Gene 0:24

Howdy, Ben. How you doing today?

Ben 0:26

I'm doing well, Gene. Back on the moat, too.

Gene 0:29

Considering things.

Ben 0:31

Oh, I mean, what happened? Come on. Nothing, like, historic or, you know, potential.

Gene 0:39

I heard

Ben 0:40

war moment continued

Gene 0:42

I

Ben 0:42

well, according to CNN, you know, he was rushed off the stage after loud noises were heard. I mean,

Gene 0:49

I heard his speech was so bad, the Secret Service just pushed him off stage.

Ben 0:55

dude, some of the headlines are just astonishing. Like, how, how can you possibly think that belittling what has happened? Is okay.

Gene 1:10

I I gotta think that this proves the multiverse is real.

Ben 1:15

How so,

Gene 1:17

I guess people are living in two different, completely different worlds here. Or more than two. Mm hmm.

Ben 1:23

uh, that, or people just really don't want to admit that that Trump won yesterday.

Gene 1:33

Yes, it cost him damn near his life though.

Ben 1:37

Yeah. And part of his ear, but I mean, his reaction, the way he stood up

Gene 1:43

Oh yeah.

Ben 1:44

everything, the photo of the American flag in the background, him, his fist raised the secret service, pushing him off and the look on his face, that is an iconic photo that will be in history books.

Gene 1:57

I will, I will say, to play a little bit of a devil's advocate here because one of us has to did you ever see the movie Bob Roberts?

Ben 2:06

I don't know that I ever saw the movie Bob Roberts, but,

Gene 2:10

I would recommend that you watch it. I'm sure plenty of people listening. I've seen it. It came out in the early, early nineties

Ben 2:20

Okay.

Gene 2:21

a movie that I watched as an inspiration to re energize when I was running for a Minnesota house. And,

Ben 2:32

in 1992.

Gene 2:34

yeah, exactly. And it is a, a mockumentary style movie where a fictional British reporter kind of not dissimilar to

Ben 2:51

Yeah, vote first, ask questions later, is the tagline.

Gene 2:55

yeah, where this British reporter guy basically is embedded with and following the political campaign of a. A billionaire Republican running for Senate

Ben 3:11

Mm hmm.

Gene 3:13

and it, and it's, it's actually pretty funny. It's I get a lot of good writing. It's definitely like, like you would expect done from a very liberal perspective. So looking at all, all those evil Republicans kind of viewpoint, however, much like sometimes happens when liberals do comedy, they, they end up memeing themselves.

Ben 3:36

Yeah. And, you know, It's interesting that you're pointing out this movie to me that has that sort of interesting take. Ironically enough, Friday night, I was watching, I caught part of it just because it was on Enemy of the State.

Gene 3:55

Oh yeah, yeah,

Ben 3:57

Kind of a interesting

Gene 3:59

mm hmm, mm hmm. Yeah. And, and there's, there's stuff that comes through that clearly wasn't done

Ben 4:07

You, you

Gene 4:07

a sympathetic way.

Ben 4:08

the roof with the clear line of sight to the president that, you know, Oh, why would this, why would the secret service need to be on that roof? The best meme I've seen thus far on that was the CIA had that roof. Why did we, why did we need to duplicate effort? Yeah.

Gene 4:26

CIA getting slammed again. Yeah, it's and, and Elon Musk copied my tweet yesterday. That was funny. It's, I said cause clearly the, the current director of secret services and GIA hire, and I'm

Ben 4:41

he copied your tweet. He may have just.

Gene 4:44

Thought the same thing. Oh, sure. That's fine. But he did it after I tweeted. So that's, there you go. But

Ben 4:50

He also endorsed Trump yesterday.

Gene 4:52

yeah, I know he's copying all my tweets and and he called for the the resignation of the director of the secret service who I think I might've met because she used to work at one of my clients, but You know, I mean, I, it's, it's, when you have somebody that's not a particularly old woman, that's in charge of something big I think it's reasonable to ask what in her career made her better than all the other qualified people for that role.

Ben 5:26

Yeah. All I can say is that the secret that there, there should be a lot of questions asked about this entire thing. One interview I was watching this morning, who was the CEO of one of the contracting firms that. The secret service uses for security for, because apparently they contract out certain work. Didn't know that, which is kind of interesting and dangerous in so many ways, but he was on one of the news channels this morning and he was saying, this is the fifth attempt on president Trump's life that the other four had not been made public. And it's like, you just did so interesting. Also, the international reaction to this, you know, CNN literally mocked the president. First they said it was nothing that the, you know, Oh, he fell and bah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And then it was, Oh you know, in people calling the stage CNN anchors

Gene 6:27

Mm hmm.

Ben 6:28

alluding to that it might be. And then you have the last straw that this is just, you missed the total point of him standing up pumping his fist and saying fight, which they, the audio was cut by then, which is interesting, but he yelled fight three times and oh, we don't need that kind of rhetoric here. Are you fucking kidding me? The man was just shot regardless if it was a graze, which it looks like it was. It looks like he got extremely lucky.

Gene 7:02

Yeah.

Ben 7:03

He's been grazed and instead of just huddling and hiding, he stands up, pumps his fist in standing above most of the Secret Service agents as they walk him off the stage.

Gene 7:17

As they're hiding. Yeah.

Ben 7:19

Yeah,

Gene 7:19

Yeah. It's it was an incredible photo hop. I gotta say that.

Ben 7:24

You could not have planned it better. Like there is no

Gene 7:28

and

Ben 7:28

this is

Gene 7:29

that I want to,

Ben 7:30

Yeah,

Gene 7:30

yeah, this is the bed that ties in with Bob Roberts is that. The candidate just to give away some of the plot.

Ben 7:39

Oh no. A movie from 1992. You're

Gene 7:41

Yeah. I don't spoilers, spoiler alert, 19, 1992 movie that it towards then the movie, this guy is, looks like he's losing in the polls and of course there's an assassination attempt on him which guarantees his victory. So. And that's why I brought it up because, uh, there, there is guaranteed going to be people that are going to be pointing at that movie and saying, yeah, they're just copying the plot of this thing. Right.

Ben 8:18

response to you when we, we talked yesterday on this, right, we talked day of was Trump won under any normal circumstances, Trump won.

Gene 8:29

And I think under normal circumstances, that's absolutely the case. I'm just not sure that you can apply normal circumstances to today's world. Don't think this will deter. Any of the phony baloney actions that are being planned right now for the elections. I don't, I don't think this will stop the printing of the ballots if you know what I mean.

Ben 8:55

Okay.

Gene 8:56

Trump may well end up being the guy that for the second time gets the most votes of any president ever in the election and still loses.

Ben 9:05

I don't think you can print enough and like the, the sort of landslide that this. If the, if the, if the election were held today, the amount of landslide victory that he would have, he might win fucking California, dude. Like, the videos coming out of LA,

Gene 9:26

Yeah.

Ben 9:27

The, the minority support for him, 50 Cent came out and made comments because people were using his song, Mini Men, a lot. And basically agreed. Kid Rock coming

Gene 9:43

this is the other thing that I tweeted yesterday. He is the most OG presidential candidate in the history now. He's a convicted felon who just survived a drive by shooting.

Ben 9:56

again,

Gene 9:57

stand by

Ben 9:58

and the song many men is being used pretty constantly here.

Gene 10:04

Mm hmm. The song? No, I'm not familiar with the rap though. you

Ben 10:10

Okay. You, you should you should listen to the, at least the start of

Gene 10:16

Okay, let me buy it on iTunes right now.

Ben 10:19

You don't have to buy it on iTunes. You can go get it on YouTube for free.

Gene 10:23

I don't believe in stealing music. Hang

Ben 10:25

It's not stealing music, but

Gene 10:27

iTunes.

Ben 10:30

anyway, it's a dude. I'm telling you there's going to be a remix of that. There's already been some AI versions with Trump's voice. And again, I think Trump wins after this, like I, unless they do another assassination attempt and actually take him out, I think

Gene 10:51

And

Ben 10:51

of a shot.

Gene 10:52

you know, kidding aside, that is still a possibility. I

Ben 10:56

Jones thinks they're going to try and poison him.

Gene 10:58

Yes,

Ben 10:59

came out yesterday and said that.

Gene 11:02

I just had the Alex Jones on live. Pretty much since that event happened. And yeah holy cow, by the way, as a side note, first time I ever said that he had seen his son dude is hyper religious.

Ben 11:14

I'm sorry.

Gene 11:15

Alex Jones kid.

Ben 11:17

Is hyper religious.

Gene 11:18

Yeah.

Ben 11:19

I okay.

Gene 11:21

I mean, like, you know, Alex is obviously Christian, right? And then he, he will occasionally bring up something about we're in the holy war or, you know, God, blah, blah, blah. His kid said. The word God or Jesus Christ every single sentence. It was just like whoa Alex Jones sounded like an atheist compared to his kid So as just decide don't because I've never I've never seen a son before No,

Ben 11:55

the stage with Trump. Did you know that?

Gene 11:57

I didn't

Ben 11:58

Baron was on the stage with Trump when this happened

Gene 12:01

Damn.

Ben 12:02

to the side. And there's a couple of pictures of him afterwards, standing there and The look on his face is, you know, not exactly yielding. So don't know, man. I,

Gene 12:24

Yeah, that's, um,

Ben 12:27

one of the funniest, did you see the the news about Tim being a rush to the hospital on Twitter?

Gene 12:33

no,

Ben 12:35

Tim Kass rushed to the hospital after experiencing an erection lasting more than three hours because of the unfolding civil war. Like, people are making fun of Tim. But, you know, I, I'm telling you, I, I told relatives yesterday, this could be the Fran and you, this could be the Franz Ferdinand moment of the Second American Civil War. In so many ways.

Gene 12:59

Yeah.

Ben 13:00

Or the burning of the Reichstag, depending on how you look at it.

Gene 13:03

Yeah. I, I kinda I think this will rile more people up to actually get involved. And I, and I had said, you know, controversially to some, I'm sure on Twitter yesterday, I, I started calling for McCarthyism. Like, this is, this is what happens when you start letting socialists run wild. I think everybody that's ever been in Antifa March needs to be in prison right now.

Ben 13:31

Yeah, I'm not a totalitarian, and I believe in free speech absolutely, so

Gene 13:36

You're an idiot. I'm sorry. But free

Ben 13:38

and Elon Musk, you know, have the same opinion there,

Gene 13:41

Musk will be on my side shortly. Free speech only works when everybody respects free speech. When there's a group of people who openly, and there are two groups right now, one is Antifa and the other one is jihadists who openly talk about Removing the United States in its current form from the planet. You can't stick your hand in the sand like an ostrich and say free speech, free speech, free speech. No, you have to look at the actions that people are taking and they can say their free speech while they're walking around a prison yard. Thank you.

Ben 14:25

yeah

Gene 14:25

going to lose the fucking country because people are not willing to fight

Ben 14:29

I am willing to fight back

Gene 14:32

but that's the

Ben 14:33

gonna have to burn down before we can replace it with anything. And I think that if we, if we fight by contradicting our principles, then we lose anyway. So what

Gene 14:46

Here's the, maybe here's a distinction between you and me.

Ben 14:49

Hold on. Let me, let me just say this. Okay, harmed one's property, one's person, one's liberty. Anything short of that is not a crime and should not be persecuted. Speech, most chiefly among that, is sacrosanct and I may, I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say

Gene 15:14

Yeah. And you're going to

Ben 15:15

up with that and

Gene 15:16

socialists will be alive. Yes.

Ben 15:18

no, because when,

Gene 15:20

Because you're going to defend the people that want to kill you.

Ben 15:24

yes.

Gene 15:25

Yes. And you'll be dead and I'll be alive.

Ben 15:28

No, because when they try and kill me, I will fight back.

Gene 15:31

No, you won't because you'll be protecting the right.

Ben 15:34

No, no, no. Because, you have to understand,

Gene 15:36

No, no, no, they can kill you without shooting you. They don't have to do actions that you will consider violent for them to kill you.

Ben 15:45

Okay, and how will they do

Gene 15:47

Read Solzhenitsyn.

Ben 15:48

I have.

Gene 15:50

Then, you ought to know what I'm talking about.

Ben 15:52

Okay, yeah, and,

Gene 15:55

We're heading very fast towards where the Soviet Union was in the 19, late 20s.

Ben 16:04

Yeah, I, I, I said this yesterday, This is either the kickoff of potentially the second,

Gene 16:09

Mm hmm.

Ben 16:10

Civil war or a communist revolution. Completely agree that we can go that way. I think part of the way we ensure that we don't go that way is by actually sticking to our fucking principles. Sacrificing our principles to save the whole doesn't do us any good. And if that's what needs to happen to save the country, then fuck it. Text it. Let's go. Let's leave. Let's just do our own thing. You know, get the hell out. Let California and New York run the rest of the nation and let it burn. I

Gene 16:39

I'm not, yeah, I, I don't, Mm hmm. I'm not against that at all. I think that's perfectly adequate. But my point is that Do you what you don't think that 48 percent of the population in Texas still won't vote for Trump? Texas is not a red state. Texas is a barely pink state. So saying Texas, Texas. Yeah, it sounds

Ben 17:05

because of the immigrants,

Gene 17:07

Dude, we just added over a million people across the border to Texas.

Ben 17:13

Yeah, this is not a good

Gene 17:14

We added multiple millions to the entire country. A lot of them have been kicked out of Texas, but there's still over a million that are brand new in Texas that are undocumented.

Ben 17:24

Yep. Problem.

Gene 17:27

Yeah, so it's not like Texas is an 80 percent stronghold of red here.

Ben 17:33

Yeah Texas does have voter ID, which is a good thing. So that helps. You know, you have to show your driver's license when you vote.

Gene 17:42

Yeah.

Ben 17:42

Which driver's license or any form of ID is,

Gene 17:47

Hard to get in Texas, which is good.

Ben 17:49

is not that hard to get. And here, here's the thing.

Gene 17:52

Wow. It was for me.

Ben 17:53

I really wish we did not have I am torn on the voter ID and the reason why I'm torn on voter ID is because I don't believe you should have to have an ID period, right? Like fundamental, call me crazy libertarian here, but I, I don't think identification is something that you should have to have, but regardless proving that I live where I live and I should vote in the, the election I'm voting in. I have no. Problem with that.

Gene 18:27

Mm hmm.

Ben 18:28

So I think that one, the illegal influx across the border isn't going to necessarily, we'll see what impact it has on the elections. Um, and two I know of some New Yorkers that moved down here recently, some friends of mine, and they moved from upstate New York, Rochester area, and they're here in Texas, they're Texas transplants, and they're absolutely good people, and aligned very well from a They are very much refugees, and it's, it's good to get people like that.

Gene 19:12

It is.

Ben 19:13

I think you have a

Gene 19:14

every one of them, there's a, one of other types of New

Ben 19:17

anecdotal and you're in Austin, dude, you, you are in the San Francisco of

Gene 19:21

I'm seeing what you're not. I'm seeing a huge influx of

Ben 19:26

and my point is I'm seeing what you're not.

Gene 19:30

Yeah. Great.

Ben 19:32

And by the way, these people live in the woodlands and outside of Houston and you know, there's, there's, there, this is a big state,

Gene 19:40

Yeah.

Ben 19:41

so there's some geographic diversity to how we all think and act. So, I don't know, man.

Gene 19:46

my point, look, what you can't argue with is how close the elections are here in Texas. You look at the map and you see that the four biggest cities and you, it's fun to point in Austin because it is the extreme of the liberal voting, but it is certainly not the only place people vote liberal. You look at all four big cities are overwhelmingly voting liberal.

Ben 20:09

You mean,

Gene 20:10

For Canada dates. I don't mean for why, who am I missing?

Ben 20:15

Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, Fort Worth,

Gene 20:18

Oh, I'm sorry. I consider DFW to be one city, but

Ben 20:21

Yeah, it's really not, though.

Gene 20:24

It

Ben 20:26

city, it'd be like, one of the largest cities in, you know,

Gene 20:30

is. I think it is. I think we have two of the largest cities in the nation. And, yeah.

Ben 20:42

Belined by the fact that the surrounding areas and, you know, the suburbs and mid cities and Dallas DFW are not counted as part of the city.

Gene 20:53

Yeah, yeah. But, practically speaking, when I lived in Dallas, there's plenty of shit that I went to the suburbs of Fort Worth to get. Like I, I wasn't in downtown Fort Worth a whole lot, but just cause I was on the Dallas side doesn't mean I never went west.

Ben 21:09

I mean, all I can say is the mid cities have grown up to the point where from Dallas to Fort worth is continuous city and there's a lot of stuff in between.

Gene 21:22

even Austin driving down to San Antonio, there's only about a five mile stretch that isn't a city

Ben 21:28

Mm hmm.

Gene 21:29

Of it is pretty contiguous.

Ben 21:31

Anyway, it's, it's getting pretty nuts with the growth of the state, but.

Gene 21:36

it is, and I, I would love nothing more than for Texas to be getting, all the people that are running away from liberal politics and not wanting to see liberal politics, but being where I am, the people that I interact with and meet first of all, I've, I've only been here for, and I, I, in my mind, it's still an only, but I've only been here for 14 years in Austin. Am by far the most Longest living person in Austin of anybody that I interact with.

Ben 22:10

yeah, I,

Gene 22:11

else is important.

Ben 22:12

I think you kind of get it though, that you are on the, a liberal side of the spectrum of where Texas is. Right. Going back to the Trump assassination attempt.

Gene 22:26

I'm, I'm on the liberal extreme side for sure. Cause Austin is predominantly liberal.

Ben 22:33

Yeah. Did you see the secret service? A female agent who couldn't even re holster her gun. I mean, Why does

Gene 22:40

yeah, I, I noticed that. Yeah.

Ben 22:42

five female

Gene 22:43

I think we all know the answer to that

Ben 22:47

no. I, why? Because of DEI and they're trying to kill him anyway, or what? Yeah. But these aren't hot chicks. So I don't think he, you know,

Gene 22:55

No, no. Did you ever watch a veep? Another good show. Another show. That's kind of liberal, but actually makes it's hilarious. I really enjoyed watching we cause it pokes fun at everything, Washington, including secret service. Um, it's yeah, I think this will definitely be a black mark on secret service because that they traditionally have been a cut a jib above the other branches. Certainly in my experience and I, and I've done presentations for them through conservatives in my past life. And it's there, these guys typically are the first to throw themselves in harm's way unlike the other branches of government but they This is clearly a failure on their part. And I think it has to be a failure on multiple levels. You can't just describe this to a couple of people that didn't do their job. This, this is, I think, a structural failure. So hopefully somebody big is gonna take the fall for it and resign rather than somebody lower down.

Ben 23:58

Yeah. Well, there was a couple things. I don't know if you saw the footage that I sent you of the The BBC interview with a guy who saw the shooter on the roof and tried to tell police. And he even said in that interview, why is Trump still speaking? And now there's the rumor that's coming out that the counter snipers that if you've watched the footage clearly had a beat on the guy.

Gene 24:26

Yeah.

Ben 24:26

And the counter snipers had a request to take him out and that was denied. And then that's why they waited until he opened up fire. But they, if you, there there's, there's footage of the snipers that clearly he's on him and as soon as he starts firing, he fires and I don't know.

Gene 24:46

Joe Biden did say it's time to put a bullseye on Trump, so.

Ben 24:50

Yeah. It, that, that, that tweet did not, or that comment did not age well considering that happened on the eighth.

Gene 24:58

Yeah, exactly. I think somebody, I think probably a lot more than one person took him literally at that. Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Ben 25:07

I mean, you're assuming this is just the, you know, oh, won't someone rid me of this troublesome priest mentality versus CIA, you know, it's really time to end this.

Gene 25:20

do assassinations.

Ben 25:21

Okay.

Gene 25:22

I'm just gonna keep it dead air for a little longer to make it funnier. If it's CIA, then they did a piss poor job.

Ben 25:29

That or it's sending a message.

Gene 25:31

Can buy that this guy quote unquote missed. He didn't totally miss, but he was close to miss. But I find it much more difficult than this 20 year old punk is going to be so fucking accurate. Or are you doing the second gunman theory? Are you, are we going there though?

Ben 25:50

well, there, there is some evidence for more than one gunman. So there were a total of five shots fired by the, by the assassin, or

Gene 26:01

Mm hmm. Mm

Ben 26:02

There are some very interesting footage of what appears to be, you know, a vapor trail from the bullet going behind Trump's head, which is just astonishing. There is some footage that shows what look like bullet holes in Trump's suit. Even though the, as of this morning, they're saying just the one round that pierced his ear is what hit him. But, you know, when he gets hit the first time he had just turned his head and, you know, it, Had he been turned the other direction still, he'd be dead.

Gene 26:42

I'm sure the Zapruder films will be coming out shortly.

Ben 26:45

We've seen the equivalent. But, okay.

Gene 26:49

sure there's somebody standing there with a phone that,

Ben 26:51

And for those who don't know, the Zapruder films are the films of the JFK assassination that were recorded by an individual.

Gene 27:01

private citizen.

Ben 27:02

yeah. And really have thrown into question a lot of things. Because, A, it's a more complete film. Film and B it's a different angle that really anyone who, and let's just say this, have you been to the book repository in Dallas?

Gene 27:21

No, I used to live there and I've driven by it plenty of times, but I've never actually gotten to

Ben 27:26

Okay. You, you need to go there. Because you know, I've always kind of poo pooed. Yes. Okay. Maybe there was a second gunman, whatever, but you know, maybe the heart, I always just thought the Harvey Oswald was the shooter and he was the fall guy and Patsy for the CIA.

Gene 27:44

Mm hmm.

Ben 27:45

Here's what I would say. Anyone who has shot guns, any amount or any extent, you get up in that corner and know where the motorcade came down and where they turned. And know where the shot was taken and tell me that's where you would shoot because you wouldn't like the the he He would literally have to be leaning back I mean it would be awkward versus when they were coming directly down the road at him would have been the time to take the

Gene 28:14

And not turning and not moving in the wrong sideways.

Ben 28:17

And I mean and and to get off that many shots that quickly with the gun that he had is just Okay, yes, maybe a well trained person could do that, not turned and aiming the way he was. Sorry, no. Like, that's just not possible. So, I don't know, going there and seeing that made me question a lot. Anyway,

Gene 28:41

Yeah. The, I think Saturday Night Live did a skit of Zapruder back like 30, 40 years ago, which was pretty funny where they had him at various stages in life. Like he's a little kid in kindergarten. And you know, he's randomly drawing pictures and like a, a school bully beats somebody up in front of him. And then he's like a teenager and then he's, you know, randomly taking photographs or something. And there's another crime that's like the idea being that everything this guy shoots, there's something major happening right in front of him while he's doing it.

Ben 29:20

mm hmm.

Gene 29:21

It was pretty funny. I guess you had to see it, but do think I do think that

Ben 29:27

I do believe.

Gene 29:28

do believe that's right. That what we're going to end up having out of this is a much more divided country than we've ever had. Which, I, I, I think goes to Tim Poole's Civil War, and goes to yours, Brexit,

Ben 29:46

Text

Gene 29:46

Texit. Yeah, why, why did I say Brexit? That already happened. We already got that and it didn't do jack shit.

Ben 29:54

Yeah the British have a little different resolve than we do.

Gene 29:57

I hope so, man. And just to very briefly change topic, we can come back to it. I've been watching Jeremy Clarkson's Farm.

Ben 30:05

Oh, such a great show.

Gene 30:07

And, yeah. And It's, for such a show with, that's so fun to watch and entertaining, the budget is fucking pathetically small for that thing. Jeremy's making money hand over fist on this. Probably a lot more from the show than he is from the farm. But man, I cannot imagine living in the UK and not starting a revolution given all the completely absurd, ridiculous, fucked up, idiotic rules that he has to put up with.

Ben 30:58

And the way the Karen's of the town

Gene 31:00

The whole fucking town is a Cairn. I mean, like, how, how, how do you live? Back in the olden days, he would have just bought their land and evicted them. Which I'm all for him doing, incidentally. But you know, given their current socialist form of government, he can't do that. Bring back the monarchy.

Ben 31:24

So in no, we are not bringing back a

Gene 31:27

Not us, them. I'm talking about them.

Ben 31:30

very quickly.

Gene 31:31

Heh heh heh heh.

Ben 31:33

So yesterday, apparently 50 cents on his stage because of everybody putting these memes up and everything yesterday evening. Literally changed the background on his stage backdrop to put Trump's head over his body, like, I'll, I'll send you the thing here.

Gene 31:54

Send me that link. I'm sure it's all over Twitterverse, but I haven't logged in this morning.

Ben 31:59

Anyway, the point is you know, you have your view of why Trump will win the black vote. I have my view of why Trump will win the black vote, but we'll see.

Gene 32:12

What's your view?

Ben 32:13

I, I think he's been trending that way for a while. And when you. Persecute someone to the point that they have, when you jump the shark in the way that they jump. Has been done, you know, if this really is the fifth assassination attempt and the first one, that's really public. First of all, it'll be interesting to see how Trump drops that bomb because at this point there will be no argument from the secret service as to why he can't talk about

Gene 32:43

Mm hmm.

Ben 32:44

because A, it's been talked about publicly and B dude, I was just shot. Fuck you. So it'll be interesting there. I, I really think that when

Gene 32:55

you imagine the prison cred he's gonna have?

Ben 32:58

I don't think he's going to ever go to prison, but yes, he's going to have a lot of street cred. Yes. Anyway. And I think that that does help him there. I think this is going to more than anything, just changing subject a little bit here. I think this, if you're Trump, alters your VP considerations drastically.

Gene 33:18

Really? You think? You know what, wait

Ben 33:20

I have to choose someone that is unacceptable to the deep state so that they don't want to assassinate me.

Gene 33:28

Interesting.

Ben 33:29

I'm scared, don't assassinate me, I'll, I, if he chooses Marco Rubio after this, Trump's compromised. If he chooses Vivek after this, it's a big fuck you.

Gene 33:43

Yeah, I would agree. I still don't see him choosing Vivec. I mean, I'm in, I'm part of the Vivec group on, on X.

Ben 33:51

Mm hmm.

Gene 33:51

And it, you know, it's all rah, rah, Vivek kind of stuff in there, which again, I, I really think Vivek is the best candidate. I think it's way better candidate than Trump. I think he would do a better job than Trump. What Vivek lacks is, is, is. An assassination attempt. He, he lacks street cred, as you pointed out. And unfortunately, I think that's part of why a lot of people find it difficult to connect with Vivek. Because having good ideas and a very good control of his, like he's good at what I'm not clearly, cause I'm trying to say it is he's very good at speaking. He's very good at getting the point across clearly. In very concise language. And unfortunately that's not enough.

Ben 34:43

All I'm saying is, if, alright, let's say it's not Vivek. Let's say it's someone else. But if it's Rubio,

Gene 34:53

oh yeah,

Ben 34:53

is a, Trump is, You know, I would read that as Trump is scared of the deep state and going along with that because I think Rubio is a deep state shill.

Gene 35:04

Oh yeah. I, I'd agree with that.

Ben 35:06

If it's Burgum, I think, okay, that's kind of midway between Pence and Vivek, right? Like really Doug Burgum is pretty decent on policies. He's got some good stuff, but he's really

Gene 35:20

about that guy whose wife just got assassinated?

Ben 35:25

Yes. Oh my God. Thomas

Gene 35:27

would be, Massey would be a very good fuck you.

Ben 35:29

Oh my God. Yes. But will he do that? You know, a, that's a sitting congressman that then you're going to have a runoff election for and everything else. And what's going to happen there? Or an out of cycle election, not a runoff, but anyway but no Thomas Massey. Would be absolutely excellent, except I don't want to take him out of Congress, right? Vivek's not in Congress. So taking him as one thing, but Thomas Massey would be I would love him as VP for a couple of reasons. One, his politics are spot on. And number two, he's in the house right now and he knows the procedures of the house very, very well, but translate that to a. Actual active vice president who actually provides over the Senate like if Thomas Massey could go into the Senate and Actually take up the role of the vice president in the Senate as president of the Senate and run it the way he intends And fuck you Chuck Schumer. I don't care if you're the majority leader It's my legislative agenda, not yours and actually run the Senate the way it's supposed to be run from a very strong, he could totally change the dynamics of the way this country works as far as going back to an actual legislative regime that can be moved outside of the political

Gene 36:50

like, that I think would be a smart move for Trump. At this point, is to have him in there.

Ben 36:55

Would do it, but you know, to your

Gene 36:58

think Massey wouldn't do it? I mean, Trump's been shot now. Any request he has is gonna be granted.

Ben 37:03

I don't know, dude. You may have gotten shot, but my wife is dead. Like

Gene 37:08

What, is she gonna come back?

Ben 37:10

No, but Massey's got kids, man. And I, I'm, I'm sorry.

Gene 37:15

nothing better than getting a secret service detail around you 24 7.

Ben 37:20

he,

Gene 37:20

the kids.

Ben 37:21

yeah.'cause that did Trump a lot of good,

Gene 37:24

fair enough.

Ben 37:25

You

Gene 37:25

in general, in general.

Ben 37:27

Uhhuh. I don't know. I, I, I, I, do you agree with me that Massey's wife dying

Gene 37:33

Oh, she was assassinated. There's no two

Ben 37:34

That's, I mean, that is really my read as well. Like, I don't know how you can view

Gene 37:40

to stop pretending that assassinations don't happen in the United States.

Ben 37:45

Then, yes, but You know, this is a couple pretty big public ones in short order, let's just put it that way.

Gene 37:52

Yeah. It's

Ben 37:54

to anyone who thinks that you know, Civil War is not a possibility in this nation I, I think we came very, very close yesterday. And I don't think it's over with. I think that there will be some agent provocateurs that go off and, Are MAGA mad about them shooting our president and

Gene 38:15

tweeted yesterday clean your guns, boys

Ben 38:18

and here, here's the thing. I think that there will be some backlash. I think there will be some actual people who do go and engage in things that, you know, maybe they should or shouldn't. But I think the op, the opportunity for a agent provocateur to either Rile some people up and get them to go do something or just a false flag event is very, very high right

Gene 38:46

mm hmm, mm

Ben 38:47

And I think that the, had Trump died yesterday, had they, had he actually been assassinated?

Gene 38:56

hmm,

Ben 38:57

I don't see a way that you don't have a civil war in this country. I, we came. So close to that, like I, the outrage and the, like you would see a true brother against brother civil war had Trump died yesterday. Like, as soon as there's an Antifa riot or something, I would not be surprised to see those, like, there to be violence.

Gene 39:22

as there should be, yes.

Ben 39:24

Mm hmm. Okay. Look, I am not someone who thinks that violence is never the answer. I, I think that's a

Gene 39:30

violence is always the answer,

Ben 39:32

not always the answer, but It is the ultimate answer that when someone does not listen to you, that is the direction you have to go. You can argue, you can persuade, you can talk and you should be open to it as well and try and come to a compromise. But when you never come to a compromise,

Gene 39:51

with communists.

Ben 39:52

when you never come to a compromise, when you never come to a agreement where it is. reciprocal and acceptable to both parties and this continues and continues and continues. Ultimately, you end up in a fistfight and you know, when, when nations end up in fistfights, that's called a war. It's just the way

Gene 40:17

You're, you're Kind of making my point at the opener of this thing, which is free speech only works if both sides respected when one of the sides is openly intent on wiping you off the face of the planet, you cannot just act to them the same way that you would to another rational being who disagrees with you. There's a difference between somebody that disagrees with you and somebody who's stated policy. Is to kill you.

Ben 40:48

Okay. Let's, let's reset this a little bit. I believe that Free speech, for example,

Gene 40:58

I am.

Ben 40:59

wants to stand up on the street and quote the communist manifesto, or say I'm a fascist or do whatever, I have no problem with that when they start destroying things. Okay. Now we've got a problem because now you're committing a crime, an actual crime in my mind.

Gene 41:14

about when they start shooting presidential candidates?

Ben 41:17

Okay. And if we can identify the group that was involved in that, because I don't believe this man acted alone. Maybe he did, but

Gene 41:25

Well, he's a, he was an Antifa.

Ben 41:29

Then we should be questioning his compatriots and arresting them. You know, if they had any involvement in the planning or anything like that.

Gene 41:38

Yeah. And everybody that supported Antifa is as guilty.

Ben 41:41

No. Okay, so guilt by association is bullshit, and I will never support that. And yes, I realize that that opens me up to a cell structure like mentality because, you know, they're associated but they don't have direct knowledge and etc. etc. I'm fine with that. I accept that as terms.

Gene 42:01

Yeah. You're only, and I don't want to point the finger at you, Ben, because I think you're way better than most of the population here. But I will say that there's a certain naivete that exists in this country in terms of attitudes about people that genuinely want to kill you. Like, American people tend to have a very rosy picture of everybody. And they want to trust everybody and they want to be pleasant with everybody. Like there's there's not enough mistrust of others. And I think that is something that can lead to the downfall of the country. And frankly, I think a lot of what we're seeing right now is a direct result of that sort of too much trust happening. In the second half of the 20th century, the attitude of where the greatest country on the earth. Everybody loves us. And our enemies are very clearly identified. You know, even right now, everyone keeps trying to pull its strands and point there at Russia, Russia, Russia for anything bad happening here, or to some extent China. The reality is when do you stop pointing the finger at somebody that may have sparked the fire, but that was 30, 40 years ago, because now you've got a generation of local fires getting bigger and bigger here and start actually pointing the finger at them just because someone's in the American doesn't mean they're the good guy. What kind of American are you?

Ben 43:43

Have you seen the new Civil War movie?

Gene 43:46

That's why I'm referencing that quote.

Ben 43:48

Just making sure I

Gene 43:49

But no, I have not seen it yet. It's a my to to watch

Ben 43:51

Okay. Yeah, I, I don't disagree there. Look, when you look at what what was the KGB officer's name who said

Gene 44:03

Yeah. Yeah. Everybody knows who you're talking about.

Ben 44:05

you know, when you look at the generations that have grown up to be, be honest, to be pacifists and cucked in a way that is unacceptable, like my generation was told over and over again, violence is never the answer. That's just clearly a lie and not true, right? Any thoughtful person can see that whether it's in your interpersonal life or states, there are times when that is necessary. I agree. And what I would say is the Soviet Union was very, very intelligent by attacking our educational institutions and moving us in that direction. And I really believe that me growing up hearing violence is never the answer is part of that. Moving us to say, you know, Hey, we have to be pacifists. We have to do this and quite frankly, instilling what became Antifa and became this. Socialist social, and I'm saying social, not socialist, social Marxism or race, racial Marxism that has come about that is a different twinge. It is not the Marxism of the USSR by any stretch. And that's why we have a hard time identifying it and saying this is my enemy and this is what we need to fight. There are moments of clarity, like. Yesterday, when people saw the CNN headlines and the MSNBC headlines and so on okay, that's evil. That, that's my enemy here, right? The truth, I saw the video, I saw what happened. And, you know, this, this memory holing of this event is not going to work. And I think it's a clear line drawn. And if you think back to 1984, what was the state's most last and final commandment?

Gene 45:59

1984. Oh, sorry. I, I'm, my brain went to the shooting of Reagan. I was like, that wasn't an 84. Yeah. That was earlier. I don't remember which one was the last one.

Ben 46:15

That you the I'm pulling up the quote

Gene 46:18

Yeah. Oh, you asked me cause you were hoping I would remember. No, I don't.

Ben 46:22

No, no, no, no. I know the general, but I want to quote it exactly. The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final and most essential command. And that, that is

Gene 46:33

don't, who are you going to believe, your lying eyes?

Ben 46:35

Exactly. And I mean, but that, that is really what we saw yesterday. Everyone saw this and then you see these headlines. And I immediately thought to Ingsoc. I immediately thought to 1984. I immediately thought to the propaganda machines and I get it. But how do we combat this without losing ourselves? Is my entire stanza.

Gene 46:59

Yep. You've read von Klauschwitz, right?

Ben 47:05

Couldn't say that

Gene 47:07

You've read von Klauschwitz, Karl von Klauschwitz?

Ben 47:11

I don't believe so.

Gene 47:12

So he was regarded as one of the, the great military minds of the, I think the 19th century, I guess it would be. But, you know, he's got a lot of famous quotes about war and, and the military. Mm hmm. But one of the ones that I definitely ran is, is war is just a continuation of, of politics by other

Ben 47:35

yeah. I do know that quote,

Gene 47:36

Yeah. So that was him. And then another one that I didn't know before, but as I pull them up here popped out, which is a pretty good one. This is the conqueror is always a lover of peace. He would prefer to take over our country unimposed. And that's the bit that I think finally, a few folks are waking up to socialism on is that it's not a country. It's an ideology, much like Islam, where you have to recognize that this is not a coexistence ideology. This is a domination and conquest ideology. And that's why opposing it. Can't be treated in the same way as you would simply oppose somebody with a different idea.

Ben 48:28

did you watch The Culture War?

Gene 48:32

No.

Ben 48:33

You did not watch The Culture War from Friday?

Gene 48:35

I've only seen clips here and there. I've really haven't been watching Tim Cast or Culture of War

Ben 48:41

Alright, Culture War from Friday. He had Sargon Avocado on there, and another guy, and it was very much worth watching. And it's very much worth watching because quite frankly, they're talking about what's going on in Great Britain, and

Gene 48:55

going on.

Ben 48:56

Heheheheh. Yeah? Yeah? Anyway,

Gene 49:02

Yeah, Carl Benjamin's a good, he's a good guy. I wish he would have not done the whole cartoony thing that he did earlier on in his career, he would have, I think, been more popular.

Ben 49:13

Why?

Gene 49:14

I, cause I think a lot of people can't take shit like that seriously. It's like, dude, don't hide behind the cartoon. Don't give a fake name. Just, you know, you've got interesting philosophical ideas. Come out with them.

Ben 49:29

Okay. But

Gene 49:30

How many shows do you watch that have a little cartoon character? When you have kids, I guess that's

Ben 49:35

he's a very deep philosophical thinker right there. There's no doubting

Gene 49:41

He's yeah. And he, he historically liberal.

Ben 49:47

Yes. I would say classically liberal.

Gene 49:49

No, I mean, historically, like he's voted for mostly liberals over his lifetime.

Ben 49:54

Yeah. Fine, but I'm okay. And

Gene 49:58

I'm saying that just to highlight the fact that the, the current liberals have moved further and further left towards communism, leaving people like him, that would have been a kind of a libertarian liberal or a centrist liberal, leaving them basically to be called conservative.

Ben 50:21

okay.

Gene 50:23

I mean, that's why I've always said, and I think you'd probably agree with me on this, that in an ideal world, I would be perceived as the liberal opposition.

Ben 50:36

Yeah. I, I think we both would be

Gene 50:38

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's why I said you'd agree with me. Cause I think we both in an ideal world would be on that leftist side because we want too much freedom.

Ben 50:50

yeah.

Gene 50:51

But we're, we're. perceived as, you know, racist, far right extremists because the the over in the windows shifted so far.

Ben 51:03

I, I'm no racist. Sure.

Gene 51:06

Sorry. Couldn't help myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I,

Ben 51:11

Look, what it comes down to is, I agree with you that the Overton window has moved further than we should have allowed it to. I think stuff like yesterday, if it doesn't start to shift it back, then we're done. If Trump doesn't win in a landslide from this, we're done. I think that's the only way to interpret this. If, if Trump comes out of this and selects Marco Rubio as his vice president this next week, we're done.

Gene 51:49

So One of my greatest disappointments this year, or I guess it was last year, I guess it was technically last year was seeing just how small a percentage of the vote Vivek got in the primaries, because I knew he wouldn't obviously be Trump. But I thought there were a lot more people. That saw how good he is

Ben 52:20

Yeah, but I, but you have people like me. Okay. I, I absolutely love the vague. I still voted for Trump.

Gene 52:32

Why would you do that?

Ben 52:33

A,

Gene 52:34

was guaranteed and there's no reason to vote for

Ben 52:36

hold on, hold on, huh? Because by the time that it got to me, Trump was, it was done.

Gene 52:43

Exactly. So that's the perfect opportunity to demonstrate who you actually want.

Ben 52:47

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Gene 52:49

This is why I voted in the past before they fucked themselves over. Why I voted libertarian in a lot of elections. When it didn't really matter, because then I can vote my conscience instead of trying to pick the lesser of two evils.

Ben 53:05

Yeah, yeah, I, I, I get ya. But, anyway, my point is, I think a lot of the reason why Vivek did not get the vote that you would have thought he would, is basically because those people voted for Trump.

Gene 53:22

I know, I know that. But my point is, I keep overestimating the American public.

Ben 53:30

How so?

Gene 53:31

I know, maybe people think I'm underestimating, but no. Because I keep thinking that they're more intelligent than they actually are.

Ben 53:38

you.

Gene 53:38

I can still hear you.

Ben 53:40

Okay, I got it back.

Gene 53:41

Okay. Because I, I keep thinking they're more intelligent than they actually are. And the American public on both sides of the aisle. But You know, it seems to be just more of a generalized thing. Keeps doing things that are just, they're not horrible necessarily, but they're kind of dumb. Like trying to play nice with Democrats.

Ben 54:05

Yeah I, dude, I think the conservatives that are holding this country together and abiding by the rule of law are really those men that just want to be left alone. And when I say men, I'm using, you know, men and women, but men, because we have a monopoly on violence. Thank you very much.

Gene 54:30

Mhm.

Ben 54:31

As evidenced by the ineptness of the secret service agents protecting Trump.

Gene 54:35

Yeah.

Ben 54:36

Regardless, what it comes down to is want to be left alone. And there is a hesitancy to. Snap and go off the rails as there should be right?

Gene 54:55

It's time to man up.

Ben 54:56

Okay. The problem is as soon as that snaps, there is no coming back from it.

Gene 55:00

Good.

Ben 55:01

Okay. I, I, I don't know if it's good, bad or what, but man, it, as soon as that cuts loose, that that's it. Like you kind of have to recognize that. Okay.

Gene 55:17

or I could just wait for nothing to happen, which is what's been going on for the last decade. Other than grumbling, you know, I, I think that there's a there's certainly a bit of truth in what you're saying, but I think that's also a convenient excuse because the reality is. Most men will stand by and watch evil happen for fear of losing their job because their families are the most important thing and they're living paycheck to paycheck and they're going to be willing to do the dirty work because they can't afford to lose their job. That's reality.

Ben 56:03

Maybe.

Gene 56:04

We have not seen an example contrary to that in this country in many, many years.

Ben 56:11

Okay. I can't disagree with you, but

Gene 56:15

So I would love to

Ben 56:17

especially with your many, many years qualifier there

Gene 56:19

I would love to take you at what you're saying. And it's like, Oh man, we better be careful. We're going to unleash the tiger here. You know, and I'm sure there is some point at which that could happen.

Ben 56:29

mean, historically, that is what has happened. You have to recognize that.

Gene 56:33

well, historically, how bad do you want things to get? Do you want

Ben 56:38

Oh, it's got to get bad.

Gene 56:40

Yeah, and

Ben 56:41

has to.

Gene 56:42

I thought that more people, when they learned in fucking grade school, the words of Jefferson about the tree of Liberty needing to get fertilized now and then,

Ben 56:53

Watered.

Gene 56:54

more of them would take that to heart the way that I did. And we say there are certain things that are worth fighting for. And by fighting, I mean dying. And I just, I keep looking around, I'm like, yeah, I guess it's the same number of people that voted for Vivek that actually believe that.

Ben 57:13

No, here's the problem. So one, you've got the baby boomers that are old. And they're not physically able to fight. You have the gen axers that are, quite frankly, getting there. And then the gen axers and the millennials and the younger groups, this goes back to what I was saying about violence is never the answer and being taught that, that, you know, you must exhaust everything before you go that route. That's why we're not seeing a jump to violence, dude. And this is what I, I, I, that was not a shaggy dog story that was purposefully told for this exact point is that I believe in violence. I'm someone who says, you know, you can only say so much and do so much to me before I start swinging.

Gene 58:08

Mm hmm.

Ben 58:10

Fully believe that in my life

Gene 58:13

Mm hmm.

Ben 58:14

But even I am hesitant to suggest. That it is time for politically motivated violence. And I'm about as extreme as you can get on the millennial side.

Gene 58:29

Yeah. From your, your millennial cohort, you're definitely on that side.

Ben 58:35

Okay, so that's why, that's what's tying our hands and holding us back in

Gene 58:40

But it's a self created restraint.

Ben 58:43

self created. That's my entire, it's not self created. That's the point. That's the problem. This is institutionalized and this was part of the Marxist takeover of our schools in a lot of ways.

Gene 58:57

Do you know what, what happened on January 6th

Ben 59:02

Yes.

Gene 59:03

could have had a immensely different end result if more people had stood up and said, no. Mm hmm.

Ben 59:14

I could, yeah, especially afterwards with the arrests.

Gene 59:19

That's why I am talking about the rest. I'm not like January 7th, January 8th. If more people would have stood up and said no, what happened there was perfectly within the rights of the people. Instead, what we had is everybody kind of going you know, maybe those folks shouldn't have gone to Washington. And I mean like conservatives saying that. More people were, this, this is the dirty little secret that I think the U. S. has, is

Ben 59:52

hmm.

Gene 59:53

and it's not just the U. S., I, I don't want to make it sound like I'm picking on this country, on the country that I'm living in, is why I'm talking about it, because I don't care about the other countries that have this problem. Like, I think all of Europe has this problem and plenty of other places in the world, but the one I'm living in is the United States. And the problem is that we've, we've got, it's going to sound bad, but we've had it so easy because we've been instigating every war for the last 50 years and we've never had war brought to us. And the end result of that mentality is. That somebody will take care of things for us. And people are not willing to actually stand up and make history, make decisions that will affect their surroundings. And I'm not talking about like where you apply for work or whether you clock in or clock out of your Uber. What I'm talking about is the future of the country. How long have we been talking about the effects of Socialism and communism and what will happen. We've been talking about it for over 40 years, for sure, that I remember Sam older than that, but it's something that has continuously been talked about and literally, and this is easier when you're older, harder when you're younger, you can observe the progress moving in that direction all those years. And things that in the eighties would have seen like, Oh, we will never let things get this bad. That was the case in the early two thousands, things that in the early two thousands, somebody would have said we're never going to get to a point where there's this happening in this country that was happening in 2010s.

Ben 1:01:48

the next accepts.

Gene 1:01:49

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And so maybe we just gone. And don't know what, what will have to happen for people to start placing the future of their country above their having a job.

Ben 1:02:11

I mean, quite frankly, with the way inflation's going and everything, it won't matter if you have a job right now. Very shortly. I, I don't know if you've purchased groceries recently, but it's I, I, I am insulated from this a lot

Gene 1:02:27

is 10 bucks a burger. Now it

Ben 1:02:29

Oh, minimum, like, yeah, you, you go to get a water burger or something like that. And you just normal meal, your 10, 15 bucks for junk fast food.

Gene 1:02:47

Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Ben 1:02:49

I, given my income. You know, I, we've been insulated from this for a while,

Gene 1:02:55

hmm.

Ben 1:02:56

if you're making under a hundred thousand dollars a year right now, I don't know if you have any family at all, how are you feeding them?

Gene 1:03:04

Right. Yeah, it's not a, it's not a joke when you see stories about people saying, you know, I found a check from last year for my groceries and I looked at the prices today and everything's more than double in one year. That's not, that, that, that's reality.

Ben 1:03:21

And that that's where you get people to foment a revolution when people can't, when people are working and trying to keep their nose down and can't feed their families because of this,

Gene 1:03:34

Yep.

Ben 1:03:35

that's where you get a revolution.

Gene 1:03:37

Yeah.

Ben 1:03:37

And notice I say revolution.

Gene 1:03:41

Yeah.

Ben 1:03:42

Yeah, because it could easily be a communist one.

Gene 1:03:45

Yeah you know, no revolutions are actually communist revolutions. They all start off with a, a genuine rationale for people protesting and people then moving on to actually revolting the communist. So we swoop in and grab things when there's a disarray that, that happened in China that happened in in Russia, obviously. And recently I, I heard somebody talking about the Iranian revolution that went through it. And apparently the same thing happened there, but not with the communism, but with the Islam. Yeah. With Islamism is that the, the group that was a fringe group during the previous administration, somebody that, you know, was just kind of living and complaining about how Westernized the country got. Was the one that swooped in after the popular revolution that happened. They swooped in to grab power and did exactly the same maneuvering that the communists did in Russia and in China and has grabbed that power and held down to it since. That's why a lot of people that emigrated from Iran they, they refer to the current government as the illegitimate government of the country. There was not necessarily a whole lot of love for the Shah of Iran. He was apparently on the positive side, he was westernized and the negative side, he was very corrupt and he was basically propped up by the U. S. government, by the CIA and a lot of people dislike him. So the revolution did have a majority popular support. However, the people that came to power by no means had popular support, and I think that's unfortunately the case in a lot of places is that the danger of having a popularly supported revolution is the wrong government can come to power.

Ben 1:05:50

Have you ever read It Can't Happen Here by Carol Lewis?

Gene 1:05:55

No, you've mentioned it before. I have not.

Ben 1:05:58

You should. This is a book that was written in 19, like, 1935 that depicts a Socialist communist rising to power. And you have to remember in the context, this was written right as Hitler's rising to power in Germany. And, you know, Stalin is really cementing himself in Russia. This is written in that context and it really, to me is something very interesting and telling how the communist revolution happens here in that

Gene 1:06:34

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:06:35

So,

Gene 1:06:36

Interesting.

Ben 1:06:37

I think it'd be

Gene 1:06:38

now, I, I know he was a Christian dude. I don't know anything about his politics.

Ben 1:06:42

Who?

Gene 1:06:43

Carol.

Ben 1:06:44

Why do you think he was a Christian dude?

Gene 1:06:47

Like, I, that's my understanding is he wrote Christian literature.,

Ben 1:06:52

I think you're, you know, this is, I think this is. So, maybe I misspoke, but it's Sinclair Lewis.

Gene 1:07:01

Oh, Sinclair Lewis. Okay, okay. It's a different guy.

Ben 1:07:04

Yeah, I, I, maybe I misspoke,

Gene 1:07:06

thought you said Lewis Carroll.

Ben 1:07:08

Maybe I did. But anyway, Sinclair Lewis. Yeah, so not, not a Christian author. And you were thinking of C. S. Lewis.

Gene 1:07:17

C. S. Lewis. That's right. That's what I was thinking of. Not Sinclair.

Ben 1:07:21

And I would say that C. S. Lewis, you know, he's got a lot of apologetic works out there, but he's got a lot that aren't.

Gene 1:07:27

But what was his politics? Yeah. I'm

Ben 1:07:30

oh first of all, he's British.

Gene 1:07:33

So socialist.

Ben 1:07:35

no, not at all. Pretty anti socialist. Oh yeah, him, him Tolkien and Jesus, what's the other guy? I've got his books on my shelf, but I can't read it. Lewis's mentor, which I'm blanking on, they were all very, very anti socialist, very much, really monarchists in a lot of ways

Gene 1:07:58

going to say they couldn't be populist. They,

Ben 1:08:00

No,

Gene 1:08:00

could be anti socialist, but they certainly wouldn't have been populist.

Ben 1:08:03

they, they were, they were pro monarchy more or less. Now a very British monarchy that is restrained and, you know, with that understanding. And that's what a lot of people don't understand. Is the context in which the American revolution happened, the context in which the constitution was written has some underpinned philosophies and ideas that we've thrown away recently. And the problem with that is when you throw away those underpinning philosophies and ideas, the best way to put it, and I have to give, I think it was Dennis Prager has do on this is the cut flower politics, right? It's the idea that You have this beautiful flower, but you cut it from the root, and eventually it's going to wither and die. There may be some lag in between there, but it will wither and die. And I think not understanding English common law, not understanding the principles that founded this nation in your heart, make the Constitution a worthless piece of paper that will die.

Gene 1:09:07

hmm. Mm hmm.

Ben 1:09:08

It's that simple.

Gene 1:09:13

And, and that's the thing, is there's very little push to change that, to get American education system to actually teach children to appreciate that, but there's a very strong push from the other side, from the socialist side, to corrupt the education system. And it's, I mean, how many teachers do we have now with blue hair, for Christ's sakes?

Ben 1:09:41

Yeah,

Gene 1:09:42

This is insane.

Ben 1:09:43

again, homeschool,

Gene 1:09:44

And, and not, not the kind of blue hair that I had when I had teachers with blue hair, like the ones that are, should have retired

Ben 1:09:51

You mean gray? Yes.

Gene 1:09:53

Like, but it's so great. It's blue.

Ben 1:09:56

Yeah, yeah. Here's what I would say. I think we needed, I think it's going to have, I hate to sound like risky, crispy, but things are going to get worse before they get worse. Right? It has to go down that way. I don't think there is any saving or recovering at this point.

Gene 1:10:14

I just would like to know what is that. Point that pivot point at which Americans will start thinking about their future.

Ben 1:10:30

When they're hungry.

Gene 1:10:33

you know, I thought we hit that when gas prices went to seven bucks a gallon. And then we didn't. You know, the, the, there's been multiple times where I thought this has got to be it, this has got to be the point at which the average Joe starts realizing where things have gotten to and things start to change. And every time I'm surprised at the capacity of people to just accept the new normal, but I guess I shouldn't be because that's how, you know, that's how socialism works in every country is that it's, it's the boiling point. Water frog thing right you put a frog in cold, and I don't know if this is true, and I hope nobody tries it I like frogs, but the idea being if you put a frog into hot water. It'll jump out you put into cold water It'll just sit there, and then you can turn the heat up and and cook it

Ben 1:11:27

Yeah. Here's the thing. There is some of that, but I think that the internet has really changed something on the way information is consumed. Just like when you think back about, and we've talked about it before, that guy on TikTok who reordered his Walmart grocery bill from a few years ago and it went from a hundred and something bucks to like four hundred

Gene 1:11:52

Yeah, yeah,

Ben 1:11:55

amount. We are in a society where a, that is easily possible and you know, even plausible that he was just looking through his account history and saw this and was technologically able to do it and you know, bef just even a few years ago to show you would A, have to have a receipt then b, have to go and. Basically purchase the items and compare the receipts and do all this work. But now people, you know, it's not so easily memory hold. It is the, the technology, the way we can distribute the

Gene 1:12:33

got 15 years of receipts sitting there at amazon that I can look up for any item and I can see how much I paid for it at the time. I've got probably five years or maybe four years between four and five years of H. E. B. Home delivery receipts.

Ben 1:12:51

Mhm.

Gene 1:12:52

That have the same kind of thing. I can see how much food has gone up

Ben 1:12:56

Maybe you should go back to an order you did a few years ago.

Gene 1:13:01

just duplicate it.

Ben 1:13:02

Yep. And see what the, that would be a good experiment for the

Gene 1:13:04

I, I can do that. I'll go back to, I'll, I'll see if I go back to one of the older orders that I've had and assuming that the only risk there is that some products may not be. Any longer available in the same size. Cause that's the other big thing that's happening is it's not just prices going up, it's sizes going down, which frankly is not a bad thing. I'm on board with that. Smaller portions, smaller quantities is all right.

Ben 1:13:32

Yeah. So I, I think at some point, you know, the, here's the thing. The American revolution didn't start overnight. You know, we, we have a view that, Oh, the founders would have just snapped and did this, but they

Gene 1:13:46

How long were people complaining before the revolution actually

Ben 1:13:49

Oh my god, this was over a 20, 30 year period.

Gene 1:13:53

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:13:54

You know, the, the initial interactions, I mean, it depends on, okay, let, let's, let's actually talk about the Civil War because I can quote dates for that one better, but it's a similar instance and timeline. But the initial interactions,

Gene 1:14:12

book I got for you.

Ben 1:14:13

Yeah, the initial interactions on, like, the shootings in Boston where, you know, protesters were gunned down and Adams actually stood up and defended them through the American Revolution, the Tea Party, etc. I mean, you're talking over a 20 year period there.

Gene 1:14:31

Yeah.

Ben 1:14:32

Now, when you look at the American Civil War, which I think is a better analogy for multiple reasons for this. You know, you had John C. Calhoun, who was Jackson's vice president. Writing South Carolina expositions and protests in the 1830s.

Gene 1:14:49

Mm hmm. So, 20 years?

Ben 1:14:52

oh, more than that, 1862.

Gene 1:14:55

Of the Civil War. Oh yeah, so 30 years. I keep thinking it was like 59, I don't know why.

Ben 1:15:01

by the way, you should, if you haven't ever read Jefferson Davis's inaugural address, you should. Oh my God, you should.

Gene 1:15:10

yeah, I've read the quotes from it, I haven't

Ben 1:15:12

No, no, you read the whole thing. But

Gene 1:15:14

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Ben 1:15:16

you, you have to realize that in the 1850s you had senators standing up and saying you'll never pass this because cotton is king. You, you have to realize that there was an, a steady escalation of tension between the states for over 30 years. Like really for over 30 years like during the 1830s. It really started during the 1850s A lot of states came close to secession then this idea that Oh Lincoln got elected and that's why the secessionists did what they did It was a long time coming. In fact had had the southern states seceded in the 1850s they likely would have won. And the main reason for that is Britain had not set up cotton plantations in Egypt and other colonies yet. They were solely dependent in the 1850s. On cotton from the American South by the 1860s that had largely economically shifted and they weren't as economically dependent. However, the UK did recognize the Confederate States of America. Did you know that? Like there's a former embassy in London.

Gene 1:16:37

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:16:38

Yeah. A lot of people don't know

Gene 1:16:40

I remember that. Yep. I don't think they were the only ones. I think there were several countries that recognized it.

Ben 1:16:48

As far as I know, the only embassy that was ever established was in

Gene 1:16:51

it could be that. Yeah. That was the only embassy. Yeah, it's I don't know, man. I think I just, I find it hard to see that point in my mind and imagination. To where a plurality, plurality of the people in any state actually agree to do something.

Ben 1:17:14

I think you're looking at it wrong.

Gene 1:17:16

How am I looking at it wrong?

Ben 1:17:17

Because you're saying, okay, when are the people from my side going to stand up and fucking fight? Right?

Gene 1:17:23

Sure,

Ben 1:17:24

Okay. That's not what's going to happen.

Gene 1:17:27

okay.

Ben 1:17:28

What's going to happen is the left, or the antifa, or the communists, are going to push us into a fight. I. E. see the assassination attempt against Trump. I. E. see the summer of love. At some point, things are going to happen to people who just want to be fucking left alone to the point where they go, enough is enough. No. And I think had Trump died yesterday, you would see violence in the streets today. I really do. I don't see that going unresponded to.

Gene 1:18:04

Yeah.

Ben 1:18:06

And quite frankly, I, I will not be surprised if in the next weeks or months there are violent actions either by agent provocateurs or by just people who think they're doing the right thing. I can completely see retaliation for this.

Gene 1:18:26

Mm

Ben 1:18:26

fact, I wouldn't be surprised and quite frankly, given given the Democratic National Convention's issues with getting Biden out, an assassination attempt against Biden is something I can see happening. It's not something I wish for, it's not something I want, but dude, you get rid of Biden, he's no longer on the ticket, and oh yeah, see, we leveled the playing field because we, our

Gene 1:18:52

I've heard that theory yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. I could see that. I could see people thinking that for sure.

Ben 1:18:58

Anyway, I just, I don't think it's going to be a single event that galvanizes what I would consider my group to go fight, because A, we're all individualists, and we're, we're Too worried about individual things for there to be a really single singular galvanizing event outside of something like an assassination attempt against, you know, the person we see as largely our political leader, even though neither you or I are republicans in any stretch or form, and we're not. We're not MAGA in that we see no wrong in Trump. We see plenty wrong in Trump.

Gene 1:19:38

Right. He just happens to be the only non insane alternative right now.

Ben 1:19:42

Right. And he is like, this is a galvanizing event as much as there could

Gene 1:19:48

But, I don't know, man. I just think back to like, watching the The assault on the branch Davidians

Ben 1:19:57

yeah. Yeah.

Gene 1:19:58

a kid and I and

Ben 1:20:00

Ruby

Gene 1:20:01

I wasn't even the kid But I was young and thinking god. I wish I could do something. You know, I really want to I Don't like what I'm seeing. This is going in the wrong direction and I want to do something and You know, I don't know that there are people that think that way right now Or as many of them as I had friends that thought that way back then.

Ben 1:20:28

I think there are. I just think it's slightly different. And here, excuse me, you, you have to understand that a lot of people are way more quiet about it than were in the 90s and what the 90s led what so you have to go back even to the 80s and previously,

Gene 1:20:50

hmm.

Ben 1:20:51

and you have to look at the Patriot movement and what happened there. And I think. A, what happened at Ruby Ridge, what happened at Waco, that galvanized a lot of people. But you had some people who were making predictions and, you know, you could say doomsday, whatever, that didn't come true and you had a lot of people try and get ready for something that never happened.

Gene 1:21:20

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:21:21

But what really happened is A, the people involved got old and B, a lot of the kids rebelled against it and didn't want to go that way. Or didn't see the ideology, or, you know, whatever. And then, really what ended up happening made people think twice about even getting a newsletter like, you know, Aiden Abet, for instance. is the Snowden revelations on surveillance and really the surveillance state that kicked up after 9 11 and went into high gear. You know, it was always the CIA or the NSA can well now we know they can and they are against us. So I think that pushes a lot of people to be very concerned and say I don't want to be on that list. You know, Hey dude, if you're, if you're not at this point, if you're not on a terrorist watch list or an extremist watch list, you're not being vocal enough or you're a dumb ass. The people who stood up at school board meetings have been investigated as extremists by the FBI at

Gene 1:22:38

hmm. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah,

Ben 1:22:40

tell me why you're not on a list. It should be a badge of honor. To be on a list at this point.

Gene 1:22:47

Don't know if something that over half the population's on would be a badge of

Ben 1:22:52

That, that's my point. If you're trying to protect yourself so much that when, when you're a hammer, everything's a nail. And what it comes down to is the surveillance state sees everybody as an enemy who isn't 100 percent in lockstep with the woke ideology at this point.

Gene 1:23:09

Absolutely. And,

Ben 1:23:10

there are a lot of us who saw this coming, and there are a lot of people hiding in fear, and the point is, why the fuck are you afraid? This is, this is the obvious road this is going down. The only way this ends is in violence if we do not stop this now.

Gene 1:23:25

Yeah, and, and there, there ought to be something that is gained that is learned out of. This that I think a lot of people seem to be missing. It's why is it that you're on the list if you're To some degree Opposing the woke ideology, but you're not on a list if you're for the woke ideology Like that's the part that I think a lot of people are missing. They're saying Oh government's evil government's bad hold on here. The government can be anything that it, that it is made to be. Anything that is pushed by the politicians can become the government. So why is it that the government is being very well utilized by the socialists and it's not by the other side?

Ben 1:24:20

Basic ideology. One believes in status control and one does not.

Gene 1:24:26

Yeah, which is why socialism generally wins

Ben 1:24:31

And then fails, miserably.

Gene 1:24:33

and then fails. If you want to sacrifice three generations to prove the failure of socialism, eventually you go

Ben 1:24:41

that

Gene 1:24:41

it and you come out the other side.

Ben 1:24:43

that it takes that long anymore.

Gene 1:24:44

been that long. It's how long it took in Russia, 80 years almost exactly 80 years. How many years in Argentina

Ben 1:24:51

Way less than that.

Gene 1:24:53

was it? China's still going. It's, it hasn't been 70 yet, but.

Ben 1:24:57

Yeah, China, China the, alright, so Russia and China started roughly at the same time for their

Gene 1:25:03

Mm, China was a little later.

Ben 1:25:05

Yeah, but not by much.

Gene 1:25:06

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:25:07

So, A, it's like industrialization. The first countries to go through industrialization took a lot longer to get to the end point, right? U. S., Great Britain, etc. When you look at the countries that came after and went through it, they short circuited that cycle. Way faster, i. e. China, for example. I think you're going to see the same thing with communist and socialist revolutions. The longest legs are the longest poles in the

Gene 1:25:37

you think they're just gonna get shorter and shorter?

Ben 1:25:39

I do, because we we've seen and learned too much and people are going to jump to certain points that took quite a while to get there from a thought process before.

Gene 1:25:51

The number of college students on YouTube that are espousing socialism is good

Ben 1:25:58

Yes.

Gene 1:25:58

is frightening.

Ben 1:26:04

And decrying capitalism. And I, I, I've had conversations with extremely intelligent Gen Xers, who are friends of mine, who think capitalism is bad.

Gene 1:26:14

What's better?

Ben 1:26:16

The, thank you. You know, sorry, but it's the best we have and it's done more to lift anyone out of poverty than anything. Yeah, but this, no, no, no, no, no. Stop. Stop.

Gene 1:26:27

if there's an alternative where I get to be dictator, that's better. But other than that I think we're stuck with capitalism.

Ben 1:26:35

and you know, Gene, no one wants to play video games that much, so

Gene 1:26:39

You won't have a choice, will you?

Ben 1:26:41

Exactly. You will load the truck simulator, and you will drive the virtual

Gene 1:26:46

A free copy will be provided for you.

Ben 1:26:49

Yeah gee, what happened to me and Steam last week,

Gene 1:26:53

Yeah. Oh, I don't know. It is a fun game and I actually, just to check off this bingo card box, I, I did start off a re roll my character, as it were, and start off a new game on ultra hard mode, which is essentially using a mod that uses real world everything. Meaning real world gasoline prices, real world pay rates for truckers, a real world stats about vehicles, real world, all kinds of things. And boy, the game is a lot less fun.

Ben 1:27:34

I don't see how this game would be fun to begin with.

Gene 1:27:37

You get to sit in traffic for very little money and you have to take out loans, exorbitant interest rates. So how could you think it's not fun? Mm hmm.

Ben 1:27:49

God. This, this reminds me of some of those space games from the early nineties where you would have to, like, I remember these that were more or less text based, right? They'd have a little animation, but you'd fly from rock to rock doing trades and you were, you know, I, I played this on my Palm pilot

Gene 1:28:13

hmm.

Ben 1:28:13

in the day.

Gene 1:28:15

hmm. Mm

Ben 1:28:16

you know, you were literally the entire point was to be a trader and make money and you had to risk and you had to upgrade your ship and you, you know, all this that's what it sounds like to me.

Gene 1:28:28

I mean, it's more like trucking, but okay.

Ben 1:28:32

This was just trucking in space

Gene 1:28:35

yeah, space trucking. And, and actually, it's a good thing you mentioned that because Star Citizen is just adding space trucking to the game right now, and there's the next big Set of features to come out are all around space trucking.

Ben 1:28:51

Why do you want that?

Gene 1:28:53

Don't know. I kind of enjoy it.

Ben 1:28:55

Okay.

Gene 1:28:55

I've been, I've been kind of Lately thinking I should go get my CDL.

Ben 1:29:01

Is this your retirement gig? Hmm.

Gene 1:29:03

Maybe. But You know, they always say do what you love and the money will follow, right?

Ben 1:29:09

Yeah, well, so,

Gene 1:29:12

I, I think honestly in the real world from watching now probably about 300 hours of YouTube videos of actual truckers. I think that there, there is plenty of money to be made in trucking. However, it doesn't involve sitting in a truck.

Ben 1:29:28

no, it's not the driver.

Gene 1:29:29

It's, it's the brokers. The brokers are the ones that are getting the same amount of money as drivers by being on the phone.

Ben 1:29:39

By the way, you want to talk about you want it to talk about a revolution starting event.

Gene 1:29:45

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:29:45

Put the truckers out of business.

Gene 1:29:48

Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Ben 1:29:49

Whether that be through AI or anyone else, the largest single profession in the United States is a trucker.

Gene 1:29:57

also

Ben 1:29:58

You recognize that,

Gene 1:29:59

full of lone wolves,

Ben 1:30:01

Yes.

Gene 1:30:02

full of people that are somewhat antisocial and just want to be left alone.

Ben 1:30:06

Yeah. And, but this is the, now this is a generalization, but truckers are generally probably between, we'll say 85 and 95 IQ as a general rule of thumb. Right.

Gene 1:30:24

Mean, I don't have the stats to back that up, but I, I know what you're saying is that it doesn't require a high IQ.

Ben 1:30:33

Yes, there, there's, there are exceptions but this is a job that a lot of people who would otherwise have a hard time finding this same sort of monetary compensation in the free market go to. It's also like the military, quite frankly. A lot of people don't like to hear it, but the average grunt in the military, not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Gene 1:30:58

Right.

Ben 1:30:59

So you take a huge portion of people. And you say, L. A. I. and the Tesla truck, for example, can just replace you.

Gene 1:31:10

Yeah,

Ben 1:31:11

That is a revolution waiting to be

Gene 1:31:14

so on that note, there's actually some legislation that is being pushed through

Ben 1:31:22

Mm hmm.

Gene 1:31:22

will require at least for a period of time, all autonomous vehicles to have a trucker on board.

Ben 1:31:29

Absolutely, as it should.

Gene 1:31:32

I don't know that it should,

Ben 1:31:34

I don't, dude, autonomous vehicles don't work yet.

Gene 1:31:39

Right, but this is more of a job maintenance bill than an actual prevent something from

Ben 1:31:44

Yeah, and the other issue you have is, talk about, you want to assassinate someone, put them in an autonomous vehicle. No, seriously.

Gene 1:31:52

point. Yeah,

Ben 1:31:53

put them in an autonomous vehicle and go, Oh, the AI glitched and they drove off the, you know, whatever. Like, fuck no.

Gene 1:32:01

Yeah. There, there's somebody I read about recently. Somebody,

Ben 1:32:05

Or you're a political dissident and it drives you to the police station for you to be arrested

Gene 1:32:09

That Tesla Ray does that Tesla has, there have been a number of articles of. Criminals getting into their tests, not even stolen Tesla's like their Teslas. And then the car drives them to a police station and turns off.

Ben 1:32:27

fuck that.

Gene 1:32:28

Cars can do that.

Ben 1:32:29

yeah, no, I don't want this. This is not a

Gene 1:32:32

man, my car told me not to get off the highway yesterday.

Ben 1:32:37

Yes, I saw this.

Gene 1:32:39

Thought that was hilarious. I was like, Oh man, I'm reliving that movie with Keanu Reeves.

Ben 1:32:44

Yeah, speed.

Gene 1:32:46

Yeah. It's

Ben 1:32:46

you didn't have the hot Sandra Bullock to

Gene 1:32:49

do you know? Yeah, that's true. I wouldn't have been texting you if I had a hot tender bullet helping me. That's for sure.

Ben 1:32:59

baby, we gotta keep driving. I've got an idea for

Gene 1:33:02

So it took 15 minutes before that message said it's now complete. So what I'm talking about is I have a diesel vehicle and part of the emission system basically collects the soot so it's not sputtered out through the exhaust pipe and then periodically it will go into a burn cycle where the engine runs a little oxygen rich. So the exhaust is hotter and it's spits out, um, deaf fluid, right? Which I guess is a redundant thing, but it's basically urea is the catalyst that allows the carbon buildup to burn off without soot. I don't know what it's doing exactly, but it's obviously, you know, converting it into some other, like carbon dioxide or some shit, I don't know what it's doing, but it's doing something. The point being during that cycle, which apparently takes about 15 minutes, as I found out yesterday you have to be driving at highway speeds. And the reason that the car wants you to drive at highway speeds is because you've got a very hot exhaust during that duration. And if you're driving slowly, your car could catch on fire.

Ben 1:34:20

Yeah, so also urea injection is not about particulates. So it's not about the soot. It's

Gene 1:34:27

what is it for NO, for NOx or what?

Ben 1:34:30

and SO2.

Gene 1:34:31

Yeah. Okay.

Ben 1:34:31

SO2 reduction is what it's for because we urea technology that, that, that sort of catalytic conversion was pioneered actually for the coal industry in coal fired power plants fucking

Gene 1:34:46

So is this, and I don't know, so I'm asking, so is, do you think my burn cycle is related to that or is that a whole separate thing the car's doing?

Ben 1:34:55

That's a whole separate thing. The

Gene 1:34:56

it's unrelated to the emissions.

Ben 1:34:58

the, the urea injection through the DEF fluid, which is, you know, diesel exhaust fluid, fluid,

Gene 1:35:05

yeah. Fluid fluid.

Ben 1:35:06

Yeah, it's like Nick card card.

Gene 1:35:08

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:35:09

Yeah. Anyway, regardless that that is for S O two and Knox reduction that it's getting sprayed in their modern coal plants actually use anhydrous ammonia for

Gene 1:35:20

Oh, yeah, that stuff's great.

Ben 1:35:23

Yeah. And to accept kill radius. And yeah, you know, there's a reason why they don't put that in cars. But no, you're, you're, you're injecting pig piss into your, you know, system. So, no,

Gene 1:35:35

you want pig piss or cow farts?

Ben 1:35:37

yeah, that's probably to burn off some of the particulates

Gene 1:35:40

Yeah, that's my, that's my

Ben 1:35:41

you know, put out, but that, that's a separate thing

Gene 1:35:44

Okay.

Ben 1:35:45

because the, the, the def fluid, this is why you have to put it in ever so often,

Gene 1:35:51

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:35:52

you know, it's really per mile and because it X

Gene 1:35:55

So it's, it's just always squirting it in there.

Ben 1:35:58

yeah, it's just not a huge amount, right?

Gene 1:36:01

Yeah, I mean, it's not a huge amount compared to diesel, but it's quite a bit because I think my def tank is about eight gallons

Ben 1:36:08

Mm hmm, that'd be about right.

Gene 1:36:10

and

Ben 1:36:11

It'll last you a few tanks

Gene 1:36:14

lasts, oh, more than that, but it lasts I want to say probably about. 6, 000 miles

Ben 1:36:23

Okay.

Gene 1:36:23

around there. The way I drive, at least I, and I think the, the, how you drive will determine how quickly it gets

Ben 1:36:30

Yeah. Yeah.

Gene 1:36:32

But I guess the positive side of this is that you can stand right next to my diesel car and it doesn't smell like anything. There's no diesel smell. There's no, you know, there's no smell at

Ben 1:36:43

And you know what's also increased the lifespan of that DEF fluid is the low sulfur diesel.

Gene 1:36:48

or is

Ben 1:36:49

So, before they went to the low sulfur diesel, and they, they actually started the DEF injections before the low sulfur diesel. And the, they were, they were actually having to use quite a bit of DEF to overcome that. And then they went to the low sulfur, sulfur diesel, which produces less O2, SO2, which therefore less is needed.

Gene 1:37:13

Fluid?

Ben 1:37:13

well, your computer's going to require you to have DEF fluid regardless. I don't, I don't know what's going to be. It, it, if you're talking about refined refined vegetable oil or used vegetable oil,

Gene 1:37:27

yeah, use vegetable oil. I don't know if you were listening to no agenda back then, but, or it wasn't even no agenda. This was pre no agenda. Adam used to have a Mercedes diesel that ran on vegetable oil

Ben 1:37:40

Yeah, that's going to be dirtier because A, there's going to be more particulates and everything else dissolved

Gene 1:37:45

like little bits of French fries.

Ben 1:37:47

Yeah and second of all, you know, diesel's refined and pretty, pretty good stuff at this point. But, the whole argument on why the greenies would say that that is quote unquote cleaner is because it's not a fossil fuel. Right? It comes from a, you know, vegetable oil is something that is grown. The problem with doing stuff like that is you don't want your fuel supply, your energy,

Gene 1:38:15

To be your

Ben 1:38:16

comp Yeah, I mean, when, because as soon as you have a famine, you're really fucked. Right? In two, two, two separate ways there. So

Gene 1:38:26

that makes sense. Although, to be fair, I did take a little bit of diesel and put it into a paper towel and then into a paper cup or a plastic cup and, and keep it next to my computer. So as I'm driving truck, I've got a little bit of realism smell going. Fuck. You.

Ben 1:38:49

Huh?

Gene 1:38:50

Fuck you.

Ben 1:38:51

Why?

Gene 1:38:51

For laughing at my, my pleasures. My entertainments.

Ben 1:38:56

Yeah, I guess you're just old enough to have given up on other things, but

Gene 1:39:01

Yeah, that's that's probably true So what else we got I mean Trump kind of took out the majority of the conversation along with civil war Anything else happen? I I'm I'd like Blanked out. I get a look at what I what I've been posting on Twitter just to remember what else is happening.

Ben 1:39:21

Dude, had we done the show yesterday, it would have been totally different in so many ways, but, you know, all the oxygen's gonna be sucked out of the room from this and Trump at the RNC. And, you know, that, that, that's, that's going to be the story for the next several weeks. You know, I, I will say that you, you ought to watch the Culture War from yesterday or from Friday. I think, I think it was worth watching. First of all, I, I really like Sargon,

Gene 1:39:55

Mm hmm. Carl Benjamin. Mm hmm

Ben 1:39:58

like his handle better, so sorry. It's what I remember him as.

Gene 1:40:02

his handle

Ben 1:40:03

What else would you call it?

Gene 1:40:07

his, yeah, I guess, handles as good a word as any.

Ben 1:40:10

Okay, so there, there you go, fuck you.

Gene 1:40:13

Yeah.

Ben 1:40:14

His handle, what would you call it?

Gene 1:40:16

It's his pseudonym, his pen name, his nom de plume.

Ben 1:40:20

Yes, which are all synonyms for handle.

Gene 1:40:26

Yeah. Sure. And he has a real name, too.

Ben 1:40:31

Sure. Yes, but, you know, C. S. Lewis wasn't really, wasn't really Clive and Staples Lewis, right? That was his nom de plume.

Gene 1:40:42

Oh, I didn't know that.

Ben 1:40:43

you know, that is a very common thing. To have happen that you become synonymous with

Gene 1:40:51

name also wasn't like Cleopatra, either.

Ben 1:40:57

okay?

Gene 1:40:57

Or Caesar.

Ben 1:40:59

Okay

Gene 1:40:59

You know what I mean?

Ben 1:41:01

Okay, and Sargon of

Gene 1:41:03

how's your gun doing?

Ben 1:41:04

I don't know why Sargon. Oh, do you know the history on that? Let's

Gene 1:41:08

Sargon of Akkad? Yeah. Somewhat.

Ben 1:41:10

How did he come up with Sargon of Akkad?

Gene 1:41:14

Oh, he liked him.

Ben 1:41:16

I don't know I don't get

Gene 1:41:18

He liked Sargon.

Ben 1:41:19

Sargon

Gene 1:41:20

Sargon the Great.

Ben 1:41:21

Who's Sargon?

Gene 1:41:22

The first ruler of the Canadian Empire.

Ben 1:41:26

Okay,

Gene 1:41:27

of Sumeria.

Ben 1:41:30

okay.

Gene 1:41:30

That's where he, I mean, it's a real dude. That's where the mask came from. That he has, that he used in his Images. He basically just did images of, you know, Google's of Sargon of Akkad.

Ben 1:41:41

Okay See, I even did not get

Gene 1:41:44

Oh, you didn't know that. Oh, okay. Okay. So that's, that's the part that to me was kind of like, Oh, come on, dude. Just use your fucking real name.

Ben 1:41:53

Okay. So, see, I haven't, I did not know that.

Gene 1:41:57

Hmm. Yeah,

Ben 1:41:59

See, we all have gaps in our knowledge, Gene.

Gene 1:42:02

I know. No, I, I, there's plenty of popular culture. I don't know.

Ben 1:42:08

Oh, yes, I'm aware. You and Darren, man, like, Darren's, you know, lack of seeing idiocracy for what

Gene 1:42:16

I know. I know

Ben 1:42:17

you know.

Gene 1:42:19

it is there's certain things there's like, how did you miss that?

Ben 1:42:23

Oh. But we all have those things.

Gene 1:42:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean some of us are just, you know, more software to know that we have them than others.

Ben 1:42:36

Did you see, so, since we want to wrap this up and get some bingo card items, did you see that pretty much every online ammo retailer yesterday

Gene 1:42:46

Sold out?

Ben 1:42:47

Crashed.

Gene 1:42:48

Crashed? No, I didn't. You mean like the website's

Ben 1:42:50

Websites were fuckin down,

Gene 1:42:53

Really? Damn. Hmm.

Ben 1:42:57

the amount of ammo that was sold yesterday is astronomical.

Gene 1:43:01

Oh, yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, people are So for anyone that didn't buy ammo in the last couple of months, you're out of luck, it'll be sold out again.

Ben 1:43:11

For a while,

Gene 1:43:12

Yeah, we have this, this is a cyclic thing that always happens. Every time there's some kind of bad news that comes out, all ammo disappears off the shelves.

Ben 1:43:22

Yeah, and I, I need to

Gene 1:43:24

and this, I think, yes, because 20, 000 rounds is not nearly enough.

Ben 1:43:30

Who said anything about me having 20, 000 rounds?

Gene 1:43:32

No, I know you've got more than that. And I, I'm pretty sure I don't anymore. I used to, at one point there was a point when I didn't have 20, 000 rounds. So I, but I, I didn't buy ammo for like over a decade. So I've definitely dwindled down from that.

Ben 1:43:46

yeah, yeah

Gene 1:43:48

your gun, are you done tinkering with your Tavor? The last picture looked pretty good. My only complaint was it wasn't all black. I like my guns. Like I like my women and coffee. But other than that, it looks really good.

Ben 1:44:03

Yeah, so I actually, I am thinking about at some point in time having the whole thing seracoded, but that

Gene 1:44:11

Yeah, that would be cool. What, like, bright orange or what?

Ben 1:44:16

No.

Gene 1:44:16

Oh, okay.

Ben 1:44:17

I'm just gonna go with a no on that one. Hey.

Gene 1:44:21

You don't want your hunting rifle to look like a, like, something super high visibility?

Ben 1:44:27

First of all, that is not a hunting

Gene 1:44:29

Oh, it sure looks like one to me. You could hunt some trophies with that one.

Ben 1:44:33

Huh, yeah, and the only other thing I'm gonna do is, I, you know, I may add

Gene 1:44:39

Ben, you do realize there's only two types of guns, right? Plinking guns and hunting guns.

Ben 1:44:44

no, I don't realize that,

Gene 1:44:47

okay.

Ben 1:44:49

at all.

Gene 1:44:50

just for clarity's sake.

Ben 1:44:52

I think there are guns that you have for, you know, certain intended purposes.

Gene 1:44:58

Mm hmm. Like hunting. Yes. I know.

Ben 1:45:01

No,

Gene 1:45:02

hey, okay. All right.

Ben 1:45:04

Like, my bolt actions are hunting rifles that could be used for something else if need be. The the AR 10 could be a hunting rifle because it's more accurate. The Tavor has a, you know, two, one and a half, two MOA accuracy. And is Really the only use other than it's a fun gun to have is combat. I mean, that, that's what that the gun is made for. That is the way it is set up. That is the way it is designed to be.

Gene 1:45:40

Right. You know, the only difference between combat and hunting is that In hunting some that's literally the only difference. Yeah Yep,

Ben 1:45:53

I think that's a pretty significant difference, Gene.

Gene 1:45:55

but it has nothing to do with the gun though

Ben 1:45:57

this is true.

Gene 1:45:58

Yeah.

Ben 1:46:00

Dude, I don't know how this doesn't end in massive change in this country. Like if Trump doesn't win in a landslide after this,

Gene 1:46:14

Yeah.

Ben 1:46:15

if we don't see him pick a good VP after this,

Gene 1:46:21

Yeah.

Ben 1:46:22

I just, I'm already at

Gene 1:46:25

There's a difference there. I think if he picks a bad VP, people will be disappointed. I think if Trump loses, people will be disillusioned.

Ben 1:46:34

I, mm, I, I think I will be disillusioned either way.

Gene 1:46:38

Yeah.

Ben 1:46:39

you know.

Gene 1:46:40

but I don't see people starting a revolution because Trump picks a bad VP.

Ben 1:46:47

never said that.

Gene 1:46:48

No. There's a higher chance of that happening if Trump loses the election. But for that purpose, I think that the national guard will probably be mobilized in every state at that point.

Ben 1:47:01

I'm kind of surprised that we haven't already seen that. You know. I don't know.

Gene 1:47:07

And, and I, I also talked to a buddy of mine that is a trucker and he, he has been, fuck you. I have buddies. I don't have friends. I have buddies. He had mentioned that he was hauling Along with a bunch of other people a lot of FEMA stuff to Florida. So, he doesn't know what's in there, but he just knows where it came from. Where he picked it up. So, I don't know, for whatever, for whatever that is, apparently they're moving shit to Florida.

Ben 1:47:43

Okay.

Gene 1:47:44

Is there a hurricane coming to Florida?

Ben 1:47:46

Not that I'm aware

Gene 1:47:47

I wasn't aware of either. Yeah, I knew that. A, one that causes a little rain here, which we needed, which is good.

Ben 1:47:54

I mean, quite frankly, you were on the West and far enough away, you didn't get any effects, which I, which by the way, we had Burrell since we talked last. So maybe we should talk about that too.

Gene 1:48:05

Yeah, sure.

Ben 1:48:06

So Burrell came through on Monday and

Gene 1:48:10

How is old Burl?

Ben 1:48:11

So I was on the weak side of the storm, but it, you know, way closer than you. And we got a couple inches of rain here and, you know, almost 70 mile an hour winds. No bet, no major damage.

Gene 1:48:23

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:48:24

But the east side of the storm, like we were talking about last time, you know, that east front quadrant is the strongest winds is the, where the tornadoes spin off and everything else there was, you know, this was a slow moving storm. It wasn't a big storm. But it spun off enough tornadoes that it caused some damage. It wasn't the hurricane itself that really caused the damage, but the, the tropical tornadoes that were spun off of it were really where the damage came in. And there was a significant number of them. There was a neighborhood not too far from my parents that was absolutely destroyed.

Gene 1:48:58

Really? Damn.

Ben 1:49:00

Like, destroyed. You know, the, there's still a million people without power in Houston. Which, that actually is so sus. Like, there are some major issues in politics being played here for them to still be without power.

Gene 1:49:21

That is surprisingly long time.

Ben 1:49:23

it, it, there's, I congratulate Abbott on already calling for the investigation.

Gene 1:49:30

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Ben 1:49:32

And actually, that brings up another thing. Abbott was out of the country.

Gene 1:49:36

Oh, yeah? Where is he?

Ben 1:49:38

He was in Taiwan.

Gene 1:49:40

What's he doing there?

Ben 1:49:41

Setting up trade relations between Texas and Taiwan.

Gene 1:49:45

I thought we already had those.

Ben 1:49:46

No, the United States does.

Gene 1:49:49

Oh, okay. I'd see what you did there.

Ben 1:49:52

Yeah, no, dude, he literally set up a cabinet office for the governor that is U. S. Taiwan, or Texas Taiwan relations, essentially, that if Texas were to secede, would become the foreign trade office.

Gene 1:50:08

Yeah. Oh, here's your phone. That's great.

Ben 1:50:11

Like, no shit. This is what he was doing when Burl hit and people were like, he's out of the tech. He's out of the state. What is he doing? Da da da

Gene 1:50:17

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Ben 1:50:19

if you look at what he's doing, this is pretty fucking cool.

Gene 1:50:22

That is cool. Yeah.

Ben 1:50:24

yeah, so, One of the deals he was working on actually might change my area substantially.

Gene 1:50:30

Hmm.

Ben 1:50:31

There is some information about a ChipFab coming to Bryan College Station.

Gene 1:50:37

Oh, yeah?

Ben 1:50:38

Over the next few years, a 10 billion investment.

Gene 1:50:42

From who?

Ben 1:50:43

I'll just put it this way. It was Taiwanese.

Gene 1:50:46

Yeah, I know. But who do I buy second?

Ben 1:50:49

This theoretically would be Nvidia, but that hasn't been released publicly, so we don't know,

Gene 1:50:55

talk about it then. Mm

Ben 1:50:57

well, I'm just saying based off of what has been said about it, I don't see how it could be anyone else. And you know, Nvidia has been trying to get their chip fabs out of Taiwan anyway.

Gene 1:51:06

hmm. So that's the TMC or TCM or whatever?

Ben 1:51:10

yeah. But.

Gene 1:51:12

yeah. That's interesting because I drove by the Samsung plant and holy shit was that big.

Ben 1:51:18

Yeah, in Austin.

Gene 1:51:20

No. I mean, I guess you can call it Austin. It's like 80 miles north of Austin. Mm hmm.

Ben 1:51:25

The Austin area.

Gene 1:51:27

Yeah, the general Austin area, but it's in the middle of nowhere. Now it's a, it's probably 50 miles, but it's at least 50. But it is a ginormous plant with like Samsung road and, you know, Samsung fricking everything there.

Ben 1:51:43

What they're talking about here is after construction and everything is done, this will employ about 2, 000 people.

Gene 1:51:50

Okay.

Ben 1:51:51

That's a big

Gene 1:51:52

So mostly robots then. Yeah.

Ben 1:51:56

2, 000 people is a big fucking facility, dude.

Gene 1:51:59

Compared to what they have in Taiwan, it's not.

Ben 1:52:02

Okay, this is all automation and new and everything else, so I don't know. Oh, same.

Gene 1:52:09

Yeah, now, where do you think these people are gonna move from? California, or?

Ben 1:52:16

That, you know, that remains to be seen. All I can say is I'm going to wait for my property value to go up another couple hundred thousand, then I'm getting the hell out of Dodge.

Gene 1:52:25

Mm hmm,

Ben 1:52:26

If this happens, I'm

Gene 1:52:27

Aren't you supposed to also getting a train stopped out there?

Ben 1:52:30

Yep.

Gene 1:52:31

So that'll increase property, theoretically. Mm hmm.

Ben 1:52:36

So, anyway, all I can say is, between Burl, Abbott, and this news, it's, and then Trump, it's been an interesting week, dude.

Gene 1:52:47

Yeah, it's only been a week and all kinds of shit's happening. That is a good point. All

Ben 1:52:55

we should totally play for the outro to this episode keep your rifle by your side, as the outro.

Gene 1:53:01

right, I'm always up for

Ben 1:53:03

just a few chords of it, you know, to stay within

Gene 1:53:06

fuck it, yeah. What are they gonna do, sue us?

Ben 1:53:09

Potentially,

Gene 1:53:10

Yeah, and it's like, Oh yeah, check out our downloads. Okay, we owe you 2 and 29 cents.

Ben 1:53:18

Here you go. Yeah, you say that and then it's just going to go viral or

Gene 1:53:22

know that would

Ben 1:53:22

to get totally

Gene 1:53:23

worth it. Totally worth it. Um, yeah, I mean, there's legally, there is no percentage of seconds that I can play, but I'm happy to do that. Uh, because unless we're. We're discussing the musical attributes of the piece. There is no fair use exception

Ben 1:53:45

we are, we are, we are literally discussing. it in context of potential revolutionary acts, militia acts and things like that. Like the context of that game, the context of that song is literally, I would argue tied to what we've already talked about and you know, right now we're discussing it, we're discussing how this is somewhat influential and could be literally in the game is one of the rallying cries for the militia groups. And I mean, this ties in. So.

Gene 1:54:19

Still I'm surprised you've never played that game

Ben 1:54:22

I played the original Far Cry.

Gene 1:54:25

Yeah, so, you know the the general idea

Ben 1:54:28

yeah,

Gene 1:54:29

of it, but this I Was very leery and what we're talking about is fire from the Far Cry 5.

Ben 1:54:37

Yeah. By the way, if you have not heard this song, whether or not Gene Plains is a little of it or not, go, go find the song and listen

Gene 1:54:45

Yeah, actually, that's what I'll do. I'll put in probably like 30 seconds of it, and then I will put a link. To where you can buy it on Amazon or actually you should create the link so you can get a kickback because I don't get kickbacks. So you should create the link to it on Amazon. And then I'll include that link in the description for anybody that wants to buy it, which I recommend a lot of their music, not just that song, but like the whole fricking album from the game, because there's about, Hmm, probably. There's three albums, and a total of probably about 25 songs in there, and all of them are very much in the same vein. Uh, they're, and the game Far Cry 5 is, it came out years ago. It's probably now about like a seven, eight year old game, but the, the idea is you

Ben 1:55:39

one should I do?

Gene 1:55:42

which

Ben 1:55:42

to the original game soundtrack, When the World Falls, Into the Flames, We Will Rise Again. These are all separate albums.

Gene 1:55:51

three albums. So the, the, the, when the world falls, we will rise again and into the flames. Those are three albums of the game music. So one of those albums. Contains here. If you don't want to pick one, I will send you the link myself and then you can make it a affiliate link.

Ben 1:56:10

No, I'm, I'm making the link right

Gene 1:56:12

As we speak,

Ben 1:56:14

Yeah.

Gene 1:56:15

cause there's, there's more than one version of each song. There's a choir version. There's an no lyrics version. And then there's a the one that I kind of like the, the solo singing kind of version of each of those. In the game, you're the game takes place. Like in Idaho, where you, you are playing a deputy that is coming in along with the local sheriff and the feds to bring in for questioning the leader of this compound. Now, Ben lived all this shit, so it's kind of interesting why he hasn't played the game.

Ben 1:57:01

Don't know that I lived this. Thank you at all. But you know,

Gene 1:57:06

I'm just saying, but

Ben 1:57:08

never lived in a compound,

Gene 1:57:09

okay, the little compound there, I think it's called Heaven's Gate, but it's a,

Ben 1:57:15

I lived in almost heaven, not the same

Gene 1:57:17

oh, I'm sorry, a totally different compound, sorry,

Ben 1:57:21

It was not a compound. It was a fucking subdivision. That's all. Trust

Gene 1:57:25

I'm, I'm

Ben 1:57:27

No nothing.

Gene 1:57:29

uh huh, huh, so, so you're actually playing as the bad guy in the game, which, But Like, if you read the game reviews, everybody recognizes, it's like, yeah, it's, it's such a weird that in this game, we're playing as the bad guy. And then, you know, all kinds of normal video

Ben 1:57:46

what perspective, though?

Gene 1:57:47

from everybody who plays the games perspective as you're playing the government agent.

Ben 1:57:55

You're missing my point.

Gene 1:57:56

No, I'm not missing your point. I'm my point is that everybody recognizes the fact that you're playing as the Fed You're playing as the government. You're not playing as the Actual good guy, which is the leader of the cult.

Ben 1:58:11

Yeah, I love the memes going around lately of the ATF asking themselves, Are we the baddies?

Gene 1:58:20

Huh If only if only they were asking that they're not

Ben 1:58:26

Hmm.

Gene 1:58:26

there. They're perfectly fine with being whatever they are in following orders They've always been that what kind of person goes and works for the ATF

Ben 1:58:35

no comment. I don't want to knock at my door.

Gene 1:58:38

Yeah, exactly. A, a perfectly good person, I'm sure, but

Ben 1:58:44

someone who's very interested in alcohol, tobacco and firearms.

Gene 1:58:48

Huh. Exactly. And someone who, here's who goes to work for the ATF. Someone who doesn't want the ATF knocking on their door.

Ben 1:58:56

Mm hmm. I,

Gene 1:58:57

goes to work for the ATF.

Ben 1:58:58

will say this. I think we should 100 and I know people have said this in the past, but I would love to have, you know, you've seen the beer barns, right?

Gene 1:59:10

No,

Ben 1:59:11

You haven't seen a beer barn,

Gene 1:59:13

no.

Ben 1:59:13

or it's a drive thru beer and liquor store?

Gene 1:59:17

Oh, I've seen Drive Thru Liquor, so sure.

Ben 1:59:19

Yeah, this is like a barn, and there's a big garage door, and on either side of your car as you drive through is stuff that you can then purchase and

Gene 1:59:28

Okay. Okay.

Ben 1:59:29

So, I think that concept, but add in guns and ammo,

Gene 1:59:35

hmm. Mm hmm.

Ben 1:59:36

and, you know, just have that as a chain. And we

Gene 1:59:40

there, that would be cool. There's a little shop that that was, so south of St. Paul, Minnesota, there was a bluff and on the bluff was a small mall that was built as a western village recreation.

Ben 1:59:59

Okay.

Gene 1:59:59

So everything was, you know, old west looking. But the, the stores in there, I don't think there was any major brands. I think they were all one off stores, but they were, you know, modern stores selling shit. So it wasn't like a tourist attraction. It was actually just normal stores, but in a, what looked like a Western village. But what I thought was hilarious is that. You had a gun store, next to which you had a liquor store, next to which you had a cigar shop.

Ben 2:00:30

Mm hmm.

Gene 2:00:31

So literally, the ATF dude just has to make one stop. He'd cover all three stores. So, I was like,

Ben 2:00:39

But, you know, it's, it's, now you've got explosives in there and everything else too, so.

Gene 2:00:46

Yeah, yeah I mean, gunpowder is in the propulsive, but

Ben 2:00:51

No. It's just flammable. Anyway.

Gene 2:00:54

Okay, so you have a fertilizer shop then too, I guess. Hey,

Ben 2:00:57

with some diesel pumps.

Gene 2:00:59

I've been driving and, and, and hydrous in the trucking game here.

Ben 2:01:03

Yeah.

Gene 2:01:04

I got my certs for my hazardous materials, although I got to regrind those certs now that I started the ultra hard version of the game. Anyway. I don't know that there's anything left obviously Trump took up the majority of the conversation. Hopefully the guys. You know, not feeling any worse than somebody who got shot should be.

Ben 2:01:26

He walked down the stairs last night from his plane and I think the, I think the biggest injury to him actually was the, all the secret service agents jumping on top of him. Ironically enough, like that dog pile, I think got to him a little bit more like he's missing a chunk of his ear. Like he, he will be disfigured from this by

Gene 2:01:48

yeah, yeah, but I'm sure he's got hair to cover that up.

Ben 2:01:52

Okay. Regardless.

Gene 2:01:54

Tweak his hairstyle a

Ben 2:01:55

The, the, the, lucky he is, it cannot be understated.

Gene 2:02:02

Yes.

Ben 2:02:03

Like, even if this was a, oh, we're just gonna try and scare him. That is so close that a slight gust of wind,

Gene 2:02:13

that is not a scared shot. If you're going to just shoot to scare somebody, you're going to shoot like six feet over their heads.

Ben 2:02:19

Yeah. This, all I'm saying is he came within a few centimeters of dying.

Gene 2:02:24

Absolutely. No two ways about it. Yeah. It's, it is super close and there were memes already. In fact, I posted a meme on on X of Jesus standing and behind Trump and holding his shoulders. It's hilarious. So yeah, I think that a lot of people are, and yesterday there was already a conversation, not just from you, but from the Alex Jones crew

Ben 2:02:48

Mm hmm.

Gene 2:02:49

George Washington with all the bullet holes in his jacket and he was still alive.

Ben 2:02:53

And one thing I will say is a lot of people are calling this fake and say, Oh, the audio gunshots don't sound like that. First of all, if you're using directional mics and where the gunshots are coming from, are the mics saturated? There's lots of things here. Second of all, the audio has been scrubbed. Like you can go find copies of the fit, the, the original stuff that came out where the gunshots are much more audible and sound very different

Gene 2:03:20

Gunshots absolutely sound like that. When they're recorded on audio, they don't sound like that in, in real life when you're standing there because no modern audio recording equipment will record that level of decibels. So the, there's always an auto auto, yeah, it's not even a gate. It's, it's like a. It's compression, but not, not even necessarily complicated compression, but this is pretty much across the board and all the cell phones and, and most of the commercial equipment that you cannot record a actual bullet shot or a rifle sound without having. Certain level of distortion. And that's why movies always use fake gun sounds because they want them to sound more of what you would actually hear in real life. The difference is it's kind of like trying to record the sun while also recording somebody standing in the shadow. You can't do both well.

Ben 2:04:29

and the other thing is, anyone who's ever heard clipping on a mic, right? Same sort of principle. And like, and that's at a much lower decibel level.

Gene 2:04:38

Yeah. It, the, the, like a a shot through a suppressor is still over a hundred decibels. And without a suppressor, it is significantly louder than that. It's loud enough to damage your hearing if you're standing next to it. The one question I have though, is did they figure out what kind of rifle the guy used?

Ben 2:04:57

They have not released that

Gene 2:04:58

Cause I've heard An AR style

Ben 2:05:00

Oh, it was a semi auto. It had to have been.

Gene 2:05:03

Yeah, but was it a, what caliber was it? Is that's what I'm curious about. Was it two through three or was it a 22 or

Ben 2:05:10

no, it, first of all, it was over 150 yards, so it wasn't 22. I mean, it may have been a, I, my guess would be it would be an AR, right? It, like, that is the least common denominator at this point in that it has the effective range, it's a very common rifle, I would not be surprised.

Gene 2:05:29

how far away?

Ben 2:05:30

150 yards.

Gene 2:05:32

I thought it was 150 feet. It's 150 yards. That's more impressive. Okay. Now you actually have to give some credit to the guy for getting that close. Cause Trump was moving his head around.

Ben 2:05:42

yeah, yeah it was 150 yards.

Gene 2:05:45

Okay, I thought it was 150 feet, in which case I was thinking about a lousy shot.

Ben 2:05:50

So, I mean, I'm basing this off of what other people have pulled up on Google earth.

Gene 2:05:57

Yeah. I haven't even done that, so

Ben 2:06:00

okay, yeah. So I, I sent you there's, if you go back in our conversation, there's a, there's a Google earth thing where it shows where the sniper was and where Trump is in the Google earth estimate is

Gene 2:06:13

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Ben 2:06:16

so yeah.

Gene 2:06:17

Interesting. And that is really close for the for

Ben 2:06:21

Secret service to have ignored that rooftop. Yeah. With a clear line of sight. Yeah.

Gene 2:06:27

How

Ben 2:06:27

should be asked.

Gene 2:06:29

Yeah. Yeah. I think resignations should be had.

Ben 2:06:33

Yeah.

Gene 2:06:34

Not just questions asked that that is ridiculous and then the fact that there's no statement from the White House for like hours

Ben 2:06:42

And when Biden, did you watch Biden's statement?

Gene 2:06:46

No,

Ben 2:06:46

Oh my God. Go watch Biden's statement. Go watch

Gene 2:06:50

Did he totally fuck it

Ben 2:06:51

wish we could play clips on this show. We've

Gene 2:06:54

You know every other show does clips, but we're better than that. We don't

Ben 2:06:58

we've got to get the routing set up or something. Cause this is a perfect example of where we need the ability to go in and say look at this retard. So.

Gene 2:07:08

Huh. All right it's easy enough to, to play clips, but

Ben 2:07:15

All right you or Darren or somebody can help me with the routing since I just got my Motu back and we can figure that out for the next couple of

Gene 2:07:22

I'm more than happy to do that. That's not very hard to do. All you have to

Ben 2:07:28

hopefully, CSB, you can stop complaining since I

Gene 2:07:31

oh yeah, yeah, CSB, what do you, what do you

Ben 2:07:33

the Motu back. Huh. Huh. I haven't, I got the routing working sufficient to talk on this,

Gene 2:07:40

And you didn't even buy that, that mic he recommended.

Ben 2:07:43

I did not. I got through it without it.

Gene 2:07:46

Mm

Ben 2:07:47

Which, I will say this, Motu technical support, I sent this in, they replaced the motherboard on the unit, they replaced the LCD on the unit, so I basically have a new ultralight.

Gene 2:07:59

hmm.

Ben 2:07:59

150.

Gene 2:08:01

It's not bad.

Ben 2:08:01

With shipping back.

Gene 2:08:03

Yeah, it's not bad at all, because I was afraid it was gonna be like 3. 50.

Ben 2:08:08

half the cost of the

Gene 2:08:09

Huh. That's usually what it comes out to every time I've had to deal with a sport. Not them, but just support in general

Ben 2:08:16

You know, and quite frankly, had I bought the device not used, they would have done it for free.

Gene 2:08:24

Oh, really?

Ben 2:08:24

Yep,

Gene 2:08:25

Oh. That,

Ben 2:08:26

covered it under quote unquote, extended warranty. Mm hmm,

Gene 2:08:30

The, the only company that's done that for me is the gaming mouse that I have from SwiftPoint. The the very expensive gaming mouse which I got in during their Kickstarter back like a decade ago. It worked perfectly for like three months. Three and a half, four years. And after four years, one of the buttons started not always clicking. So I emailed them. I'm like, so, and this is the New Zealand company. I remember I was telling you, I had a package from New Zealand. So I was like, how, you know, how do I go about getting an RMA to get some service done? I've got a bad button on the mouse. I don't want to throw the mouse away. Cause I love this thing. It's been awesome. And I got to do it in Kickstarter. So it's obviously way past warranty with you guys. And their response was, what's your address? We'll send you a new one. Fuck. That's, that's incredible customer service.

Ben 2:09:28

Also being part of a Kickstarter, but yeah, you

Gene 2:09:31

Yeah. Which then got me to be part of their next Kickstarter. And then to get an extra mouse for just in case. So I've bought four of these things now. And only the first one was the one that didn't, that stopped working.

Ben 2:09:44

By the way if anyone has a Garmin, their, the latest software update has kind of screwed up battery life

Gene 2:09:52

Really?

Ben 2:09:53

on my Garmin. And engineering is aware of it and they are tracking and a going to see about fixing it, but be offering replacements to those of us affected. So,

Gene 2:10:06

for the hardware?

Ben 2:10:07

Apparently,

Gene 2:10:08

That, so the firmware update fucked the hardware up?

Ben 2:10:12

or there's something that's a variance between certain watches.

Gene 2:10:15

Oh, okay. Okay.

Ben 2:10:17

So

Gene 2:10:18

Dave, you notice the battery life?

Ben 2:10:20

yeah, like I called Garmin,

Gene 2:10:22

Oh, yeah. Okay.

Ben 2:10:23

like it cut my battery life in half.

Gene 2:10:25

Really?

Ben 2:10:26

Yeah. I, I, like I charged, I tracked it for the last couple of charging cycles and that went from. 30 days down to like 15. Substantial difference.

Gene 2:10:40

I'm gonna have to see if my watch had any difference. I'm,

Ben 2:10:42

I, I think it's really just the Instinct series.

Gene 2:10:45

Oh, okay.

Ben 2:10:45

Because they're pretty different.

Gene 2:10:47

Yeah. Yeah.

Ben 2:10:48

so, yeah. The Instinct 2X series

Gene 2:10:51

my Apple watch a lot more lately.

Ben 2:10:54

Anyway, I, They had me do some stuff.

Gene 2:10:58

Hmm.

Ben 2:10:58

Ah. It is astonishing what Garmin can track on you, though. That is available to their technicians.

Gene 2:11:04

Oh, really? Like what?

Ben 2:11:06

Like all they have to have is verbal permission to go into your account and they can see anything they want on your watch and the telemetry coming from it.

Gene 2:11:14

Oh, so everything's synced all the time.

Ben 2:11:17

We, we kind of knew that, yes. And it is part of the reason why I went with Garmin over some of the Chinese, Chinesium

Gene 2:11:25

because they can do the same thing, except they're not asking to ask for your permission.

Ben 2:11:29

Right. But it's it's interesting because what prevents a Garmin employee, and this is what I learned from talking to support what prevents a Garmin employee from abusing your information. Now, none of this is technically personally identifiable, except they have the information and they know your account and they know your email address. And.

Gene 2:11:50

yeah,

Ben 2:11:51

it personally identifiable, but your body weight, how frequently your heart is, you know, there's a lot of information there. Anything that you can see on the Garmin website, they can certainly see and then probably some more. And it's just a procedural control

Gene 2:12:06

the only thing that I'd, I would be concerned about them seeing is the GPS coordinates. Because the body weight, I don't give a shit about.

Ben 2:12:14

which is available from the Garmin website, is it not?

Gene 2:12:19

What, your GPS coordinates? What do you mean available from the government website?

Ben 2:12:24

so the Garmin app, the Garmin website that you can log in and manage your watch and manage your activity and everything, you can see

Gene 2:12:31

Mm hmm. Yeah. So, that's a problem.

Ben 2:12:35

I mean, there's also, like on my watch, stealth mode that I can go into that prevents the recording of certain things and things like that. So that's not

Gene 2:12:44

Because, I mean, you know, you're traveling all the time for. The government and stuff so

Ben 2:12:48

I am not tra I have never traveled for the government. Thank you. I

Gene 2:12:53

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I say that I was just thinking that

Ben 2:12:57

don't travel for the government.

Gene 2:12:59

mm hmm Yes, we believe you've been

Ben 2:13:01

Huh. And speaking of, I'll be in D. C.

Gene 2:13:05

Oh, yeah, not traveling for

Ben 2:13:06

not next weekend, but the weekend the week after. I'll be in D. C.

Gene 2:13:10

Does that mean we got to move the show

Ben 2:13:11

No, no, no, I'm flying up Wednesday, flying back Friday.

Gene 2:13:15

No. Okay. Yeah, that was so

Ben 2:13:16

Yeah,

Gene 2:13:17

well assuming there's no more presidential assassination attempts there

Ben 2:13:21

yeah, I'll be actually flying in and out of Dulles, which I normally don't do. So. Uh

Gene 2:13:25

Mm hmm. You remember when we went to the Trump rally?

Ben 2:13:29

huh.

Gene 2:13:30

Like,

Ben 2:13:32

It could have happened then,

Gene 2:13:33

yeah, exactly,

Ben 2:13:34

was in Texas, not Pennsylvania, so,

Gene 2:13:35

And I'm just thinking like, how many people would have pulled their guns out?

Ben 2:13:39

Except you had to go through metal detectors and everything else.

Gene 2:13:43

Yeah, but I'm sure there were plenty of people

Ben 2:13:46

the perimeter, sure.

Gene 2:13:48

yeah.

Ben 2:13:48

Yeah.

Gene 2:13:49

It's It's just poor planning. I mean, I can't believe they let a whole building roof go with nobody up there.

Ben 2:13:56

Okay, we have two options on this. Either it was DEI and totally unintentional, or it was intentional. There are only two options here.

Gene 2:14:06

And, and the video of the guys talking about how they were warning the police

Ben 2:14:12

And the counter

Gene 2:14:12

on the roof.

Ben 2:14:14

The counter sniper team immediately engaging, not having to look for him. They knew where he was,

Gene 2:14:18

Yeah, but

Ben 2:14:20

at least had eyes on him.

Gene 2:14:22

yeah, how do you allow somebody that you can see has a rifle before they use it. To not be apprehended.

Ben 2:14:31

I don't know, why was Trump still giving his speech instead of getting pulled off?

Gene 2:14:35

exactly. Even if there was a, you know,

Ben 2:14:39

one guy running up to police officers saying, There's a guy on the roof with a gun! They should be immediately on their radio, they shouldn't be checking it out, Trump should be off the stage, and then we'll check it out and see if he can come back.

Gene 2:14:49

exactly. Exactly.

Ben 2:14:52

what happened.

Gene 2:14:55

No, no, it's I, this is not a singular mistake. If it's a mistake, this is a, a multitude of mistakes all happening concurrently.

Ben 2:15:06

Which can occur, can

Gene 2:15:08

can occur, but also that's where conspiracy theories kick in.

Ben 2:15:14

Yeah,

Gene 2:15:15

So, and it certainly doesn't help that Biden literally a few days ago said, let's put a bullseye on this guy.

Ben 2:15:24

yeah So here's my question. Do you think that that is actually? Do you think he was being literal there or metaphorical because I think he was

Gene 2:15:36

I think it was reading whatever somebody put in front of him.

Ben 2:15:39

Okay, I think he was saying look the the focus has been on me And he's the focus needs to be on Trump now the verbiage and the way things went This does not age. And this does Biden

Gene 2:15:51

No, I think this is a nail in the coffin for Biden actually being on the ticket.

Ben 2:15:56

I think you certainly could make the argument that he should resign after

Gene 2:16:00

If, if there's nobody in the Senate or sorry, in the house, like Marjorie Taylor green doesn't call for an immediate hearing on impeachment of the president for inciting the assassination attempt of his rival, then I'll be shocked because somebody of the conservative side is gotta be thinking what I'm thinking right now. This is a clear incitement to the assassination of your rival.

Ben 2:16:25

Yeah.

Gene 2:16:26

How, how can that person not be impeached?

Ben 2:16:29

Okay. By the way AOC.

Gene 2:16:32

job of the house to do that. Yeah. AOC wants to impeach all the conservative judges.

Ben 2:16:37

Clarence Thomas.

Gene 2:16:38

no, no. There's multiple. It's not just him. She wants to impeach. I think three of them.

Ben 2:16:43

Two. Clarence Thomas and Alito.

Gene 2:16:46

There you go. Yep.

Ben 2:16:47

We are way over time, dude. We went

Gene 2:16:50

Oh yeah. Yeah. Cause you

Ben 2:16:51

We started early and we're over

Gene 2:16:53

there's another show right after us. That's just waiting to get in and use our airtime. Hmm.

Ben 2:16:59

Which we really should do, by the way.

Gene 2:17:02

What, be on the stream?

Ben 2:17:03

Yeah.

Gene 2:17:04

I told you, if you want to do that, get

Ben 2:17:06

But then we gotta be consistent.

Gene 2:17:08

We are pretty fucking consistent. Most shows are less consistent than we are, actually. We start

Ben 2:17:13

that's a low bar.

Gene 2:17:15

It is a low

Ben 2:17:16

That's a low

Gene 2:17:17

what do you want? It is what it is. And, you know, I mean, it, we can, we can certainly be on, on X as well. We can be on a node gen network, whatever it is. But one thing's for sure, we want to thank the people that do monthly donations to us through our link, which is great. That helps pay for all of the hosting and whatnot services. We don't actually pull any of that money out for ourselves.

Ben 2:17:42

Actually, I was thinking we'll talk since we're done recording, I've got some ideas I want to talk to you about.

Gene 2:17:49

Okay if that involves you paying more of my fees, that'd be great. Alright, guys hopefully you enjoyed the show. You knew what the topic was going to be, I'm sure, already. And there's anything that we missed or left, leave a comment on X and let us know.

Ben 2:18:04

All right. We'll see you next week, Gene.