Just Two Good Old Boys
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Just Two Good Old Boys
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Ever wondered what happens when urbanization meets cultural shifts head-on? Picture Californians and New Yorkers flooding into small Texas towns, bringing with them a whirlwind of political and cultural change. Alongside amusing personal anecdotes about surprise birthday parties and Leo trade-ins, we unravel the evolving demographics and their impact on local communities. And, for a touch of humor and human connection, we also share stories of friendships and the shenanigans that come with shared meals and meetups.
Ever thought of organizing a fan convention? We break down the logistics, costs, and the all-important question of whether there's enough interest to make it happen. Critiquing Brandon Herrera's truck modification project, we debate the practicality of aluminum versus steel and touch upon the broader implications of truck frame materials. As if that's not enough, we wrap it up with a lively discussion on vehicle reliability, firearms ballistics, and a groundbreaking Massachusetts Supreme Court ruling on the Second Amendment. So buckle up for a jam-packed episode filled with engaging debates, personal stories, and some good old-fashioned humor.
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Howdy Ben. How are you doing today? I am good, gene. We're recording this a little late over the holiday weekend, but it's alright Works out for us.
Speaker 2:Yes, and for our international listener I mean listeners do you want to explain what the holiday is?
Speaker 1:Why don't you go ahead?
Speaker 2:I'm fixing something real quick, sorry okay, so it's a labor day in america, which means we don't work. Uh, it's a. Uh. It's funny because I think in some countries the uk comes to mind there's so damn many holidays that, um, you guys are just used to not working. But uh, here in the us, where people generally get um two weeks vacation a year and then a handful of public holidays, which I think right now is seven or eight public holidays a year um, it's kind of a big deal. It's also the start of going back to school season for most children.
Speaker 3:Some of them are already in school.
Speaker 2:Start of fall.
Speaker 3:I guess. Fashion-wise and stuff like that. Right, I'd say the end of summer, you don't wear white after Labor Day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, end of summer yeah, it is kind of the end of summer. Historically, where I was living in Minnesota, Labor Day was usually the last week that you could go swimming in the lake before it got too cold.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I was fixing my mic stand. I bumped it and it like Now. What I don't know is the history of Labor Day.
Speaker 2:Do you know when that came about? Was this a socialist holiday?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, very much so. In fact, I'll tell you a story. When I was at A&M, we never took Labor Day off and I asked why you know call me crazy. I ask questions. Asked why you know call me crazy. I asked questions and uh, the administration's literal response to me was a and m trains leaders, not laborers. But um no, it was actually goes back to uh, 18, the 1800s yeah, 19th century87. Oh, you're looking it up.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah so it goes back to the 1800s and it was literally about some of the protests and some of the strikes that happened.
Speaker 2:in celebrating those workers, I think it started in like new york city yeah, it was new york, it looks like, and it was uh trade unions that uh forced the government to start it yep, but it was literally, um, about celebrating some of the strikes and everything.
Speaker 1:And you know this is when some of the strike busting and everything else was going on and literal massacre, massacres, right, oh, the good old days. I don't know about the good old days, but like literally companies hiring thugs to go machine gun down protesters.
Speaker 2:So yeah, illegal protesters, but yeah can you? Okay, I'm I'm anti-union dude.
Speaker 3:Let's go back to the first.
Speaker 2:A little too much socialism there for me.
Speaker 1:I don't think you can be anti-union if you're for freedom of association. So again, I don't like what associations do.
Speaker 2:I don't think you understand what a union is.
Speaker 1:I do and I don't think you understand what a principled stance on the First Amendment is. We've already gone through this more than once on freedom of association, freedom of speech. And I am a free speech absolutist. I know you're not, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, I absolutely am. I've said this many times.
Speaker 3:I think we disagree on what that means.
Speaker 2:Not at all I think that it's important to have people that want to kill you be able to voice their opinion, so you know who they are. I'm absolutely for free speech. If I was against free speech, it'd be a lot harder to find and track them down. God damn it.
Speaker 1:Gene, so I sent you some uh videos, uh, throughout the week yeah there were some interesting ones weren't there.
Speaker 2:I usually watch cop videos regardless every week anyway, so I know I haven't seen funny because you've been posting and you're like a week behind me on the current cop videos based on your reactions and posts I mean they're kind of all the same for the last 10, 15 years that they've been on YouTube. It's a very typical interaction. We've talked about this before too. There's a certain type of personality that is attracted to becoming a police officer attracted to becoming a police officer.
Speaker 1:Well, and you know, what I would say is, at some point you have to push back and say, hey, you can't act like this, like there has to be a point where the public looks at all of this, all this mounting evidence, all this, just sitting there, compounding, compounding, compounding, and say, yeah, this isn't okay, we are not going to allow this behavior. No, like what. When does that happen?
Speaker 2:one of the highest incidents of spousal abuse is in the police force yeah, and also lesbians.
Speaker 1:What's your point?
Speaker 2:right? Well, my point is that there's a certain type of personality that goes in to this particular job.
Speaker 3:They're not abusing their spouses because they're cops.
Speaker 2:They're cops because that's their personality.
Speaker 1:Right, but we could also look at the lesbian couples that have similar issues.
Speaker 2:Also mental illness.
Speaker 1:Okay, fine. Or we could say that women are the problem here and it's just proven out.
Speaker 2:So you know whatever well, female cops abuse their male spouses. Dude, it's not a male female thing, it's. It's a personality, it's a. It's one of those things where you know if you, if you're going to be fighting a war. Do you give a rifle to all the people in prison and point them in the right direction.
Speaker 2:Some people say yes, some people say no. You're insane if you do that, and I think in a lot of ways the police, police force and it's not just in the west, I mean, I've seen it in communist countries too but generally people that are attracted to this type of work have a either conscious or subconscious desire for to be a tyrant with immunity, like they just want to be able to lash out without consequences, and this is the perfect job for them.
Speaker 1:It's not just that.
Speaker 1:So I was having a conversation actually earlier today, um on the entire, like if I look at what's going on in my personal life and then abstract that and look at what's going on in my state and look out, and look out, and look out, what I see is that we are having um literal, a literal crisis of lack of consequences if you look at the cop issues, if you look at women being shitty to men, men being shitty to women, it is because we have generations that were told violence is never an answer and that they were able to shirk their responsibilities and consequences for their actions far too often, like we basically have a couple generations that need a good ass whooping when they act shitty literally across the board, yep so true story well damn it, you're not supposed to agree with me on everything.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, well, when you're right, you're right, but I I do think that this, this has existed with the police for much longer than the last 20 years.
Speaker 1:So well, yeah, I mean, I mean, but that's, that's the tyrannical nature. The police are actually a good example of this. A police is a fairly new job and should be abolished immediately. Um, but you know, what I would say is it's a perfect example of when there aren't consequences for shitty behavior over a long period of time, you get more shitty behavior yeah, because, again, people that are attracted to the shitty behavior they see that there's a role for them where they can actually oh, I should dude.
Speaker 2:I was looking at the police salaries in california. Uh, do you know what the average police officer in san francisco, which is a total shit pile of a city, but do you know what? An average salary for a policeman there is? $148,000 a year. $148,000 a year that can't be the average beat cop and the top cops are making over $300,000.
Speaker 1:That's not acceptable.
Speaker 2:It's not acceptable, in my opinion, only because of the state of the city. If you have a city that is in great state and they feel they can attract the best talent by paying more, I have no problem with that, but it's insane to have police make that much money thanks to their unions and uh, and yet the state of the city is such as it is. I guess they still hand out speeding tickets. I guess they're still doing that. They're doing revenue work.
Speaker 1:I guess I mean, but the revenue work doesn't justify their existence.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely yeah, you can get an argument for me on that. It is crazy, though, because I guess, after all the defund, the police protests and whatnot, these liberal cities are having to pay much higher salaries to get anybody to actually work there, mm-hmm, which they should have probably expected when they were supporting all the.
Speaker 1:to an extent, I'll agree, but at the same time, I I think that what, what is the value of policing? You know this is this reminds me of a conversation I had years ago with a guy I worked with. I won't out his name, but uh, he was. He was a polack by trait oh no, not a polack yeah, yeah, and you know he. He came in to the, to a break room at one point and said we ought to pay our teachers more.
Speaker 1:They're the ones raising our kids and I said whoa, whoa, whoa. Why the fuck are you letting the teachers raise your kids?
Speaker 3:Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:You know you have a problem of perspective here yes yes, you know. So my question would be what is the appropriate use of police and why? Are we paying. Why do we think paying them that much is justifiable? And people say well they're risking their lives. They're doing this, they're doing that. Yeah, they choose to. Um, you know I I've worked in more dangerous statistically dangerous environments than police officers do.
Speaker 2:Um I'm I'm just not gonna have an argument over hazard pay with someone no, most police officers are never shot or draw their weapon or draw, which is why it's a good uh speaking, it's a good place to buy weapons, the.
Speaker 1:I did shoot the leo trade-in this weekend and fucking great. I haven't even cleaned it, I haven't done anything to it. Uh, just changed out some sights and got some surplus mags and put over 100 rounds through it and no issues whatsoever, no malfunctions, nothing. That's probably the most that gun has ever been shot in one sitting yeah, I think you just doubled its life or you used up half its life. Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:Uh, yeah, no, it's totally true. Um, which reminds me actually. So I was at um at Adam's surprise birthday party. Adam Curry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks for the invite.
Speaker 2:No agenda, fame what.
Speaker 1:Nothing, I'm joking, I'm messing with you.
Speaker 2:So it was. You know it's always interesting to see who their friends are, because I've been around Adam long enough now to have met like multiple groups of friends. Uh and uh, you know most of the time that the friends change. They keep changing. So, um, yeah, it's interesting. I think there was maybe one other person that was from Austin, so pretty much none of their Austin friends are currently friends enough to come to the birthday party.
Speaker 1:John wasn't either.
Speaker 2:No, wow, but that's I don't. You know. I don't think Adam flew out to John's 60th or 70th or 80th or 90th birthdays. That's a joke. However, what I noticed is there were sort of two categories of people that were at this party. One was church friends, which are brand new, and then the other one was people that they've met in town, over half of whom have moved to Fredericksburg from California, and of the ones that didn't move from California, moved from New York, and I have to say I don't.
Speaker 1:This is the problem with the Austin area.
Speaker 2:I don't know how I. I mean, I do know how I feel about it. I don't know intellectually how I should be feeling about it, but I have to tell you I got a certain feeling in the pit of my stomach going God damn it, they're going to ruin Fredericksburg. Yeah, because I've been going to Fredericksburg ever since I moved to Austin over a decade ago, almost 15 years ago now, and that city, much like Austin, is getting chock full of non-natives.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so is Houston, I'm upset about that.
Speaker 2:I know texas is the largest growing state in the country. There's you know it's it's been right rah rah about, like all the great stuff about how everybody loves texas, everybody wants to move here, but not everybody becomes a Texan when they move here. Now, hopefully most of those people do, but some people don't. They just physically relocate, they bring all their political baggage with them and they sort of look at the native Texan population as always in that quaint they think that guns are important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, texan population has always in that quaint. They think that guns are important.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean there there's the whole thing of you know, don't california my texas right that's.
Speaker 2:That's a very legitimate thing to say well, and I sent you a picture here from austin that says um, make austin great again. Uh, kick out the californians. It's um, which was a guy standing with a sign that said that next to an heb that was hilarious, um so, and again it's not like necessarily I have anything against these folks, but I will say that the parking lot was chocked full of two cars. There are two types of cars in the parking lot yeah, yeah, yeah, let me guess teslas and porsches teslas and porsches oh, shocker.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. And again, there's a difference between people that buy different German cars Like I've had both Mercedes and BMW, never had a Porsche. It's a different type of driver who drives a Porsche. Why? I think that there's a certain mentality. I mean, some people just generalize and say, well, german cars are driven by assholes, but um, hey, hey, hey, hey I like yeah, you like outie outies yeah, uh, never had one of those, but I've always liked them.
Speaker 2:I was close to buying two of them. Dealers wereers were out of stock so I ended up getting something else. But and again, we are totally generalizing. I know I am. I'm not saying this is true for everybody, whether it's car-related or California people, and we know that there is. In fact, I still have some friends in California that are idiots for living there, but have voted Republican in every election for every office and grumble about it, but still live in California.
Speaker 1:And like.
Speaker 2:John, well, john's, yeah, I wouldn't consider him a friend that does that, but he's certainly, I guess, somebody I'm aware of in California that does that.
Speaker 1:I'm using John as an example, though. Sure, sure, not like, not like, oh, your best buddies with, yeah yeah, definitely not, definitely not.
Speaker 2:I, literally I had one dinner with them. That was about the extent of our you and I are much closer friends um, yeah, ben, yeah, I that's, it absolutely you're totally right, uh-huh did we ever have dinner?
Speaker 3:I'm trying to remember We've shared meals yes, and by the way, just for the record, I have a picture with you from the time we met at that Austin meetup.
Speaker 1:Thank you very much. So you claim. So you claim yes.
Speaker 2:I did have a few folks there that came up to me who I didn't know. Their next, I use her gene. So that was. That was kind of fun. Why, yes, I am, yes, yes, the beard leads the way here. So, yeah, and spend some time talking to. Well, honestly, most of the time that I spent at that party was, uh, talking to the guy that built adam's desk and repainted his house.
Speaker 1:Okay, um, what's so special about the?
Speaker 2:desk. Oh it's, it's custom made, it's I don't know, but the guy's a carpenter. He's basically a carpenter and he does some other work like that, and so he and his fiance were there and I had met him previously at a thing and realized, oh, here's a fellow gun guy. So, yeah, I ended up just hanging out with them quite a bit. And then, uh also, uh, tina's daughters were there, so I hung out with them for a while, but it was a older tina's daughters they're in their early 20s tina, you better watch out uh-huh, but no, it was fun because they both, you know like remembered me from.
Speaker 2:They're both post college, so nowhere you're but they. They both remembered me from obviously meeting me when they were younger, so ended up catching up with them. That was fun. Um, the ones in chicago, ones in new york, which is, uh, I think interesting because, like younger people do tend to want to flock to big cities yeah, I mean, there's an older people want to go out to the country and yeah, I mean when you're, when you're young and you think, especially if you grew up in a small town, you think, oh this, I'm bigger than this, I'm the.
Speaker 1:There's a reason why your parents went there there's a reason why you feel I mean, hey, all I can say is, if you're a big fish in a small pond, fucking just stay there and enjoy it, because you do not know what you're about to unleash on yourself by being a middle-sized fish in a much bigger pond.
Speaker 2:Or a small fish. So the one down in New York was telling me that her rent out there is $3,800 a month.
Speaker 1:Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2:For like a 10-foot by 10-foot apartment.
Speaker 1:I mean that's a mortgage.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's well beyond the mortgage it used to be.
Speaker 1:No, you haven't seen interest rates lately.
Speaker 2:Sorry, gene, yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1:Interest rates and home values. That's a mortgage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. It's a substantial chunk of money that you're paying as a location tax is the way I kind of phrase it, because you know, I think depending on the size of the place you live, there's a certain amount that we all pay. That's sort of covering the size of the place and then certain locations if you want to live there. And like I was talking to my friend who lives in in la jolla, san diego in california beautiful place, beautiful weather, everything's great. He's totally apolitical and does not give a shit about all the liberal crap that's happening there because he can afford to not care. But I said, you do realize that you're paying a very substantial location tax by living there he's like yeah, I know, but I like it.
Speaker 2:This is where I want to wake up every morning. I'm like I get it. You know it's as long as you're consciously aware that you you're really only paying that because of the location that it is and not because you know like it's great jobs there or anything else. It's just you like.
Speaker 1:You like waking up in the morning and seeing the ocean and the weather in California. I know a lot of people who live in California because they love the weather and I get it, it's great. I don't like that is not the be all end all to me.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a point at which the political pressure of bad decisions starts to stack up and add up and negate the quality of the weather in my mind and I enjoyed.
Speaker 2:You know I spent a lot of time in California. I was never a resident of California, but I spent quite a bit of time there for various projects and whatnot, and it is beautiful, it is great weather, especially Southern California, san Francisco not so much. I had a good friend that lived there and so I used to come out to visit and I always by the end of the trip I was kind of shaking my head going I don't know why he lives here.
Speaker 2:I mean, I knew why it's because it's where all the high-tech companies were.
Speaker 1:Well, but that's not true anymore.
Speaker 2:That's not true anymore. Now they're all here in Austin.
Speaker 1:Well, not just Austin, but it has widened a lot.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:You know, and I think you're going to see more and more, I mean more companies left California for Texas than any other state, both directions. So you know, texas has gotten more incoming companies and more of them came from California than anywhere else. So what does that tell you about it?
Speaker 2:Well, that's what tells me. They brought a lot of their California people with them, not because they wanted to leave Texas, but because they wanted to just keep working for the company, not because they wanted to leave Texas, but because they wanted to just keep working for the company. Yeah, so that's the wrong kind of immigrants, agreed. So let's see, there's something else. Oh, oh, I don't know if you listened to my other podcast at all.
Speaker 1:I did, oh did you did you?
Speaker 2:do you hear the bit?
Speaker 1:where I was driving a lot this week.
Speaker 3:So okay, darren proposed doing a meetup yeah, and I was like oh, meetup, good idea and then he wants to do it out in the chicago suburbs I'm like are you nuts?
Speaker 1:nobody wants to come out there it's not a bad place to fly in and out of it's. I mean, if you think about the vegas, so if you think about the easy to get to cities that have lots of easy convention space chicago's up there, atlanta dc, um dude, most no agenda meetups where adam isn't present Dude most no agenda meetups where Adam isn't present have a hard time filling two tables.
Speaker 2:Doing a convention space is insane.
Speaker 1:I'm not suggesting a full dude, a hotel lobby area. You know I mean it might be the cheap Marriott or whatever. But I think you've got enough, at least. All right, you have a point where, yeah, make people put up their money where their mouth is. And if I were Darren and he really is serious about this what he needs to do is find a venue, go ahead and reserve it to an extent and come up with a swag on what he thinks the cost is going to be and start pre-selling tickets.
Speaker 1:And you know, if he gets enough pre-sold tickets, cool. If not, refund money and stop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Except you got to put a down payment on that.
Speaker 1:I have buddies that run cybersecurity conventions and stuff like that. I think you can generate an audience those attract more money Sure yeah anything your work is
Speaker 2:willing to pay for is money. Here you're talking about a fan con, and that is first of all he would have to. Before he reserves anything or sells any tickets, he needs to have a conversation with Adam Curry and get a commitment that Adam Curry, First of all, he would have to, before he reserves anything or sells any tickets, he needs to have a conversation with Adam Curry and get a commitment that Adam Curry will physically be at his location during that point in time. Once he has that commitment, and John yeah, john ain't going to go.
Speaker 3:Once he gets that commitment, I'll tell you yeah, yeah, yeah, john will go if you write a check for 20 grand 20 grand and first class airfare.
Speaker 1:John will probably show up. Okay, much less than that, I don't think he will. I I think 20 grand uh is potentially doable, like I think you can get 500 plus people to spend uh at least a few hundred dollars.
Speaker 2:To come out and throw a quick con, like I think you can A few hundred dollars, dude, I wouldn't pay a few hundred dollars to go to that.
Speaker 1:I okay, I think a lot of people would I. Apparently I'm a cheapskate. See a lot of uh conventions. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I look I've seen a lot of conventions too that work paid for. But when you're talking about fan-related cons, you've got to have a critical mass. I've gone to a number of sci-fi conventions Shocker I know, but you know William Shatner charges $100 to take a picture with him. Okay, Right, so there's a certain cost to these things. You've got to have a critical mass enough of people that are so committed that they're willing to use this as their disposable income sink. This is where they've decided to spend the money they don't need to spend on food and housing, and I just have a very hard time seeing that. I think if you're at the level of getting donations, the way that adam and john are for no agenda, I think you can extrapolate based on the donations you're receiving. The amount of tickets priced is probably going to be about ten dollars and the maximum amount of people showing up for a ten dollar ticket is going to be about ten.
Speaker 1:I think you can go more than that, but okay, let us know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's see. Well, I let's see what the interest is.
Speaker 2:It sounds like you're on board. I could probably have my arm twisted enough to be on board.
Speaker 1:although I'm not a fan of Chicago suburbs, I'd be much more interested if I'm not a fan of Chicago either.
Speaker 2:But yeah, like if we were in Chicago proper, I think I'd be more into it. But flying to a hair to then drive for 35, 40 minutes south, to me it just doesn't seem like like that's. We could do that anywhere, including like the most central place in the country, which would be kansas city I think there's.
Speaker 1:I mean, you could also do denver or wherever.
Speaker 3:There's lots of places.
Speaker 1:Someplace with a decent big hub airport and enough hotels around that will be fine.
Speaker 2:There were people that flew out for Adam's birthday from all over the country. I'd say it was probably about 70% locals and 30% people that flew in on airplanes and I was one of the few sort of in-betweeners where I was not quite local but not far enough to fly I don't know, man, I think it's without having an anchor person there like Adam Curry. I think that it's overestimating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but dude, it's a chicken and the egg problem here can get several hundred people to say, hey, we're gonna have a bunch of, let's say, bnc listers there who are gonna go and we're gonna do this. Get to get together over a couple days yeah, I mean the way he's billing.
Speaker 2:It is like a no agenda network podcast or get together right con right, and you know we're panels. Let's do, let's do the whole thing. That's hilarious. Who wants to watch a fucking panel?
Speaker 1:people want, I think, a lot of people would think it'd be hilarious to see us all debate in person oh my god you know.
Speaker 1:uh, I think a lot of people would love to see you and I sitting across the stage getting frisky about it and, you know, yelling back and forth on some of the topics, and I think we could even encourage audience participation here. You know what we're going to do for an hour. We're going to sit here, gene and I are going to talk. You all throw out topics you want us to talk about. Let's throw them out.
Speaker 2:Look, it'd have to be longer than an hour because that's one topic, but I'm up for that. I think it'd be fun. I just don't see the numbers. That's all. I don't think people are that interested.
Speaker 1:My point is, if you get a few hundred people to let's say, you get a hundred people to pre-purchase a ticket for 50 to a hundred dollars, adam will show up, hmm.
Speaker 2:I don't know man, he really likes where he's at right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:But I think he would show up.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, Anyway. So that's my, my advice, Darren is first of all, it's a crappy location. Second of all, I mean it's obviously he wants a location next to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I don't think that's an ideal location for people. The other thing is I think the whole thing doesn't work without Adam being there, because it loses a lot of its luster, because we're all like c, c and d tier of people and darren's probably the most, uh, listened to and most donated guy outside of adam. So like he has to figure out what his draw is and then extrapolate down from that for everybody else.
Speaker 2:and uh, I remember in the very early days, um, of no agenda, like probably in the first 10, 15 episodes, uh, when people not maybe 25 episodes, but it was it was when people started making donations and it started becoming a more of a a thing because, really, for the first dozen episodes there were no donations, because they never asked for anything, because they were like, well, we don't need money, it's yeah we're just here to talk about dinner and wine and things we do like like 30 minutes too, so it was shorter for sure, yeah, but um, but when they started getting donations initially, there's this idea well, you know, we're getting people that are donating hundreds of dollars here.
Speaker 2:Why don't we have a meetup like in vegas? Let's do, let's do a meetup in vegas and we'll have an official like steak dinner with the, with the top donors, which was a thousand dollars back at the time, and um, so anyone that's donated a thousand dollars or more, uh, can come to the dinner and then for anybody else that just wants to meet up, we'll have a meet up during the day. So it'll be like a one day thing. That was john and adam talking, discussing that and when, clearly, their listenership was still very much growing. It wasn't anywhere near the levels it is right now, but they were already, even with the listenership they had, they were already getting people that were donating hundreds of dollars and a few of them had gotten to the over $1,000 mark become knights. And it never went anywhere because when they started actually reaching out to people or asking people because you know, once you become knight, you get that free ring, so they have a list of you so they emailed everybody that did a thousand dollars more and said so, if we do this event? Um, would you show up? And the options were would you just show up for the? Um, the meet up during the day somewhere? Would you want to do the dinner? Um, and the cost is going to be a hundred dollars ahead. This is already for people that have donated $1,000. They're asking this right.
Speaker 2:Of the people that donated that much, about 20% said yes. The other 80% either didn't respond or said no. I just think it's a lot harder to get people to physically travel to some place just to meet somebody. Uh event where people go to meet others or to watch panels of uh science fiction and fantasy tv and uh video projects. And the reason that people go isn't because there's one thing that they're there to do. They go there because they get to have a bunch of panels of people they enjoyed and a bunch of booths that are selling the kind of crap they want to buy and a bunch of stuff. So it's a. You got to have a critical mass, I guess, is my point.
Speaker 1:Well, but I think, like the no agenda shop could come and have a booth and do things like there's a lot of stuff that could be done here. I understand your hesitation on it. I just think that there is a lot of stuff that could be done here. I I understand your hesitation on it. I just think that there is a way forward with this. I think the show has gotten to a critical speaking of no agenda has gotten to a critical mass where you can have this sort of thing and, you know, maybe maybe 50 people show up for the first year, then maybe a hundred people show up. I think it could grow and grow into a thing you know, and if you have it, not just about no agenda but about some of the other stuff and just the ancillary topics, but no agenda being the kind of anchor for it, the anchor personality type for it.
Speaker 3:I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 1:So I don't know. I think it's possible. I I think that's a good thing, so I don't know, I think it's possible. I encourage Darren to run with the idea and see where he can get, and if he can get anywhere, cool. I will pay my own way and I will show up if he wants to do it and if it's me and Darren having a beer, then oh well. You know whatever Cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's well. In that show we have one guy that's donated over $1,000. And he's in Australia.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it was rubles, but yes, no it was definitely dollars.
Speaker 3:That was a joke, gene, that was a joke.
Speaker 2:And someday I'll even get my share. Yeah right, Good luck with that. Darren's really good at receiving money, Not so good at paying money, but pretty good at receiving money. I don't know anyone like that? No, I don't either. That's the thing. Uh okay, well, enough about like inside politics, politics. Let's talk about outside politics, politics what's?
Speaker 1:yeah, by the way, did you see the hell's angels going to? Uh? Aurora colorado.
Speaker 3:Aurora.
Speaker 1:Colorado. Yeah, this has been all over TikTok and.
Speaker 2:Do they not have a chapter there already?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you heard about the Venezuelans that have taken over parts of Aurora. Well, the implied stance. What they're implying is that the Hells Angels are going to go kick their ass and kick them out, which is it's possible, but I will be shocked if that is what happens.
Speaker 2:Well, the Venezuela's are better armed and in better physical shape hmm, we will see.
Speaker 1:Anyway, whole point is I, I don't know why people are like, so into this idea or that.
Speaker 2:This is, you know, because they've been watching tv shows that portray the hell's angels as these, like true-blooded american types yeah, well, in these badasses yeah, but no Okay.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't know, man. I certainly think that the foreign nationality gangs that tend to form around border places which Colorado is quite a bit inland for this to happen, but I wouldn't want to fucking deal with them I'll take a crazy american any day, but not a venezuelan with a gun, no, or a machete, no, no, no. These people have my mentality that I talk about. They don't take prisoners, they don't think there's a thing called war crimes. They, uh, they will kill you first and then talk to you later, and that's not the mentality of american criminals. American criminals are a lot more laid back and used to finer comforts in life well, you know, we'll see, I don't know it you.
Speaker 1:My entire point here is you know, this is like some of the border rally footage is what I'm reminiscent of and I I think that even like the seven people.
Speaker 2:People have showed up and two of them are holding flags.
Speaker 1:It is, how do I put it? I think it is an exaggeration at the very least, if not an op to try and get people to do something, and then it's going to be called racism and everything else, right, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, I'm looking at. There's images of like Hells Angels wearing superhero outfits.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's stupid shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh-huh, uh-huh. And again, don't get me wrong you know, if there's a bar fight that breaks out, the Hells Angels are going to hold their own. But if you're talking about dealing with people that literally got released from prison in Venezuela to specifically go and fuck with America, I think you're going to need more than a bunch of guys on motorcycles.
Speaker 1:We'll find out.
Speaker 2:Might need a tank or two.
Speaker 1:By the way, last Friday when I was heading out of town, I saw four Cybertrucks here in College Station.
Speaker 2:Really Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, four Cybertrucks I still haven't gotten my notification.
Speaker 2:Now I'm not getting it, but I would like to at least see the damn notification saying hey, you're ready to go and pick up your truck, given that I ordered it on day one and nope, I haven't seen anything yet I don't know, man, it looks like you're dodging a bullet.
Speaker 1:As far as I'm concerned, you know they've got some, especially with that aluminum frame.
Speaker 2:Oh, dude, there's a ton of videos that are of people that got them and having problems with them. So, yeah, it's not ready for prime time. This is a beta.
Speaker 1:Let's be honest. You saw Brandon Herrera's notification.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2:It was like he did a lot less than I expected him to do. I thought there would be actual changes to the way the truck looks not just sticking a machine gun nest in the back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, whatever I mean what he did, you know it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, millionaire boys and their toys.
Speaker 1:You think he's a millionaire?
Speaker 2:are you kidding me? Yeah, he's a. He was a millionaire before he ran for for her house. He was a multi-millionaire, yeah, absolutely I mean maybe on paper, I don't you know, I guarantee you that he owns over a million dollars in guns oh sure, like I said on paper, well, it's not really paper. See, this is not. This is not. Uh, having money sitting in a in a bank, this is actual value. The guns are, when I say on paper I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:He doesn't have money and I don't think he has a whole, whole, whole bunch of money in the bank. I think he's you know, got a lot of assets.
Speaker 2:I think he's got a business and stuff like that. He owns several companies that generate money and he still does YouTube, which, looking at his he doesn't get shit for money on YouTube.
Speaker 1:He's demonetized all the time he's talking about that.
Speaker 2:I don't know man. Well, he's still getting money. I don't know Brandon Herrera.
Speaker 1:Net worth. Yeah, because that's not ever wrong, it's always true.
Speaker 2:It's always totally true.
Speaker 1:Unless it's about you, let's see he's 5'5".
Speaker 2:All right, I don't believe that. Oh, it's always totally true, unless let's see, he's five foot five.
Speaker 1:All right, I don't believe that oh, it's totally true.
Speaker 2:You just have to look at the size of the cyber truck to see that, 27 years old, he's a taurus. Um, he weighs 78 kilograms. Okay, he weighs 78 kilograms. Okay, where's the money?
Speaker 1:money, money, money, money. I don't know Great, great audio here.
Speaker 2:I know right Exactly he was born in 96.
Speaker 1:No, he's not that young.
Speaker 2:I thought he was closer to my age. No's 27.
Speaker 1:No, he is 27 I feel old.
Speaker 2:You are old. I don't know what made you think you're not uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Uh, I'm, you know, I just I still think I'm pretty young. I don't know, I'm definitely at heart and everything else.
Speaker 2:So well, he was making 36 000 a month from youtube until he got demonetized.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's somewhat not surprising.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I don't know. It's hard to say, but I would guess he's worth at least $3 million. He's probably worth more than that, okay, anyway, why are we talking about him? What was the? Oh, his truck?
Speaker 1:thing yeah.
Speaker 2:I expected more creativity and actual modifications to the truck to make it look more like the Halo thing. Was it the Warthog or what was the Halo truck thing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was the Warthog.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I don't know man A little bit of a down on that video. I expected more, but at least his truck didn't fall apart.
Speaker 3:Yeah, which can't be said?
Speaker 2:Have you seen how these frames just like rip?
Speaker 1:apart. Yeah, oh my God, because aluminum tears. That's why yeah, aluminum absolutely tears.
Speaker 2:It's not a good material for a frame. At the very least there ought to be a steel girder or something that the aluminum bits are tied to. Yeah, because I get it. You know that's how you get a lighter vehicle and really, mostly the frame is just holding the batteries. Mostly the frame is just holding the batteries.
Speaker 1:but if you expect people to do with this what they don't do with their model threes, which is go off road or tow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's your two main things. Uh, you remember the embarrassment that ford had when they made a aluminum truck bed and then people throwing their tools into the truck bed punctured the truck bed.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You've seen those videos. You remember those videos were out like five, six years ago.
Speaker 1:I mean, this is why part of the reason, why I don't want a new truck is I don't want the aluminum bed, and even the F-250 now has aluminum beds and stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh really. Yeah, You're at a point where the bed liner is actually the thing holding the bed together, which is pretty pathetic. So, yeah, I guess if you're hauling sand or something, you know where it's, the weight is evenly distributed. Aluminum is fine, but if you're doing anything that has most of the weight in a limited area, Any sharp points.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing, it's the repair cost. If you get in a fender bender, you're replacing parts, you're not popping out dents the way we have a long time.
Speaker 2:But hey, on the positive side, your truck bed is now fully recyclable.
Speaker 1:Steel is fully recyclable as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but aluminum. You can make important things out of it, like pop cans.
Speaker 1:And you can make important things like buildings out of steel.
Speaker 2:The irony of Musk making his rockets out of stainless steel after considering aluminum and deciding it was not a good material and then making the frame of his car out of aluminum is just nuts. So hopefully that'll change and uh, they'll, they'll really. I mean, it is a beta, let's face it. So there's. There's a lot of lessons to be learned to take back to the drawing board and redo it, and I think the the glass shattering in their demo was an omen yeah, I think so too, and you know what?
Speaker 1:what's really odd to me, though, is you have this aluminum frame, and then you put a stainless steel body around it, like just make the whole thing steel.
Speaker 2:You're not saving that much weight I'm probably saving a significant amount of weight, but I think that the reason they went that way my guess is because the weight of the rest of the vehicle is so heavy that they thought well, here's a place where we can save significant weight by making an aluminum, otherwise the vehicle performance is not gonna be great, which the vehicle performance isn't great now anyway but it'd be even worse.
Speaker 2:And uh, I, yeah, I, I look they spent way more years than they originally planned on. I think five years all sudden done developing this thing to this point, um, which I don't know if that's really unusual for new car models maybe most manufacturers spend that much, but either way, it was way more than musk wanted. And I think that, um, had they not been in a rush to do it and I know five years, it's hard to call it a rush, but you know what I mean I think that they might have actually determined some of these problems internally, rather than having people showing videos of them happening well, and you know the, the, the towing video that I showed you yeah that you you poo-pooed originally, but what you're talking about, yeah, anyway, you can't have a vehicle that you're calling a truck that you have this high of a towing rating.
Speaker 1:On that, you're saying, oh no, this can tow, this can do a da-da-da-da-da, yeah. And you know, as soon as you hit a pothole with your trailer, you're fucked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it was. I will say the test was definitely. I mean, the other trucks passed it. However, that's a brutal test, like to basically drop your vehicle off of a small uh, I don't know what you call it like a little. It's not a hill, yeah, no, I mean you're gonna bend a steel frame yeah, it's not it, it is a lot it is a potentially destructive test, no matter what right, right, but the the test didn't start that way.
Speaker 3:The test started with him just towing and stuff happening and then that's where they oh, I thought, yeah, yeah, did it all, no, the frame originally snapped with him just towing okay and the load shifting and it jerked and it snapped free.
Speaker 2:That's the thing and so what we're talking about is basically a a force applied to the trailer hitch that isn't vectored front to back, but it's actually vectored in the angle yeah in this case the.
Speaker 2:The test was all up and down where in a lot of vehicles and most vehicles that have a frame, you can lift the vehicle up by the trailer hitch. That's what it's for. It's not recommended, but it can be done because you're literally lifting it up by the frame. Um, the uh. The simulation in this test in the videos was they're going over like maybe a two foot um I don't know what do you call it.
Speaker 2:I guess it's a bump, but like a ramp. Like, imagine a ramp that's about two feet tall and you you go over it instead of stopping on it. And when you go over it, the first part that connects in the back, the front wheels are on the ground but the back wheels, before they touch the ground, the trailer hit hitch actually, um, stops and like it hits an impediment there, and so it's a very much a shock and a jolt, and the heavier the vehicle, the more weight it's going to put on the trailer hitch because you're reversing.
Speaker 2:You know the direction there, so trailer hitch I'm sure what they tested at tesla was the trailer hitch's ability to uh, to have weight be placed on it, and that's how you come up with the tongue rating for for the and the ability for it to, you know, accelerate with a load.
Speaker 1:Well, and that's downward force versus upward force.
Speaker 2:Exactly Downward versus upward and front and back.
Speaker 1:And here's the thing. So this is why it's not an apples to apples comparison, just from a pure physics standpoint.
Speaker 1:The Tesla truck, if you look at its weight distribution, is actually pretty even front to back. Its weight distribution is actually pretty even front to back. Most real trucks are nose heavy because the engine and everything is in the nose and maybe you have the gas tank in the back to balance it out some. But empty weight. The normal truck is very nose heavy, empty weight. Tesla is pretty even so it's just different. The amount of force that's being put on there and the way it is and you know it's just different.
Speaker 2:That's a very good point too is that if you loaded up a Ford truck to get to a point where it was balanced 50-50, right 50 on the back wheels, 50 on the front wheels so you'd have to have a substantial amount of cargo in the truck bed, and then you ran that test.
Speaker 1:you could have a failure too you and what you do you, you will have a failure. It will be in, it will bend the frame but, it will not snap off that like that no, no, yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 2:The snapping is the, the crappy part of aluminum. It's, uh, it's not an elastic metal, at least at room temperature. I don't know, maybe it changes properties when heated up sufficiently, but uh, at room temperature it definitely will uh, pull apart versus bend or elongate. What they really should have done is made the frame out of titanium. Titanium tears too. No, it's pretty. Well, there's alloys that are very bendy, like incredibly bendy. I had a pair of glasses that was made out of titanium alloy years ago and you could literally tie them in a knot okay, well, I mean okay, make the frame out of plastic.
Speaker 1:I don't like, I don't know, man. This is, I think, enough tesla talk. But the point is have a problem. It's a very expensive vehicle for it to have this kind of problem and it's not a problem that they can do, a recall and just fix.
Speaker 2:Well, they might be forced by the government.
Speaker 1:Right, but I don't think that's going to be like the Pinto recall.
Speaker 2:There is no real fixing it.
Speaker 1:This is a design flaw.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have to replace the frame with a steel one.
Speaker 1:Okay, but that's rebuilding the entire vehicle. That's not something you can just do.
Speaker 2:Right, so you recall and you lose your car for the next three years. Okay, all right. Which reminds me I got to go do a recall item on my uh jeep at some point I gotta. I usually try and do those when I get a normal change, so I don't have to drive out there separately I.
Speaker 1:I need to decide what I'm doing with my vehicle. I my truck is paid off, has been. It's got over 200 000 miles on it now and it's like just time to uh the paid off part is great but the 200 000 mile part it's not so great it's fine, it's 2013. I've had it for a long time. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So what are you?
Speaker 3:what are you?
Speaker 1:thinking Well, I mean. I would love to get a new vehicle. No, I would love to get a new vehicle, but again, I just finding what I want used is very difficult. Probably easier used than you. No, actually, it'd be easier, uh, new than used what do you um? So the the biggest, the biggest downfall on the new vehicles is all the auto start-stop stuff.
Speaker 2:If.
Speaker 1:I'm getting a truck, all the computerized stuff that I don't want, all the connections from the infotainment system to the CAN bus. What I would really like to do is find a crew cab, like I have now. I don't care about bed length, it can be short or long, I don't care. Four-wheel drive and a V8. I don't care about bed length, it can be short or long, I don't care. Four-wheel drive and a V8. I don't want the EcoBoost and I would even look at other vehicles. I would look at Chevy, I would look at pretty much anything but Dodge. Dodge is I couldn't.
Speaker 2:The best truck out there.
Speaker 1:Oh, fuck that Dodge. I just have a problem with dodge drivers. I don't know why every dodge driver. I have seen it acts like an asshole when they're driving and I just I love those rams.
Speaker 2:I almost bought one, uh, and I would have literally got friends that have them and they've got some nice stuff and everything else and it's, it's fine.
Speaker 1:But whatever I just I don't that. That's the. I'm not brand loyal, but that's the one brand I have a visceral reaction to in a negative way oh, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2:I I like their trucks. I think they're the best interiors of any trucks and the exterior is pretty nice too. Um, the only reason I didn't get it is because, thankfully, I measured my garage before going to the dealer and realized that this truck is two inches too long, like it physically would not fit with the door closed with the garage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the garage, and so I'm like shit, what do I do?
Speaker 2:And so this is why I ended up with the Grand Cherokee. I wanted that same interior but in a smaller, physical, more compact vehicle. But I still also wanted diesel, which I was going to get the truck in diesel. So I got the Grand Cherokee in diesel.
Speaker 1:So it was a compromised vehicle Grand Cherokee and diesel, so it was a compromised vehicle. And you know I'm thinking like a compromised vehicle for me would be like I really like the new Broncos, like the new Broncos look good to me Like I could go with the new Bronco.
Speaker 2:I could see you in one of those with a big hat With what A?
Speaker 1:big cowboy hat, uh-huh. Anyway, I don't know, man I I just got to figure out something.
Speaker 3:I'm about to have to put new tires on the truck and everything else and it's like yeah you got car bills or repair bills, which is exactly that's exactly right now.
Speaker 2:Your ideal time is between when you pay it off and before the big bills start.
Speaker 1:Well, nothing you know, none of my stuff has been big bills yet, but the most I've spent on that was actually so there was a recall on my truck. I didn't know they could do this, but if you go over a certain amount of miles then the recall is not valid, Really. Yeah, yeah, I had never seen this before.
Speaker 2:I've never seen that either.
Speaker 1:That's crazy so my transmission started acting weird and I took it in and there was a recall on the control harness for the transmission and I'm like, okay, cool, so that's the issue, yeah, but you're over too many miles so you've got to pay for it, the fuck that's bullshit man, bullshit man.
Speaker 2:If it's a defective part, it's a defective part.
Speaker 1:You shouldn't have to pay for it, but it lasted long enough, so nope.
Speaker 2:So what they're saying is no, yours was apparently not defective, but you wore it out.
Speaker 1:Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:It sounds very suspicious argument, but I guess, I guess, I guess, I don't know. I do like the way the bronco looks. I think it's. It's prettier than the jeep. Honestly, um, and I've always liked the jeeps and um, I just I don't really trust ford quality. That's the only thing I'm okay.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, like I said, I've had 215 000 miles on this vehicle with no major you're.
Speaker 2:You're probably my first friend that's had a ford vehicle with no major issues. So I mean, that's good. I'm taking that as a positive, that ford's moving in the right direction. But my dad was a big ford guy. He had lincolns um a lot when I was young and uh well, in fact he's still a ford guy. He still has ford uh car right now. But I just remember there always being problems. Right about the time you get to about 60, 70 000 miles there's all kinds of shit that starts to break and if it's brand new you could drive literally any car. Everything is fine in the first 36 000 miles. Even jaguars, which are notorious for having horrible uh issues with uh quality, they're fine for the first 36 000 miles. So when you get from like there to 100 000 that you really see a difference between the build. But you're too hard.
Speaker 1:So you're, you're well beyond that I don't know man and the new ford trucks, incidentally.
Speaker 2:I mean that's the other issue is the cost. Holy shit, like a hundred grand is not hard to get to well, yeah, but I mean, a cyber truck starts at 100 grand of yeah you?
Speaker 1:yes, and that's the other problem is why I would go used is I don't want a lot of the crap and to the inflated cost. But the inflated cost is translating to use stuff like if I get like a 20, like I've been looking, if I find like a 2016, 2015, which is, you know, only a few years newer than my truck.
Speaker 2:You ought to get at least like a 2018, 2019.
Speaker 1:No, no, no no, because I don't want all the crap, but if I find one that's under 50 000 miles and has what I want, it's still a 30 something thousand dollar truck yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2:It's part of the reason I haven't even looked at new cars at all is that I know that it's crazy money out there for what I want, and you know my Grand Cherokee's got 38,000 miles on it, so I haven't even crossed the 50k line. You know my Grand Cherokee's got 38,000 miles on it, so I haven't even crossed the 50K line.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but 30,000 miles isn't anything, that's just getting broken.
Speaker 2:It's a 2014. It's 10 years old.
Speaker 1:It's still getting broken. What do you?
Speaker 2:mean yeah, and it's a diesel, so longer lifetime.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so what are you complaining about that?
Speaker 2:Well, I'm not not complaining, I'm saying that 300 000 miles out of that vehicle theoretically, I don't know, the body would last that long. The engine probably would no but jeep do jeeps.
Speaker 1:Jeeps have, especially cherokees have had crap reliability ratings for a long time, like back in the uh 80s when they put the renault engine in it and everything I mean they were just total crap oh yeah, yeah, no, this was.
Speaker 2:This was a mercedes. Uh, so my vehicle design was during the mercedes ownership of chrysler, so this was a much better in terms of quality vehicle than some of their past ones. Uh, now, with fiat being the owner, I kind of suspect the quality is going to slide in the other direction again. Yeah, no shit. But also they've got absolutely gorgeous designs. I mean, that's the one thing about fiat is they're much better at the uh design aspects of it Better, I think, than most American companies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so moving off the car talk, did you see the New Yorker article about the Constitution being a danger to democracy? I did not.
Speaker 2:Did you send me that? I don't recall seeing that.
Speaker 1:I did oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's one I did not. Did you tell me that I don't recall seeing that I did?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, okay that's why I did not see yep so and uh so are they right? Fuck, I mean I mean you're in an anti-constitutional republic, but yes, you know I, I am the anti-constitutionalist and yeah we, we, we. We haven't even had that conversation on why the Constitution's found formation was treason. Yeah, we got to remember.
Speaker 2:People want to hear that. They want to get more insight into that. You can ask me stuff.
Speaker 3:I want to hear that as well.
Speaker 2:Well, I think we should do a segment, and if not, certainly not this time, because we're going long here again.
Speaker 1:But at some point. I think it'd be fun.
Speaker 2:Oh, so we at some point, I think we gotta tease it again. Well, I mean, I guess if we would have remembered about it sooner, would you want to do it? I don't care, we can do it right now. Are you ready for?
Speaker 1:it. I mean that, or we can talk about the new kel-tec sub 2000 that's chambered in five, seven oh, there's one in five seven.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a good chamber for it. I like that idea yeah yeah yeah, yeah it's expensive ass ammo, though. That's the one thing yeah, it is five.
Speaker 1:Seven is so much more than nine millimeter and really 10 mil or 40 or 45 is a fantastic carbine cartridge oh, absolutely, I like the fat cartridges for the carbines.
Speaker 2:I I think that because you're, you're changing what do you give up by having a shorter barrel in the carbine? Right, you're, you're losing the uh, the speed because there's not as much time well, but that's why you go to the pistol cartridge.
Speaker 1:That's taking advantage of that longer barrel right, right.
Speaker 2:A pistol cartridge takes advantage of the longer relative to a pistol versus a rifle. That is, a short rifle versus most rifles. But this is where the cartridges that rely more on their kinetic energy being the mass of the projectile, like 10mm and .45, I think, make the most sense, and .40 is still way better than nine millimeter in that regard ah, did you see the ballistics test between nine mil plus dude bananas? Tests are a joke. Okay, he has a comedy channel. This is not actual testing it's it's a it's a joke channel.
Speaker 2:You got to realize that sure, and you yeah, I see, I knew who you were talking about right away, because he is a funny guy you're the one who said it to me, I know, but but it is this is me trolling you g okay okay, but it's true, and I I like watching his channel.
Speaker 2:I like watching his tests because they're all kind of the one thing. If you read the comments. The comments are hilarious, especially in this test, because he starts off the video saying that, oh, this gun is sighted a little bit to the left, and then he proceeds to shoot all three guns way to the left. It's like dude. The problem is not the sight, the problem is the guy that is holding the gun.
Speaker 1:That's the consistent factor. Yeah, I will say that the uh the LEO model shot a little low with the new sites, but they're also a little higher, so I had to adjust for that.
Speaker 2:So well. As long as you get the adjustments to make, you're all good well I mean at you know, at at a good.
Speaker 1:So one of the targets that we have set up at my parents is they've got a pretty big garden and then we've got a steel target hanging down by the pond.
Speaker 1:It has the dam and the pond as a backstop, so and then there's a hill behind it, so it's a good place. And then I'm up on a different hill, shooting downward, so the pond is catching it and even if something skips, there's another. Anyway it's it's very safe scenario. But I'm on the other side of their um, of their uh, what do you? Their garden. So you know, I'm a good 20 to 30 yards from this eight inch steel target and I'm able to hit the steel pretty consistently.
Speaker 2:So good, well, you know that's about as fortunately long range, as I need to be with the pistol but back in the old days if you were shooting a little bit too low, you just take a little bit of a file to the front uh side of the gun and fix it yeah, yeah, except these are trigicon night sights that I just put on and I'm not gonna do that wow, you went with tringicon instead of true glow. That's impressive. You're spending some money.
Speaker 1:I did go with Trijicon because it's a nice damn gun and I wanted nice damn sights on it. Yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2:I think I've given up on my Tritium sights at this point. I've got like three guns that have Tritium on them. That is all dead now.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I mean, these were dead right, this is a five-year-old gun. They weren't dead. Dead, but they were dim.
Speaker 2:Every year your gun loses about half its brightness. So whatever you start off with, just know that five years later you're going to have something that's eight times or 16 times less bright.
Speaker 1:Right, but anyway. Anyway, it was worth putting decent sights on it I I mean.
Speaker 1:So they had, like I I saw at the same gun store that does my a lot of stuff for me and where I do my transfers, they had a nine mil uh 226, uh, with wood grips, a shorter barrel, so, uh, no rail on it. You know, uh, an older model 226 in nine mil, and they were asking to me not as functional of a gun. It did have wooden grips but you could replace grips. Um, they were asking used 900 for that gun. Oh, my god, and it's old in between the times I've gone back. So, um, all I can say is I get this gun for around what? 325?
Speaker 1:plus the mags and everything else that I put on it I based off of what they're going on for going for on gun broker, even though it's a 40 cal and everything else. If I were to go sell this I think I could get seven to eight, maybe 900 bucks out of that's insane. That's. That's what they're going for if you, if you look, at the, the elite model that this is, and you look at the oem price for it, it's like 1600. Wow, leo, guns are nice.
Speaker 2:Oh, they're awesome, they're yeah so this is the the guy that I talked to at adam's party. He bought a glock 19 for under 300 bucks at palmetto as well um yeah, so they've got some leo trade-ins going on right now there was a glock 17, so a nine mil selling 17 leo trade-in for 200.
Speaker 1:Something bucks right now gen 4, a gen 4 glock which is a modern glock yep that's pretty good but well, there's just. If anyone wants a glock there, there you go, go get it.
Speaker 2:There's no reason not to yeah, and the old trade-O Trainings are good, so he's buddies with the sheriff that just got elected in Fredericksburg. So, I told him hey, if you guys are going to do your gun trades, let me know ahead of time.
Speaker 1:Well, they're going to do it in bulk dude. I know, but I want to know where and when, and then I can make sure that I get a gun that's never been used, yeah, or you know, I mean, oh God, there's so many things. Like if it wasn't for the ATF ruling, I would seriously consider starting to buy LAO trade-ins in bulk and going to gun shows and selling them Like I would do that heartbeat as a fun hobby.
Speaker 2:but yeah, you know, if it pays for your gun show and occasionally another gun just off the profit. That'd be a great little thing to do. I would agree it would be a hobby, but to do that today with the atf yeah the
Speaker 1:way they are. You better have an ffl otherwise you know you. You end up dead like the guy in arkansas exactly yeah which I'll too many p that has gone by the wayside way too easily sorry I was taking a drink.
Speaker 2:Yeah it it has. But you know what else has gone by the wayside? That trump was shot. Oh yeah, it's completely off. The news cycles immediately, like people were still talking about jfk 20 years after the fact. There no one's talking about orange man bad. Orange man bad the media is just so of the same mindset. It's like a hive mind.
Speaker 1:Well, all I can say is it's time for Texas to leave. All the signs point to it's time. Now there is no saving this country. The country is fucked. We are going to go down paths that have been. You know, we started down this path decades and decades and decades ago and I do not see an off ramp where we can pull back from it.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry but I don't. So time to leave, time to really try and do something else. One way or the other, either we're going to devolve into a communist state or we're going to the US is going to break up. I think those are the only options at this point.
Speaker 2:And, honestly, like a Texas exit is. It's, frankly, the most peaceful thing we can do, because the alternative is going to be extremely bloody, with multiple states fighting multiple states.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we know what that looks like already and you know, talking to people I know that are in the reserves, I think you're going to have different regiments fighting different regiments there, different regiments fighting different regiments there. I mean there's, it's a very there. There is no unified allegiance anywhere that.
Speaker 1:Yes, and that's that's kind of the problem and this is what a lot of people like. I sent you that video of the surfer. They gotta cost it by cops yep, that was over a 12 theoretically got accosted by cops yep, that was over a 12, theoretically. Theoretically a 12 tax to use the beach, even though he said I have it, I have it right here, and they arrested him. They did all this. Just absolute bad horse shit. Yeah, but theoretically that was over 12 dollars. Yeah. Now you, you're telling me that those same cops aren't going to come. Fucking take your guns when they're told this is what needs to happen. Of course they are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to be cops versus people in the military kind of thing, or at least some people that are in the military.
Speaker 1:I think the military is just as complicit.
Speaker 2:Well, I think there's a big split in the military. I think what you're going to have is you're going to have guys that have been in it, that are, like my age, been in it for a long time. They are of a very different mindset than the privates out there. Maybe, yeah, I think so. Maybe, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1:if it was up to the privates, I think they would as sooner, just as soon or just as likely be an antifa well, all I can tell you is I have always said that body armor is not a great idea because you know, in a shit hit the fan scenario, you're not going to have the medical and da, da, da, da da.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what I will say is if we are going more towards uh, cops behaving badly and we're looking at you know, violence there or civil war then you know maybe, maybe it is a good idea to have some armor and uh, there's been some sales here with the holiday and everything, so you can there's uh like uh, guns and gear. Put out one where you know it was under three hundred dollars for a set of plates yeah, four, yeah, they're all from china no made in the us for that price.
Speaker 2:I don't believe it, yep I okay I like the. The raw armor has come down quite a bit.
Speaker 1:It used to be yeah, it used to be for a level four ceramic plates. You're spending over a thousand dollars. It has come down significantly so yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:You know, I had a uh, an idea a long time ago, like five years ago, um, for cardboard armor and I thought about it, but I never actually did anything with them because I didn't want to spend the money.
Speaker 1:But but I think that here I'll send you the link. By the way, oh yeah, yeah, it is made in the US. I just went and looked, okay cool, cool.
Speaker 2:But you know, made in the US from a Chinese piece of metal that somebody machines in the US makes. It made in the U.
Speaker 1:Just telling you man. Anyway cardboard armor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because when you're talking about like protests and people throwing shit, rubber bullets, anything like that, wearing nothing sucks. Somebody could throw a beer bottle and it could take you out, so you put on a football helmet, and then what about the rest of your body? Well, the cheapest, easiest foldable and disposable which is an important thing armor you can make is out of cardboard corrugated cardboard, and there's different variants of it, right, different strengths of corrugated cardboard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so your point isn't to stop, except for bullets, no, no. Well, a rubber bullet or something. Stop, not for bullets, no, no, well, a rubber bullet or something. But the whole point is to be, able to absorb something, distribute some of the load and then not worry about the rest. Gotcha.
Speaker 2:Exactly, it's to avoid potentially medical injuries that require medical treatment and just get bruises instead. Right that require medical treatment and just get bruises instead. Right, and when I was putting this together, because really what you're talking about is just imagine a cardboard box that has a hole on top and two holes on the sides.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:But obviously, if you're making it from scratch, it's not going to be a square box, because a person's body isn't square. It's going to be a box that's more of the size of a person's chest, going down to their belt, basically, and then, um also, uh, uh, I mean it's not just a box shape, obviously, but the idea basically being that most of the injuries people get are shit that is blunt trauma and not necessarily intended to really give them permanent injuries. It's just they got unlucky to really give them permanent injuries. It's just they got unlucky. And so if you have a crowd on one side that's wearing all paper armor and then a crowd on the other side that's wearing nothing at all, there's a certain advantage that the crowd wearing the paper armor has.
Speaker 1:Some yes sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some advantage. And a lot of times, when you're talking about these crowd think events where there's not a single person leading things, this is not an orchestrated, you know regimented, kind of uh group of people. These, these are people that came together in agreement on something and then decide that they're going to uh, um, you know, push back on whatever they want to push back. And I hate talking delicately, but honestly, I feel like this is an area where the last thing I need is for this to be brought up in court yeah, you don't want to get arrested in the uk.
Speaker 1:What exactly? Yes, I don't want to be arrested. So the the shit happening in the UK.
Speaker 2:What exactly? Yes, I don't want to be arrested. So the shit happening in the UK is definitely reviving my ideas about stuff like this. Um, because it'd be fairly cheap to manufacture and, uh, and, like I said, the good thing about it is we're not talking about something permanent, so it it wouldn't like you could wear it and maybe even survive several trips out, but it's not going to survive rain well, and something you can throw away or yeah, you know burn or dispose of, and
Speaker 1:exactly claim that, oh, I never really did that and you can.
Speaker 2:You could call it a first emergency prepper fire starter supply.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:You know Easy way to start your fires Also fits your body.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:You know, Anyway, an idea. I often have ideas. Most of the time, I never go anywhere with them. I have ideas, but you know what ideas are worth Zero.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, they're kind of like opinions and assholes Everybody's got them.
Speaker 2:That's exactly right. There's a chart somebody had which I thought was very accurate. It's probably attributed to somebody like a Musk, but who knows who originally did it. Attribute it to somebody like a musk, but who knows who originally did it. But it basically shows you, like, what is the value of a, of a company, and the person that has the idea always thinks like they have tremendous value here by the way, yeah, the uh rma armament, rma defensecom that I just sent you yep, the king of armor.
Speaker 1:Uh, the level four armor plate set with trauma pads is a hundred dollars off right now, oh, there you go.
Speaker 2:Use not sponsored by them, but sure no not at all.
Speaker 1:By the time this goes out, it will be not yeah on sale anymore. Um, but yeah, so two level four plates with trauma pads for 281, 71 shit that's downright cheap like I said, considering it yes, you still gotta get a plate carrier and everything else, but that's pretty cheap.
Speaker 2:It's definitely cheap. Wow, um, yeah, I'm looking at here. It sure is.
Speaker 1:Wow, uh, they're out of new jersey interesting and they're certified plates and they're all made in the us and everything else so there you go well, get, get us that, and then I can shoot you. No.
Speaker 2:What. You don't trust him all of a sudden.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just not going to. I don't trust your aim.
Speaker 2:I'm a good driver, okay.
Speaker 1:I do want to I tell you what An experiment that we ought to do do gene is. We ought to get on aliexpress, yeah, and buy some of the 50 plates and go have a range day with them we could do that yeah, like I would like to see what those can stop I think what's his face.
Speaker 1:Did that already, though the the no, he did it with, uh, the steel plates that they use for crossfit or whatever oh okay, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, demolition ranch, demolition range yeah, yeah, matt, and I know he was at a and m at the same time.
Speaker 2:I was was it really?
Speaker 1:I didn't know yeah, like literally same years and everything like he got a real degree okay. Okay, excuse me.
Speaker 2:Well, he's a veterinarian, he got a doctorate degree.
Speaker 1:Right, but his undergrad. We were both undergrads at A&M at the same time, oh okay, okay got it.
Speaker 2:So you were both taking basic classes together, that's wild.
Speaker 1:I don't know that we ever did or anything else, but sure.
Speaker 2:You might have if it was the same year. Yeah, yeah, anyway. How big is a them?
Speaker 1:uh this year, like over 65 000 students, 65 000 regrets I have when I was there it was 40 something thousand, so that's okay, I have a friend whose kid is going by the way, I am going to purchase these, okay, good good you should.
Speaker 2:Uh, I have a friend whose kid is going to A&M and he was out there recently and he was kind of complaining to me about how much it costs and I'm like, well, how much could it cost? And then I looked it up A&M is over 50 grand a year. Oh yeah, easily, holy shit.
Speaker 1:That's insane. But so is taxes. That's insane, but so is Texas.
Speaker 2:That's insane. You know how much Harvard is? No 58. Okay, wow, that is nuts. I mean they're all useless. Don't get me wrong, degrees are totally useless.
Speaker 1:But to have the schools here in Texas be the same price as the Ivy League schools is crazy, okay, okay, well, I don't know I, I mean it again, it's, it's all subjective, I guess.
Speaker 2:I just, I always just think that like there was always a big premium to be paid for ivy league I think a lot of that's going away though well, it literally is, because it's literally like an eight thousand dollar difference now, not even it's like a six thousand dollar difference a year.
Speaker 1:Ten percent, yeah, but I'm saying that the, the value of an ivy league education on the other side is also going oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And when you look in, depending like lesbian underwater basket weaving.
Speaker 1:Yeah but depending on what you're actually um studying and you know doing, a&m may be better in some scenarios.
Speaker 3:You know, maybe not for business, maybe not for a certain thing.
Speaker 1:A&M's one of the number one vet schools in the nation. There aren't a lot of vet schools.
Speaker 3:So there's that.
Speaker 1:But engineering, like there's lots of good degrees at A&M that you can put up against a lot of other schools.
Speaker 2:So I don't know Now, what did you send me? You sent me a picture of a football game. Oh, 1960.
Speaker 1:Sugar Bowl. Oh yeah, this is the 60s. Yes, yeah, yeah, I was going to say I don't imagine that happening today. You know, you can dream.
Speaker 2:It looked like about half the guys in the football team are white. Yeah, I mean, like I said, not going to happen today, that's for sure oh, come on now, gene, don't be racist well, yeah, that's cool. What else going on? I'm trying to think if there's any other news that I've heard of that we haven't talked about.
Speaker 1:Uh, kamala did her interview. I didn't see. I have seen clips. I have not watched the whole thing, but it wasn't exactly a long interview and they cut, uh, they cut it up quite a bit and uh, the the thing that I take away the most out of this was actually Tim Waltz's blaming his people misunderstanding his military career on his bad grammar.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Like no acceptance of this as a thing at all. So they're misunderstanding the fact that the guy that he reported to says that he completely lied about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, oh, okay by the way, the total on. I ditched the trauma pads, the uh, because I'm gonna just see them without but uh, without the trauma pads, just the set of plates. So front and back, level four ship 263 49 that's insanely cheap.
Speaker 2:Dude, how much is shipping?
Speaker 1:uh 21, 58 how?
Speaker 2:how do they ship it, dude I? I ship a watch to somebody and it costs 20 bucks in shipping. These plates don't weigh the same as a watch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's, uh, that's nutty anyway, yeah, no, tim waltz has he. He has lied, he's been caught lying about it, yet he keeps doubling down on it and you saw the clip he's maniacal dude there is no other way of saying it, because if you look at how he treated his son and a lot of people, have commented.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you saw that right, holy like I come here.
Speaker 1:He's like you can tell his teeth were pressed together okay, I don't think that's necessarily 100 abusive like some people have, but at the same time, optics wise like I, will grab my kid and jerk them and say, hey, no, stop behaving that way when they're behaving badly. His kid wasn't doing that he was doing shit fucking walking.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. So there's a difference right.
Speaker 1:So I'm not saying just because you grab your kid you're abusive, not what I'm saying at all. No, but he is yeah, yeah, maniacal person who, yeah, is never wrong, will never admit that he's wrong right, will never admit that he's done something bad and anyone who contradicts him or anything else is the bad person. It really is that borderline personality disorder type thing and as someone with some experience dealing with people with that, it is not a fun scenario and there is. There is no good outcome dealing with those people no, no, that's true.
Speaker 2:So the best thing help you if you're in a relationship with one, so the best thing you probably could have done is to quit the military yes, it's a good thing, yeah it's a good thing, exactly it. That's the spin we ought to be putting on it.
Speaker 1:I would like to say I think I have a very progressive idea that I want your opinion on Uh-oh.
Speaker 2:Are you ready? I'm ready, all right.
Speaker 1:I want mandatory testing of all law enforcement and military personnel, psychological testing yearly.
Speaker 2:Their company can't force them to do that. There's no way they can do that. No, that's completely wrong and I'm going to stand until I die on that. Sorry, I was trying to challenge somebody here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. No, private sector is different than government, dude. This is a government position, government job and if you're a cop if you're a cop and you show any fear of the public, you're out, you're done, you're not there yeah, the unions would never allow it. I the government should not have unions what that's a basic human right.
Speaker 2:What are you talking about if you don't know? The free association?
Speaker 1:government. They should have freedom of association. But government positions or you, you should not be. Associate government is different government, you anyway, I, I would just like to see it. It's just I'm throwing it out there. I think it's uh interesting to consider. At least you know a single questionnaire are you afraid of the public? Yes, I'm. I'm definitely afraid every time I go out on patrol all right, you're out thank you yeah, but they would never answer that.
Speaker 1:Okay, then I feared. I was afraid because he had no, no, no. You said six months ago you weren't afraid of this. I don't know, I just thought yeah, I like.
Speaker 2:I don't even think you need a test. All you got to do is watch some of these auditor videos and you know who you need to fire first.
Speaker 1:It's that simple yeah who you need to go. Uh, you're done here.
Speaker 2:You are not the type of person, thankfully not always, but sometimes that does happen and by the end of the video you know, especially the professionally produced ones they say oh. And then you know, as a result, result of pending lawsuits against this police officer, the department got rid of him.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing If you quit under threat of lawsuit, all they do is go to a different department all they do is go to a different department and then they're hired. Yep, that's true. That's not okay, anyway. Well, goddammit, now I've got to find a plate carrier oh, you had one didn't you buy one already?
Speaker 2:no, no, I don't have a plate carrier oh I, I have a chest rig oh, it wasn't a plate carrier, it was just a chest rig well, just look at the same company probably got one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Haley is who I have mine through, and it is not cheap, but they are nice and the chest rig that I have can be used as a placard on a plate carrier too, so it's not like I've lost anything there.
Speaker 3:Like all the mags and everything it just velcros on as a placard yeah, so it's got a velcro back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, I like those way more than the molly ones.
Speaker 1:The molly is just because it that's the whole point of the placard like the way that is yeah, so makes sense yep, anyway, hayley strategic is. Uh, they make very, very, very nice stuff if you want to stick links into the description.
Speaker 2:Feel free to do that once this is posted man okay lazy ass. I mean hayley strategiccom there you go yeah, but how do you spell that bulletproof?
Speaker 1:zone l e y strategiccom body armor outletcom.
Speaker 2:why are?
Speaker 1:you going to body armor outlet they? Sell rma stuff they sell what rma armor of returned okay um, yeah, I mean, how cheap can you get it?
Speaker 2:it's 159 bucks ah, damn it.
Speaker 1:I need to stop payment on mine you're such a fucking jew man what was that called? Again, no for difference, I won't worry about it, but I may buy more to shoot.
Speaker 2:Did you watch that video? I sent you a link to of the German watching the Jew jokes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Jew jokes.
Speaker 2:Seriously, send me the link to that website you were talking about oh okay, yeah, I'll send you, but yeah, I have very mixed feelings about that.
Speaker 1:He's literally breaking the law in his own country. He is.
Speaker 2:He really is. He's a guy. I watch him pretty regularly, so he's like a German dude that does reaction videos to American stuff. He's an Americophile right he likes.
Speaker 3:America.
Speaker 2:And he's, I don't know, he's post-college but he's still a young 20-something. But he is a hitler youth looking dude. He's got blue eyes, blonde hair, you know he's. He's very much the uh epitome of uh, what the uh third rank was going for. And uh, you know, germany does have some very draconian laws about its history. Germany does have some very draconian laws about its history. Like I, I don't think that's a good idea for either germany or japan, because just not talking about your history doesn't actually prevent you from happening to repeat it?
Speaker 2:yeah, so I would much rather that that you could talk about it and have swastik images, uh, you know, so that you could kind of keep that alive and have people think about it. But germany has these dumb laws, but when he watches american stuff on youtube, what are they going to do, right? Um, but, but yeah, the, the reaction he has is the uh, uh, it's a very normal reaction. I would say that that you or I would have right, because they're funny, whether it's Family Guy or South Park or whoever is doing the racist jokes.
Speaker 1:You've got to be able to fucking laugh at yourself, right, right, like when someone makes a Southern joke or an Aggie joke or whatever else you've got to laugh at it. Exactly a southern joke or an aggie joke or whatever else, you gotta laugh at it exactly.
Speaker 1:If you can't laugh at jokes that are stereotypical and you get all offended, man, you're living life wrong that's all I can say is if you are, if you need to be that big of a victim, that says everything everyone needs to know about you yeah, and it look they've got to be funny.
Speaker 2:It can't be just a chopped off head of Trump with blood on it. That's not funny. It's got to be an actual joke. But.
Speaker 1:South Park writers are pretty good, but when you're making fun of Trump by having Mr Mackey or whoever play the Trump character and you go off on the deep end on it, it's funny. It is, it's funny.
Speaker 2:It was the gay teacher, it wasn't Mr Mackey, but yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But Mr Garrison, yeah, mr Garrison, that's right, I forgot his name. Yeah, so it was really funny seeing a German laughing at these jokes because he's like, because here, here's what I saw in that video, um, and that's why I sent it to you. I was curious to see what your thoughts were. But what I see is somebody who sees the the funniness in what they're doing, but also, you see that behind closed doors, germans absolutely still do make these jokes and they still talk about it, and there still is a jewish stereotype that exists in germany, like it has in most places.
Speaker 1:Well, but they're supposed to pretend I generated photo that you had x make of you, that I think gerbils would have been proud of, that you had X make of you that I think Goebbels would have been proud of.
Speaker 2:I like that photo, dude. I don't understand why you it just makes you look very stereotypically Jewish dude.
Speaker 1:It goes down that road.
Speaker 2:Well, it's probably the most realistic-looking text-based AI picture. I've done period, so I don't know what that tells you. You know, as a southern pacific islander person myself. I feel like there's generally been a misvertrail of minority groups such as myself in. Ai images, so I'm happy that Elon Musk is doing a better job now.
Speaker 1:I'm just, I'm happy that Elon Musk is doing a better job now.
Speaker 2:I'm just, I'm going to hell and I'm okay with it. So, anyway, do check out that video. I'm telling you this, not the readers or readers, listeners. What are you folks? Are you readers or readers, listeners? What are you folks? Are you readers or listeners? But it is. I'm trying to remember the guy's name. Let me scroll up and see if I can remember his name from looking at the link I sent you. Where was that video? I did send it to you, right, you did?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought I did.
Speaker 2:I'm not finding it now. Huh, weird, why am I not seeing it? Okay, anyway, it's a German dude reacting. Also you made fun of, or rather you didn't make fun of, because you didn't understand the humor in my monitors.
Speaker 1:diagram image yeah, I didn't get it, I it, I. I don't see how. The first of all, I didn't even recognize that it was monitors a monitors diagram.
Speaker 3:I was like what the hell is this?
Speaker 1:because then the windows default.
Speaker 2:It shows uh numbers, not letters, like that so you're using some third third party yeah, yeah which is fine, but I I didn't recognize that and I don't really think it looked like a cock and balls, but okay okay, well, I I have uh now set up um six monitors connected talking to my computer, and so I I am having to use some special software to do that. Uh.
Speaker 1:So twitch is why what you saw was well, part of that is because you're also there. Some of them are connected to other computers right.
Speaker 2:That's why, well, they are special software not, not exactly.
Speaker 1:Windows can't handle six monitors.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly. But the way I arranged them was just I don't know just. Wherever I had empty space was where the monitor ended up going, basically, and what ends up happening on the diagram on the computer so that you align the monitor so when you move your mouse it goes in a straight line, is to me was like oh, this is hilarious. I have basically like a, a dick and ball shape that's created by my monitors without trying, like I wasn't attempting to do something funny, it just so happened to me and then you didn't see it.
Speaker 1:What gene is admitting to is.
Speaker 2:He's got some, uh, deformed bits deformed, but what are you talking about, dude?
Speaker 1:like. I just don't like. I see something totally different when I look at that image what do you see when you I'm not gonna play the Svorak test?
Speaker 2:Let's find out what Ben thinks by looking at a bunch of squares lined up Post that on.
Speaker 1:Twitter and ask people what they see. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's a good idea. Let me do that right now. I'll copy the image and I will ask people.
Speaker 1:What do you see in this monitor arrangement? Yeah, yeah, okay, people, what do you see in this uh monitor arrangement? Yeah, yeah, okay, I will say that's a lot of real estate. Uh, from a monitor standpoint. I don't know what you're putting up on monitor e, but it seems teeny.
Speaker 2:keep in mind that monitors c and d are 47 inches each. Yeah, that seems good. Monitors B and A are 27 inch monitors, yeah, and the E is a 24 inch and F is a, I guess, a 24 inch. So there's a lot of it literally is a 180 degrees, so E and D face each other, so one is to my right side, one is directly to my left side, so it's a complete wraparound.
Speaker 1:I understand the point of that.
Speaker 2:Well, that's because you don't play video games. Every one of those monitors is actually actively using the video game. Okay, yeah, kind of nutty I know, but uh, anyway, I thought it was funny, but clearly not to everybody well, I just a didn't understand what I was looking at and b.
Speaker 1:uh, you know, I, I'm just like okay and yeah, I'm just like okay and yeah.
Speaker 2:So did you see the pew pew tactics test of body armor? I'm going to send you that if you didn't.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Now that you're all getting into body armor.
Speaker 1:Say chits janks, or what.
Speaker 3:No no.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I'm not getting into it, I just you know.
Speaker 2:No, it won't be long before ben's got a whole room worth of body armor, body armor, and then suppressors and other nfa items suppressors we should have had a long time ago and that should have never been on the fucking nfa. This is just retarded. Suppressors are literally hearing protection devices.
Speaker 1:Did you see the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruling?
Speaker 2:Yeah. About knives yeah, yeah, which defined knives as arms and therefore guaranteed by the Second Amendment Technically.
Speaker 1:I have to say I agree with them. I do.
Speaker 2:Technically, I have to say I agree with them. I do Because prior to firearms, arms existed and the firearms. The reason they're called firearms is to distinguish them from other types of arms, which knives, swords, all fall into. So, yeah, I think it's a good ruling, but I man, massachusetts is a state with a whole shit ton of gun laws and now he's gonna have they just shot themselves in the foot on?
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean I can't imagine that the rest of the gun laws now don't go back to the same judge in trials, to, I mean it will take time, but the the point is this is a very good ruling.
Speaker 1:It is and it actually this knife ruling could have impacts to the nfa and the reason why is because, basically, they prohibited the manufacturer sale and everything else of switchblade knives right and the massachusetts supreme court not exactly a bastion of conservatism said you can't do that. That's against the Second Amendment. Yep, so literally that same logic could apply to every gun ban. And it should the NFA. Yes, it should, it should.
Speaker 2:This is the patheticness. Sorry to interrupt you, ben, but this is because I'm vehemently agreeing with you here. But this is how pathetic the republican party is that for the last 40, 50, 60 years no, it's been longer than that, even that they have allowed the nfa to stand, done nothing about it and are just pretending like, oh well, it's all good because it's only affecting full automatic guns, it's only affecting suppressors. No, this was never constitutionally legal to do. They never Congress should have. If they pass that law, it should have been challenged and thrown out within three, four years max.
Speaker 2:The fact that it hasn't been just shows you how much capitulation there has been from the people that call themselves the pro-second amendment party. That is such hogwash uh agreed exactly well, for a change, we give people an episode where we agree more than we disagree that's okay, man for a change uh, point is good news, good stuff coming, and you know what?
Speaker 1:all I can say is we've got to keep up the pressure, we've got to keep up the fight and keep this going. Because here's the thing I I I'm pretty negative, I'm pretty black pilled on the when this country ends up, but what I would say is I will never take that as an excuse To stop what you do is you find Motivation in it and you plan For the worst and you hope for the best.
Speaker 1:And if it turns out that you know by saying you know what I think this country is fucked and if we don't get it together we're definitely fucked. So by keeping that up we end up pulling it out I will be happily surprised and be very happy to be wrong.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I have the same attitude. If Trump somehow manages to become the next president, I'll be super happy. I don't think it's going to happen, but I'll be super happy. I think Democrats are going to do exactly what they did last time There'll be magic votes that arrive for Kamala and being the least popular vice president in the history of all vice presidents she will get the most votes of any person ever to become president.
Speaker 1:I don't see how they can do that, but you know, I think if they do do that, it has to go to civil war like how can you, if you get slapped in the face with something that egregious, how do you accept it?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, well, and remember this is. This is why they went so hard on january 6 people is because they were afraid and still are of civil war and they're like, oh, thank God it didn't happen. We just had a bunch of tourists walking through the Capitol. But boy, let's make sure we tell people to never even try that again by throwing the book at them. Throwing books that didn't exist for anybody else, literally at people that did nothing wrong whatsoever, that walked into a building with open doors with the cops waving them in. They're serving multi-year prison sentences with pedophiles yeah, man, I agreed.
Speaker 1:So how do we? I I just don't see how we accept that. I think if they do that again, like there is no choice, it has to go to civil war. At that point, as much as I don't want to say that like there's not much more of an option there, because if you're going to lie and do that sort of thing and steal that election again, I don't know what else you do I'm not calling for it.
Speaker 1:I'm saying I don't see an alternative to it, I don't see a way out, I don't see an off-ramp. Yeah, I'm. I'm hoping someone proves me wrong and finds one yeah, yeah and again.
Speaker 2:I think, with all his foibles and problems, trump Trump is not an ideal, perfect person. No but he's by far the best that we got in, rolling back the the four years of absolute shit that we've had to live with in this country with the Biden administration.
Speaker 1:Well, and not only that, but you have Tulsi and RFK jr coming out and endorsing him and joining the team. Yeah, um, I I'm very curious to see who's next in that list. I think rogan's going to come out and endorse him at some point. I think that's going to be one of the october surprises I think rogan has kind of written his uh piece.
Speaker 2:There he's. He said publicly trump will never be on my program. He said that even though you know clearly Trump is the better person here, I'm still not going to vote for him. I think Rogan's got a beef with Trump from something probably from when they were both on TV, is my guess. And my guess is that they will make amends and it will be all better and things will change. I mean, maybe I don't be a hell of an october surprise it.
Speaker 2:It would be better for rogan than for trump, because I don't think there's a whole lot of rogan rogan listeners that are swayed by rogan on who he votes for I think it would be.
Speaker 1:I sorry to interrupt you, but I think it would be a very big cultural statement.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, sure, but again, I think it would be basically, given what Rogan said and what Trump said as well, which is, next time Joe Rogan goes to UFC, he's going to have people booing him, and I know that's the case.
Speaker 2:There are plenty of people that'll pick trump over rogan when it comes to uh, uh, you know which side do you want to stand on, because I I've enjoyed rogan, obviously, for a long time. I didn't like his move to uh, the paid platform, and I think that did change the the content that he has quite a bit, but lately, like in the last year or so, I think his content is very similar to his content before he was on that network, um, and the videos are coming out fairly quickly onto youtube, which was. My other complaint is like I don't like all this, like behind the paywall bullshit that they're doing. Uh, so I don't know, man, it's, it's hard to see. The only reason that I can imagine rogan like bending the knee to trump, which is what would have to happen for this to what you're describing like this is trump doesn't need to do anything. Rogan needs to bend the knee to trump. He needs to say I was wrong.
Speaker 2:Trump is the best candidate and I hope we all, myself included, vote for trump if rogan does that trump will definitely forgive him yeah, but I think the theo von interview was a shot directly across rogan's bow dude, not only did he do theo man, which made theo look like a much better interviewer than he had been in the past that I watched but also did you see all the other people that interviewed trump?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but theobon is a direct shot.
Speaker 2:Fired man I because he's a comedian.
Speaker 1:You mean their wife yeah, yeah, yes, and friends with joe. So yeah, right, right, right yeah definitely, definitely so it's.
Speaker 2:I mean all of them, all the interviews were basically trump saying see, this could have been you, rogan, but it's not gonna be ever yeah unless, joe, you know yeah, and that's one thing that trump does have as a quality is he is so willing to flip-flop on his position. When not a position, flip-flop on his characterization of a person once that person is on his side.
Speaker 1:Lion turned to lion.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh, exactly Exactly. He will lose all the little negative nicknames in a heartbeat and talk about how great this person is. So, and that's again, one of the things I actually dislike about trump is he. He's way too malleable. This was what we saw in his first term. Is a slew of these rhinos coming in and then using that malleability? He's not, I'll tell you. Trump should be a little more aluminum, a little less steel.
Speaker 1:Oh, what an analogy to tie it all back together. And with that we're going to go ahead and wrap it up.
Speaker 2:Well, good chatting with you again, ben. Have a happy Labor Day for whatever that socialist holiday means to you.
Speaker 1:Uh it means a good trip to the gun range for me. There you go.
Speaker 2:See, that's the go. Go practice shooting some, uh, socialists, that's always a good thing. Um, we will see you in in about a week.
Speaker 1:All right.
