Sir Gene 0:24

Hey, Ben. How are you?

Dude Ben 0:26

Hey Gene. I'm a little sunburnt.

Sir Gene 0:29

You're a little sunburned and my feet are a little sore.

Dude Ben 0:32

Yeah. I forgot Sreed yesterday and that was a bad move.

Sir Gene 0:38

Yeah, so yesterday you and I actually got together in person

Dude Ben 0:43

We did, we did. Rare, rare, rare occurrence.

Sir Gene 0:47

think the last time was about six months ago

Dude Ben 0:49

Yeah. And it's been a

Sir Gene 0:50

when I was getting rabbits.

Dude Ben 0:52

Yes, sir.

Sir Gene 0:53

We got together at the Trump rally, got some photos, some videos.

Dude Ben 0:58

Yeah. The man made a grand entrance, that's for sure.

Sir Gene 1:02

It is pretty cool to fly your own airplane into an airport you just rented.

Dude Ben 1:08

Well, and not only that, but the fact that he was allowed to circle and buzz the crowd,

Sir Gene 1:14

I know

Dude Ben 1:15

you know, I mean, it's impressive. You gotta give him that. That's impressive.

Sir Gene 1:19

no purpose other than being impressive.

Dude Ben 1:21

Yeah. Other than

Sir Gene 1:24

Mm-hmm. well, and I think people were happy, although clearly everybody was pretty damn tired of standing. That's the, the complaint there for me. Well, two major complaints. One, the biggest complaint was the situation with two hour long lines to get drinks or food, which didn't really get any food. Just get some drinks. But the other one was they didn't let you actually bring your chairs in to be able to sit there.

Dude Ben 1:52

yeah, let, let's back up a little bit because you and I had two very different experiences. I left much earlier and got there earlier than you did and was in line for hours. Secret service, I had forgotten to take my pocket knife out, so I had to stash it somewhere and I, I luckily got it back, but Secret Service went through them. All that you show up and you just kinda ran through the line.

Sir Gene 2:18

Yeah. We walked in probably about half an hour apart if that, even though I left the house like an hour and a half later,

Dude Ben 2:25

exactly. But chairs were not allowed in. You weren't allowed in to bring in any of your own water, which was problematic.

Sir Gene 2:32

bullshit. That was bullshit.

Dude Ben 2:33

Well, it, it, it was problematic because, I mean, while I was waiting on you to come in, there were several people who dropped around me, like they were older. They were in their sixties or seventies and it wasn't that bad of a day. I mean, it was under 80 degrees. It

Sir Gene 2:47

got up to

Dude Ben 2:48

high seventies. Nice breeze. 30% humidity. But that's the problem. It was 30% humidity. So if you're not used to being outside and you know you, it, it was a day to easily get dehydrated and the vulnerable people were dropping which they had medical care and were taken care of. But it was one of those things that had, people had chairs, had they been able to bring in their own water, had the lines for the water and other drinks not been an hour plus long.

Sir Gene 3:17

Yeah.

Dude Ben 3:18

You know, and by the way, they had this us on the tarmac, so you've got the heat rebounding effect and everything else.

Sir Gene 3:24

And that was the other question cuz a lot of people were asking, why aren't we on the grass?

Dude Ben 3:28

Yes.

Sir Gene 3:29

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I agree with all that.

Dude Ben 3:34

I I'm glad I got there early and I'm happy for my sunburn, which only my face is really burned. I'm like, my arms, my legs fine. My

Sir Gene 3:42

Now, if y'all want to imagine what Ben looks like right now, just watch a South Park any episode that has PC principle in it because PC principle has a certain suntan on his face. And that's exactly the suntan.

Dude Ben 3:58

yesterday

Sir Gene 3:59

You were wearing, you were wearing very very bro sunglasses.

Dude Ben 4:04

bro. Sunglasses. Really?

Sir Gene 4:06

Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 4:07

How are Maui gems, bro? Sunglasses. I.

Sir Gene 4:11

the, the tan line that they left is right out of South Park. That's all I can

Dude Ben 4:16

Thanks, gene.

Sir Gene 4:17

mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 4:18

Anyway, I got to talk to a bunch of different people in the line and you know, we, it was, it was a good thing. By the time Gene showed up, I had already made a few new friends and interestingly

Sir Gene 4:29

buy new friends

Dude Ben 4:31

I'm sorry

Sir Gene 4:31

and I had to buy new friends,

Dude Ben 4:33

you did, but you know, it, it, it was appreciated by everybody. So Gene shows up and went to the drink line that I refused to go to and shows up with a case of lemon chills and starts handing'em out. And he, he was needless to say, very popular after that. But it, it was interesting cause I kept asking people, so who do you want for vice president? Who do you want for president? Who else would you vote for? And

Sir Gene 4:56

a glowy question at all,

Dude Ben 4:58

why? Why is that a glowy

Sir Gene 5:00

because they're trying to assess things.

Dude Ben 5:02

Oh, no, no, no. It's just me wanting content for the show. But it's interesting because everyone said DeSantis is who else they would vote for. But here's the thing I said, oh, so would you vote, ever vote for him over Trump? No, never.

Sir Gene 5:17

Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 5:18

You know, it's if something happened to Trump and Trump wasn't there, fine. DeSantis, but no, no, no, no. Trump's the guy.

Sir Gene 5:26

So this brings an interesting problem, I think or potential problem for people which. As Trump starts to ratchet up the attacks on Desant, which he's, you know, doing, but not that bad

Dude Ben 5:42

One of the first things he talked about yesterday

Sir Gene 5:44

But he's gonna definitely ratchet him up.

Dude Ben 5:47

and to, to be clear that the attack he had on DeSantis yesterday was really not so much an attack. More like him saying that he felt that DeSantis was disloyal.

Sir Gene 6:00

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which, what the fuck's that supposed to be. You're running against people for an office. Of course. There's not gonna be loyalty in other people running against you.

Dude Ben 6:11

Yeah. Trump has his own thoughts on

Sir Gene 6:13

Mm-hmm. Anyway. Here's the danger, I think is, let's say that Trump manages to do the same thing he did the first time that he won and really kind of pushed the rest of the candidates. And I don't even know who else other than DeSantis is gonna be in the, in the mix. Oh, I guess that Indian guy is Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who actually, I like what he has to say,

Dude Ben 6:36

Oh, he's gonna be a great cabinet

Sir Gene 6:38

he just unqualified right now. Yeah.

Dude Ben 6:40

I, I won't say he's unqualified. He is as qualified as Trump was in 2016. Yes.

Sir Gene 6:46

No, I don't think so. He's half the age of Trump.

Dude Ben 6:49

Yes, but he's also run several businesses, done several things and,

Sir Gene 6:53

Yes, but not enough. Is he a billion?

Dude Ben 6:55

A hundred, a hundred millionaire.

Sir Gene 6:57

that's not enough. So

Dude Ben 6:59

But Ramaswami has a lot of, I mean, he is extremely libertarian in lots of

Sir Gene 7:08

Yeah, he, he is,

Dude Ben 7:10

policies and what he's saying is brilliant.

Sir Gene 7:11

he's gonna lose the Pakistani vote.

Dude Ben 7:15

such a big, such a big contingent

Sir Gene 7:17

at one yesterday.

Dude Ben 7:18

yes we were. It was great food. I would recommend anyone listening go and watch either the Peterson interview or the Glen Beck interview. Both are fantastic.

Sir Gene 7:27

they're, they're good. I,

Dude Ben 7:28

is great.

Sir Gene 7:29

I like Ramas shorty. I like what he has to say, but I just feel like he needs more, more experience before he should can run for that size

Dude Ben 7:38

I mean, I mean, it doesn't matter at this point. Trump is going to win the Republican nomination.

Sir Gene 7:42

Well, maybe not. So there's a few things that could happen, and this is a point I was getting to, is that if Trump is doing well and he pushes other people out of the way, and, and he does that by kind of throwing him in the mud to make them less desirable and then Trump has a card tech, and now who's gonna run? Are we gonna do the same thing the Democrats did and take a guy that's gonna be in the hospital and keep him on the ticket and hope that he gets better? Or are we going to vote for somebody that's healthier? And if we are, after all the mud slinging, the Democrats are gonna have an easier time defeating that candidate.

Dude Ben 8:31

All right. Well,

Sir Gene 8:33

Now, I'm not saying this is what I believe. I'm saying this is a potential theory.

Dude Ben 8:38

I, I don't think that that's something to necessarily worry about.

Sir Gene 8:42

Statistically, Trump is more likely than not to have a medical issue at some point, either before or during the first year of being in office. If he were in office.

Dude Ben 8:52

why is

Sir Gene 8:52

at the, because if you look at the age of people of his age, over half of them are dead right now. And the ones that aren't dead are at a high risk for medical things.

Dude Ben 9:03

All right. So this is one of those things that you gotta give Trump credit for. The, the guy is actually for someone his age in pretty damn good shape. People call him fat. People say lots of things, but after a certain age, being a little fluffy is actually a good thing because it means if you do get sick, if something happens, you're more likely to be able to rebound. Being skinny and old is not a

Sir Gene 9:28

Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 9:31

but he's. In good shape. He does exercise, you know, you know, someone yelled, Trump works out yesterday, and I was like, yeah, golf swings. You know, that is actually pretty significant. He's very, I mean, that's stretching, that's limber, that's lots of things.

Sir Gene 9:51

how old was the queen when she died? 120.

Dude Ben 9:55

Something like that. Yeah. Why?

Sir Gene 9:59

Well, I mean,

Dude Ben 10:01

Well, do

Sir Gene 10:01

true for Biden too, right? It's, it's just

Dude Ben 10:04

the

Sir Gene 10:05

start Yeah. When you start getting up there in, into your eighties. Whose 96?

Dude Ben 10:13

He, she was 96.

Sir Gene 10:15

She was 96. Interesting. Trump's dad, Fred also died at 96.

Dude Ben 10:20

Yeah.

Sir Gene 10:21

So who's the lizard now?

Dude Ben 10:23

Well, I, you know, I think Trump has plenty of vigor left in him. He showed it yesterday in lots of ways. Now, you pointed out towards the end of his speech, he started, you know, losing a little energy.

Sir Gene 10:36

And I,

Dude Ben 10:36

back and I went back and watched the Cpan

Sir Gene 10:39

mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 10:40

video, and I, it wasn't as obvious to me on the CSPAN video,

Sir Gene 10:46

But you were there

Dude Ben 10:47

right, right, right. Wait. But I think that was more, so I, one, one of the things that happened was because Trump was an hour, we were on hot tarmac. People had been there. I

Sir Gene 10:59

All day.

Dude Ben 11:00

Literally the news, Waco News said people were showing up at 6:00 AM for this. Right?

Sir Gene 11:05

God.

Dude Ben 11:06

So those are the hardcore, the hardcore man. You know, people had been there all day. So about, I'd say about 30 minutes into his speech some of the older people started to leave about an hour, hour and 20 into his speech. People started to file out in earnest. And this was a two hour speech. Even Gene and I left a little early cuz we're like, well, traffic. And, you know, and I, I think the perception we had leaving was based off of what we saw. But just watching the video where you don't see people leaving the CSPAN stuff just shows the him and the people behind him.

Sir Gene 11:43

Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 11:44

Which we were not behind him. We were behind the cameras, which the vast, vast majority of the

Sir Gene 11:50

right next to the cameras.

Dude Ben 11:51

Yes. I, I think that was, that was a trick of that perception because we saw people leaving and that's, Hey, that's just my opinion.

Sir Gene 12:00

Could be.

Dude Ben 12:01

I'd encourage you to re-listen to his speech because I, I caught

Sir Gene 12:04

yeah, I definitely I'm planning on doing that for sure because

Dude Ben 12:08

We should talk about January 6th.

Sir Gene 12:11

yeah. Well,

Dude Ben 12:12

Holy shit. Did he lead into

Sir Gene 12:14

He did lead into it and I sent you the copy of the video too. I

Dude Ben 12:17

Yeah. I actually had sent it to you right before you sent it to me. We sent it, right? It's about the same time

Sir Gene 12:23

too funny. Great. Mindy alike.

Dude Ben 12:26

Exactly.

Sir Gene 12:26

But he, I think they played the video as the plane was pulling up or right after they opened the door to the plane. So it was basically the,

Dude Ben 12:37

No, it was right after he took the stage. So he walked on stage to I'm proud

Sir Gene 12:42

still in line to get the, the water at that point.

Dude Ben 12:45

Yeah, he, he walked on stage he declaimed and walked onto stage to, I'm proud to be an American. And then immediately went into this video, which is freedom or justice for all by the January 6th choir.

Sir Gene 13:00

prison choir.

Dude Ben 13:01

choir. Yes. And everyone should go to YouTube and look up this video because holy shit

Sir Gene 13:07

Yeah. We'll, we'll I'll take a link into the podcast notes as well. But yeah, it's it's a definite departure from what we've seen from Trump in the past, kinda distancing himself from Jan six and really falling back on the old line of, you know, I did not tell people to go into that building. In this video. It is basically a video of the January 6th events. Yeah. And including a shot of Ashley Babbage getting shot,

Dude Ben 13:34

Yep. And this was on the

Sir Gene 13:36

holy.

Dude Ben 13:37

in front of the crowd?

Sir Gene 13:37

For the, for the, you know, huge what I estimate. Oh, did they say, I wonder if they said how big the crowd was. I kinda estimated at about 12,000 people.

Dude Ben 13:48

Yeah. The official estimate I saw was around 15.

Sir Gene 13:52

Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 13:54

So it, it was a decent size

Sir Gene 13:56

event even, because I know that was the pre-event estimate,

Dude Ben 13:58

The pre-event was 17.

Sir Gene 14:00

Oh, okay. Yeah. So good size crowds you know, just not enough food trucks with water. It was about a thousand people per food truck,

Dude Ben 14:10

Yeah. So the, the problem there was apparently they had invited a bunch and I validated this with news sources and then a bunch of the food trucks decided to back out, which I don't know why they would do that, because every food truck that was there made bank.

Sir Gene 14:25

insane amount of money. Yeah, so I heard a similar story with the twist of that. What happened was when they, they were getting bids for food trucks. They had a whole bunch of'em that basically lowballed them because they, they were doing this strictly to fuck with Trump. And so, they had no intention of ever coming out. And so there was a, a contingency of food trucks that were supposed to be there that were never intending on showing up. And so what they had left was. Whatever they could scramble that morning. And I guess whoever got in there with their original bids that was not part of that whole cabal.

Dude Ben 15:30

Now, why the hell would there need to be a bid?

Sir Gene 15:35

Oh, well you think the event doesn't make money off the food trucks? No. You

Dude Ben 15:40

okay. I I, I was, I was reading it the other way, like the event was paying

Sir Gene 15:45

No, no, no, no, no. The way it usually works is you'll, you'll have like, we have 12 places for food here, so we're gonna charge you know, a minimum of 4,000 bucks per truck to allow you guys to be here. And then whoever the top 12 bidders are above 4,000 bucks will get that. So I guess they were high bids, not low bids, but whatever it is there. The, the story I heard, which again, who the hell knows cuz I was standing in line while people were talking about this was that they had at least half the trucks just cancel at the same exact time in the morning.

Dude Ben 16:25

Hmm. That, that's surprising for McClean County because McClean County is the reddest of the

Sir Gene 16:30

They, they were likely coming from Dallas

Dude Ben 16:33

Yeah,

Sir Gene 16:34

or, or you know, other cities or Austin for that matter. I know that, you know, Austin's got a shit ton of food trucks. It's one thing that the liberal culture always seems to drag with it is you know, Seattle and San Francisco lifestyle.

Dude Ben 16:47

So let's get back to the January 6th video.

Sir Gene 16:49

Yeah.

Dude Ben 16:51

I don't know how he got the food trucks from there,

Sir Gene 16:52

Well, cuz I, I don't know. I was hungry. Maybe. Go ahead.

Dude Ben 16:56

No. I mean, this, this, so it's a song that has hit number one on Apple

Sir Gene 17:03

kidding.

Dude Ben 17:04

No, no. It absolutely has. Google

Sir Gene 17:06

shit.

Dude Ben 17:06

They released it two weeks ago. No one has really seen, I hadn't seen it or anything, but it has hit the top of the charts. And it's,

Sir Gene 17:14

Oh, that sucks. For Tim Pool. He just released his new song.

Dude Ben 17:18

well, temple Song sucks, but yeah.

Sir Gene 17:20

Oh. They all suck, but I still by'em.

Dude Ben 17:23

Good for you. You're, you are a true fan boy. I am not. But this, the song itself is, eh, okay. But the video man, Like you said, Ashley Babbitt getting shot on the

Sir Gene 17:37

Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 17:38

leaning very hard

Sir Gene 17:39

I mean, that is what the kids like, they like watching those rap tunes with actual shootings on'em.

Dude Ben 17:44

yeah. The, I mean, but the, the, the, the title of this song is Justice for All and it's very much leaning into the idea that January 6th is not being prosecuted fairly. And that is one of the things Trump, LA laid into very early on in the speech.

Sir Gene 18:02

Which is great because I, I think that is a, a smart move for his handlers to push'em towards rather than trying to backway. There's there's another thing there, which is he did not, and you know, I haven't re-watched it. Some you tell me, maybe I missed it, but he did not mention Covid at all.

Dude Ben 18:23

He, he did not, not that I, well, and when I rewatched, this was between 11 and 1:00 AM last night after I got home, so I may have missed something.

Sir Gene 18:34

But I don't think he did. I didn't hear him say that.

Dude Ben 18:37

No, but he did apologize and say he made mistakes on who he trusted and hired and that now he knows better and would

Sir Gene 18:45

Well, that's just a fact. I mean, he just sucks in hiring.

Dude Ben 18:49

N n I don't know that he sucks at hiring. I think he

Sir Gene 18:52

Why do you think he got so much experience firing people? Cuz he sucks in.

Dude Ben 18:57

Well, fair enough. But anyway, he, he made some good campaign promises. He addressed a lot of the concerns. He laid out his 10 point plan that he is talked about very well. You know, he's talked about term limits for Congress. He's talked about term limits for the deep state. So basically bureaucrats only have eight years. Basically everybody only has eight years. If you're gonna work in the federal government, you have eight years.

Sir Gene 19:25

Yeah. Which I love that idea. I've been saying that for a long time, that we need term limits on both politicians and bureaucrats.

Dude Ben 19:34

Yes. He's also talked about using Title F to absolutely gut the federal government, which I love. You know, lots and lots of good things there. The the only real weakness I saw in the speech from a, okay, I don't really care, I don't want to hear this, was Theis jab. I mean, that was a weak ass story told in, and, you know, two wandering and everything else.

Sir Gene 20:01

So I thought he called DeSantis a crack user. Apparently.

Dude Ben 20:06

that was about

Sir Gene 20:07

So somebody told me that no, it wasn't about Hunter, it was about some other associated defense.

Dude Ben 20:13

Oh

Sir Gene 20:14

that,

Dude Ben 20:15

Hmm. No, it was about the guy DeSantis beat.

Sir Gene 20:19

yes, that's what, that's what it was. Yeah. The guy sent

Dude Ben 20:21

I'm, I'm, I'm, he also talked about Hunter using crack in the speech. That's why I was confused.

Sir Gene 20:26

Oh, okay. Yeah. I didn't hear that at all actually. But,

Dude Ben 20:30

The laptop from hell,

Sir Gene 20:31

but I thought he did say dissent. This was a crack. And I thought, well, that might be going too far now, But no, it was all good. I think I think he did a,

Dude Ben 20:40

of the dirt he has on DeSantis it, why he, so everybody gives Trump crap about Des Sanctimonious. What kind of nickname is that? Well, it kind of turns out that some of the dirt that Trump has on DeSantis and the way he acts in public, that makes a little more sense.

Sir Gene 20:59

What does that even mean?

Dude Ben 21:01

Just some sex stuff, man. And Ron presents himself as standing by his wife and everything else. And

Sir Gene 21:09

the guy that is getting indicted for sex stuff, has sex stuff on another politician who he is running against for president.

Dude Ben 21:19

It's hilarious. Which, by the way, we had a great theory yesterday. We were, we were hoping Trump would get perp walked.

Sir Gene 21:26

Oh, yeah. If he got perp walked at that event, holy shit. Would that have been awesome?

Dude Ben 21:31

Well, l let's be clear, there would've been violence

Sir Gene 21:37

From the old people.

Dude Ben 21:39

from the crowd. Yeah. Well, and there weren't, there wasn't just old people there, there was,

Sir Gene 21:43

notice, I don't know if you noticed this, there was almost no Gen Xers at this event. It was mostly, I'd say boomers. And then the second biggest group was millennials

Dude Ben 21:56

and Gen Z and Jen Alpha.

Sir Gene 21:59

holy shit, there was no Gen Xers. I felt like, you know, like where did all my peeps go?

Dude Ben 22:05

Right. But there were, I mean, I was surrounded by a lot of people my age.

Sir Gene 22:10

Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 22:11

I mean, there,

Sir Gene 22:12

what I was surprised by. Cuz it was a, I just, I typically don't, don't associate millennials with politics.

Dude Ben 22:22

well there were, millennials were probably the biggest segment there too.

Sir Gene 22:27

I think, I think the boomers were the biggest thing, honestly.

Dude Ben 22:30

I don't know. There were a lot of kids. And, and when I say kids, I mean there were literally infants and little kids and teenagers and, and there were, there was every race, color, creed there too.

Sir Gene 22:42

Yeah. There was a black dude with dreadlocks and then orange jumpsuit. That was pretty funny.

Dude Ben 22:47

Yeah. And he kept yelling out. Joe Biden said, I'm not black. If I don't want for him, fuck him. Okay.

Sir Gene 22:55

Yeah, no, there's, there's definitely all kinds of folks there.

Dude Ben 22:59

Oh, there, there's some crazy people. We got we got a picture with the guy with the ultra mega hat. That was

Sir Gene 23:04

Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 23:05

Yeah. We, we gotta ask for our picture a

Sir Gene 23:07

there, there's a lot of costumes. There's a lot of a lot of people dressed up for sure. And oh my God, the cars. So by the time you and I came back to my car, a lot of the fun cars were gone. But where I parked, which was in, I think the area, the people I got there, like, way earlier than me

Dude Ben 23:26

I don't know how you got lucky

Sir Gene 23:27

I

Dude Ben 23:28

when I got there, cops were already directing

Sir Gene 23:30

you couldn't even park in the area.

Dude Ben 23:32

away and had to hike you. You were right up there.

Sir Gene 23:35

Yeah. No. It was great. It was, I, I, I got there, got a spot that was maybe, I don't know, quarter mile or less, and then walked right through the v i p line. So it turned out really good. But

Dude Ben 23:49

Yeah.

Sir Gene 23:49

the, in the

Dude Ben 23:51

I actually stand in line. You, you know, just walk right in.

Sir Gene 23:54

I just walked around them. Or, or like yesterday. Well, I driving you back to your car, like up cop car, drive on the grass, drive around the cop car, get back on the road. do it again. Then finally get to an, oh, there's a cop blocking the turn to go to where your car is. So let's pull up next to him. You open your window. And as soon as I hear from you, oh, it's empty. I'm like, all right. Right turn, yeah. Go around the cop car to where they're blocking the, the road. That's the way to do it.

Dude Ben 24:22

Yep.

Sir Gene 24:22

But yeah, it was a it was worth coming out. It was a, a fun Saturday. Good to see you in person, obviously. Interesting to listen to the speech. And just to see kind of, what, what the actual event looks like versus what you hear about these things in the news.

Dude Ben 24:41

Yeah. And to be clear, this is my second Trump rally. I went to one in Dallas the last go round. And the one in Dallas was at the American Airline Center, which holds like 25,000 people. And literally my parents were with me and we got cut off. There were like two people in front of us when they said no more. And so we had to stand outside, which the, anyone who knows the American Airline Center in Dallas, there were jumbotrons on all four sides of the entrances. And they put the speech on outside and in our little area on one fourth of the outside of the American Airline Center, There were easily 5,000 plus people who stayed and watched the speech outside, including us. That was a, a amazing, I mean, it was an amazing event in Dallas, four above and away. What

Sir Gene 25:37

And that was 2016.

Dude Ben 25:38

No, this was 2019,

Sir Gene 25:40

Okay.

Dude Ben 25:42

leading up to 2020. Yeah,

Sir Gene 25:44

yeah. He didn't, no, Trump didn't exactly say that he won the last election, even though a lot of people had signs to that or t-shirts or cars. But yeah, that's the lots of painted cars with Trump stuff.

Dude Ben 25:57

he

Sir Gene 25:58

he kinda alluded to it though by talking about, you know, things that are indisputable. Like he got more votes than any pre sitting president in the history of the country. And he talked about the he didn't call it voter tampering. He called it election something.

Dude Ben 26:17

rigging,

Sir Gene 26:18

Rigging maybe. Yeah. But definitely talked about how

Dude Ben 26:23

talked about ballot harvesting

Sir Gene 26:25

He said we have to do ballot harvesting. Now, some states forbid it, and it's great, and, but in the states that allow it, we have to do it.

Dude Ben 26:33

Well, what he said was, it's wrong, it shouldn't happen. But until we can get those states to change those laws, we have to do it. And which I think is absolutely the correct tack to take because the Democrats are certainly going to do it. And you know, until you can get those laws changed in some states like California and New York, that's never going to happen. But until you can get those laws changed, you have to follow through with it.

Sir Gene 27:02

So here's my idea for voting. So some people really like the one day voting, and I, I, in principle do, but I, I also recognize that in high density populated centers, it's really hard to do that cuz even in a, you know, a smaller city that I live in here in Austin, like, last time I voted I had to stand in,

Dude Ben 27:23

not a small

Sir Gene 27:24

well, small-ish, but I had to stand in line for over two hours to vote,

Dude Ben 27:32

who.

Sir Gene 27:33

which is ridiculous cause most people that were, you know, behind me just left. They didn't bother voting. So my concept is this, you can vote anytime up to a year before the election. The only difference is if you vote on election day, your votes are secret. If you vote before election day, your votes are public.

Dude Ben 27:56

So I disagree

Sir Gene 27:58

you're basically publishing your vote, your well. Okay, so you're going full on? I was going halfway there. I'm still letting people keep the secret ballot for the actual election day

Dude Ben 28:09

No. So here, here, here's how we can make the non-sec ballot work. It's pseudo anonymous, meaning that you have a number assigned to you, your voter registration number, whatever it is,

Sir Gene 28:23

social security number. Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 28:25

Okay. Whatever. Something most people aren't going to know and be able to go, ah, that's Ben Sterling, you know, or that's Gina Tuev and

Sir Gene 28:34

them. I don't have one.

Dude Ben 28:36

I'm sorry okay. G does not have a social security number. Interesting.

Sir Gene 28:41

Go ahead.

Dude Ben 28:42

Yeah. You know, I really actually struggled with getting my kids social security numbers. Like it's something that

Sir Gene 28:49

kids didn't use sun. Need them. Back in my day, kids didn't have social security numbers.

Dude Ben 28:53

Yeah. It, it, it was definitely something hard on me to do that, but that's a different story for a different time. But anyway,

Sir Gene 29:01

the part where you tattoo it on the back of their heads.

Dude Ben 29:03

yeah. Anyway taking the, Whatever number and saying Equality 1, 2 34 voted this way so that you could go online and verify your vote, and everyone could see a record of how each in every individual voted. And, you know, if someone voted a way that they, you know, if the record it, it would be a level of transparency that we otherwise would not have.

Sir Gene 29:36

Yeah. And I, I get the idea of, of doing it secretly is to prevent voter intimidation. Like for example, you wanna avoid having your company announce that they're gonna be reviewing everyone's votes. And everyone who didn't vote for the candidates that the company wanted them to vote for can pack up their shit and be done on Monday.

Dude Ben 30:00

Yes.

Sir Gene 30:01

And that is a problem. I suppose. That could definitely happen. We'd have a lot of VO woke companies out there that would absolutely fire people if they found out how they voted. But maybe the way to deal with that is by allowing lawsuits.

Dude Ben 30:17

Well, so, and forgive me, I've got little horse from yesterday. You know, again, if you had something pseudo anonymous where it's not easily tied to the individual, and this is why I wouldn't use the social

Sir Gene 30:29

But, but companies have huge resources that would not be of an issue for companies to tie things. In fact, fuck dude, Google would sell that.

Dude Ben 30:40

okay? So not necessarily, because again, you could have a number that is purely independent that you could even, it's a reissue every year. Okay? You're going to vote. Here's your number, here's your receipt. And it's random. You have to hold onto this physical

Sir Gene 30:58

Be a hash code.

Dude Ben 30:59

Sure. Whatever it, it is not tied to your identity at all. But here's your receipt. You can check online later how you voted. No one's gonna be able to tie that to you.

Sir Gene 31:10

somebody will, but it's worth it. My point is it would be worth it.

Dude Ben 31:15

yeah. Okay. So you could even do sequential numbering at each polling station. So polling station X, Y, Z in your local municipality here, your voter number, blah. You can check your vote online later by going to da, da da da da. Here's your receipt.

Sir Gene 31:31

Yeah.

Dude Ben 31:32

No personal information tied to you,

Sir Gene 31:34

Well, even, let's start with the receipt. would be great. If they give you a fucking receipt,

Dude Ben 31:41

Yeah.

Sir Gene 31:43

that would be something. Because right now with having anonymous votes combined with unscrupulous people effectively means you're very, very likely to have within all the votes, votes that are not from actual voters.

Dude Ben 32:04

Yeah.

Sir Gene 32:07

And that's, that's a problem. There's also, I think, a disconnect here between the vote, what the federal government historically has referred to or seen as election, and what some states have stretched the definition to mean, which I think in Washington state, you literally have 365 days to vote,

Dude Ben 32:29

Well, and, and this people will raise a constitutional question on the the states having rights to determine elections. And I think the states largely do, and I think the federal government should defer to the states and to determine how they wanna run their elections. That said, one of the provisions in the Constitution that is often overlooked is that the federal government must ensure that each state has a Republican form of government.

Sir Gene 33:00

right?

Dude Ben 33:01

And without a secure vote, how can you have.

Sir Gene 33:05

Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 33:06

Which, by the way, voting was definitely something on Trump's list to by the end of his term, have all elections be paper ballots. And day of

Sir Gene 33:16

yeah, that's a throwaway line. He can't, he can't, has no power to do that. So it's kind of a throwaway.

Dude Ben 33:23

Again, I would refer you to the Republican form of government.

Sir Gene 33:27

No, it wouldn't happen.

Dude Ben 33:28

DHS wants to centralize elections. There's a big push to centralize

Sir Gene 33:32

may want things, but the lawsuits will come from states even faster than they have for the

Dude Ben 33:38

and I, and, and good. But I, I do think if we have an it, it could even be so much. It, it could be, Hey, we're going to put a line item in the budget to set up these new machines. Instead of doing your digital voting machines, do these Scantron machines or something like that, which the Scantron machines are to me the best way to freaking go

Sir Gene 34:01

No. The best way is what we talked about yesterday,

Dude Ben 34:04

which is,

Sir Gene 34:05

a blank sheet.

Dude Ben 34:06

Well, yes. Short of that

Sir Gene 34:08

Well tell people what that is.

Dude Ben 34:10

so Gene's idea is you have to type in the name of the candidate for each position that you want to vote for. And if you misspell it, fuck.

Sir Gene 34:18

Yeah. Damn straight. This, this whole idea of like, well, what if I make a mistake? Well, I guess you didn't really wanna vote that badly, did you? I mean, what, how pathetically ified are Americans that you can't remember the name of the person that you would like to make huge changes to the government in your. I don't think anybody in Russia doesn't know how to spell Putin

Dude Ben 34:47

Okay.

Sir Gene 34:47

It helps that he's been president for 20 years, but still, know, it's It is, it is ridiculous of an excuse to say that. Well, we can't do that. We can't

Dude Ben 34:59

You know, it, it, it's interesting that you take this tact when you would obviously never get elected ever based off of your last name, nor would

Sir Gene 35:08

know. I have, I have no

Dude Ben 35:10

would misspell my name all the time.

Sir Gene 35:12

Yeah, yeah. But that's fine. But then, you know, you would have,

Dude Ben 35:16

you know, my podcast

Sir Gene 35:17

and if you were a politician, there's nothing to stop you from changing your name to Smith. You know, go for something nice and easy. If I, I thought once, when I was young, I thought about changing my last name to make it a little longer. As a kind of a response to my mom made it shorter, so I thought, well, I have to take the letters she threw away and then utilize them to

Dude Ben 35:37

So, what was your original last name?

Sir Gene 35:40

Well, mine, no, I haven't changed anything. Mine last name is still enough, Toya. But she chopped it up and just did Naft

Dude Ben 35:47

Huh? Okay.

Sir Gene 35:48

cuz she got tired of spelling it for people. And I was gonna do Nef, Tussen

Dude Ben 35:57

Hmm.

Sir Gene 35:57

just add an s e n in.

Dude Ben 36:01

Well, already,

Sir Gene 36:02

make it, you know, Norse,

Dude Ben 36:06

yes.

Sir Gene 36:08

but I was living in the land of permanent snow back then.

Dude Ben 36:11

Yeah. You were in an area where a lot of Norseman

Sir Gene 36:15

Mm-hmm. back in the day. Not so much these days. Mostly Somalis and, you know, that's who represents the state.

Dude Ben 36:24

Yeah. So dinner last night was interesting cuz we ate Pakistani food.

Sir Gene 36:29

Dinner was great, man. Holy shit. I, I slept like a log.

Dude Ben 36:34

Yeah. First time I've had beef tin dury

Sir Gene 36:37

Yeah, exactly. And it was very good. The chicken was even better though.

Dude Ben 36:41

Yes. The, the chicken was the star of the show, although what did we have as an appetizer? Those beef things were good.

Sir Gene 36:46

We had the a samosa with, yeah, with b ground beef in them, which again, you don't get an Indian restaurants for obvious reasons.

Dude Ben 36:55

Yeah.

Sir Gene 36:56

Very good.

Dude Ben 36:56

the menu.

Sir Gene 36:57

Yeah, no pork. I, I really enjoyed the food. I thought it was, if I lived in Waco, I would likely eat there a couple times a month minimum.

Dude Ben 37:06

Yeah.

Sir Gene 37:09

That was a good good random lucky pick and crazy thing, I ran into a guy from Austin in a restaurant,

Dude Ben 37:17

Yeah. That was funny.

Sir Gene 37:18

which I don't know what the odds of.

Dude Ben 37:20

that guy.

Sir Gene 37:21

He is another bald guy with a beard. So we all kind of keep track of each other. Yeah. So it was quite quite interesting to, of run into somebody that, you know, I, I typically would see here at the Wizard Academy. Yes. Bald guys with beards. We all meet up at the Wizard Academy means nothing. Nothing at all. Nothing to see here.

Dude Ben 37:42

Uhhuh.

Sir Gene 37:42

But he's actually the chancellor of the Wizard Academy. So yeah, it was that was, that was an added extra bonus. But the food was fantastic. The, the only thing I'd say is there were a couple of dishes that were like, not salted at all, but you know, that that could be a, something that they got used to doing from people asking'em to, to not put any salt in or just somebody complaining about too much salt. And they're like, okay, let people salt at the taste.

Dude Ben 38:11

Yeah. So what else is going on? Paris is burning.

Sir Gene 38:16

Oh yeah, Perry, you wanna go to Paris or Mcbe? Okay.

Dude Ben 38:19

Where, where do you wanna go?

Sir Gene 38:20

I don't care. Yeah. Paris, I, I posted a great video of Parisian Bistro setting up tables and having people sitting there and eating and drinking as literally Paris is burning in the background.

Dude Ben 38:33

yep.

Sir Gene 38:35

I mean, I'm really looking forward to this revolution in, in France with the guild teens coming out and everything.

Dude Ben 38:41

dude, they, the, the, the French are pissed.

Sir Gene 38:45

That is literally their chant, you know, if they're in, in French, obviously, because they don't like other languages, is they're, they're chanting that something, something, something guilty. And I mean, you, what would happen to an American that started chanting something about executing the president of the country?

Dude Ben 39:05

They would

Sir Gene 39:05

fast would you be locked up?

Dude Ben 39:07

at, at the very least. Well, and you wouldn't be locked up cuz we do have the first Amendment, but at the very least, the Secret Service would definitely question you.

Sir Gene 39:16

Yeah. You get a nice little visit and after they shoot your dog you may stop saying whatever you're saying.

Dude Ben 39:21

Yes.

Sir Gene 39:22

Cause that, that's like the one good reason to not have pets is because pets will always be executed. Whenever there's a SWAT team coming to your house that's standard operating procedure. You kill all the pets, let people know you're serious. Well, tell me I'm wrong.

Dude Ben 39:37

Sadly, no.

Sir Gene 39:38

Mm-hmm. so,

Dude Ben 39:41

Which again, you know, I, here, here's the thing. I am not, and I don't think you are either necessarily anti-cop in any way, shape, or form.

Sir Gene 39:54

I'm totally handicap.

Dude Ben 39:56

Well, no, no, no, no. We're anti bad cop.

Sir Gene 39:59

Oh yeah. You know, I'm not against good caps, it's just, there's so few of them.

Dude Ben 40:03

Exactly. That is the

Sir Gene 40:05

and I'm actually pro secret service. I told you that before. That's, that's a branch of service of the US government that's impressed me the most over the years.

Dude Ben 40:13

Yeah. F b I was not on anyone's fun list

Sir Gene 40:16

No, definitely not.

Dude Ben 40:18

and everyone was hypersensitive to the fact that it was the 30th anniversary of Waco.

Sir Gene 40:22

Which, you know, they should be. It was by design, I think.

Dude Ben 40:27

Yeah. Yeah.

Sir Gene 40:30

And I don't think that spot for Trump's first official campaign stop was random. And but the difference is of course, depending on which media source you read, they either talk about the anniversary of the F B I agents getting killed, which way too many of'em put it into that light. And then the, the good news sources talk about the anniversary of the F FBI massacre where they FBI massacre at a bunch of children. So, you know, not hard to see who's got a slant in what direction there.

Dude Ben 41:06

You know, Lon Hachi, the f b Sniper that was involved with Ruby Ridge was also involved in Waco.

Sir Gene 41:13

Yeah, of course.

Dude Ben 41:15

So, back to Paris Burning. Why I heard the Parisians rioting gene.

Sir Gene 41:19

Well the government is gonna be, this is my understanding could be wrong on this cuz I have not dug too deeply, but my understanding is the government is essentially saying, we're gonna raise the retirement age because we have to pay for all these migrants.

Dude Ben 41:33

Yep. So essentially the, the entire story, and the reason why the Parisians are pissed isn't necessarily my understanding is the raising of the retirement age, but the underlying reason for it.

Sir Gene 41:48

Well, I'm pretty sure they're not happy about the retirement age being raise either. They have very high taxes there.

Dude Ben 41:54

yeah, yeah, but I mean, you're talking from 62 to 64 or something like that.

Sir Gene 41:59

Yeah.

Dude Ben 42:00

Not a huge difference. I mean, my God, I I

Sir Gene 42:03

it used, it used to be 60

Dude Ben 42:05

Right, right. But the, the entire idea that the Parisians are in the French in general are having to pay for all these migrants and they are seeing austerity because of it is the problem.

Sir Gene 42:19

Yeah. And I don't understand how this is at all a surprise to anybody because when you start letting people in that. Are not coming into the country as experts that can generate revenue and you're just letting people in because of your big heart. You're shooting yourself in the foot every time you do that.

Dude Ben 42:41

Yeah. And, and if, if you just Google French protests right now and go to the image search, you see just tons of fire and, you know, police shooting, tear gas, and I mean, thi

Sir Gene 42:55

water cannons.

Dude Ben 42:56

is a cross France getting violent.

Sir Gene 43:00

Yeah, it's, it's interesting because you know, the French are somewhat unique in Europe because they're extremely nationalistic. They're very istic, if that's a word. I don't, I may have just

Dude Ben 43:16

Well, I mean, so, so is Germany though.

Sir Gene 43:20

less so, I think, I think Germany's probably as nationalistic as France, but they're less istic.

Dude Ben 43:27

You can't really do business in Germany if you don't have German speakers to do the business.

Sir Gene 43:32

No, no. They're Germans are much more likely to speak English than French people.

Dude Ben 43:37

I'm not talking about their ability to speak French. It's about whether or not they will actually hire a company to do something without a native German speaker. Impossible to fire anyone in Germany. So

Sir Gene 43:47

Well, that's very true. I know that from personal experience. Yeah. If you let somebody work for more than 364 days in your company, in Germany, they're effectively an employee until they choose to leave.

Dude Ben 43:59

Yep.

Sir Gene 44:00

until you have anything to do with it.

Dude Ben 44:03

yeah. Anyway, so yes, the French are also unique in their demographics.

Sir Gene 44:09

mm-hmm. in what way?

Dude Ben 44:12

They exist. So the French are probably the most demographically stable country in Europe. They have still a pyramidal structure for the demography versus Germany is very much inverted and everywhere else. Yeah, you know, Lang like Germany is, Germany is dying right

Sir Gene 44:30

Yeah. Oh yeah.

Dude Ben 44:31

is de industrializing faster than. Anyone ever thought would be even possible.

Sir Gene 44:37

Oh, I thought it was totally possible. I talked about it.

Dude Ben 44:41

well, I mean, we've talked about it, but dude, B a s F Volkswagen, Volkswagen, more Volkswagens will be produced in America than

Sir Gene 44:50

Mercedes are already produced in America.

Dude Ben 44:53

Yeah.

Sir Gene 44:53

Yeah.

Dude Ben 44:54

It's, it it's

Sir Gene 44:56

good for us. They're keeping us afloat.

Dude Ben 44:59

Well, I, I mean, Germany is tr so Germany's strategy right now appears to be trying to mimic what Japan did with the build where you sell, model, and then ship the cash back. Right. I don't think, I don't think they have time enough to do it, and I don't think it's gonna work for

Sir Gene 45:16

No. No. And I think that it's a good idea in theory. I don't think it's great in practice. And I, I think that Japan was able to sell more cars, but the reputation of Japanese cars went down the toilet when they did that.

Dude Ben 45:32

Yeah. Well, and you

Sir Gene 45:34

And it used to be like an important, like when I had a a Subaru W X S d, I, like, I was super happy that my car was built in Japan and not in the us. When I had a, a bmw M two, same thing. I was very happy that my car, unlike a lot of other Beamers, was actually shipped built in Germany and then shipped over. There was a certain expectation of higher quality for both Japan and Germany that existed. And I think it was a not just, you know, a reputation based on good marketing. I think it was a reputation based on actual execution like car manufacturing and other types of manufac. In those two countries, both very nationalistic, both part of the axis in World War ii was of a higher quality than products built in the us. And I think it is in a lot of ways cultural, like in the US we don't have the same attitude towards shoddy workmanship. It's not personally offensive the way that it is in Germany and Japan at least of yesterday year. Maybe not as much these days.

Dude Ben 46:43

I don't know. I think US products are pretty damn

Sir Gene 46:46

No, you're just, you're just saying that cuz you're a patriot.

Dude Ben 46:50

No, no, no, no. And I, I very much mean that actually. Now US Auto I, in the seventies

Sir Gene 46:57

grow up. Yeah, exactly. You didn't grow up with a seventies Navys cars like I did

Dude Ben 47:01

Seventies, eighties and nineties, US auto was utter crap. You get into the two thousands and to today. Mm. US auto is just as good as anybody else.

Sir Gene 47:10

Well, you asked me yesterday why I drive my grand Cherokee. And not only is do I like Grand Cherokees in general, but my particular model year was exceptional because I had a, what ostensibly was a German car that was updated by Italian engineer. To be nicer.

Dude Ben 47:40

possible combination ever.

Sir Gene 47:42

the best possible combination ever

Dude Ben 47:45

Italian engineers is anathema. Dude.

Sir Gene 47:48

No Italian designers, not engineers. Designers. So, so what it is,

Dude Ben 47:53

Woo. I don't know that I trust that one.

Sir Gene 47:55

this car? Yeah. No, that's, I could see that this car was based on the Mercedes M series and it, it still used a lot of the m parts, but the entire interior as well as the refresh of the exterior body was after Fiat bottom from Mercedes. And so they, it, it's a nicer looking, much better interior version of essentially the mCLASS Mercedes. And yeah, I thought it was like, this is a perfect combo. This is, and, and mine is a diesel, which I've, I really liked diesel. I, although the prices are fucking killing me these days, but I've always loved dependability and the durability of diesel engines. Not to mention the foot pounds of torque.

Dude Ben 48:49

Yeah, depending on the engine you get. Sure.

Sir Gene 48:53

Well, not an American mile. Obviously American diesels sucked. But German diesels were

Dude Ben 48:58

bullshit. The, the, the Chevy Duramax and the Caterpillar engines are fantastic.

Sir Gene 49:05

The Caterpillar engines.

Dude Ben 49:06

Yeah, yeah.

Sir Gene 49:07

Who uses those?

Dude Ben 49:08

Dodge are Ram

Sir Gene 49:10

You mean the Cummins?

Dude Ben 49:11

Cummins. There you go. Sorry.

Sir Gene 49:13

Yeah. No, those, those do have a good reputation. But I'm not talking about work trucks. I'm not talking about like a three quarter ton,

Dude Ben 49:19

Yeah.

Sir Gene 49:20

but most American diesels

Dude Ben 49:23

fantastic.

Sir Gene 49:24

crappy. Yeah, they're, but you know, you know how much it cost, right? It's a, it's an$18,000 option.

Dude Ben 49:30

Yes,

Sir Gene 49:30

I would totally get that if I was buying a, a three quarter ton truck for sure. But they don't offer that in half ton.

Dude Ben 49:37

yes. Yeah, they do, they have halftime version.

Sir Gene 49:40

Not, not the derm or

Dude Ben 49:42

have a Silverado version.

Sir Gene 49:43

no, that's, yes, you're right. They do have a derex. No, I was thinking of the Cummings. The Cummins is not offered in half ton.

Dude Ben 49:48

Correct. Cummins is three quarter ton only, which I'm not a Dodge fan. There are plenty of reasons why I wouldn't buy a Ram, but the engine is pretty awesome. And you know, with the Duramax though, you can also get the Allison transmission, so

Sir Gene 50:04

Yeah. And those are good. But there, but the, the Germans probably more so than anybody else, have stuck with the diesel engine and, and

Dude Ben 50:16

Yes. And lying on their emissions,

Sir Gene 50:19

Well, they're stupid emissions reports. Yeah, I saw no problem with that whatsoever. It was one of the saddest days when I had to take my, my grand Cherokee in to get the the diesel retuned because that stupid deal they made.

Dude Ben 50:35

Oh, I would just wouldn't have done it.

Sir Gene 50:36

Well, they, but they give you an extra a hundred thousand miles of warranty And they wrote me a check for 2,500 bucks.

Dude Ben 50:42

I don't know that I would've done

Sir Gene 50:43

Eh, I, I, i took me a year. I thought about it for a year, and finally I did it. But

Dude Ben 50:48

because I mean, the money you're gonna save in mileage.

Sir Gene 50:52

yeah, so here's my experience with it is after the detuning that they did I lost about two miles per gallon,

Dude Ben 51:01

Yeah, that's significant.

Sir Gene 51:02

they changed the torque curve. So it it seemed to have more low end oomph, but gave worse mileage. And the high end power seemed to be about the same as it always was, but you generally don't run the diesels at higher RPMs anyway. So all said and done, it definitely screwed with the mileage by about two miles. There's no two ways about that. They did release. I think maybe three years ago, or maybe two years ago, they released a new version of the diesel engine that I have, which brought the demo mileage back to where it was and also added like another 45 or 50 horsepower and, or not horsepower foot toque to it. But I'm, I mean, this engine will run for at least a couple hundred thousand miles.

Dude Ben 51:52

Well, I mean, even a gas engine should get you a couple hundred thousand miles at this point.

Sir Gene 51:58

I mean, like with no work.

Dude Ben 51:59

Me too. I mean, my truck has right at 200,000

Sir Gene 52:02

rare. That's very rare. Dude. Most, most gasoline engines are not gonna run for 200,000 miles

Dude Ben 52:08

my, my, my truck has 200,000 miles on it and 2013, huh?

Sir Gene 52:14

still in good shape.

Dude Ben 52:15

Yeah. Decent. You know, but I, Hey, I like having a paid off vehicle. I car bills and things like, you know, yes. I, I'm, I'm not a showy person, so it works

Sir Gene 52:24

Same here.

Dude Ben 52:26

And you're, you've got a lot more showing you than I do But anyway the only, the only issues I've had with my vehicle I just had to have some transmission work done because of a failing control lead that, you know, wasn't super expensive, but, you know, thousand dollars ish that had it failed earlier would've been covered in a recall, but I had too many miles, so, damn it. And then the other thing was a had a coolant leak. And this was the hardest freaking thing to figure out. This coolant leak, it was only leaking when the engine was cold.

Sir Gene 53:06

hmm.

Dude Ben 53:07

There was a oing in the the main coolant line that came from the reservoir that had compressed over time. When it heated up, it expanded enough to.

Sir Gene 53:20

mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 53:20

But when it got cold, it shrunk enough that it leaked.

Sir Gene 53:24

Hmm

Dude Ben 53:25

Uh, the dealership wanted to replace the entire hose assembly and everything else. It was gonna be like 700 bucks. I went to Napa and bought$5 worth of silicon grease and

Sir Gene 53:35

I was gonna say that's, yeah,

Dude Ben 53:37

and fixed it myself. Thank you. Yeah. But the, those are the only two major problems I've had with that vehicle. It, that, it, my F-150 has been rock solid for me. Really? Has,

Sir Gene 53:49

And I, I, I think that's the one 50, the F150 has probably been a, a, a very good example of a good American vehicle.

Dude Ben 53:58

which I grew up a Chevy guy, by the way.

Sir Gene 54:00

Yeah. Yeah, no, I, I get that. But I just really like the Italian styling of the of the Jeep and the Dodge Line. So if I was to get a truck, I would definitely get the uh, the Ram

Dude Ben 54:17

Yeah. I, I guess, I mean, the, the Rams are less expensive. They ha they, they definitely have

Sir Gene 54:23

Oh, not when you load it up,

Dude Ben 54:25

options and things like that, but, eh, no.

Sir Gene 54:28

Yeah, I think, and the Fords have a lot of those options. I just think they look worse. I like the styling, so it's not, it's not even so much

Dude Ben 54:36

Ranch is pretty awesome.

Sir Gene 54:39

Yeah, it is. But the Dodge version of their top line truck, I think just looks nicer. Like for the year that I bought my Grand Cherokee, the it's not the Laramie, it's not the top line. Top line is like, I can't remember what it is, but the, it's, it's some kind of ranch. But there, the interior on the the ram truck for that year had a two-one saddle stitching. So it was a light tan and the dark tan, or maybe a light brown, like, like a light brown and a light tan. Done in a kind of a cowboy boot style where you have three or four stitches of exactly the same shape right next to each other. And then the, all the, like, the pockets on the back of the seats were done as saddlebags.

Dude Ben 55:32

Uhhuh.

Sir Gene 55:33

It just looked really cool. And they, every year they, or I should say every few years when they update the model, they change the interior colors and styling a little bit. But in general, I really like that look, but I, like, I'm also definitely still a fan of the the Range Rovers as well.

Dude Ben 55:51

Hmm. Okay.

Sir Gene 55:51

styling,

Dude Ben 55:53

Yeah. I mean, styling, sure, but

Sir Gene 55:55

mm-hmm. Oh, it sucks. Yeah. Yeah, totally.

Dude Ben 55:59

British manufacturing.

Sir Gene 56:01

Yeah. Well, they haven't really been made in Britain, I think, for a

Dude Ben 56:04

Right. I I, it, it's a joke. It's a joke. Like a Jaguar's Electrical,

Sir Gene 56:09

Right, right, right, right. Yeah.

Dude Ben 56:12

Anyway, all right, well, what else is going on in the world?

Sir Gene 56:15

So Timothy McVay, I don't think we talked about

Dude Ben 56:18

Yes. So interesting tie-ins to Waco.

Sir Gene 56:22

mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 56:24

So I was, you, you gotta remember I was a little kid when this happened, so apparently Timothy McVay there was some footage floating around that I had never seen before today of Timothy McVay selling bumper stickers outside of Waco while it was going on

Sir Gene 56:43

When

Dude Ben 56:44

during the Waco siege. Yes.

Sir Gene 56:47

Okay. Interesting.

Dude Ben 56:50

Yeah.

Sir Gene 56:51

Hmm.

Dude Ben 56:52

You posted an interesting video to,

Sir Gene 56:54

Yeah, it's a little compilation.

Dude Ben 56:55

yeah. Yeah.

Sir Gene 56:58

So it, it was yeah, no, it was a video that, that was edited in a very creative way, which I, you know, I mean, it's all clips from different areas, but it asks good questions. Like, it, it presents the idea that you know who McVeigh was. And he was a special forces, I think he was an Army ranger or something like that. And then he, he did the, the biggest explosion of domestic terrorism, you know, event that's ever happened at the time. And he did it with a guy who doesn't exist in a truck that he didn't rent. And he certainly didn't own. There's no, yeah, there's nothing. And, you know, using fertilizer you didn't buy and, and like all these, all these things that have been over the years disproven. But of course the guy's dead now cuz we executed him. or maybe did we Because there was no autopsy.

Dude Ben 58:03

So let's, let's talk through Oklahoma City in general terms. So first of all, this was supposed to be an attack on the at t f in retribution for

Sir Gene 58:15

Oh, that's right. And the ATF who the attack was against, none of them were in the building at the time.

Dude Ben 58:21

Correct. Including the daycare center and everything

Sir Gene 58:23

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 58:24

Let's just think of this from a physics standpoint. The way that building crumbled the idea that an external explosion.

Sir Gene 58:34

Yeah.

Dude Ben 58:35

Caused that

Sir Gene 58:37

It's a, it's literally impossible. It's, it's literally impossible that because for that building to have crumbled in that way from an external explosion, not only would the explosion have had to have been much bigger and create a much bigger crater than it did, but the building would have had to have had bulkhead inside to prevent glass breaking and air escaping because the, the initial shock wave from the explosion would've essentially turned that building into a, a SIV or a cheese grater, where the majority of the energy is dissipated through the building and out

Dude Ben 59:16

Oh, it would've blown out windows. It would've done damage to the facade. It would've done lots of

Sir Gene 59:21

that we saw could have only been achieved from explosions inside the building. That's

Dude Ben 59:27

the video you pointed out showed original footage from the nineties where they were talking about the second and third explosive

Sir Gene 59:34

right? Yeah. Yeah. And I remember those, like, that was, I was certainly old enough to have watched that stuff and it seemed very suspicious at the time. It seemed like, cuz they were looking for McVeigh for about three days before they tracked him down. And then they were looking for the number two man. And then they never tracked him down.

Dude Ben 59:55

they did.

Sir Gene 59:56

no, no, no. Not the guy that made the explosives, but the, his code driver,

Dude Ben 1:00:02

Oh yeah, yeah,

Sir Gene 1:00:03

like, he just disappeared. Even though there was, everyone was saying it was two men. He just disappeared. never to be found.

Dude Ben 1:00:14

yeah.

Sir Gene 1:00:15

So, you know, I mean there, there are certainly successful criminals out there, but there's so many things that didn't add up with that situation. So many things. And it kinda happened on, you know, the tail end of the government really dialing it to 11 between Waco, Ruby Ridge, and the Clinton gun ban. The legislation that, that ended up getting passed, there was a very distinct fear that Janet Reno would start rounding people up in the hurry who were simply calling out the Clinton death list, which was about half as long at the time

Dude Ben 1:00:52

Yes. The

Sir Gene 1:00:52

as it is today. But it was like, I, I mean, I, I don't think that it's any surprise that when, when that event happened with McVey for whatever, whoever blew that building up, the only thing it did is cause me to go out and buy more guns than ammo.

Dude Ben 1:01:13

Well, and you know, you, so there should have been, there are four times in this there are four times in my lifetime when I feel like I am disappointed in my fellow citizens that there wasn't a revolution. And two of those we've talked about today, and that's Ruby Ridge and Waco. And then you have the passage of Patriot One, Patriot Two in the Military Commission's Act in short order under Bush. And then you have

Sir Gene 1:01:46

Well, that wasn't gonna be a revolution because it was all done,

Dude Ben 1:01:49

have been

Sir Gene 1:01:50

but it, it couldn't have been because it was done under the guise of we just got attacked and now we need. You know, attack back,

Dude Ben 1:02:00

well,

Sir Gene 1:02:00

that is. People, I'm just telling you, people's mindset,

Dude Ben 1:02:05

Mm-hmm.

Sir Gene 1:02:05

In 2001 was not anything revolutionary. It was a unification mindset. Like the goal was achieved by blowing up World Trade Center. They unified the country.

Dude Ben 1:02:16

Yeah. So they unified the country until they didn't. I I was a big Oh, no, of course. The government wasn't involved at first until the NIST report came out. Like I, I kind of rebelled against my parents on this one because they were very much on the, it was an inside

Sir Gene 1:02:31

saying the government was involved. The, as we're watching it live, I'm like, this isn't, this could not happen.

Dude Ben 1:02:37

Right,

Sir Gene 1:02:37

not what airplanes do to buildings. This is see

Dude Ben 1:02:41

right, right. So I, again, I was a physics major at a and m when the NIST report came out, and I read it because I'm, that's just me. And I started reading through it and I started seeing these obvious just wait, jet Field can't do that. That, that makes no sense. What, I literally took it to a, a two prof. I took it to two professors. One was a physics professor, one was an material science engineer, pro engineering professor, and I just said, I, I, I ex, I copied and pasted off my computer and only printed out the portion I wanted them to see. So they couldn't tell that it was the NIST report. And I said, does this make any sense to you? Well, no, there's this, this is obviously wrong. And then I showed'em what it was from. And they got very quiet very quickly,

Sir Gene 1:03:35

Yep. Just like the moon landing,

Dude Ben 1:03:40

man. I dunno about that.

Sir Gene 1:03:43

especially the last one. Apollo 20,

Dude Ben 1:03:47

Wh what, what, when was the last moon landing gene?

Sir Gene 1:03:50

Think 1977.

Dude Ben 1:03:52

I think you're off by a little bit.

Sir Gene 1:03:54

Hmm. I think he just may be unaware.

Dude Ben 1:03:57

Oh, man. Anyway yeah,

Sir Gene 1:04:00

Did I mention that my, my favorite character on YouTube is or the character that, that show the conspiracy show. God damnit, I, now I'm blanking out the name of it. I just saw it in my hi in my mind's eye and I'm blanking it out. Anyway, keep going. I'll look it up and I'll tell you what it is, but it's y'all. If you like conspiracies, there's a great show on YouTube.

Dude Ben 1:04:19

well, I, you need to send me a link.

Sir Gene 1:04:23

Oh. I sent you a link. I don't know if you watched it or not.

Dude Ben 1:04:26

Well try again. I'll, I'll add it to the, the, the list. Let's see. There were quite the host of characters at the rally yesterday. Dan Patrick was there Lieutenant Go governor there was Mike Lindell, Marjorie Taylor Green,

Sir Gene 1:04:39

Yeah. You, you were right next to Linde. I saw that photo you took

Dude Ben 1:04:43

Yeah. Yeah, I I, I almost got a picture with him, but I didn't, so, oh, well

Sir Gene 1:04:49

Hmm. Yeah.

Dude Ben 1:04:51

didn't wanna step over too many grandmas to try and do that. I, I wasn't, I wasn't willing to go that fanboy ish.

Sir Gene 1:04:58

Uhhuh,

Dude Ben 1:04:59

So it's interesting, we're I don't know what the time is cuz we're recording on Zoom today instead of Zencaster

Sir Gene 1:05:04

Don't tell people that they're gonna hate us. The time is 1 21.

Dude Ben 1:05:09

okay, well guess what? The crackle and the audio's back.

Sir Gene 1:05:16

Oh no, I'm not hearing it.

Dude Ben 1:05:18

I know it's in my headphones. So

Sir Gene 1:05:20

Yeah, so it's maybe it's a battery related thing. Like when your batteries they are battery, I assume, right?

Dude Ben 1:05:26

and they're plugged in. They're operating

Sir Gene 1:05:28

So the battery's not even getting drained. I was gonna think maybe it's just a reduction in, in your voltages or something.

Dude Ben 1:05:34

No. And what fixed it last time was a reboot of the MO too, so, I don't know.

Sir Gene 1:05:39

Oof. Yeah. Well, you better hope that Mo Tube doesn't need any service, cuz I don't think they have parts.

Dude Ben 1:05:46

Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:05:47

They may not be able to fix it, even if you're willing to pay for it.

Dude Ben 1:05:51

Life.

Sir Gene 1:05:52

I think we only have like another six or seven months before their next product comes out. Because remember they, they said they, the re well, they stopped making these like a year ago. And they're, they needed to retool because the factory that manufactured them shut

Dude Ben 1:06:09

Burnt down.

Sir Gene 1:06:11

burned down, whatever. And so they were going, they're, they're not gonna make any more of this exact model, but they will make a model that's comparable, that's newer, but it was a 18 month what do you call it? 18 month rollup

Dude Ben 1:06:25

Uhhuh.

Sir Gene 1:06:25

products are available. So it's, it's gonna, it's gonna take a little while for them to get to that point. And I think we're about six months away now, I believe.

Dude Ben 1:06:39

Yeah. I don't know what their new product's gonna be, but I may be in the market for one soon. So

Sir Gene 1:06:43

yeah. No, I think we'll both be cuz it, it's, it's essentially gonna be a more modern replacement version of the boxes that we have, which are great. I mean, this thing, I've had it, I got it right when I came out and then I think Adam Perry got his a month

Dude Ben 1:06:59

an MK five he's got an MK five,

Sir Gene 1:07:03

Who does?

Dude Ben 1:07:04

Adam. He doesn't have the ultra light.

Sir Gene 1:07:06

No, he does have the ultra light.

Dude Ben 1:07:07

He, he has the ultra light MK five, not the A V E B.

Sir Gene 1:07:11

No, he does have the AV b

Dude Ben 1:07:13

I talked to him about it. I, he has a different box. Because I sent him a Linux workaround for the AV B and he does not have the A, B, B, AV B right now.

Sir Gene 1:07:23

Well, he had the AVB because he literally bought it a month after I showed it to him. Well, if he's replaced it, then he bought the wrong one because the mark five is a whole different product for with less features, frankly, it has better preempt. So the mark, and this is why I would replace this one when this version comes out, the v b updated because the preempts that they put into mark five and all their new rigs are higher quality, less noise.

Dude Ben 1:07:51

Yeah. The, and you know, the AV B really the only thing that it gets us, and that quite frankly I like about it is you can control it over the network.

Sir Gene 1:08:04

Yeah. Which is convenient, but not super necessary. But the A V B, unlike the Mark five, has a patch that lets you separate it into 24 unique channels in the Windows interface.

Dude Ben 1:08:19

Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:08:20

So it's purely a Windows patch. I think you could already do that by default on the Mac. I believe I need to plug it into the Mac now that I've, oh, that's another topic. I finally set up my Mac Mini.

Dude Ben 1:08:31

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:08:32

So I've had a Mac Mini M one version for a, probably nine months to a year in the box. Just kept putting off when I set it up, so I finally set it up, finally got around it.

Dude Ben 1:08:46

What are you gonna use the Mac Mini for?

Sir Gene 1:08:49

Probably mostly work stuff. I've always had separate computers for work or home use. And you know, I haven't really worked in a while, so I really haven't needed a work computer. And my old mini still works. I just plugged it in yesterday and updated it, but I hadn't had it plugged in for about nine months because right around that time I bought the M one version, but I never got around to taking it out of the box until now. So now I'm back to being a both Mac and PC gay.

Dude Ben 1:09:23

yeah. I just, I

Sir Gene 1:09:25

I wonder if I could repurpose my old mini as a Linux box.

Dude Ben 1:09:30

yeah, you should be able to.

Sir Gene 1:09:32

Well, the drivers are always questioned, right? What's available for Apple hardware drivers and Linux?

Dude Ben 1:09:39

Well, I mean, if it's an Intel based, I mean,

Sir Gene 1:09:43

it's an I seven, that's the thing. My old one.

Dude Ben 1:09:46

has not really done their own hardware for a while, and now they're coming back to it. So, you know, back in the day Apple was on Power pc, which was a reasonable differentiator. Why you would want that. Which the power PC Architecture, man. I'm, I'm sad that died.

Sir Gene 1:10:03

Well, I couldn't keep up with Intel.

Dude Ben 1:10:04

Not, not true. Not true at all.

Sir Gene 1:10:06

It has fewer, no, it did. It had way fewer flops, mega flops. It performance is just not where Intel was.

Dude Ben 1:10:13

again, not true. Back in the day, one of the big differentiators was a, you had you know, you had, so Solaris would run on Power pc. You had dual processor architecture well before Intel did.

Sir Gene 1:10:29

I'm not talking about when I was introduced, I'm talking about why Apple stopped using it. Cuz I had one of those and I had the first generation Intel and the first generation Intel Mac ran circles around the last generation, power pc, Mac

Dude Ben 1:10:44

fair enough. But I'm, I'm talking in general,

Sir Gene 1:10:47

in general. When it came out, it was leaps and bounds ahead. It was, it was a native 32 bit platform. I'm like, what everybody else was.

Dude Ben 1:10:57

And I think you mean 64, but Yes.

Sir Gene 1:10:59

Yeah, that's, I was trying to remember if it was 64 or 32, but point is, it was definitely an advancement over the Intel silicone back in the day and advancement over the Motorola 68,000 series.

Dude Ben 1:11:14

Yeah, just the dual processor architecture was very, very cool. They were the first ones to do it on the power PC side, so yeah.

Sir Gene 1:11:23

Yeah, I mean, I've, I've literally had every Mac model not every variant of every model, cuz obviously some models had multiple variants, but I've had every Mac model since 1987.

Dude Ben 1:11:37

Did you keep'em, some of those might be worth some money,

Sir Gene 1:11:40

I'm not a collector, so all that shit gets sold as soon as I get something new.

Dude Ben 1:11:45

huh?

Sir Gene 1:11:47

but up until the last well the last max high-end machine I had was a trashcan. So that, that was I, I still have the invoice for it,$9,999, the$10,000 Mac computer. That two years later I got, I built actually a PC for about four grand that ran two and a half times. Super disappointed in that. And so I never got the replacements for the trash can. The new current generation, high-end box for the Mac

Dude Ben 1:12:26

Yeah, max have always been super expensive for

Sir Gene 1:12:28

got, like, for the new computer, the you know, they never come with monitors. The monitors like separately. It's, I think it's three grand, but the stand for the monitor is$700.

Dude Ben 1:12:40

Yeah. I Why, why are you buying, why, why are you throwing your money away,

Sir Gene 1:12:43

Right? Well, no, I'm not, that's why I'm, that's why I'm saying I'm not like, I don't own that. That's ridiculous. I've got multiple 4K 40 inch displays here. I've got one for the Mac, one for the pc, and then I got another one that's sitting here not plugged into anything. And each of those screens was under a thousand bucks. So for three grand, which would've

Dude Ben 1:13:06

if you're paying over$500 for a screen. My God.

Sir Gene 1:13:10

Well, these are, you know, I, like, I have, they're, they're running 4K at 144 Hertz

Dude Ben 1:13:17

Yeah. I mean, there, there are some budget, there are some budget monitor makers out there that are doing plenty Good work.

Sir Gene 1:13:26

Yes. And, and you drive F-150. There you go. Good enough isn't always what you want to buy. Sometimes you want to go beyond good enough.

Dude Ben 1:13:36

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, okay. There are times to buy quality and there are times to, you know, not,

Sir Gene 1:13:43

for me, I like to buy quality and for other people they can buy now.

Dude Ben 1:13:47

yeah. So like the TV I have out outside on, on my patio which is for football and when I'm cooking and, you know, occasional YouTube stuff when I'm outside at night. But I could buy a$2,000 outdoor tv,

Sir Gene 1:14:03

Oh yeah. I've seen those.

Dude Ben 1:14:04

Yeah. Or I can buy a$300 TCL or whatever.

Sir Gene 1:14:10

I give a shit if it breaks.

Dude Ben 1:14:11

Exactly.

Sir Gene 1:14:12

I'm with you on that. I totally agree with that policy. The thing is, if something's gonna be in front of your eyes or underneath your fingers for an extended period of time, like, you know, thousands and thousands of hours. That's why I don't think you want us to ski.

Dude Ben 1:14:28

Yeah. Gene, go outside.

Sir Gene 1:14:32

I've been outside. I was outside yesterday. My watch said, so,

Dude Ben 1:14:36

Yes. And I saw the, the timeline for the rest of the week, where you absolutely had not been.

Sir Gene 1:14:42

Uhhuh, Uhhuh Yes. I, my watch calculates the sunlight exposure. So it, it actually told

Dude Ben 1:14:49

the rest of the week was zero

Sir Gene 1:14:52

well, we don't want to go get cancer now, do we?

Dude Ben 1:14:56

You know what, if, if I get cancer from the sun, that's the best way to get cancer and probably the least likely way for me to get cancer. But yes,

Sir Gene 1:15:06

Well, I, I'm obviously kidding cuz neither one of us is particularly light-skinned

Dude Ben 1:15:12

I won't be after after this. Oh, I'll have a farmer stand from hell.

Sir Gene 1:15:18

what

Dude Ben 1:15:19

the thing is I, I, I tan, I don't usually burn, but I am burned.

Sir Gene 1:15:23

Yeah.

Dude Ben 1:15:24

way

Sir Gene 1:15:24

it looked pretty, it looked pretty red yesterday. Well, you weren't wearing a hat. See, at least I had my cowboy hat on. You weren't wearing a hat at all, so,

Dude Ben 1:15:31

Yeah, that was, that was a problem. Yeah, and it's weird. My arms didn't really burn at all. My legs didn't burn. Just my face and my neck, so yeah, that's, that's fun.

Sir Gene 1:15:43

Yeah. That's, that sucks. Well, and the way the stage was set up yesterday

Dude Ben 1:15:49

Oh,

Sir Gene 1:15:49

had everybody looking at the sun the entire time.

Dude Ben 1:15:52

So yeah, the, the, the Trump was facing east. Everyone else was face, the majority of the crowd was facing west into the setting sun. And this was a day that there was not a fucking cloud in

Sir Gene 1:16:06

it was a pure blue sky.

Dude Ben 1:16:07

I mean, it was a gorgeous day in so many ways. It was great, but,

Sir Gene 1:16:12

me also wonder why the hell Trump's plane was an hour late.

Dude Ben 1:16:15

well, they said crosswinds and preventing him from a landing, there is only one runway at that airport, so it could have been, but I, the, the breeze wasn't that bad, I

Sir Gene 1:16:27

Hey, I wonder if that airport could even handle a 7 47,

Dude Ben 1:16:31

No, no, no. New

Sir Gene 1:16:32

so that, like his 7 57 was probably as

Dude Ben 1:16:35

maxing out that runway. Yes. Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:16:39

Yeah, I hadn't thought of that there. There's actually an advantage to having a smaller plane.

Dude Ben 1:16:43

Yes.

Sir Gene 1:16:45

Hmm.

Dude Ben 1:16:46

We, and you know, a again his plane I really wonder what the in interior configuration is like on that.

Sir Gene 1:16:54

It's, it's probably about two thirds of the plane is Trump's office and then the rest of it is other people

Dude Ben 1:17:00

Yeah. But I mean,

Sir Gene 1:17:03

and a gold toilet

Dude Ben 1:17:05

does he have a, does he have a hanza style bedroom on there, or what? You

Sir Gene 1:17:10

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dude Ben 1:17:12

which, if you haven't seen it, the new Hanza first class International

Sir Gene 1:17:16

Looks really good. Which is interesting to see because Luft has historically disappointed me.

Dude Ben 1:17:23

well, I think there's a big difference between hanza long haul and hanza

Sir Gene 1:17:28

Clearly.

Dude Ben 1:17:29

short haul. Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:17:30

Well, and I was supposed to, I remember I was supposed to fly on Lutan private

Dude Ben 1:17:36

Mm-hmm.

Sir Gene 1:17:37

Had a flight to Europe on that, and it got canceled at the last minute, which pissed me out because Lutan private is basically a like an. A three 40 with no coach. The entire plane is first class.

Dude Ben 1:17:57

huh?

Sir Gene 1:17:58

And you know, when I booked that I was like, fuck yeah, this'll be awesome. First time I get to experience a a private flight. Private isn't the generic word, private, it's literally their brand, Lufthansa private.

Dude Ben 1:18:11

right.

Sir Gene 1:18:11

So the idea is that you're supposed to, since there is no coach, there's much fewer people. They still have the same amount of stewards as aboard. Yes. I still call'em Even though half of'em are gay and the f the food's supposed to be better. No, but yeah, we're not gonna have that conversation. There's this misconception that modern steward seems to have, that their job is to provide for safety and evacuation of a plane. No, their job is to provide food and drink and

Dude Ben 1:18:41

hot while doing

Sir Gene 1:18:42

there ought to be. No, boy, do I remember the old PanAm says, holy shit, those looked hot. They couldn't be more than 110 pounds and they couldn't be shorter than five foot seven. That was a, that was a great days.

Dude Ben 1:19:00

sorry. Tall anorexic chick. Got it.

Sir Gene 1:19:02

I would call that a healthy chick.

Dude Ben 1:19:06

Nah,

Sir Gene 1:19:07

Definitely on the tallish side, but that's cuz they have to be able to, you know, reach into your, your your bins up top with your luggage.

Dude Ben 1:19:17

yeah. You know, like five, two, a hundred and twenty pounds is a, you know, that's a, that's a good one.

Sir Gene 1:19:24

Well, a hundred. Okay. So we're going, I see we're going into this topic. This is a topic everyone always accuses me of. You know, on every show that I do, seems to be a show that talks about this. I think the, in my experience anyway, the healthiest weight for a woman is about 110 pounds. About five foot five.

Dude Ben 1:19:47

Uhhuh.

Sir Gene 1:19:49

Yeah. That's, that's like the most healthy

Dude Ben 1:19:52

Most healthy in what way?

Sir Gene 1:19:54

to look at and and other things. Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 1:20:00

No, I,

Sir Gene 1:20:00

Oh, speaking him. Five. Five. Yeah. Yeah. Turns out Ben and I are the same height. Look at that. He always talking about how short I am, which is a

Dude Ben 1:20:08

Bullshit. I am wearing, wearing tennis shoes. I am three inches taller than

Sir Gene 1:20:14

Uhhuh, Uhhuh, in cowboy boots. Maybe buddy just, just walking next to him. I'm like, oh, wait a minute. Our eyes are at the same height. What the hell? He was like, oh no, I'm just I'm not wearing boots. I'm like,

Dude Ben 1:20:27

No. And I was not standing up straight and I stood up straight and I'm clearly much taller

Sir Gene 1:20:31

Yeah. Yeah. You got on your tippy toes to be taller. I saw that happening.

Dude Ben 1:20:35

Uhhuh

Sir Gene 1:20:37

So don't believe it. It's all bullshit. He's, he's, maybe he's got an inch on me. That's about it.

Dude Ben 1:20:44

I'm five 10, dude. But okay.

Sir Gene 1:20:46

You might have been five 10 when you were 16 years old. You're probably about five seven right now.

Dude Ben 1:20:52

you think that I'm shrunk in my thirties? Okay.

Sir Gene 1:20:57

Well, what do you, what do you do for work?

Dude Ben 1:20:59

Oh, oh, what do you mean?

Sir Gene 1:21:01

What do you do for work? Yes. Sit on the desk, on the chair and Yeah. Bent over a computer.

Dude Ben 1:21:07

Yep.

Sir Gene 1:21:08

Yeah. You've probably shrunk about three inches, I'd say.

Dude Ben 1:21:11

Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:21:12

Now me, I don't, I don't work, so therefore I don't shrink.

Dude Ben 1:21:16

Yep.

Sir Gene 1:21:17

What else do we wanna talk about? So we talked about the big topics, the, the Trump related stuff. Talked about the Oklahoma stuff. I think there was one other thing. Oh, by the way, I remember, or I looked up the name of that conspiracy channel, which is awesome. It is my all-time favorite channel now. And they're growing like crazy. It's called the WI Files. Their logo is a WF question mark. And each episode it's Either weekly or biweekly. But each episode takes a topic and then in a very, very well-written way, kind of presents the, the topic starting with the full buy-in to the conspiracy theories and the at about the halfway marked two-thirds mark of the episode, then talking about why some of these conspiracy theories are wrong and then wrapping things up with, well, but here's the stuff we really don't know. So it's a, it's a really good format because it, it's both enjoyable and educational. And it has a character on there called Heckle fish which is awesome, which is a, you know, a cgi, fish and aquarium. But he is a talking fish and heckle fish says all the shit you're actually thinking. So, you know, ev every time there's, there's ancient mysteries type videos, heckle fish say, isn't that when the younger driest happened? Every time that you know, there's talk about nine 11, the heckle fish will say WTC seven. Every time talking about politicians or rich people, the heckle fish will say something about lizards. You know, it's, it's, it's great. You have to watch it. See what I mean? But it's a very weird, my TV decided to change settings by itself in front of me. That's bizarre.

Dude Ben 1:23:23

What's that?

Sir Gene 1:23:24

My, the settings on my my computer monitors started changing on their own.

Dude Ben 1:23:28

That's interesting,

Sir Gene 1:23:30

Mm, yeah, I, it started about a few days ago. I'm trying to figure out why. It may be that there's a remote control somewhere that something is sitting on top of

Dude Ben 1:23:42

huh?

Sir Gene 1:23:43

and then pressing buttons. I, that, that's a very likely possibility. Actually, I'll have to, I'll have to take a look at that, see if I can find the remote for it. Cuz once you set up a, a monitor, you don't really need to fuck with it, right? So all the remote does is let you change settings that you could be changing and paper, push a buttons on the monitor, doing it from five feet away. Anyway, so Heckle fish is awesome. Check out the wifi files. They've got episodes about pretty much everything. I, I love their episode about the, the emerald tablets of Atlantis. They had one about Tesla's most destructive weapon. And then one before that was Alien attack or Project Bluebeam.

Dude Ben 1:24:23

Which boy are we being set up for? Project Bluebeam.

Sir Gene 1:24:27

mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Apollo 20. The Secret mission to the Moon. They talk about that. Totally, totally true. Not even a conspiracy. The CIA knows about the

Dude Ben 1:24:36

us about Apollo 20. Why would we have a Secret Moon mission?

Sir Gene 1:24:41

Well, I, I, I'm gonna steer you right to that episode. I'm gonna promote them then, cuz they, they, they do such a great job.

Dude Ben 1:24:50

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:24:52

Ancient Egyptians in the Grand Canyon. This one that you should totally see.

Dude Ben 1:24:56

Yeah. And, and I, I called, mm.

Sir Gene 1:25:01

You watch it. I wanna see you call bullshit after you watch it, dude, because

Dude Ben 1:25:05

I, I've heard of

Sir Gene 1:25:06

way too many,

Dude Ben 1:25:08

and I call bullshit.

Sir Gene 1:25:09

not a conspiracy theory. There's way too many actual evidential things that, there are ancient redemption artifacts and a whole cave system out of the Grand Canyon

Dude Ben 1:25:24

Yeah. Where is it?

Sir Gene 1:25:25

rooms. It's in the

Dude Ben 1:25:26

why don't we know exactly where it is?

Sir Gene 1:25:28

show exactly where it is in that video. It has totally been found, it has been sealed off by the government with concrete concrete blocked in seal. They're literally trails and stuff that have been blocked off with warning signs on'em. And I mean, you watched that episode. It's, I'm telling you,

Dude Ben 1:25:50

all right, let, let's just take this for a second. What would the motivation be to conceal that knowledge? Why

Sir Gene 1:25:58

tell me. What's the motivation for the government? Concealing aliens

Dude Ben 1:26:00

well, generally, their culpability in the issues that they've created, but w you know, ancient Egyptians having been in North America, why is that problematic information that we don't want the public to know?

Sir Gene 1:26:14

Why do you think they got there?

Dude Ben 1:26:15

Probably by boat.

Sir Gene 1:26:16

By aliens?

Dude Ben 1:26:17

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:26:19

Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 1:26:19

And the US government would want the public to not know this.

Sir Gene 1:26:24

because aliens,

Dude Ben 1:26:26

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:26:28

I'm just, I'm just telling you, it's, it's a anything that can be traced back to aliens, the US government has an incentive not to discuss, not to cover it up, to bury it, to tell people that's just ridiculous. No such thing as alien.

Dude Ben 1:26:43

Well, I mean, do you, do you believe in aliens, gene

Sir Gene 1:26:48

Do I believe in aliens? No, that's, you could ask me if I believe in God. That's a belief thing. Aliens, you don't have to believe in. They're actually provable

Dude Ben 1:26:57

Uhhuh Now, if you, if you say, you

Sir Gene 1:27:02

You would, you would

Dude Ben 1:27:03

do, does life exist outside the earth? Sure. Are provable that they've been here and so on. Yeah, no.

Sir Gene 1:27:12

Absolutely. Well, I mean, anybody that believes in God, believes in aliens God is an alien.

Dude Ben 1:27:20

I, I would reframe that, but Sure.

Sir Gene 1:27:23

Well, I mean, you can reframe it, but you're believing in something that did not originate on the earth, but yet somehow affects the earth and has had interactions with people of Earth. Sounds like aliens to me.

Dude Ben 1:27:37

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:27:39

Just saying. Anyway, great channel, awesome episodes. And like I said, they do a good job of debunking the stuff that's debunk, but then leave you with the stuff that isn't debunk

Dude Ben 1:27:52

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:27:53

the Secrets of the Great Pyramids. They had another episode that was really good on the the what do you call it? Oh, I'm blanking out again. Goddammit.

Dude Ben 1:28:02

Wow. I I'm gonna send you this tweet

Sir Gene 1:28:05

Yep. What'd you

Dude Ben 1:28:06

because apparently this happened while we were at the Trump rally yesterday.

Sir Gene 1:28:10

Oh, really

Dude Ben 1:28:11

Yeah. This is French. And this this is something you should throw a link in the show notes to because there are emergency response vehicles in this video that are literally, the protest is going on and they're literally on fire. Shots are fired. It's a whole fricking thing, dude.

Sir Gene 1:28:35

Interesting.

Dude Ben 1:28:37

And this is not in Paris? This is in rural France.

Sir Gene 1:28:40

Oh really? Because all the only stuff I've seen so

Dude Ben 1:28:42

No, this is, this is not in Paris, this is rural France. This is out in the countryside. Shit going down.

Sir Gene 1:28:51

Wow. Yeah. I think

Dude Ben 1:28:53

you watch the video?

Sir Gene 1:28:54

I'm watching right now

Dude Ben 1:28:56

You should loop the audio in.

Sir Gene 1:28:57

That I, I don't wanna fuck with it right now cuz I'm, we're doing it in Zoom.

Dude Ben 1:29:02

yeah. Anyway. Holy

Sir Gene 1:29:04

Yeah. That's pretty intense. French people are not happy right now. Not happy campers.

Dude Ben 1:29:11

Yeah. Think,

Sir Gene 1:29:12

Mm-hmm.

Dude Ben 1:29:13

yeah. Anyway, sorry. I just was that,

Sir Gene 1:29:16

Yeah. You, you were bored on the podcast while we're recording, looking at videos to watch. Same time. I get it. I get it. All right. All right. What else did we, there was something else that we did not, oh I'm just gonna mention that there were no protestors at the pro, at the Trump event.

Dude Ben 1:29:32

No, none.

Sir Gene 1:29:33

People were asking like, no,

Dude Ben 1:29:36

Yeah. And, and I mean, it's, it's Waco. I mean it's the conservative of the conservative. It's as deep rid of Texas as it

Sir Gene 1:29:44

I'm the 30th anniversary

Dude Ben 1:29:46

Yes.

Sir Gene 1:29:47

of Waco. So I think if there were protestors there, they may be too afraid to put on their black clothes

Dude Ben 1:29:55

they would certainly they would certainly have an interesting time had they shown up.

Sir Gene 1:30:01

you know? And the only other thing I think I would say is I think, I don't think people were buying a whole lot of product. I think a lot of people showed up with their preexisting pro-Trump products.

Dude Ben 1:30:15

I saw a bunch of people spending a lot of money yesterday.

Sir Gene 1:30:18

really? Because I didn't.

Dude Ben 1:30:19

Well, again, I was there for

Sir Gene 1:30:22

Yeah, you were waiting before they got in there. That's true. But, but look at the inventory that they all had at the end of the thing. When we walked around the the tables that were selling crap,

Dude Ben 1:30:34

Oh yeah. They, they certainly didn't like sell out, but there were a ton of

Sir Gene 1:30:37

out. They were, they went like, they all went basically to two to one pricing for hats and things.

Dude Ben 1:30:43

Yeah. Which is fine. I mean, they still probably made bank.

Sir Gene 1:30:49

I'm sure I, I didn't think that, it's a little weird that like just anybody can print up Trump's stuff

Dude Ben 1:30:56

Why?

Sir Gene 1:30:57

I don't know, just like, can you just do that with Coca-Cola or McDonald's? Can you just print your own shit and sell it?

Dude Ben 1:31:04

Well, no, but Trump is a public figure, so, yeah. Now that, that was an interesting thing is one of the band items into the rally was external campaign material.

Sir Gene 1:31:15

Yes, I saw that.

Dude Ben 1:31:17

If it was not Trump material, you could not take it into the.

Sir Gene 1:31:20

Right. Which makes sense because they don't want to be associated. Cuz then there'd be a whole lot of people with DeSantis signs

Dude Ben 1:31:27

Well, not necessarily uh, no, not, not in that group. I'm sorry. No,

Sir Gene 1:31:33

Yeah. I don't know. I didn't feel threatened at all being there.

Dude Ben 1:31:37

why would you?

Sir Gene 1:31:38

Well, I'm not a Trump voter

Dude Ben 1:31:39

okay.

Sir Gene 1:31:41

you know, so, That's reasonably friendly, I guess. Oh, I should probably also, and I think I've said this theory before, but since we still have a little time here, I might as well repeat it. So my, to clarify my stance on, on the whole Trump thing I don't dislike Trump. I, I like what Trump has done of the few things he managed to push through, and I certainly like his rhetoric. My problem is that I don't think Trump ought to be running because Trump mobilizes the lefties. He mobilizes the voters against him like nobody else. Whether it's DeSantis or some other Republican running the number of people that could be mobilized by the Democrats to go out, not just vote, but to collect ballots, to do harvesting, to do the phone lines where everybody calls, you know, people reminding him to go out and vote. All of that would be way, way, way more difficult if it's somebody other than Trump running

Dude Ben 1:32:52

unless they arrest Trump. Because if they arrest Trump, then that's gonna

Sir Gene 1:32:57

if they arrest.

Dude Ben 1:32:58

that.

Sir Gene 1:32:59

Well, I don't know that it affects the Democrats if they were, because I'm not talking about the Republican effect of Trump. I'm talking about Democrat effect on Trump. Like Trump is the best possible candidate for the Democrats in order to get their base motivated because he is the anti-Christ. He is literally whatever the liberal equivalent of the devil is.

Dude Ben 1:33:24

I don't know, man. I think the, the, the ultra left are going to be the ultra left no matter what. I think they're going to vote

Sir Gene 1:33:33

not the ultra left, it's, it's the middle of the road. And

Dude Ben 1:33:37

have flipped. The middle are going, you know what? I wish Trump had been into office the last two years. That's

Sir Gene 1:33:42

don't know what the hell you're smoking there, but give me some of that because you're full of shit. The middle has not flipped as per the elections that we just had last year. We barely, barely, barely squeezed out a majority in the house.

Dude Ben 1:33:58

Yeah, again, sea ballot harvesting. And

Sir Gene 1:34:01

And what do you think that's gonna go away? What do you mean there's gonna be 10 times as much balance by the Democrats next election? It doesn't, it literally doesn't matter how many votes Trump gets. The Democrats are printing votes right now to make sure they have.

Dude Ben 1:34:17

fair enough. But again, they're gonna do that against anyone who runs.

Sir Gene 1:34:23

They are. But the people doing the actual work of doing that are much more easily motivated to do it against the most evil man on the planet biggest friend of Russia than they are against some generic Republican.

Dude Ben 1:34:38

I Okay. Again, I, I, I think that there is a lot more to it than that. I think that

Sir Gene 1:34:45

simple dude, because it's literally like, you're running Hitler, you wanna run Hitler, you're gonna get a lot of people that are motivated to do stuff against him.

Dude Ben 1:34:54

I, I don't think you can compare Trump and Hitler,

Sir Gene 1:34:57

I'm not comparing him, I'm saying that's the message that the lefties utilize against him. They would have to start from scratch on a DeSantis of somebody else and just say, well, they're a generic Republican. Let's, let's find some bad, bad things about'em. Do you think for a second that any of these left-leaning but not hardcore ultra liberals, do you think for a second that they've changed their mind about all the stuff that Trump did, whether it's alleged or not? Why, why do you think they're trying to indict Trump? Because they, they don't think that, I mean, you know what the penalty for this is like a thousand dollars or something. It's minimal. They're doing it because they want to remind their. That. Oh yeah, Trump, he's the guy that grabbed women by the pussy. He's the guy that had to pay off a porn star who he was fucking on the side. He's the guy that we absolutely should never again allow to be president.

Dude Ben 1:35:57

Yeah, I, I think it's simpler than that. I think you've got a prosecutor who, or a DA that's overstepping doing something stupid and shooting his own party in the foot,

Sir Gene 1:36:08

How many times are people gonna be willing to just think that Trump's got it in the bag, he's gonna win.

Dude Ben 1:36:16

I'm sorry.

Sir Gene 1:36:17

How many times are people going to think that Trump's got it in the bag? I think it was ridiculous to think that two and a half years ago, and it's ridiculous to think that now.

Dude Ben 1:36:28

Dude, he got more votes than he got in 2016 by tens of millions of votes. He, the, the election of 2020 was absolutely historic. Biggest voter turnout ever. And, you know, I think without Covid, absolutely Trump's president right now. I think he made some missteps and yeah, I think the country made some missteps by electing Joe Biden. And I think a lot of people are feeling that right now. I mean, the economy, all you have to do is look at

Sir Gene 1:37:03

Well, and we, we talked

Dude Ben 1:37:04

on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Look at, look at the polling right now on how people feel about the economy on party lines. Republicans, the economy is trash. Right? Everyone agrees with that. The lefties it's okay. I think it's okay. The middle it's trash. So yeah, no on economics alone right now, which this last time around the economy had not yet hit the wall that

Sir Gene 1:37:29

I, I think you're kind of alluding to different topics here. There's a, the dislike of Biden and the like of Trump are two separate things.

Dude Ben 1:37:39

Yes. And what I'm saying is if Biden is the candidate, Trump absolutely wins.

Sir Gene 1:37:45

I agree with that. I totally agree with that. We don't know that Biden's gonna be the candidate, and I

Dude Ben 1:37:50

Who else are they going to run? Who can

Sir Gene 1:37:53

Gavin Newsom, I think there is probably the most likely

Dude Ben 1:37:56

Will not beat Trump. Not a

Sir Gene 1:37:58

Oh,

Dude Ben 1:37:58

in hell, he'll carry California only.

Sir Gene 1:38:02

You're insane. You're absolutely

Dude Ben 1:38:04

All right. California and New York. And Washington and Oregon.

Sir Gene 1:38:07

He's, Gavin Newsom has a lot of more pluses over Biden and Biden won over Trump. Again.

Dude Ben 1:38:16

Newsom. I, I, I think I can confidently say that Gavin Newsom will never be president of the United States.

Sir Gene 1:38:23

Oh, you're so gonna regret saying that.

Dude Ben 1:38:25

I, if Gavin Newsom has ever elected president of the United States and multiple states don't immediately succeed just based off his gun control policies alone. We're done. There is no

Sir Gene 1:38:37

I don't disagree with this statement. I tend to agree with it, but I, I just, I'm surprised at how Republicans keep being surprised that Democrats are willing to cheat every fucking time. You have to walk into this, assuming that's gonna happen. So why was

Dude Ben 1:38:59

addressed

Sir Gene 1:38:59

why was Trump a great candidate in 2016? Because he was an unknown quantity. Exactly. He was unknown. He was an outsider. The Democrats underestimated him. They thought they had Hillary as a complete shoe-in, and they almost did. You know, he didn't win by that much, but they underestimated him because he was an unknown quantity. He has been a very known quantity from that point on. And almost literally right after, since right after the elections, the Democrats were extremely pissed off and started trying to go after him to make sure he doesn't get a re reelected the next time. And it was a, it's personal for them. This is the part that I'm getting. It's not like they don't, they're not gonna have the same level of efficiency. Of making sure that the Democrat gets elected. If it's somebody other than Trump and because it's Trump, there's a lot more commitment to actually make sure that he doesn't, this is the way they're selling it to their people is, you know, this is your opportunity to ensure that Hitler doesn't return to power. This is, this is our moment of Germany, 19 38, 19 37. Probably. This is the way they're selling it. And I, I think that the Republicans are so damn smoking the hopium here that they can't imagine how Trump could possibly lose. Well, he lost once and when he loses a second time, you'll all be going, oh my God, I can't believe that happened. That is ridiculous. It shouldn't have happened.

Dude Ben 1:40:46

Yeah, I don't think he's gonna lose. The only person I think that they could run that might beat him would be Michelle Obama. If they try

Sir Gene 1:40:53

Somebody with zero political

Dude Ben 1:40:55

will be hilarious.

Sir Gene 1:40:57

would be enough to beat him?

Dude Ben 1:40:59

Cortez

Sir Gene 1:41:00

Who's Cortez? I don't know anything about him.

Dude Ben 1:41:02

Ocasio Cortez

Sir Gene 1:41:03

Oh, a o c. The big booty Latina, if they ran aoc, I think Trump is guaranteed to.

Dude Ben 1:41:12

Why?

Sir Gene 1:41:13

Because there would be essentially every zoomer and a shit ton of people from your generation would vote for her just because it's a woman and she's from that generation.

Dude Ben 1:41:26

Yeah. No, she's dumb.

Sir Gene 1:41:28

I don't think people care whether the president or not is whether the president is dumb or not.

Dude Ben 1:41:32

I

Sir Gene 1:41:33

George Bush,

Dude Ben 1:41:35

George Bush was not dumb, unfortunately.

Sir Gene 1:41:38

he's about as dumb as aoc.

Dude Ben 1:41:40

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's a massive difference. Maniacal, absolutely evil. Sure. Dumb.

Sir Gene 1:41:48

Oh my God. Which bush are we talking about? Dad was maniacal, the son was not.

Dude Ben 1:41:53

Yes. The Grand Wizard was definitely maniacal. But no, they're, they're, that entire family is just horrible. And anyone who doesn't believe me, Reed Bush. Family of secrets. Yep.

Sir Gene 1:42:07

Yep.

Dude Ben 1:42:09

And you know, Prescott Busch, which I was educating a few people about yesterday, actually, you know, Prescott Busch tried to overthrow the US government, right? Cuz he wanted Roosevelt out and the whole Smily Butler plot.

Sir Gene 1:42:22

I talked about that on one of my other podcasts.

Dude Ben 1:42:25

yeah. So no that people can excuse Bush as dumb, but no, I'm sorry, he's not dumb. He's just evil.

Sir Gene 1:42:34

I

Dude Ben 1:42:34

met the man

Sir Gene 1:42:34

there might be, he may be evil, but I think there's plenty of dumb there to go around.

Dude Ben 1:42:41

hell, okay.

Sir Gene 1:42:43

He sure had a knack for not really communicating well.

Dude Ben 1:42:48

He just talked in a Southern accent, which he was born in Maine you know, mispronounced nuclear, and you know, things like that. That's why

Sir Gene 1:42:59

I've noticed that my

Dude Ben 1:43:00

So you gotta, you, you have to take off your bias and add at least 20 IQ points cuz you used the southern accents,

Sir Gene 1:43:07

I have no bias towards dumb people using southern accents. I do have one for a New Jersey accent.

Dude Ben 1:43:15

Oh my God.

Sir Gene 1:43:16

whenever I hear people with a jersey accent, I definitely take 20 IQ points off.

Dude Ben 1:43:20

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:43:22

It was the weirdest thing for me. Many years now ago, like in the nineties working with a

Dude Ben 1:43:28

know, I try not to, not to stereotype anyone

Sir Gene 1:43:32

Sure. Working in, in New Jersey, I had I the company I was working for at the time, it's called Emerald Solutions. But I was working on a, a security project for them, mountain jersey, and I was working with locals, right? People that are from that part of the country

Dude Ben 1:43:51

Mm-hmm.

Sir Gene 1:43:53

that have, you know, c ibs, they got all their security credits and stuff.

Dude Ben 1:43:57

way overrated Certification.

Sir Gene 1:43:59

Well not when you got it 25 years ago. And it was a, it was the weirdest thing cuz I had to keep mentally adding back 20 IQ points because my natural inclination was that, like, that accent automatically makes them dumb as a brick. But I don't know, I don't know what it is and, you know, it probably isn't fair, but it's probably not completely un un by on base on something,

Dude Ben 1:44:30

Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:44:32

right? So, I don't know. I don't know. I think that, I've said this a long time ago and I, I think it's still very true, is that biases have a place that they're there. They're, we've evolved to have biases as part of our,

Dude Ben 1:44:48

It's the othering process, which is incredibly dangerous.

Sir Gene 1:44:52

No, not dangerous. It's a life survival process. It's, it's ensures

Dude Ben 1:44:56

dangerous because what it allows people to justify morally to themselves, it, it, it absolutely can be dangerous.

Sir Gene 1:45:05

no, I don't think it's dangerous at all. It, it's a, it's a process that allows you to shorten a can, certain things so that you don't risk your own experience or you don't have an experience that risk your own life. That's what biases are the first level of defense in dealing with unknown quantities.

Dude Ben 1:45:28

But the problem with othering and, you know, putting people into a

Sir Gene 1:45:34

talking very

Dude Ben 1:45:35

that's how atrocities happen.

Sir Gene 1:45:39

Well, that's also how survival happens. So, you know, you, you're gonna be you're one of those people that would say, if you can just save one child, let's ban on bullets.

Dude Ben 1:45:52

Say that again.

Sir Gene 1:45:53

If you can just save one child, then we should ban all bullets.

Dude Ben 1:45:57

That is such a false equivalency. It's not even funny. How do you draw those

Sir Gene 1:46:01

the same thing.

Dude Ben 1:46:02

No, it's not. How, how is that the same thing?

Sir Gene 1:46:05

Because, because the idea of taking the worst possible result, the worst outcome of a group of outcomes. And then just using that as justification

Dude Ben 1:46:17

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. All right. Let, let me clarify here, because you're, you're, you're taking my argument to a place that I don't see it in any way, shape,

Sir Gene 1:46:25

That's what straw men are for.

Dude Ben 1:46:27

Yeah. Yeah. So for the record, yes. Biases, things are, you know, to your point, a survival mechanism and have a place. What I would say is that we have to be careful with them because they have been misused in the past, and you should always have a red flag when someone starts othering someone. Now that othering may be very justified based off of what's going on and this, that, and the other. Totally agree. You still gotta pay attention and be careful, but that's in anything, that's in any portion of society.

Sir Gene 1:47:05

Okay. So what you're saying is it doesn't matter what the conversation topic is, you should just be careful.

Dude Ben 1:47:12

No

Sir Gene 1:47:14

Cause that's what it kind of sounds like. You're not actually refuting my point. You're agreeing with my point, but then you're adding on and you're tacking on on the end of

Dude Ben 1:47:21

no, no,

Sir Gene 1:47:21

But be careful.

Dude Ben 1:47:22

drawing lines and saying, oh, all you know, the Jews are bad, well, you end up with, you know, something that supposedly happened.

Sir Gene 1:47:33

Well, okay, but let's say, let's, for the sake of arguments, say that that's a bias somebody has. Like, it probably isn't bad. It's probably that they're like you know, like cheap skates and, and they're, they're grabby with their money. I don't know what, whatever the, I mean, the Jews are bad is a weird one cuz it's so generic. It's it, that's not usually what's assigned to Jews is my point.

Dude Ben 1:48:00

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:48:00

assigned to Jews is that they're what's the word? Like when you, when you like Scrooge McDuck, what's, what's he, he's a,

Dude Ben 1:48:08

Wealthy man.

Sir Gene 1:48:09

what's his personality type?

Dude Ben 1:48:11

Cheap.

Sir Gene 1:48:12

But beyond, now he's not cheap. Like he hoards his money. What is that personality type? Stingy, right? No, not stingy. There's a better word for it. But anyway, I think that's typically the scrooge duck is what's assigned to Jews. Right? So let's say that's what you, you have your bias set to. Does that automatically, naturally lead to we should exterminate all Jews? No. What it leads to is I can't trust these Jews.

Dude Ben 1:48:44

Well, I mean,

Sir Gene 1:48:45

you could

Dude Ben 1:48:46

I, I would well, let me ask you something. Is it a Torah or Talmud Jew? Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:48:54

Is what, what are you asking?

Dude Ben 1:48:56

Is it a Tou Talmudic Jew or a Torah Jew?

Sir Gene 1:49:01

Why? What's the distinction you're making?

Dude Ben 1:49:03

Well, the Talmud is a book that was written in Babylon while the Jews were in exile and is very, very different than the Torah. So which do they follow?

Sir Gene 1:49:16

Well, okay, but I wasn't even talking about religious Jews. I was just talking about ethnic Jews.

Dude Ben 1:49:21

I know, but I'm going into a very cancelable deep other dimension here. So

Sir Gene 1:49:27

Yeah. Clearly. Well, religious Jews tend to follow both of'em because they're kind of taught side by side.

Dude Ben 1:49:36

Yeah. The, the, my point is the Talmud's just got some problems there.

Sir Gene 1:49:40

Okay. But that literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is

Dude Ben 1:49:44

Well, I'm just saying whether or not I trust them or not.

Sir Gene 1:49:47

Okay. So you have a bias against the Talmud.

Dude Ben 1:49:49

The same way I have a bias against you know, the Quran when you know it's okay to have, you know, odd sex with, you know, nonbelievers and things like that. And, you know, you know, the Tori go gets thrown around a little bit and you know, I take some offense there.

Sir Gene 1:50:08

Okay. Cracker. Take some offense there. My point, what I was trying to get at is that if you have different stereotypes and biases against people, that they're probably there from a cultural historical reason

Dude Ben 1:50:28

Mm-hmm.

Sir Gene 1:50:30

and like, you know, there, there's like, there's a bias that Asians have small penises.

Dude Ben 1:50:38

Well, is that a bias or is it just fact?

Sir Gene 1:50:40

Well, I, I, I don't know. I've never

Dude Ben 1:50:43

ever seen an Asian man

Sir Gene 1:50:44

I know right? Although I can't, now if I'm honest, I can't say I've never seen an Asian man naked cuz I've, I've been to plenty of gym locker rooms and when you're walking around to take a shower, it's impossible to not at some point see another man's penis. Anybody that, that disagrees is a liar.

Dude Ben 1:51:03

Well, I, I've never I've never showered in a gym locker room, so I wouldn't know.

Sir Gene 1:51:07

There you go. You've never been to a public high school.

Dude Ben 1:51:11

I have been to a public high school and I've participated in sports,

Sir Gene 1:51:14

have you never showered in

Dude Ben 1:51:15

in the gym locker room. I showered at home.

Sir Gene 1:51:18

Oh yeah. You're one of those guys.

Dude Ben 1:51:20

I didn't want to embarrass anyone.

Sir Gene 1:51:21

exactly. So

Dude Ben 1:51:23

this, one of my buddies

Sir Gene 1:51:24

they would've realized you're Japanese.

Dude Ben 1:51:26

No, no, no, no. What one of my buddies in high school, I, I will say I've been in the high school locker room and one of my buddies, someone started making fun of him and called him needle dick you know, in, in the showers. And his, his retort was so sad because he is like, yeah, cuz I fuck like a sewing machine. And I'm standing there and I, I, this is one of my best friends, but I couldn't help it. So you're saying you get the job done or you're saying you finish faster, you know, anyway, it was an embarrassing moment for him, but yeah.

Sir Gene 1:51:57

I don't know. I thought that was a pretty witty response actually, cuz you might get it done faster, but man, the, you know, the, the emotion of the ocean is pretty damn quick in a sewing

Dude Ben 1:52:08

Uhhuh, this tells us a lot about Gene right there. The mo when, when you start talking about the motion of the ocean being the important thing,

Sir Gene 1:52:15

Oh yeah. Well, that's the part that chicks care about. They don't care about you coming. Well, that's, you know, unless, yeah, we could go in a whole separate conversation on there. Yeah, I, I just think that the there, there is a, a good rationale for not dismissing biases.

Dude Ben 1:52:34

Yeah, and I think there's a good rationale for not feeding into them either.

Sir Gene 1:52:40

I don't know what that means.

Dude Ben 1:52:41

Like, so the right level of analysis is always the individual. You can have a bias, you can, you know, say all southerners are dumb, but the, the truth of the matter is there are some southerners who are dumb and there are a lot that are very intelligent. The right level of analysis is the individual. Anytime you have a bias, anytime you have something, there's enough overlap in what is true and what is not, to not be a super reliable source of information.

Sir Gene 1:53:13

A bias is not a source of information. It's, it is what you know about things you don't actually know because you haven't encountered. It's like you could say that you could dislike black people, but then you might meet a black guy and become really good friends.

Dude Ben 1:53:30

Yeah. Again, I judge people on the individual level. That's the

Sir Gene 1:53:34

exactly. Exactly. Judge people on the individual level. But if you disregard all biases that exist, you are increasing your risk of getting in trouble by not knowing what you're getting yourself into.

Dude Ben 1:53:51

Okay.

Sir Gene 1:53:53

That's, that's all it is. That's, that's what a bias is. And they all come from some, you know, they, they don't appear out of thin air. They come from.

Dude Ben 1:54:03

Okay. I, I don't, I I

Sir Gene 1:54:06

And biases don't have to be negative. They could be positive too.

Dude Ben 1:54:09

they can be. But, you know, a again, I, I think the right level of analysis is the individual.

Sir Gene 1:54:18

Oh, I, I agree with that totally. But again, the biases meant for before you have that interaction.

Dude Ben 1:54:24

Hmm. Well, is there anything else we wanna talk about before we get canceled?

Sir Gene 1:54:29

Yeah. He's gonna cancel us. No, I think we, we covered up pretty much everything that I thought about since yesterday. And a few other

Dude Ben 1:54:38

everything that Gene's thought about. That was a surprisingly short list.

Sir Gene 1:54:43

Yeah, totally. And, and now I'm gonna go fly some spacecraft.

Dude Ben 1:54:47

I am gonna go to Sam's and get a lot of stuff caught up and probably spend way too much money.

Sir Gene 1:54:56

What are you buying? Anything fun?

Dude Ben 1:54:58

No, just stuff for the house, you

Sir Gene 1:55:01

Oh, you know what I need to do? I need to drive out.

Dude Ben 1:55:03

anytime you go to Sam's, you're gonna spend, you know, a few hundred dollars. At the very least.

Sir Gene 1:55:09

I need to drive out the gun range and pick up my new gun.

Dude Ben 1:55:13

We need to go to the gun range.

Sir Gene 1:55:15

We do need to go to gun range.

Dude Ben 1:55:18

We need to host a meetup,

Sir Gene 1:55:20

We do need to host a meetup.

Dude Ben 1:55:22

but I think the most likely thing is we're gonna go to the Houston meetup. Right.

Sir Gene 1:55:26

Yeah. Planning on it. Remind me when that is.

Dude Ben 1:55:28

I will have to go back and look. I

Sir Gene 1:55:30

I need to make sure I stick it in my calendar so I don't double book.

Dude Ben 1:55:33

And it's

Sir Gene 1:55:34

think it was a Saturday or something,

Dude Ben 1:55:35

gonna be in Northwest Houston. So it should be an easy ride in on two 90 for you.

Sir Gene 1:55:40

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was surprised that there's a couple that I talked to at the event last night that was from Houston, and I, I asked them how long he took them to get there and they, and they said about two and a half hours.

Dude Ben 1:55:51

Yeah,

Sir Gene 1:55:52

well, that's not a whole lot longer than me.

Dude Ben 1:55:55

no it took me an hour and 45 minutes ish to get up there.

Sir Gene 1:55:59

Mm-hmm. would they have driven by you on their way from Houston, do you think?

Dude Ben 1:56:05

Oh yeah, absolutely.

Sir Gene 1:56:06

Same road, yeah.

Dude Ben 1:56:08

They've gone up Highway six. Same way. Yeah.

Sir Gene 1:56:12

Yeah.

Dude Ben 1:56:13

Yep.

Sir Gene 1:56:13

You know, yeah. Let's, first, let's make sure that we can both make it to the Houston Meetup and then we should figure out, I know a really good gun range in Dallas. It's in Frisco. It's awesome. I was actually one of the charter members there. But then moved before they opened, which sucked. And then there's a really good one here. We should

Dude Ben 1:56:32

There's a good one by me.

Sir Gene 1:56:33

is there a good one?

Dude Ben 1:56:34

Yeah, there's a, there's a look up the C c, C

Sir Gene 1:56:39

Ccp. What?

Dude Ben 1:56:40

C C C gun complex here in College Station. They have like a 1700 yard range for rifle. They've got a hundred yard range for rifle. Then they've got pistol bays that are outdoor, that are,

Sir Gene 1:56:53

Oh, is it an,

Dude Ben 1:56:54

pistol bays

Sir Gene 1:56:55

is it an all outdoor range? It's not an indoor range. Oh,

Dude Ben 1:56:57

All outdoor, which has its you know, ups and downs. But one of the cool things about this is the pistol bays.

Sir Gene 1:57:04

thousand dollars membership fee. Holy fuck.

Dude Ben 1:57:07

Yeah. But you can go for a day pass and it's Friday, April 14th is the Houston Meetup.

Sir Gene 1:57:12

All right. April 14th is a Friday. It's a Friday, okay.

Dude Ben 1:57:21

7:30 PM So anyway this the

Sir Gene 1:57:24

7:30 PM

Dude Ben 1:57:25

Yep.

Sir Gene 1:57:26

Fuck. I might need to stay overnight then.

Dude Ben 1:57:28

Yeah. The, the pistol bays are 25 yards deep and they've got the individual berms and they've got plenty of steel and just fun stuff to shoot, man.

Sir Gene 1:57:38

Okay. Cool.

Dude Ben 1:57:40

Yeah. The, the membership is pricey, but

Sir Gene 1:57:43

Why is it so pricey?

Dude Ben 1:57:45

because they have such a long range, and I mean, anything over a thousand yards is almost impossible to find these days.

Sir Gene 1:57:52

Hmm. Yeah. So the one thing they're missing though is the electric targets which is

Dude Ben 1:57:58

you mean?

Sir Gene 1:57:59

You know, like targets, you can move back and forth by hitting the button

Dude Ben 1:58:04

Why would you need that?

Sir Gene 1:58:05

so you don't have to stop everybody shooting. So everybody stops and everybody walks back and

Dude Ben 1:58:11

Well, where would you need that though?

Sir Gene 1:58:15

at the pistol range. What do you mean?

Dude Ben 1:58:17

But you have your own bay. It's only, it's only one group of people to the, to each bay. So you have your own

Sir Gene 1:58:24

there's no random people there. Okay. How much does bay cost? What do you, how much does that charge?

Dude Ben 1:58:27

No, that's just your day fee. You've got so at this gun range, if you, if you are not a member, You can shoot at the a hundred yard rifle range in the pistol bay for their day

Sir Gene 1:58:37

it looks like they have 10 bays, so you're telling me only 10 people can use the range at a time.

Dude Ben 1:58:42

I think they have like 20 bays and like if you and I are there together, we would share a

Sir Gene 1:58:48

Sure, sure,

Dude Ben 1:58:49

But yeah, no random parties and yeah, you may have to wait, but then there's the a hundred yard rifle range and so on.

Sir Gene 1:58:55

Yeah,

Dude Ben 1:58:55

it's a huge area. And then they also have the 22 range which they have a match 22 range.

Sir Gene 1:59:01

do you know the prices? I don't see prices other than the membership.

Dude Ben 1:59:04

It's like$30 a day for a day fee. But you can go stay as long as you

Sir Gene 1:59:10

You can't shoot anything over 30 caliber.

Dude Ben 1:59:13

Correct.

Sir Gene 1:59:14

Hmm.

Dude Ben 1:59:15

I mean, what do you have that would be over a 30 caliber?

Sir Gene 1:59:18

45.

Dude Ben 1:59:19

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 30 caliber rifle pistol. They don't care.

Sir Gene 1:59:24

oh, it's not really English grammar. Dramatically speaking what it says, but, okay.

Dude Ben 1:59:30

Yeah, they, they're, they're talking about rifle over a 30 caliber, so nothing over like my 300 Remington ultra bag. You know,

Sir Gene 1:59:39

yeah.

Dude Ben 1:59:39

they don't want someone taking a 50 cal out there

Sir Gene 1:59:41

Right, right. Why wouldn't you want me to bring my loop out?

Dude Ben 1:59:45

Huh?

Sir Gene 1:59:47

Bring a 3 38 loop out there.

Dude Ben 1:59:49

Well, that would still be classified as 30 cal.

Sir Gene 1:59:52

Would it

Dude Ben 1:59:53

Yes,

Sir Gene 1:59:54

really? Okay.

Dude Ben 1:59:56

it is a 30 caliber family.

Sir Gene 1:59:58

Hmm. Yeah, no, that looks cool. Maybe that's what we should plan on doing is setting up a whole day full of fun times,

Dude Ben 2:00:07

Yep.

Sir Gene 2:00:09

burn through some ammo.

Dude Ben 2:00:12

Indeed.

Sir Gene 2:00:13

fun to rent? They have like full auto.

Dude Ben 2:00:15

I don't know. They've got a store, I don't know if they rent or not. There now another gun range here in if we want, you know, it's a rainy day or something. We want to just do pistols. There is Champion Firearms in College Station. That's an indoor range and they rent stuff, so,

Sir Gene 2:00:33

Cool, cool, cool. Yeah, there's definitely a few guns that I have not shot yet. That I

Dude Ben 2:00:38

are many guns that I have not shot yet.

Sir Gene 2:00:41

Really? No, I mean, that I bought.

Dude Ben 2:00:45

oh, oh, no, I, I, I'm just talking about in

Sir Gene 2:00:48

Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, I, like, I own guns I haven't shot, so

Dude Ben 2:00:54

I, I do not

Sir Gene 2:00:55

would be nice to get that taken care of. Yeah, that, that so I need to go to the range to pick up that white shotgun that I bought,

Dude Ben 2:01:03

you attract shotgun.

Sir Gene 2:01:05

shotgun. Yeah. So now should I wear the white tracksuit to the store when I pick it up?

Dude Ben 2:01:12

Please don't. But when you pick it up,

Sir Gene 2:01:15

Yeah. When I pick it up? Yeah,

Dude Ben 2:01:16

not at the range, please.

Sir Gene 2:01:18

Not at the range. Why?

Dude Ben 2:01:21

With me. I don't, I don't wanna be, you know, seen with that

Sir Gene 2:01:25

I'm totally doing that now. Fuck yeah. No I think, cuz I have the white Adidas shoes, the white Adidas tracksuit, and then I'll have a white adida. Perfect. All right. Well, anyway, that's all I had say about that.

Dude Ben 2:01:41

Okay.

Sir Gene 2:01:43

We done.

Dude Ben 2:01:43

Yep.

Sir Gene 2:01:44

All right. See you all next week.