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Gene and Ben Season 2024 Episode 89

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Ever wondered how political satire could bring unexpected laughter across the aisle? Join us as we recount the comedic highlights from the Al Franken dinner in New York, where Donald Trump's sharp humor surprised even Chuck Schumer. We'll take you through an intriguing discussion on Kamala Harris's controversial remarks about free speech, coupled with musings on how she and Trump might fare on Joe Rogan's stage. Get ready to see political figures in a new light as we draw parallels to other bold personalities like Tulsi Gabbard and Elon Musk, who constantly challenge the status quo.

Shifting from politics to pop culture, we'll navigate the cosmos of science fiction, reminiscing about series like "Doctor Who," "Firefly," and "Farscape." Discover the charm of William Hartnell's Doctor and the heartbreak of "Stargate Universe" ending too soon. We’ll share personal connections to these fantastical worlds and explore how they’ve cultivated fervent fanbases and timeless appeal. Our conversation also touches on the art of hunting firearms—perfect for those considering a duck hunting trip or pondering the nuances of shotgun selection.

Engaging with some of society's more contentious topics, we'll debate the intricacies of drunk driving laws, individual freedoms, and the government's role in our everyday lives. Delve into demographic trends and political speculation, pondering what America's aging population means for the future. Finally, get curious about the quirky and the conspiratorial, from Elon Musk's space endeavors to the persistent flat Earth theories. This episode promises a rich tapestry of stories, debates, and humor, designed to captivate both the politically curious and the pop culture enthusiasts.

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Speaker 1:

Howdy Ben, howdy Gene. How are you this morning, sir? I'm all right. How about yourself? I'm doing all right. You know it's been a rough week, but I'm doing good.

Speaker 2:

You back in town.

Speaker 1:

I am back in College Station. Yes, Mm-hmm, Nice yeah, but lots of stuff going on. So my mom had some medical issues this uh week we had to attend to. So I was uh down in beaumont for her surgery and everything else and it was just a rough week.

Speaker 2:

Everything goes well. But yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1:

Uh, I wish we had jingles I'd play a fuck cancer fuck cancer.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, I know well, I mean if, if we really wanted to, we probably could do jingles, I just yeah yeah like every other show, does jingles jingles and you know clips and stuff like that there.

Speaker 1:

There are times when it would be useful, uh, especially illustrating points, but you know we're lazy on that, so it's okay well we're lazy.

Speaker 2:

I also feel it's a a little more intellectual show when it's two people discussing a topic, rather than simply sitting back and hitting the play button and saying, all right, here you go, we're gonna play for you guys and and then we'll? We'll make a comment or two and then do it again. So I I feel like that's fired. People tune in to listen to us talk, not to hear clips being played. But that's just me. Um, so there's a bunch of stuff we can talk about, but I guess the what is it the al franken dinner or something they had in new york.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, yeah, that was hilarious that that that felt like the whole damn thing was a saturday night live skit, dude, I I have never.

Speaker 1:

I Okay. So Trump definitely had writers for those jokes, but he had decent writers for those jokes and some of them were just so hilarious, you know, like the the one about tampons, right, you know Democrats say a man can menstruate and never believed it. And then I met him once.

Speaker 2:

Oh shots fired, oh, shots fired, shots fired. And I gotta say watching, um, what's his face? The? Uh, the senator from new york there schumer. He was laughing at a lot of stuff that he shouldn't have been laughing at.

Speaker 1:

Yeah well, including the jokes about him.

Speaker 2:

Yeah well that he may have been pretending to laugh at, but there was a lot of zingers about democrats that he was just like visibly smiling. Then couldn't help himself, man, yeah well, you know, I I between that, and then kamala's recent appearances, dude this election better be just over if, if it's um, uh, if, if the democrats end up being declared victors again, I think a lot more people will start saying, yeah, these things are totally rigged well, so you saw her comments about free speech.

Speaker 1:

Um which show?

Speaker 2:

oh, she's been all over the place?

Speaker 1:

dude, she was. I forget where she was talking, but she basically said that, uh, the unregulated free speech on social media has to change. Mm, hmm. Mm, hmm. And even Joe Rogan was like this is, this is complete nuts, this is insane.

Speaker 2:

I know he's her biggest supporter. What?

Speaker 1:

the hell man. Well, you know she might be going on a show, mm, hmm, yeah, yeah, I think. I don't think she's that dumb. Maybe she is. The brett bear interview was bad enough, but can you imagine her on joe rogan for an hour?

Speaker 2:

two hours. I can't imagine her on for more than half an hour with anybody. Joe's normal shows are two hours so right, but she said so.

Speaker 1:

She didn't even do a full half hour interview with brett bear. She showed up late, um you know. They basically told him well, this is what you get and that's it and um, I don't know, man, I I think it's.

Speaker 1:

It's pretty telling the way she cannot handle herself, she. You know, during the Brett Baier interview it was word salad after word, salad after word salad. So I don't know, I really I would love to see her, even if they don't do a debate. You know everyone's calling on Joe to just tell Trump and Kamala to show up at the same time and trick them into a debate. But just watching the two polar opposites that would come out of those interviews would be amazing.

Speaker 2:

I think Trump would enjoy talking to Joe, even though Joe was addicted to Trump. But I don't know about Kamala man. I think that she was so visibly shaken at the Fox interview I don't know that anyone can talk her into doing any more interviews.

Speaker 1:

I think she has copied Trump in every rich way, and when it looked like, you know, there was a good chance of Trump actually doing the Joe Rogan interview, they immediately reached out to Joe. So I think if Trump does it, kamala is likely to want to.

Speaker 2:

But it'll be something like Trump will be on for two hours and they'll figure out a way to make her on for like 20 minutes, or she'll just mail Joe a videotape of herself.

Speaker 1:

I don't think Joe's going to air that or accept it, or if he does, it may be in snippets while he's talking to trump, which would be, hilarious yeah, it's uh again.

Speaker 2:

The the sadder part of this is seeing people who still support her.

Speaker 1:

Well, but they're just, you know, they're neophytes, they're the kind of people who are going to do something and believe something, no matter what. Uh, they don't question themselves or their beliefs. You know, I, I, and I think this is a big difference between between I won't even call it the right and the left. It's just the division in the country, because when you look at tulsi gabbard, elon musk, rfk, jr, these are not right-leaning people by any stretch of the imagination.

Speaker 2:

I sent you that photo. I'm like six former democrat voters, right, but all these people, uh, have said at one point or another in their lives they voted democrat. Really, all six of them that are on the republican side.

Speaker 1:

But my point is they're thinking people, they, they question their beliefs. They change their beliefs over time. Just look at elon musk on the trans issue. He was fine with trans, didn't see a problem with it, had a kid, you know. They told him oh yeah, this is fine, this is reversible. Whatever he believed them and then found out later, oh no, this isn't. And has really, I I think, had some pretty honest struggles about what he allowed to happen to his son and, you know, really struggled with it.

Speaker 2:

Well, not that he had much of a choice, but yeah, well, in California, no, he didn't. It's the mom.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but at the same time he did not oppose.

Speaker 2:

He made a critical mistake. He should have identified as the woman and then he would have equal rights with his wife, but he failed to do that you think that's what bruce jenner. Did you know? Bruce jenner was trapped in a clearly, uh, very abusive relationship marriage yes, exactly.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I don't think anybody missed that point yeah, you know what, though, seeing bruce and what has happened to him and knowing his mom the way I do, I can totally understand, like I understand, why he would be so fucked up. I I get it. Uh, knowing esther jenner, though, you know and everything it's, she was a just a horrible human being now used to mow their lawn or something no, my dad built a house for him.

Speaker 1:

Oh okay, yeah, my dad built a house for esther and jenner in idaho. And yeah, only people to ever sue my parents.

Speaker 2:

Oh, my God.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, hmm, it was an interesting thing, but yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2:

So well, we can get off of Bruce and get back on the political stuff. So the last of the what are described as the leaders of Hamas had a farewell video. Did you watch that?

Speaker 1:

No, but the backup to the backup to the backup is dead, so what difference does it?

Speaker 2:

make. Well, the interesting bit was they had IDF sent a drone in to the house where he was hiding after an explosion and you see what appears to be a a slightly dismembered dead corpse in a chair, and then that dead corpse starts moving and then chucks a stick at the drone and then dies. It was a video game. Death Is my point. It was like when you kill that final boss and you know you think, okay, well, I'm finished with this level, and then the thing comes back to life For a split second, just to scare the shit out of you.

Speaker 1:

That's what it looked like to me, being a video game guy yeah, you know I'm not a huge proponent of the way things are going, but.

Speaker 2:

I know well, hopefully you'll come around what do you mean? Well to be more of a proponent. The way things are going why would I do that? I don't know. Probably just at some point you'll realize you're you're supporting the wrong side for the wrong reasons and you'll come around and you'll come around.

Speaker 1:

Why would I do that? I don't think I am.

Speaker 2:

Well, we talked about the intellect of people that realize when they're wrong they change their minds. Yes, but that would require me being wrong. Require you being intelligent, not wrong. Uh-huh, uh-huh.

Speaker 1:

Mr 187.

Speaker 2:

IQ.

Speaker 1:

That's right. Hey says that on x must be true, man, dude. Here's the thing I I have no problem with israel existing as a country. I have a problem with how that country came about. I have a problem with how the entire world has kept that country afloat. And you know, as far as I'm concerned, remove all aid, remove everything from them. If they need to use the Samson option, whatever Fine it's them. We just got to stop funding it.

Speaker 2:

that's my problem there oh, I agree with all that. I I think we're on the same page. I've been saying for many years that the financial support to israel is doing nothing but propping up the military industrial complex in the us, because, you know, zero dollars actually goes to israel. It's all going to us companies. Israel is certainly benefiting from this, don't get me wrong, but it's not like we're sending, you know, uh, shipments of cash to them the way that we were sending shipments of cash to iran during obama uh, okay, I I don't see a material difference.

Speaker 1:

They're getting a benefit from it and I don't think there's any argument there.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, no, I, I want to be consistent. I want to stop a to all the countries we're currently sending aid to. There's zero benefit in us doing that. There may have been strategically at some point when that first shipment of aid was sent, but certainly not anymore okay, I no disagreement there.

Speaker 2:

Yeah no, I, I, that's the thing is. I. I think, um, I think that is a sort of a default libertarian position back when the libertarians weren't socialists yet and um, and that's something that I've always had disagreement with, with the republican party as well as the democrats, depending on which country you want to support um, I just think that, like any sort of government agency, once you set up a budget for it, their goal for next year is just to ensure that they still have a budget, and that's true of all the countries that we currently support.

Speaker 1:

But that's the problem with not zero baseline budgeting. They do it based off of a set increase year over year. Yeah, did you see the debt? We had half a trillion dollars added to the debt in the last three weeks. No, yeah, that popped up. Huh, yeah, hmm, and no real explanation as to where that came from.

Speaker 2:

Really Mm-hmm. So that's not just covering all the new ukrainian promises that biden just made. I don't believe it's a half a billion to no trillion yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, yeah, interesting.

Speaker 1:

No, I haven't seen that pop up, so I would have definitely yeah so here's a different article, but it's a trillion dollars in the last three months, but half of that was in the last three weeks.

Speaker 2:

Well, obviously somebody's making some kind of last ditch push to get money spent before there's a change in presidency.

Speaker 1:

Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

No-transcript don't know that you actually do some reporting and get to the bottom of what compromise that difference yeah, what if people don't know?

Speaker 1:

the us federal government's fiscal year rolls over, uh, in the third quarter, so that's where a lot of spending comes in. That's where you know most of the stuff happens.

Speaker 2:

Well, and we did hear the future first female president talking about how she thinks it would be appropriate to spend several trillion dollars to have reparations. You saw that right? No, I did not. Oh, yeah, yeah, I'll send you a link to that. Yeah, apparently she, at one of her interviews she was at they asked about reparations and she thought that you know, this country clearly owes black people um, reparations for you. I guess they're great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents or something. But um, uh, I don't think she was the one that added up the figure in her head, but she certainly agreed with it that, uh, that would come out to trillions of dollars with interest interest.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, okay. So what this comes out to is this country owes no one anything. We don't know our vets anything. We don't owe each other anything. We need to get rid of this entitlement methodology that we have, you know, instantiated for so long. What it comes down to is people who are for so long. What it comes down to is people who are literally sucking off the government dole one way or another. It just it has to stop. It cannot continue the way it has.

Speaker 1:

All right, sorry for that, ben yeah yeah, yeah, you're going to have to do some post-editing. It's okay, no, I'm not, I'm just going to post it. So for the uh, abrupt interruption, gene had to go get his groceries, which normally should happen on fridays during unrelenting, by the way that's true.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I did get saturday groceries today, but um what were we talking about? Stargate universe, right?

Speaker 1:

yeah, well, when you came back yeah, I was just listening to something while you were schlepping in your groceries and what were you listening? To uh. Just something on the planned third season. You know it's been 50.

Speaker 1:

It's the 15 year anniversary of the series getting canceled or something, so someone was doing something and I I liked that show so I found it I did too, man, but I don't think many people did I think the sci-fi channel just fucked up so many things, but that's neither here nor there yeah, but they also gave many things a chance that probably wouldn't have been on anything else yeah, true, yeah, uh, lex, and a bunch of other things.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, well, I mean yeah, the Canadian-German space TV show Lex, which was so weird.

Speaker 1:

I never got into that show because it was too adult when it was on for me as a child, apparently.

Speaker 2:

It is kind of adultish, for sure. I really liked it. I was surprised that somebody made it. It was a bit of a doctor who, in terms of special effects budget uh, there was a lot of pretending early doctor who yeah special? Effects budget. Let's be clear, yeah like the real doctor, who not the bullshit remake, oh jesus david tenant is an awesome doctor. Thank you, end of story yeah, he's not bad, but I just kind of doctor who was canceled and then they brought it back like 20 years later.

Speaker 1:

So so there's a big gap in there.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean you can argue for that, but apparently it's a woman now or something. I don't know.

Speaker 1:

I don't see it. I will be honest, I have after the Scottish doctor. They lost me. I have stopped watching and I was a huge doctor who fan.

Speaker 2:

So so you would say the same thing that I'm saying about the original show to somebody after they stop making it again and then restart 10, 15 years from now. You're going to be talking to somebody and saying, well, no doctor who, you mean like the doctor who through 2024 or 2022, whenever that switched over I.

Speaker 1:

But you have to realize I like the original doctor, who as well.

Speaker 2:

So yeah, so who's your favorite of the original doctors?

Speaker 1:

Oh, that's hard. I am trying to remember names right now. The very first doctor I actually really liked, like the original one from the 50s William Hartnell. Yeah, 50s or 60s. When they did that 60s, yep, To me he was like a.

Speaker 2:

Grandfather.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, grandfather figure, it was like an early versionfather. Yeah, grandfather figure, it was like an early version of Rick and Morty, but more wholesome.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I could see that I kind of like that you know, there is a little bit of a Rick and Morty kind of thing to it, and he's got his granddaughter, which is the last time we hear of Doctor's relatives.

Speaker 1:

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no in fact, we find out who the doctor's wife was.

Speaker 1:

In the new series with david that that's not canon as far as I'm concerned the uh the doctor has no relatives uh, well, I think you should really watch I I think you should really watch some of the new series because they get into the time war. They do a lot of things that are yeah, they're pretty good. They read that with the master a long time ago, so and uh, the, trust me, the and well, and they did a gender bender with the master, right, they? They? Made it misty, and you know there was lots of things there yeah.

Speaker 2:

So, uh, while you're thinking of yours, mine was definitely, uh, tom baker.

Speaker 1:

He was the he's a good one sort of the one with the scarf right.

Speaker 2:

He was the one with the scarf, yeah, yeah, and he introduced a um, a less serious doctor, a doctor that a lot of people started not understanding what the hell he was talking about, because prior to that they tended to be older he was. I mean, it's hard to say he was young, because I think he was in his 40s when he was a doctor, but prior to him the other actors they had were all older. They were all kind of I guess they were going backwards in terms of his age, starting with a genuine grandfatherly looking guy and then getting younger and younger and younger with each actor. Well, or at least young ish. I don't know if colin baker was the youngest of that batch or if it was mccoy, I don't remember. But uh, either way, I I really enjoyed the original series. I know it was definitely very geeky. People that watched Star Trek were nerdy. People that watched Doctor who were uber nerdy.

Speaker 2:

But I started watching it in 80s.

Speaker 1:

What does it say about me that I did both and liked both quite?

Speaker 2:

a bit. Oh, there's one word for you.

Speaker 1:

It's called homeschooled yes indeed, and also lost in space. You gotta remember, I like that too. Uh, I man, I was just all up in it battle star galactica. The original oh yeah, yeah, the original and the reboot, the reboot, the reboot was just amazing.

Speaker 2:

I totally agree with that, yeah.

Speaker 1:

The original was a little hokey. Well, yeah, but that was just the time.

Speaker 2:

You know that was the most expensive TV show ever made. At the time it was made. Not surprised.

Speaker 1:

It was a million dollars an episode, yeah, back then.

Speaker 2:

So it's like five million in episode in today's dollars, yeah, easily. Um, um, yeah, so I'm trying to think of what the uh, uh, oh, I was rewatching. Did I mention this already? I rewatched, um, uh, firefly and I'm in halfway through rewatching. Did I mention this already? I rewatched Firefly and I'm in halfway through rewatching the. What the Claudia Black that show, oh, yeah, farscape, farscape.

Speaker 1:

So Firefly, another series that was just they screwed up by a, airing the episodes out of order, yep, and then be canceling it as early as they did, yep. But I will say Firefly is actually a really good series for today. You know it's a wild wild west post-civil war story and you know a lot of the civil war items. Uh, I, I can see, even if a civil war is played out and my view of the bad guys win, that we would be in somewhat of a similar situation pretty easily actually.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and Joe Sweden is a very good writer, but he's a great world builder. There are few people in Hollywood that can make worlds like he can.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yes, but you're right on him being a world builder, but his individual stories. Eh.

Speaker 2:

Um, okay, so let me rephrase maybe, great writer. He's the type of writer that I enjoy, because every, every project he's done has been chocked full of inside references and breaking the third wall kind of stuff, like the characters are self-aware and generally that's a no-no. You want your characters to be written from an outside-in perspective, to be written, um, from an outside in perspective, uh it's, you know, buffy being probably his most famous show.

Speaker 2:

It's just a good show chocked full of self-referencing, self-deprecating and, uh um, pop culture type references. So when when I say great writer, I don't mean like an Edgar Allan Poe style writer, I mean like a writer that constantly, every few minutes, has a smile on my face because I get the joke he's trying to talk about in his writing. I gotcha.

Speaker 1:

There's a whole series of Firefly books that I have never read yeah and I think there's a. There's a comic book. I knew the comic, I read the comic. Oh yeah, okay, I've never a long time ago I, you know in my so I liked comics as a kid. Yeah, and I. I have a little bit of a comic book collection, not much of one, but a little bit with some cool ones, but none of them are unread.

Speaker 1:

That's not why I purchased them. And then in my 20s I got a tablet and you know, the digital comic books were a thing and I was able to go through and read a bunch of comics that I'd never read before and it was fantastic, like the Walking Dead, the early Walking Dead comic books before the series ever came out very good, very good. Comic books before the series ever came out very good, very good comic books like this is adult fiction comic books. This is not for kids and that's what a lot of people don't realize is. You know, when we say comic books, we think of, oh you know, little kid picture books, stories. But you know, I, I think the graphic novel is a legitimate, uh, legitimate literary, uh aim, in my opinion at least.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, well, certainly I've not really read any comic books since I was a kid. Um reading comic books since I was a kid, um, obviously aware of them and I've had friends that bought them. But I just, I guess if I'm gonna look at pictures, I'd prefer they'd be moving pictures instead of still um, but you know, I like, uh like, sin city. That was done in movie form and Frank Miller did incredible work in the comic. I've seen videos about that comic and certainly probably seen a bunch of videos about other comics as well. I just never bought the damn things.

Speaker 1:

Well, you know, you've got an iPad, download an app, download some comic books and read them there. But what I would say is the it, what it gives you is it, especially with a real, true graphic novel. What they're doing is it is just pure dialogue. There is no scene setting, language. So you know, it was a dark and stormy night. There's none of that. Well, that's because that's depicted in the picture Exactly, but the the rest of the dialogue and the literary prowess of some of these authors is equal to any pop fiction author of any other genre, like you know, or better in a lot of cases in my mind so to me, if you, you know, like a american in the going home series, that could have easily been a graphic novel and been just as good in my mind hmm, really, yes, now I I prefer a and I prefer letting my imagination be the thing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but I will just say that there's some good stuff out there. Hmm. I will say that the Babaverse books. By the way, while we're on books, I finished the last one. I'm very interested to see where he goes with the next book in the series. I haven't read anything else by that author but uh the it, it was funny, it was irreverent. Um, you know it very, andy wearish in his writing to an extent a little bit more formulaic. That that's okay to me, you know. Uh, I, I, I like that in a way.

Speaker 2:

So yeah, um, well, speaking of audio books, so I'm I still haven't finished that one that you sent from the no no, no, the, yeah, yeah, cry, havoc, yeah, uh, I think I've listened to the same chapter seven times now because I keep listening before going to sleep oh, maybe you should I know, I know, I just uh get back on video games and I'll I'll read more books eventually yeah, well, and look, I'll have plenty of time to be listening to books soon, because farm sim 2025 comes out soon and, unlike some of the other video games that I like to play, farming Simulator gives you plenty of opportunities to multitask.

Speaker 1:

Why? Why does that interest you at all Gene?

Speaker 2:

I just don't understand. Well, ever since I was a little kid, I liked playing with farm equipment.

Speaker 1:

Sure, you know, driving a tractor is fun, doing stuff is fun, but I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, you know, speaking of farm equipment, you remember the movie the three musketeers which year I think there's been several movies with that the one that came out in the 90s yeah so that movie came out and me and some friends you know we were kids and uh, we really liked it.

Speaker 1:

So we got some, uh, iron rods together and borrowed uh one of my friend's dad's well, tig welder and we welded up some swords and beat the living crap out of each other. Oh, my god, oh, this is what growing up on a farm gets you. Uh, you, you beat the shit out of each other, you do stupid things and I thought wooden swords was bad enough.

Speaker 1:

Metal swords, no, this was like we wanted it to be thin, like the you know the musketeer swords and stuff like that. So, oh my god, yeah we I. I wish I still had mine.

Speaker 2:

I would totally show it to my kids but you know, the ironic thing there I always thought was, given that they're named musketeers for the the type of soldier they are, why weren't they shooting guns in most of the movie instead of sword fighting?

Speaker 1:

Well, so the history of the musketeers. This is at an era where you're moving from swords to muskets, but you know, swords were still the primary weapon, Muskets were less so. I know, but it's called the musketeer and at that point in time, during french history, when the novel actually takes place, that they were more of an honorary position than anything else.

Speaker 2:

Right, they were supposed to be the king's guard and everything else, yeah, but if I see a movie about janitories, I don't expect to see a bunch of guys shooting arrows. Janice series I don't expect to see a bunch of guys shooting arrows. Okay.

Speaker 2:

So I don't know. That for me was always the Ever since I was a kid, and I remember I probably saw like the 1940s movie when I was a kid and I always just thought this makes no sense, and even when I was reading the book I was thinking the same thing. Okay, I just it felt strange. You know why don't you just call them the king's guard and be done with it?

Speaker 2:

because historically that's not what they were called well, maybe they should have been called something better and more appropriate to what they actually did. So I I talked to a buddy of mine that's in the armed services, yeah, and I've talked about video game, game stuff, but then, some reason, this joke came up. So he told me this joke is uh, you know, all the military branches use the sars to navigate. Um, the army uses I can't remember what the army uses them for, but they use them for something um the uh, you know, I'm really bad at this joke. I now that I think about it, I don't. All I remember is the punchline. I don't remember the setup. What was the punchline? The punchline so it's three branches you got. The Marines use them for blah blah blah. The Navy use them to navigate. I remember that the Army uses them for blah blah blah and the Air Force uses them for selecting a hotel. For selecting a hotel.

Speaker 2:

And the joke being that all the other services think the Air Force is basically a country club.

Speaker 1:

Well, in a way it is, but yes.

Speaker 2:

It kind of is. Apparently they have the best golf courses of all the military facilities in the US.

Speaker 1:

Well, yeah, there's lots of things there there, but yeah so yeah, sorry, I kind of butchered that joke well, you know, I I was reminded of a reagan joke um not too long ago and, uh, I'll try and save you.

Speaker 1:

So this woman walks into a dress shop to buy her wedding dress for what will be her fourth wedding and the she, the lady at the counter says, well, what kind of dress would you like? And she says, well, I would like a long, flowing white dress with a veil. And the lady kind of looks at scans at her this is going to be your fourth wedding. Don't you think that's a little inappropriate? It's usually more reserved for a woman more innocent, and the woman puts her hand on her hip and says I'll have, you know, I'm as innocent as the rest of them. How so?

Speaker 1:

Well, my first husband we got to the hotel room to start our honeymoon after the marriage and the excitement was too much for him and he died. My second husband we got in a fight in the limousine on the way to the hotel and quickly had the marriage annulled and never spoke again. What about the third husband? The woman asked. What about the third husband? The woman asked well, my third husband was democrat and for four years sat on the edge of the bed telling me how good it was going to be that's a good one.

Speaker 1:

I like that you know what as much of a shitty president as reagan was, and I don't think there's really any argument on that. But but well, there is. But the same people who also worship Lincoln worship, you know, reagan, which. They have very interesting corollaries there as far as the rights and infringements, but neither here nor there. He was a good communicator and a genuinely funny guy.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, there's a lot of similarities with trump in that account. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think and there he was he was when he was the governor of california. I think he was kind of the peak of his wit um once he was president of the us.

Speaker 1:

That definitely slowed down well and you know the thing about reagan. I will say that you know his time for choosing speech at the 68 republican convention was phenomenal. I fully agree with him in many, many ways. Uh, a lot of the early reagan policy ideas, a lot of what he did. I think well of him.

Speaker 2:

But then there's just the assault weapons ban and everything else. Yeah, the nfa expansion rather right, he made the same mistake that trump did, which is in choosing a deep state running mate.

Speaker 2:

Uh yeah, had he not had a push along, I think some of those decisions would have been very different. But quite possibly, yes, yeah, I mean like reagan was a, uh, a life member of the nra for decades, um, way before he was president. Yeah, george bush signed up, uh, literally while he was running. Yeah, well, and Even if you're not a fan of the NRA itself, just keep in mind that back then that was the only thing that was an easy measurement of whether somebody was pro-gun or anti-gun, because the average person didn't really give a shit one way or the other. But generally people signed up for the Nra to get the, the ten thousand dollar I shot somebody.

Speaker 1:

Insurance policy that used to come along with it well, you know the the problem with reagan is he went through and there were many things that happened to Reagan that were bad. The expansion of the NFA and the machine gun ban bad. The national drunk driving laws bad. The national seatbelt laws bad. These were all things that happened under Reagan that just were not not a libertarian.

Speaker 2:

Well, but the certainly the nfa stuff he could have prevented yes, he could have vetoed, there was no proof majority there the the seat belt laws, I think was administrative. I don't think that was something that congress passed um, if I remember correctly.

Speaker 1:

And it's still his administration doing it and tying it to highway funds.

Speaker 2:

I'm just saying that a lot of times, administrations do things without consulting the president. Now you can argue that well, he could have just done an executive order. Yeah, absolutely, he could have made a difference in the administration, but I think that really started way before he was in and it continues to this day, as you say. Um, a lot of these administrative departments are very self-running. No one talks to anybody higher up and generally the people that are appointed to them. When a new president comes in, they're usually picked from a group of folks that are already part of that cabal.

Speaker 1:

So you know a lot of people are probably sitting there going Ben. Why would seatbelt laws and drunk driving be so bad? Look, no one thinks that drunk driving is a good idea. No one thinks driving without a seatbelt is a good idea. But it ought to be. It should not be illegal for you to drive without a seatbelt You're doing you're harming no one but yourself, right? That is your choice as a sovereign individual. To do with your body, would you please? I personally buckle up all the time. Why? Because I think it's a safety device that you know. I've been in wrecks.

Speaker 2:

It's not a bad thing yeah, and I, I was driving when all that stuff was happening, uh, when the laws started passing, and I remember a lot of the conversations about how you're safe for not being buckled up because you'll just fly out the windshield, that's way better than being crushed inside the car, and there's tons of anecdotal stories that were going around of people talking about how much safer it is to not be seat belted.

Speaker 2:

Uh, I always see that persisted till when I was a kid probably yeah, but I I seat belted pretty much my entire life because of an event that happened to me when I was 16. Um, I was driving my car and I I was stopped to make a left turn on a uh a snowy Minnesota night and another vehicle uh ran into the back of my car at a pretty good clip and so the the seat belt definitely. Well, there's one other part to it. So I had a passenger who was not seatbelted because it was not a lot of time, and at that accident I definitely had some whiplash, like my muscles were really sore, but you know, the seatbelt kind of kept me close to the seat.

Speaker 2:

So when you get rear-ended you, the car moves forward, you get pressed into the back of the seat, your head flies back into the headrest, but then the seat belt kept you from bouncing off the seat and flying and hitting the wind. The uh steering wheel, uh, the other guy who wasn't wearing a seat belt bounced off the uh dash the dashboard and ended up having a spinal injury because his body and was not in a straight line like there was some twist to it during the accident. Whatever happened, point is he had to be uh moved out of there in a ambulance because he was in horrible pain. Now the funny part about this is this was during a, when I was working for domino's pizza and a pizza hut driver hit the back of my car, so it was two pizza delivery cars getting into accident so just to just to finish my point though yeah, the you know drunk driving laws.

Speaker 1:

Again, you're you definition of a crime. You're not committing a crime until you commit a crime and just because something will make you more likely to commit a crime, ie the destruction on one's property, one's liberty, uh, or you know oneself. Um doesn't mean you know anyway, it's just a. The point is and we derailed a little bit there but the point is that you cannot legislate uh, morality in that way. In my mind and now I know there are people who argue with me you know, our favorite uh state senator in virginia very much disagrees with me he would say that morality is the only thing you can legislate, but we have varying definitions of what we're talking about there.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and while I totally agree with you on seatbelts, I somewhat disagree with you on drunk driving because I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. So your point is that it oughtn't be a crime unless another actual crime has been committed.

Speaker 1:

Well, it shouldn't matter. So if I'm tired, yeah and I fall asleep at the wheel and cause an accident. What difference does it make that I was tired versus drunk or anything else? The point is, I caused the accident. The accident is the crime right, right.

Speaker 2:

So I think what? What is being punished with drunk driving laws, and the only part of it that I agree with is that you shouldn't be driving under the influence. I agree.

Speaker 1:

I don't agree with you. Shouldn't be driving tired either.

Speaker 2:

Right, but I don't agree with the extensions of that like random drunk driving stops. Those are totally illegal. There's no way that you ought to be pulled over to see if you're committing a crime. That's insanity. But I do think that, given that courts have upheld the fact that driving a vehicle is not a right, driving a vehicle is a social contract.

Speaker 1:

That, you can be taking away On its face that that is prima facie of false in my mind.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I don't. I think all roads ought to be private and I should be able to decide who I allow on my road if I have a road, and if they were private then that would be one thing.

Speaker 1:

But the right to travel is substantiated in the constitution and you're more than welcome to walk yeah, and that's bullshit, because there there was no.

Speaker 1:

Oh, you're the right to ride a horse? No, it's like saying that that is the same argument idiots use for the con, for saying, well, they didn't know about, uh, ar-15s when they wrote the second amendment. No, the second amendment the right to keep and bear arms was written the way it was to allow for technological innovation. Same thing with the right to travel. It was just not in an amendment in the Bill of Rights. It was already instantiated in the Constitution. You know, there was no. Oh, you can travel by horse and buggy between states. There was no. You can walk between states no, the right to travel is as technologically independent as the Second Amendment is.

Speaker 2:

You're more than welcome to travel, just not on the highway.

Speaker 1:

Again, it's a public road paid for by public money. The government does not get to tell me what to do.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, which is an argument against roads. Sure, fine.

Speaker 1:

I will gladly take that bargain.

Speaker 2:

Well, it's, yeah, I mean like that's the hardcore libertarian stance on it for sure, which is that Shocker Ben is a fairly hardcore libertarian. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my my take on on roads which I don't like being called a libertarian anymore especially, I know it's yeah, but only as he says.

Speaker 2:

But you know, classical liberal wants ultimate freedom, thinks that government is anathema to individual liberties and freedom and does nothing good I, I do, uh, and this, I think, differ from some of the, the historical libertarians, in that I think that, in my mind at least, the the public roads are just private roads owned by certain entities, whether they're municipalities or whether they're states, or that they're the federal government, and that we have, as a people, agreed that, in order to have high-speed roads, there are certain things we're willing to adhere to on those high-speed roads, things we're willing to adhere to on those high speed roads, and one of those in my mind is if I'm driving down the highway at 80 miles an hour, I would prefer that there are no drunk people around me.

Speaker 1:

Sure, I would too, I agree. And the problem is making it a law.

Speaker 2:

I'm okay with having a law against drunk driving. I'm not okay with randomly testing to see if you're a drunk driver or not, but I have no problem with making.

Speaker 1:

One follows the other.

Speaker 2:

Not necessarily. I mean, it does in the sense that if the law didn't exist, they couldn't stop you. You're right about that. But they don't have to stop you just because there's a law. They don't have to stop you just because there's a law. And I think that there are laws for plenty of things that we don't allow the government to just randomly check on.

Speaker 1:

Yeah Well, the the problem is these are kids, but the government can't come into your house randomly Check on your kids. The fuck, they can't. Um, not randomly. Uh, pretty randomly.

Speaker 2:

Only when your wife wants them to anyway, um the.

Speaker 1:

The real story here is that it is natural for tyranny to advance and liberty to retreat over time, until we get to the point where it is no longer tolerable which I think we are approaching fast and then you either end up in a revolution or our dictatorship, and it remains to be seen where we are going to go well, and I and I do think liberty is inversely proportional to the population density um, yes, I'm not arguing which is the cause of it.

Speaker 1:

But there is definitely I will a proportion there. Uh, yeah, I, I will 100, argue that um the more dense the population, by human nature and necessity, it, it will you know, increase tyranny.

Speaker 2:

I think that that is by necessity or just by human nature, because I would definitely agree with the human nature. I'm not sure I would agree with necessity.

Speaker 1:

Necessity in the sense of how do I put this?

Speaker 2:

Because you're kind of making an argument against what you were arguing before as far as drunk driving.

Speaker 1:

No, no, no Necessity in the sense, human nature tied to it. I think we're saying the same thing. What I would say is that you know, as the population density increases, you know, if you're on even five acres and your nearest neighbor is that far away from you and your house is in the middle, you don't really give a shit what they do. You don't care if they play loud music, you don't care what they're doing on their land, it doesn't affect you.

Speaker 1:

And that's a small plot of land, small plot of land. But when you're living in a neighborhood like I'm sitting in right now, quite frankly, and you are and our houses are my houses aren't super close together in this neighborhood, but they're close enough you know, yeah, my neighbor could annoy me now. Would I use the force of government for that? No, but I can see where.

Speaker 3:

That is how a lot of people would do it but I can see where that is how a lot of people would do it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and that's a good point is if it is a possibility that my neighbor can make so much noise that I would hear it. Um, I think that that sort of creates a natural limit to like how far apart you should live. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Agreed, and, uh, I'm. I'm a little closer than that, like, my closest neighbor is across the street from me, with a fairly short driveway, and my driveway is basically a car length, so the houses are facing right on the street. Um, now, that's still way better than people living in downtown austin or downtown new york, where they're on top of each other literally.

Speaker 1:

But uh, ideally you could have a little gun range back to your house and your neighbor would barely hear anything yeah, so uh, I'm trying to do some math here a hundred thousand million billion divided by what's the adult population of the us, to earn something 360 ish. No, that's the total population, oh, adult.

Speaker 2:

Okay, I can Google it. Adult population of US. So the 18 pluses you're saying?

Speaker 1:

Yes, so it's 258 million. Okay. So 258 million.

Speaker 2:

So a third of the population is under 18? That seems awfully high.

Speaker 1:

Not really so. The continental US right now, with the current population. If we divided the country up equally, we could give every single adult in the US eight acres.

Speaker 2:

That's cool.

Speaker 1:

Now you consider some of them married and combines, obviously that increases, so on and so forth.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so 78% of the US is over 18. Okay, yeah, that makes more sense. Yep.

Speaker 1:

We're an aging country. Gene.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would be shocked if it was like a third under 18, because that's the kind of stuff you have in countries like Iran uh, we're at 23 percent under 18 22 yeah, yeah, that's more like it um graphic collapse coming people yeah, um the least populated states, it's Idaho. North. Dakota, no, utah Cause it's mostly government land.

Speaker 1:

Uh, utah is Idaho's, not as much.

Speaker 2:

No.

Speaker 1:

Now you're talking acreage to population, maybe, but by absolute numbers. Wyoming North Dakota, and uh, yeah, north Dakota it's. Yeah, they have smaller overall populations, they do.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you're right, there's Wyoming North Dakota, and yeah, north Dakota it's. Yeah, they have smaller overall populations. They do. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, well, it's. Oh and the Sorry. What I was looking at was the populations over 18. And Utah has fewer people over 18, I suspect because more Mormons leave. More people grew up Mormon and then leave.

Speaker 1:

You know I was shocked when I was in Salt Lake this last trip to find out that Salt Lake City is less than 50% Mormon now. Really, yeah, really yeah, now they are still the largest religion in the area at 48, or for almost 49, but they're still under 50 now, which is shocking to me.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, uh, do you know what states have the oldest populations?

Speaker 1:

uh florida yeah and what I don't know maine vermont and new hampshire.

Speaker 2:

What is it with people just not having kids up there?

Speaker 1:

uh, well, maine's fucking cold during the winter? Yeah, yeah, definitely, and uh, you know, a large portion of maine's population is actually transient, so, uh, and what I mean by that is there's a lot of people who own property in Maine and do not stay up there for the winter. But I've spent a bit of time in Maine and it's a neat state in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2:

And if it wasn't for Portland. I haven't been to Maine in 30 years. If it wasn't for Portland, maine would be a fantastic state hmm, say the same thing about Oregon and Texas, I mean as far as Portland yeah, yeah, but Texas has Austin, dallas, houston.

Speaker 1:

San Antonio yeah yeah, you know, we've got a lot of cities to clean up and take care of here.

Speaker 2:

If we had and this is a novel concept because I don't think people would agree to it but if we had voting for representation based on land area versus the actual number of population, so that cities didn't get any kind of advantage from being high density, uh, the whole country would have never wrote a democrat I don't know that's even california. If you look at california, if it wasn't for the three major cities it would go republican at least half the time.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you're a fan of all. What if all the history? Yeah. Yeah, did you see him on Tim cast Rutland or whatever his name is?

Speaker 2:

Um how long ago. You mean like a few months last week. Oh no, I haven't seen this last week, no go go listen to the episode.

Speaker 1:

It's worth listening to. He makes some interesting predictions.

Speaker 2:

He's an interesting guy. I think he's on the spectrum.

Speaker 1:

Oh, fucking A yes, yes very much so Not kind of on the spectrum Fucking middle of the spectrum. Right Like he's very well entrenched here.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, he, he would totally be. One of the things I like about him is he is a thinker. But the problem I have with him I'm going to rephrase what I was going to say he does not go to original source, material enough for me he relies on.

Speaker 1:

he makes an opinion of an opinion, which that to me is not great. So one of the things that I'm very happy with my education and what I have done over the years- is going back to original source material.

Speaker 1:

You know, don't. Don't tell me what the constitution says. Let me read the constitution and form my own opinion. Don't tell me what the Constitution says. Let me read the Constitution for my own opinion. Don't tell me what the ratification debates for the Constitution were. Let me read the you know the minutes from the meetings and go from there. You know, let me read the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers and what they were saying and go from there and which you know. We talk about the Federalist papers. It's cited in fucking supreme court decisions, but no one reads the anti-federalist papers. Why, hell?

Speaker 2:

the hell, not god dang it, because they lost. Uh, uh, yeah, I I'd agree with that. I think that's an. That's a age related issue. I think as he gets older, he's gonna start realizing some of the things he relied on were actually false, and he's going to start realizing some of the things he relied on were actually false and he's going to dig deeper. At least, I hope that's what happens.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but anyway, he's an interesting guy and he very much predicts political violence after the election. But I think a lot of us have been saying that that no matter who wins, we are going to have some conflict in this country.

Speaker 1:

I don't think it can be avoided. Frankly, I think we've all known those people in our lives that they're calm, they're rational for the most part and Till they're not. And I think that's very analogous of this country and that you know the US is more or less holding it together under tremendous amounts of internal strife and strain right now, under tremendous amounts of internal strife and strain right now, and eventually it's just going to be like that person that bottles it all up that eventually they snap and let it all out all at once.

Speaker 1:

So, instead of it coming out in little bits and pieces along the way, that is more manageable and something you can deal with, it, it's going to be this explosion of anger all at once. Yeah, anyway, that's. That's just the way I say it. I don't think it's avoidable.

Speaker 2:

Can't really say much more than that. I'm on the same page as you.

Speaker 1:

I agree, I agree, I agree, I know it sucks. I hate hearing me say that, but it's true, I think they, I think our audience somewhat likes it when, uh, you know, mommy and daddy are fighting, which I don't know what it says about y'all's child.

Speaker 2:

I think I think every audience likes that. I don't know anybody that just wants to listen to a show with two hosts where they're constantly agreeing with each other like, uh, you agree enough. Find something you disagree on and focus on that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so funny enough. Um, remember we were talking about that. Uh, beretta shotgun last episode.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, the a 400.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, you know the shotgun.

Speaker 2:

Tim Waltz was trying to load and having a problem with. I sent you that.

Speaker 1:

That was that same shot. Yeah, shave, slave, shotgun we must get it on sale.

Speaker 2:

Uh-huh, well, you know it's a good, it's a good gun, just using it I, I completely understand someone that has grabs a gun they haven't touched in years, uh, and has to remember how you oh, but he's a hunter he knows he has.

Speaker 2:

The stupid thing about this is that, yes, he's claiming to be a gun guy who hasn't touched his weapon in years and they bring out the cameras to film him doing this without him fucking practicing it at home first. That's the stupidity in this. It's like, look, I can excuse somebody genuinely forgetting how to use I don't care if it's a gun or a power tool right, there's certain things that every manufacturer does slightly differently. You know the, the um, the safety might be obvious on a gun, but the return, uh, the bolt release, yeah, the bolt release might be in a completely different spot depending on the brand you're using on same type of gun. So I get that part of the stupidity in this. Does that he didn't do this first at home before they got the cameras rolling? Agreed, did you?

Speaker 1:

uh, did you see some of the testimonials and stuff coming out about Mr Waltz?

Speaker 2:

No, I really haven't been paying attention.

Speaker 1:

Some of his former students accusing him of abuse.

Speaker 2:

No, I have not heard that. What kind of abuse, like yelling at him?

Speaker 1:

No like sexual.

Speaker 2:

Like boys, teenage girls, girls, mm-hmm. I kind of always figured he was a little, you know swaying on the other side.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I don't know, but yeah there's. There's been several affidavits released and a bunch of other stuff. It hasn't gotten much traction in the media but you know sworn affidavits coming out saying what, what this, that and the other classes.

Speaker 2:

Was he teaching what you're?

Speaker 1:

I don't remember high school, high school or high school.

Speaker 2:

I can't imagine a guy that that is so milk toasty as he is, personality, wise and looks would have the testosterone to pursue a high school girl I don't know that he necessarily it's.

Speaker 1:

He's also the kind of guy that if a high school girl ever came on to him like, I can totally believe him being like, oh and you know being about it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, versus having you know because he is so milk toasty and everything else. Versus having the presence of mind be like it's a trap. Yeah, exactly, uh, which we ought to really. Uh, you know, I had this discussion with a lawyer friend of mine about you know, at the same time, we and you and I have had this discussion and a lot of people will sit there and tell me that this is immoral and everything else, but we really need to distinguish between a developed teenager and a child, absolutely, you know, and especially when that developed teenager has a desire like that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, a, a, a, even a 30 year old sleeping with a 17 year old to me is not pedophilia in any way, shape or form yeah, yeah, and I I think there just needs to be a new term for it.

Speaker 2:

It can still be illegal and stuff. But clumping in somebody that wants to diddle eight-year-olds with somebody that met somebody at a bar who lied about her driver's license and got in under 18 and was sitting there drinking and assumed if you're at a bar you're obviously over 21, right, uh? And then finds out like there's a huge difference between those two situations but currently they would be treated identically yes and there's another sex registering uh, a drunk person which I've seen I've never done this.

Speaker 2:

I've seen people doing this that goes outside the bar and pisses on the side of the building because they can't wait for the bathroom to become open. If somebody sees that guy pissing on the side of the building, he is exposing himself, which is a sexual crime which could also lend him to be labeled as a registered sex.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's insanity. Like it shouldn't, Certainly this behavior should not be encouraged. This is not good behavior.

Speaker 1:

Oh, fuck off. I pee in my backyard almost every night.

Speaker 2:

But you may want to keep your mouth shut, ben. It's crazy.

Speaker 2:

It's like look guys, there's certain that, well, like, frankly, there's tons of laws that are irrational but, there are certain things that not only are they irrational, you have to wonder about the people that wanted to get them passed. What kind of a karen busybody wants to treat a dude pissing uh, where somebody could potentially see him like on the side of a bar, in the exact same manner as somebody that is purposefully, uh, exposing themselves to underage children versus, you know, overage children, which is a whole different thing yeah, well, you know, I will agree that it is the Karens in our society that we have allowed to run amok.

Speaker 1:

And before anyone says anything, that is not a sexist term, because I think the male version is the same bad and Tim Wallace looks like a male.

Speaker 2:

Karen, indeed, yeah, you saw that meme of barack obama.

Speaker 1:

It's captioned saying I need a vice president dumber than me yes joe biden, I mean yeah, and it goes down to tim waltz, and then his crazy eyed look and yeah, well, we even saw a little bit of that in the saturday night live skit the one from two weeks ago that they did where she after the vice president debate and she's crushing the wine glass.

Speaker 2:

Yeah uh-huh that one, and then uh, one that I got a lot of pushback on twitter because, frankly, I don't think these people I mean again, they all have tds, um, but the skit that they did with ariana grande, where ariana grande was a castrato, like she was playing a boy with his balls chopped off because the parents thought that, oh, you know, he just sings so beautifully. We just, you know, clearly he wants this, like, he wants to keep his beautiful voice forever, so we're going to chop his balls off. And uh, that was a Saturday night life skit, like a week ago. And, um, not well, I guess don't be one today, but yeah, from last week, I think. And so I posted the next, like, wow, I can't believe saturday night lives actually making a statement about the, the fact that a lot of parents push their kids into having trans surgeries, and I just got all these people correcting me. He's like, oh no, this is a skit about a castrato in the 1500s. Has nothing to do with trans. Like, how blind do you have to be to not see this allegory? Like jesus christ, that's literally what the skit is about. Agreed, agreed.

Speaker 2:

It's parents mutilating their children and then pointing the finger at children saying, well, he wanted this and ariana grande did a good job of playing this boy who clearly didn't want his balls cut out. And then they even go so far as to say, well, and you know that the uh, uh, I don't think they call it a doctor, but whoever performed this right, the, the experts say, well, you know, the, there's a lot of modern medicine that says these are reversible procedures. And then ariana griney's like lights up and it's like, oh, it is. And then they say, yeah, but apparently you know, they're going to be in trial phases for the next few hundred years. It's like, yeah, yeah, this is talking about parents mutilating their children.

Speaker 2:

And when it was in the 1500s or today, the, the basic setup is exactly the same. The parents, usually mother, has desires to have that the child is going to be special, all right, and that's that's what it comes down to. It's a. It's a combination of vanity and uh, uh, some sort of a misguided mental defect that the parents have. Uh, children play. There's nothing wrong with a, a boy, pretending he's a dinosaur or a girl when they're five, six years old. Nothing at all weird.

Speaker 2:

We can disagree on that a little bit, but whatever, dude whatever kids play, they the whole point is they have active imaginations yes, you have to guide them in that and say, yeah, this is make-believe.

Speaker 1:

And then when I tell you to eat your green beans, that's not make-believe, that's real life but the problem really to me and I am sure I will get hammered by I've said I don't even know if we have any female audience. I would be surprised if we did. But yeah, I don't think we do what does that say about a testosterone filled show my friend yeah well, just two good old boys, man.

Speaker 1:

But it's often the women and the edible mother and their own insecurities that lead to a lot of childhood trauma, like it is oftentimes in in in the trope in the stereotypes. It's the abusive father and the drunk abusive father. The majority of child abuse, both mental and violent, comes from women yep absolutely, yet dads don't get their children by default in divorce. Why.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, well, and again I think we're coming around to what we started talking in the show about Bruce Jenner. Yeah, you know, things don't happen in the vacuum. People hate when I say that there's one person in particular, that if they listen to this episode, they will be very triggered by the it's not in a vacuum comments, okay. Well, it's true, though I think they agreed, and actions have consequences and facts don't care about your feelings.

Speaker 1:

Right, facts don't care about your feelings, right. But you know a lot of people will sit there and say, oh, what it comes down to is, to me, if someone unprovoked and this used to be the definition of abuse in america if someone unprovoked is causing physical harm to someone else, yes, that is abusive.

Speaker 1:

How rare is that, though? The? I'm sorry, but I don't know of anyone who just flies off the handle and starts beating people without being provoked, and you know? Oh well, you know sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. That's bullshit. Words do hurt sometimes, and words are provocative, and you can mentally abuse someone to the state of choosing violence.

Speaker 2:

You can, but I don't think that the you can remove responsibility from someone that shifts to violence, like all of Antifa, simply because they heard words they didn't like. Oh fuck you. If you don't, if you can't control yourself when you hear words, the problem is with you.

Speaker 2:

I'm not even talking in political discourse, I'm talking in familial situations yeah, no, I get it, but I I think you have to put a box around it, like for a child that is fully dependent on their parents. Their parents have a very great ability to abuse the child. For a child, uh, driving or riding to school on a school bus look, I think most instances of bullying in the traditional sense not the modern he said a bad word, like trump but in the traditional sense of bullying, which involved physical pain uh, they happen on places like school bus, a small confined space where you don't have a choice to be there and you have no control over the guy who's two grades older than you sitting next to you and just punching you in the shoulder the entire ride over, like that's historically, what a lot of people went through.

Speaker 1:

Have I told you my school bus story?

Speaker 2:

Where you went from the bedroom to the garage no, go ahead.

Speaker 1:

So last two years I went to public school and, uh, I, uh, rode the school bus the first year and you know I I was the youngest person in that class by a lot, so I was a junior riding a bus because I couldn't drive, yep.

Speaker 1:

um. What it came down to, though, was I where I lived at the time was also part of an indian reservation, and um, there was this kid who was indian and feather, not dot, and he was sitting in front of me and he started gleeking on me. You know what gleeking is right? No, it's spitting, okay. So he started spitting on me, and I told him that's a felony offense.

Speaker 1:

Well, I told him dude, fucking stop, that's gross. So the school bus keeps going. So the school bus stops. I move to the other side of the bus. He follows me. He does it again. I said dude, fucking stop, or I will make you stop. He does it again. I moved again to the other side of the bus. He followed me again. He did it one more time. And you remember that metal bar that ran on the back of the school bus. Metal bar, yeah, the metal bar on the back of the seats on the school bus. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

So I grabbed him by his head and I put his face met that metal bar, rather.

Speaker 1:

Anyway, the tribe was all upset because this white boy assaulted, you know, an Indian kid and everything else, everything else. They tried. They wanted to expel me and everything else. I'm like he's assaulting me. I moved multiple times, did all of this. I finally made him stop the bus driver came out and backed me up like it was a big thing and I I ended up okay, but you know he required dental care, so interesting. But that that is a that is a situation of bullying where you take care of it yourself yeah, you don't worry about the consequences yeah, I mean I I'll tell you off off recording.

Speaker 2:

I have a similar story like that, except instead of hitting somebody's face and I got their dad fired.

Speaker 1:

Why off recording dude? It's past the statute of limitations. Go on.

Speaker 2:

There's some other issues there that may not be. Anyway, what is? Don't fuck with people like us.

Speaker 1:

Well, no, it's Well no. That's my point. Here's the thing if you fuck around, there has to be that consequence of finding out. Yes, and this is something that we've talked about in the past and we'll talk about again violence has to underlie human interactions to some extent. Right, that kid thought he could do whatever, and he you know I wasn't going to touch him. What am I going to do? What are you going to do, white boy? You know you touch me. It's going to be a big problem. Well, I don't care, you're not going to do that to me. I gave you opportunities to stop and in the end, I stopped you. Now, was that me being a violent asshole or anything else? No, that was me enforcing a social contract saying you can't do what you want to me yeah, yeah, it's uh.

Speaker 2:

Again going back to first principles, is that his actions clearly had a physical effect on you. I don't know what disease he had Exactly, probably AIDS. That's what everybody had back then, and so him not expecting a response for his actions. That was corrected and I think he probably learned a lesson after that and probably did it less to other people.

Speaker 1:

Well, he certainly avoided me for the rest of my two years at public school Sufficiently enough, then right, yep, uh bullying, though.

Speaker 1:

Man, uh tell you what. Going from homeschool and everything else to public school it I luckily I am not just pure nerd and weakling. I was a huge target of bullying for lots of reasons, but not the least of which is being the youngest person in the class by almost two years and, as a result, who are you thinking? You're so smart, and this, that and the other? It's like I can't help it. I'm just here. What do you want from me? But there was a lot of bullshit and I will tell you that. Living in the South and living in the Northwest yeah, the Northwest is way more racist than the South ever is, and the animosity between the major white population and the Indian population up there is crazy bad.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, which is interesting. And it's both sides my experience with the Indian population in Minnesota is very different.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, well, I'm talking about the Nez Perce in Idaho.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think that may have something to do with the difference in class or status of people as well, because in Minnesota, most of the tribes got casinos very early on, and so the Indians were not any poorer than the white people. They made their money a different way. Um, and you know and like to me, casinos Indian casinos were always in a perfectly acceptable form of, um, uh, what do they call it? Uh, when you discriminate against some people officially, um, you know, like, uh, giving preferential treatment in colleges to certain colored people affirmative action like, like the.

Speaker 2:

The only affirmative action that I don't have a problem with is things like native american casinos I.

Speaker 1:

I think there ought to be. Anyone who wants to start a casino should be able to start a casino. I don't think there should be laws against gambling well okay.

Speaker 2:

On a broader note, I agree with you there shouldn't be laws against gambling. However, many states do have laws on the books against gambling yes and I think that having the casinos be operated by people that aren't required to abide by those same laws is a it's uh. I know it's not the perfect way to do it. However, it's an acceptable way to do it in my mind.

Speaker 2:

Disagree, but okay, it's like. That to me is much better than saying yes, but a kid from that grew up in a tribe gets preferential treatment over you at college, like that's not acceptable. But indians running a business, which is otherwise illegal due to the majority of you, can have the same thing with, like, let's say, a state passes a state law that bans all alcohol, but you could still drink on native territory yeah, you can't, to me, have a sovereign country inside a sovereign country, and that's the problem I have with it.

Speaker 1:

And you can't, to me, have a sovereign country inside a sovereign country, and that's the problem I have with it and you shouldn't. And here's the thing. If they want to be a sovereign country, then fine. Yeah, here are the borders, let's have passports, let's do everything. You're running your little country and you get no federal aid period.

Speaker 2:

End of story, full stop right, but but you've already agreed to a different set of rules I don't care, we conquered you.

Speaker 2:

Shut up well, yes, but there's a. I look there's always going to be a butt here, because I I think that, uh, while I don't see, um, indians, american indians, native Americans whatever you want to call them as being like this pure, untainted man that was spoiled by the invasion of the Europeans, I think that people are people. Everyone's got their own issues. I do, however, think that, uh, the the number of treaties that were one-sidedly broken is very disproportional, and that I don't, as a result, I don't have a problem with a certain amount of sovereignty that they have, okay, I don't know, I just don't. That they have, okay, I don't know, I just don't. Ideally, in an ideal world in my mind, the reservations would just all empty. Eventually, there would be nobody that wants to live there because everyone's become fully integrated in the country, okay. The reality is very different from that, because what we're actually moving is a more balkanized america today not all you have to do is a fight.

Speaker 1:

America.

Speaker 2:

Anyone who wants to know how universal basic income will play out, look at the native american tribes which, again, like I said, in minnesota the tribes were not at all disadvantaged financially because they were generating revenue from casinos but that's not the universal basic income tribes it's not talking about.

Speaker 2:

But they they didn't need were not at all disadvantaged financially because they were generating revenue from casinos, but that's not the universal basic income tribes that I'm talking about. But they didn't need universal basic income because they were making money from casinos, which is preferable, in my mind, than having the government provide universal basic income because they're incapable of earning money in any other way. Agreed way, agreed. So I I just I believe in the uh, teach them to fish scenario instead of the give them fish, agreed so by the way, did you ever read farms freehold behind?

Speaker 2:

the line okay, you need to, you need to is this the the weekly add a book to gene's list? Is this the the weekly add a book to gene's list? Yeah, I don't know if it's weekly, but sure every week there's some book that you mentioned that I have to read.

Speaker 1:

So well, this one has been around for a while, but let me, let me uh it's timeline, man it's.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, let me get on the audible I already sent you the lincoln signal to audible. Oh, oh, yes, okay, all right.

Speaker 1:

I was looking through my library trying to pick a next book Once I get done with the one. I'm on what's it called again Farms Freehold, farms F-A-R-N-H-A-M-S Farms Freehold Farm, oh, freehold.

Speaker 2:

Farm, oh Freehold, there it is. One credit Bought.

Speaker 1:

Anyway, I think you'll find the story interesting. It's only what? 10 hours on Audible, so I expect a book report next week.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, 10 hours 24 minutes. Well, it is number 26 in the list, so it may be more than next week, but yes, thank you I, you know it it's. I have read and I'm five hours and 42 minutes into cry havoc.

Speaker 1:

I just checked on audible uh-huh anyway, I have read and listened to jesus. Um what 30 something books this year before I've done seven.

Speaker 2:

Um hey, by the way, you kept wanting to buy my watch for a while and I was thinking of getting rid of it and boy am I an idiot. Why my major problem with it and the reason I wanted to replace it was I wanted to get the oled version, which has a nice, bright crisp, which watch, do you? Have again. It's the Garmin Tactics.

Speaker 1:

Here's what 7, right, not the 7 Pro.

Speaker 2:

No, it's a Pro. It was $1,500 or something like that.

Speaker 1:

Okay, anyway, it's a pro, it's what it was 1500 bucks or something like that. Okay, yeah, anyway, well, but there's the standard edition and I think the pro is the amoled screen.

Speaker 2:

Oh well, maybe not then, but it's the ballistics version of the tactics. Anyway, I found the setting in there. Uh, it's called brightness, and guess what it was set to the brightest? No, it was set to 50, okay, and I was like man amoled would be so much brighter than this lcd. It's like moron. I've got the lcd turned to halfway, so I cranked it up to 100 and now it's as bright as I want it to be, like it's perfectly fine, yeah, but that will also kill your battery life.

Speaker 2:

No, because it only turns on the backlighting when I flip my wrist.

Speaker 1:

Right, but it's still. Anyway. My backlight on mine is set to 20%.

Speaker 2:

How can you see anything?

Speaker 1:

Because, mine, isn't the same sort of display. It's different. And it's 20 especially at night, when I need the backlight, is the only time I need the backlight and it's plenty bright yeah, which by? The way, I will say this about Garmin. Their warranty is fantastic, so I started having battery life issues with my Instinct.

Speaker 1:

And where I was having over 30 days very regularly, no problem, and then it went to something like 20. And I let them do some logging on it to see what the battery usage was about and so on. But apparently they had some major firmware issues with the Instinct series. Oh, okay. Not only did they replace the watch with a brand new one, but the newer firmware was installed and updated, and right now I'm looking at 38 days worth of battery life.

Speaker 2:

Oh, that's pretty damn good.

Speaker 1:

Now it's predicted, so we'll see after I make it through the first couple of trips.

Speaker 2:

Now yours also has the solar, like mine, right.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, in fact, the reason why I chose this one is because I have the ballistic stuff and all that on it but what's cool about this watch is if I turn off the O2 sensor and the GPS and things like that it can literally run forever just on solar yeah exactly yeah, I think mine, with it being in basic mode, so without the o2 sensor and height rate and all that crap, all that, and certainly with the gps off.

Speaker 1:

Um, I don't think it goes forever, but it's like a year so it's it's effectively forever yeah, mine literally can run forever on just solar, but, um you know, even with gps on, constantly o2 sensor, constantly heart rate, all that turned on, um basically not conserving battery life at all and I get over know about a month.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I get roughly half that on mine.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but yours has a full LCD screen and everything else. It's different. Yeah, yeah, you know, mine was a few hundred dollars and yours was $1,600.

Speaker 2:

Was yours a touchscreen?

Speaker 1:

No.

Speaker 2:

No, yeah, yeah, because mine, you know you get like I've got apps running on mine. Yeah, yeah, because mine, you know you get like I've got apps running on mine. So, uh, it can also do a full gps visually, so you're you're looking at a topographical map right on the launch I honestly, I don't use most that shit.

Speaker 2:

I certainly don't use the ballistic stuff. Um, I've played with it I. I have the figured out what I need for the app and stuff, but I don't use it so you were just teasing me on what selling your watch no, I generally wanted to sell it because I thought that's as bright as it got and I was like man, I need to buy the amoled version.

Speaker 2:

But I I don't think I need to buy that anymore because I just cranked up the lcd brightness. Well, okay, I mean, if you really want to buy it but, I, but I look I told you before like a problem with you buying anything for me, whether it's guns or yeah, you want top dollar and I don't want to like give you a huge discount because I'm not desperate to sell the shit and if I get to the point where I want to sell something, I want to maximize what I'm going to get for it.

Speaker 2:

And I think last time that we talked about you buying this watch was probably six to nine months ago. Um, like it was on sale for less than I paid for it by quite a bit, and uh, and then you wanted to take a discount off of that because it's used I'm like well, I'm not gonna I'm gonna sell it for half price.

Speaker 2:

It's only a year old. There's no point in selling it for half price so I get it I. I understand you're forgotty and I give you a big thumbs up for it. It's just, I don't need to be the guy providing the discount yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

discount, yeah, yeah. Well, right now on eBay that watch, pre-owned, is going somewhere between, depending on condition, and everything looks like $800 to $1,000. Yeah that would make sense the AMOLED pre-owned right now is going for $610.

Speaker 2:

Really I wonder why. What's the downside of that one? Because I know the battery life is worse. For sure. That was one of the key things that I. The reason I didn't buy it originally in AMOLED was the battery life. But the Tactics 7 Pro pro ballistic edition is holding its value much better than the other yeah, well, I would imagine, because there can't be many idiots like me that spent the extra money to get that. Now it does look a little different. It's full blacked out.

Speaker 1:

So you know everything is black, not just the uh yeah, same with mine yeah, mine's just the instinct version so it has a different screen and everything else, but it's got the same ballistic calculator on it and lots of other things so yeah, I really do like garmin products.

Speaker 2:

Um, you know I don't want to show for a company because they all their shit's always been overpriced, but I've been using garmin products since like 96, when I got my first gps yeah, what I'll say is I don't after after the warranty issue that I just had with them, I don't think they're overpriced they're like their warranty and how they handled it and their support and just appropriate for the price, exactly yeah.

Speaker 2:

And to me they're in the same category as bows, Like when I had a issue with my uh bows right Comfort headset. And it's cheap by both standards. I think it was 350 bucks. They have over a thousand dollar headsets.

Speaker 2:

But you know, when I called in, the response was and when did you buy it? I bought it three years ago. Okay, and uh, you know, we can, we can send it to service, but you're gonna have to pay shipping. Or, if you'd prefer, we'll give you the full retail price that you paid for this thing, uh, as credit towards buying a brand new one of a new generation. I was like, holy shit, yes, sign me up for that. I'll take my uh three-year-old headset that's not working right and take full credit to get the brand new one. Yes, so like that kind of service, I'm a fan. It's the same thing I I told this on, I think, on unrelenting the story with my gaming mouse, so I use probably that story here too okay, one of the most expensive mice out there because it was a kickstarter mouse by an australian company specifically made for gaming.

Speaker 2:

It has a gyroscope in it. It has touch pressure sensitive buttons, so the buttons can actually do different functions depending on how hard you press the button, and it has like eight or nine buttons and it has no display in it. Um, a lot of features built into this thing. I got it at the kickstarter. It worked perfectly for about four years.

Speaker 2:

After four years, one of the buttons I noticed started being a little touchy like sometimes it wouldn't actually press and I had to like press again for it to notice. Not a good thing if you're playing video games with it. So I I wrote to the company. I said look, uh, you know I got this as one of the original Kickstarters. I'm just wondering I know you guys are in Australia Like, what's the process for getting one of these serviced, or am I just SOL and I? You know I need to buy a new one? And the response was we found your email in the Kickstarter emails and watch for a package with a new mouse in the next week. That's it. They sent me a brand new one. Oh, good for them Holy shit, yeah.

Speaker 2:

So since then I've now bought three more of their mice that are all sitting in boxes not used yet, because I'm still waiting for my current one, which is really the second one that I've had to die. But I now have a backup of three more sitting in boxes because I like the company, I want to support the company, I don't mind spending money with the company and I don't want to have to have a mouse that's not working for any period of time. So if there's any issue with the current one hardware issue of any kind, I literally just need to go to the closet, pull open another box and I'll have a brand new mouse. I also had a software issue with them where I contacted them and they said I had some weird, unusual thing that they haven't seen from anybody else. But they'll go ahead and make a special version of their driver and and send to me and see if it fixes it. And it did.

Speaker 1:

It's like, oh, that's freaking cool I wish motu would do that for linux yeah, you've been wanting that for a long time.

Speaker 2:

I can't believe there isn't like a substantial number of people that would love to use it on linux again the if a there are special linux distros and things like that, that you can do that.

Speaker 1:

Yes, you can potentially get it working, but you know, it's just hmm what can you run like a virtual Linux distro that does nothing but and do the USB pass through.

Speaker 1:

No, I'd be better off running Windows on a VM and doing the pass through there. Yeah, which, by the way, one of I will say this um, so I use a usbc to the garmin plug charging adapter when traveling and most of the time it's just a little thing I put on the end of my arty usbc. Yeah, it would not do the firmware update over that. I had to use the factory cable.

Speaker 2:

Interesting Mine does over-the-air updates.

Speaker 1:

Most of the time. Mine does too. It's over, but this update that apparently fixed the battery life issue required it being plugged in and connected to the computer. On what was it? Garmin Express you had to plug it into the Garmin Express app to do that update. So obviously a fairly major firmware update of some kind Sounds like it, not that anyone gives a shit about talking about our watches.

Speaker 2:

Well, people do, I assume, because you know how I know, because we're going to get one of us at least will get an email saying, hey, uh, what's the exact model number you got? Because they're going to be looking it up on amazon. Uh, the I bought on amazon like a three pack of little elbow adapters that plug into the watch and then have a normal usbc on the other end yeah, that's what I use okay, same sort of thing yeah, yeah, yeah

Speaker 2:

it's. It's great for travel and everything else, because it's just there yeah, it just converts any usbc cable into a cable for the watch. But that makes sense. The adapter probably is just purely power. It's probably purely charging. Where is their original cable?

Speaker 2:

I can't know it would connect and it would see it, but it wouldn't transfer data so there was something with the connection there which I thought was interesting, interesting yeah, I will say that as far as the connector itself, I've had other watches well, including the apple watch that that are just a lot cleaner in them, having actual plug, plug in the back, but just using a inductive, inductive charging, which I wish this had like my my old Casio smartwatch that I had had a little magnetic plug on it on the side it was better.

Speaker 1:

You know several different options.

Speaker 2:

You remember pebble watches?

Speaker 1:

They were the original smartwatch from the.

Speaker 2:

Kickstarter, so I had I got one of those in their kickstarter. I used to do a lot of kickstarters but apparently they, they stopped sending me shit and so I stopped doing kickstarters yeah, the last kickstarter I did was for star trek axanar, which was like a decade ago, and it still hasn't been released, so yeah uh, the and my big one that really made me sour and kickstarter is with the coolest cooler, which was a 500 cooler with a battery and a blunder and it just never got shipped.

Speaker 2:

And worse than just not making it, they made it but they were out of money so they started selling them on amazon and so I could literally.

Speaker 2:

I could literally see like these, like I could have bought one on Amazon, but they never got to a point where they had the money from the sales on Amazon enough to pay for the deliveries to people that actually backed the Kickstarter and I shouldn't say like all of them, but clearly they delivered some, some portion, but they never got to my delivery before they stopped doing shipments and just purely were selling them, and that sucks yeah, and then as a result of that, kickstarter changed some of the rules that they had we.

Speaker 1:

by the way, before we get uh to wrapping up here, I talked to one of my dad's really good friends, sid, and said hey man, I, I need to go hunting. I need to get a duck hunt in at the very least this year. So we're going to be planning something If you uh have a gun and want to join.

Speaker 2:

Totally yeah, although now you did tell me I'm not allowed to bring any shotguns other than berettas or benelli's no, I don't give a shit what you bring.

Speaker 1:

I I'll bring a old 870 pump and a mossberg 500. I can loan you too, uh, but you know, you just need a appropriate barrel. Length is more than anything yeah yeah, so and you know, if you show up with something that's you know not gonna function very well, then you will be ridiculed and it's okay I do have that israeli shotgun with 15 rounds capacity.

Speaker 2:

Oh, yeah, that's not legal gene right, I was gonna say there are. What is it? Two rounds, is that the limit for three, three rounds? I mean to me that's a bigger issue than drunk driving loss. Like that's ridiculous. Why can't I just unload 20 rounds on a duck?

Speaker 1:

Because they want to limit what? Because it's not about hitting one duck, it's about how many you take.

Speaker 2:

Well, I would hope, with 20 rounds you'd hit more than one.

Speaker 3:

Well, I hope with three you would hit more than one.

Speaker 2:

Well, you haven't seen me shoot a shotgun.

Speaker 1:

Apparently not, but regardless, are safe.

Speaker 2:

Let's put it that way.

Speaker 1:

You just need a long enough barrel right and the the. What people don't realize is barrel length matters in a shotgun, not because of muzzle velocity, that really doesn't change in a shotgun in the same way it's not even the spread, it's when you're hunting and you're doing the swing to follow the animal and lead them appropriately.

Speaker 1:

The length of the barrel really matters to really being able to judge your lead appropriately. It's having that sight radius it's having. Now can you hunt with like a 18 inch shotgun and a you know hell of a choke? Sure, you could, but you're just not going to be far away.

Speaker 2:

Are the ducks at the point of impact? Like? How much overhead are they?

Speaker 1:

Well, I mean it. It depends on your proficiency and everything?

Speaker 2:

Oh, not that far you know, 50 yards or under less than that 30.

Speaker 1:

Like, oh, not that far, you know, 50 yards or under less than that 30.

Speaker 2:

Like yeah, it's not that it's a deceptive distance.

Speaker 1:

I'm just thinking in terms of choke. Oh you, you'll want a full choke, full choke hunting ducks and everything. It's a full choke and like you might use a modified for um Some, but you know so. One of my favorite guns is an over and under 20 gauge Red Ruger that my dad has that is improved over, modified, and for dove and you know lots of other things. That's a great gun.

Speaker 2:

Not a great. Are two barrel shotguns more expensive than semi-autos? I don't know. I've never understood that, because you start looking at these these either over, under or side by sides and they're like eighteen hundred dollars, twenty six hundred dollars, like why, what is? What am I paying? Am I paying for the, the fancy wood, or am I paying for an actual improvement in firearm there?

Speaker 2:

I don't know okay, all right, because I I've always done either pumps or semi-autos. I've never done the side by side, but and I have nothing against them, I just, in fact, one of the coolest guns that I would love to buy in real life at some point is an italian gun. That is a that's one I use in video games that has, uh, two shotgun barrels and one rifle barrel, so it's like a side by side with a rifle right underneath yeah, so the um, the, the gun that my dad has.

Speaker 1:

I need to show him this on Gun Broker because it's ridiculous Really. Oh my God, yes.

Speaker 2:

And ridiculous meaning price. I mean like yeah, yeah, Okay.

Speaker 1:

So he has the red label gun. That's anniversary. His is actually an older one. But that over and under gun, depending on the exact serial number and model, I'll have to look it up. But it's going from the cheap one is like $12.75 to the high expensive serial number is like over $3,000.

Speaker 2:

Wow.

Speaker 1:

So he won't want to get rid of it. But you know, and yes, I've seen those where it's side by side, and then the rifle.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I don't know why they're called drilling guns, but that's what they're called drilling guns, but that's what they're called. Yeah, they're neat.

Speaker 1:

so yeah, it's um uh, jesus christ, here's a rugers 28 gauge that were made. Oh man, it's going for 10 grand yeah you've been to. I just I don't. I have money, I don't have that much money you've been to Cabela's in there.

Speaker 2:

What do they call them? The gun libraries or whatever yeah, yeah and if you look at them, there's usually maybe two or three modern looking sniper rifles that are multiple thousands of dollars and everything else is like a side-by-side shotgun or a rifle with an engraved wooden stock and they're all tens of thousands of dollars. Like you're at that point, it's kind of like buying comic books and never taking them out of the wrapper right?

Speaker 1:

well, I had a guy I worked with that he had a benelli collection and he had, if not tens of tens of thousands of dollars, maybe even up to like a hundred thousand dollars, in just Benelli shotguns. Really yes.

Speaker 2:

Damn.

Speaker 1:

Like just insane. He had pretty much every model of every Benelli made for like 20 years.

Speaker 2:

That would be an expensive collection.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, like I'm serious, serious, like even down to the nova pumps and everything else, he literally had basically one of everything they ever made wow not ever, but like for decades. It was insane, like every anytime benelli came out with something new, he bought the top end model of whatever they came out.

Speaker 1:

But well, he must have been making a few bucks, huh uh, yeah, he was doing decent, but not that great, like he was an inc tech at a power plant, so he was probably making somewhere between, you know, 125 and 200 a year yeah, I guess, as long as that's your one hobby that's what he wanted to spend his money on. You know, I guess I could never spend that much Like I.

Speaker 2:

You know I make a decent amount of money, but I could never do that. I'm looking at them right now, oh yeah. The.

Speaker 2:

Benelli Super Eagle is like almost four grand. Yeah, the ones that used to be in the like the $1, are all like 24, 2500 now. Yep, fuck, maybe I shouldn't have sold mine. Well, I mean, clearly I shouldn't have sold his. It's worth. It would have been worth a lot more than I sold it for I did. I did sell it for about what I paid for it, but, uh, I probably could have sold it for even more if I would have sold it now.

Speaker 1:

Well, you've been paying attention to gold and silver prices, haven't you?

Speaker 2:

No, I don't buy either one of those.

Speaker 1:

Oh my God, dude. So gold price today? Let's look that up. I want to see what. Oh wait, I hate Windows, really fucking hate Windows. Yeah, so it's $2,700 an ounce right now.

Speaker 2:

That seems high.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and then silver. So what do I want?

Speaker 2:

Like a 28 inch barrel, yeah, or a 32 32 is a bit long to me. I like the 28's normal case length, that would be 28, right, yeah, comes with 3 rounds and 10 round tubes what gun are you looking at? Benelli.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so the silver price today you?

Speaker 2:

told me I can only bring a Benelli, so now I have to buy a Shepton.

Speaker 1:

Anyway, the silver price today is at $34.

Speaker 2:

Okay, I don't know what silver used to go for at all.

Speaker 1:

Oh shit, when my parents bought a bunch back in the day it was under ten dollars an ounce, but over the last you know, um five years, the average has probably been in the 20s. It's a pretty significant increase fucking super black eagle. Yeah, the Super. If you're going for a Benelli hunting waterfowling gun, the Super Eagle is the way to go. And you don't have to get a fancy one, you can get the base model Super Eagle, these are the base models dude.

Speaker 2:

I can get an M2 for $1,500, which is kind of surprising.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's not a hunting gun.

Speaker 2:

No, I know, yeah, oh, it's an M2 with a 28-inch barrel.

Speaker 1:

Chokes.

Speaker 2:

What you think. It doesn't have chokes.

Speaker 1:

No, it does not have removable chokes.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I'm pretty sure the M2 does.

Speaker 1:

I bet you it doesn't. It comes with four chokes. It comes with four chokes.

Speaker 2:

I was wrong. Including full, including full choke. Okay, so what's the difference then? Oh, this one's 20 gauge, okay, well, that's, that's why it's cheaper. Yeah, no, no, this one is 12, okay, so why is the description talking about 20, but the actual model listed is 12? Oh, it's also not available anymore. Okay, well, never mind. Yeah. So bottom line is yeah, if you want a decent shotgun, like probably starting at about 2500 bucks and going up from there, yeah, and you know you can, depending on the situation, a full.

Speaker 1:

What you want is a full choke and that's just for range when you're talking about ducks and geese. You know when you're talking about stuff more up close.

Speaker 2:

That's when you get into the you know modified and you're not using like magnums on these ducks or anything right. I'm sorry You're not using three and a half inch magnums on the ducks right.

Speaker 1:

Dude, no one shoots three and a half. Three inch magnums yes, you, you got to realize. 12 gauge started at two and a half, right, yeah, and then we went to the two and three quarters three quarters, which is kind of normal.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, now it's all three and a half three and well, no, now it's all three and three and a half is coming out. But three and a half inch cells are a expensive and b just no one use them. Now the. The good thing about having a three and a half inch gun, a gun that will shoot three and a half inch shells is, no matter what the conditions are, it's going to eject the three inch shell, right? The?

Speaker 2:

three inch shells coming out of there because you got enough room. That's a good point, and no, I I.

Speaker 1:

Three inch is three inches plenty. Now here's the difference. If you're using two and three quarter inch shells, for example with lead, you'd be fine, but you got to go to a three inch shell with the still or any of the other to get the same.

Speaker 2:

What are the laws in texas? I don't even know. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1:

It's federal. Because it's a migratory bird, you have to use steel shot you're kidding.

Speaker 2:

Nope, it is a federal law so because the bird crosses state lines, you can't use lead correct. And then I remember bismuth was making uh kind of a inroads, there is yeah, a lot of people like bismuth.

Speaker 1:

It's better on your barrel and and it's got a little weight, it's less toxic too.

Speaker 2:

Huh, less toxic.

Speaker 1:

Steel is not toxic.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I guess, but I got enough iron in my diet.

Speaker 1:

Well, regardless, you can get game loads, but anyway, the point is just having a gun you can hit something with.

Speaker 2:

So does three-inch steel feel about the same as a tuna?

Speaker 1:

tuna quarter lead then no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So you have. You have to have way more powder, but the steel is lighter yeah, that's why.

Speaker 2:

That's why I'm saying because you're, you're sending less mass down at a higher speed. So I would think it would equalize with a higher mass at lower speed no, because velocity.

Speaker 1:

So kinetic energy is one half mv squared. So as you reduce the mass by, let's say, half, you've reduced the inertia by half, but by increasing the velocity it's a exponential increase, right? So the actual kinetic felt energy is substantially higher.

Speaker 2:

Actually, the mass is less relevant than the velocity and how much faster does the steel shell fly than the lead?

Speaker 1:

I don't fucking know, dude, I'd have to go look it up, all right, all right, I'd have to compare a uh, number six, number six lead two and three quarter versus number six steel three inch okay that would be a good comparison. But number six is pretty light birdshot, especially for ducks, but it's it's a little heavy for dove. It's one of those things that I just always used to use number six because it was kind of I could use it for both.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you know it wasn't the best for either, but I could use it for both yeah, yeah, okay, well, let me know, uh, what timeline you're thinking of, and I guess I'll be looking for a shotgun.

Speaker 1:

Okay, I mean literally. I have pump shotguns you could use. Yeah, I know, but this is a good excuse to buy a shotgun, okay.

Speaker 2:

I mean, I know you buy shit without an excuse. I still feel like I need an excuse. I do not.

Speaker 1:

I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2:

Okay, whatever, you buy shit literally when an ad comes out. That's how you yeah, you're crazy. Hey, did you see this ad? I just got one. Okay, uh-huh, sure, mister I I well, hey, at least you're selling guns now, because back when you used to be very proud of the fact that you've never sold again, I'm like okay, what are you doing with all that old crap?

Speaker 1:

yeah, so here's here, here. Here's a look at the picture on this article and that will tell you everything you need to know about the three inch versus three, the two and three quarter. Look at the brass height, because the brass is what really fucking matters there right yep so the brass on a three inch magnum shell is double or more of the two and three quarter shell and the three and a half is the same as a three inch shell isn't it amazing, though, that we have plastics that can withstand well, but they're not.

Speaker 1:

The brass is where the explosions happen.

Speaker 2:

I know, but the brass only goes a little ways.

Speaker 1:

But after that Right, because that's where all the powder is.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I get it, but I mean the plastic doesn't like burn up, like it doesn't disintegrate, it actually stays together, with a very high pressure explosion going through it. Obviously it's being pressed against the barrel. I get all that, but then I guess we used to use paper back in the old day. I remember my neighbor when I was a kid. He used to uh do his own load, his own shotgun rounds and uh, they were all paper. Interesting, yeah, it's I. I have never shot at birds ever. I've always just done uh clay targets and that's a different challenge, man yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2:

That's um, is it better to have a light shotgun or a heavy shotgun?

Speaker 1:

um depends on how much you're shooting okay, but I'm like I get it obviously heavier is going to absorb more recoil yeah, I don't mind heavy guns, though, so I'm not the person to ask, because to me the recoil mitigation of a heavier gun is preferable, but a lot of people want the light, easy to swing gun, so to me a shotgun. The weight difference in shotguns is not like a rifle. It is not the same thing okay like that.

Speaker 1:

That is not how I would choose my gun. I would choose it on uh, if you're talking semi-auto on operation, um, you know, the benelli inertia drive is pretty popular. It's pretty good, but it will not cycle the variety of loads that some of the gas operated systems will so you know you got to choose that yeah, but it's so much cleaner okay, but you're. You can't go from slugs to target loads on the benelli. It will not cycle properly you can, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

I've done both. I don't know what you're talking about there, dude.

Speaker 1:

It will cycle slugs, oil, cycle birdshot and cycle buckshot okay, uh, just go do the reviews of the inertia drives versus the gas operated drives. The gas operated drives are far more reliable.

Speaker 2:

I've never had a single round not eject properly.

Speaker 1:

You also haven't been duck hunting.

Speaker 2:

No, I've never done duck hunting.

Speaker 1:

So when you get out in the marsh and it's wet and nasty and muddy and everything else, and you take that out there.

Speaker 2:

Well, you didn't say anything about nasty and muddy. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. So we're not going to shoot at these ducks from a nice, comfortable location somewhere. I mean you'll be in a blind at some point.

Speaker 1:

But you know the blind will be ankle deep with water. Water, you gotta have waders and shit like that on ankle deep with water.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm gonna have to rethink this.

Speaker 1:

Okay, I guess there's a reason at least it's winter time and you don't have to worry about the snakes. I don't worry about snakes snakes are friendly uh-huh. Well, wait till next week when we hear about Gene's friendly encounter with the water moccasin.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I've encountered water moccasins before. No, they want to get away from you, dude, those snakes are not going to chase you down.

Speaker 1:

No, all right. So water moccasins are not. So, first of all, water moccasins almost always are in groups. They do not travel singularly, are not? So, first of all, water moccasins almost always are in groups, they, they do not travel singularly. Second of all, you will smell them before you will see them. They do. Yeah, they are sinking, and that you will. They will not retreat. A water moccasin is a snake that will not retreat, and I have killed plenty of water moccasins.

Speaker 2:

Oh, you bastard.

Speaker 1:

Why am I a bastard?

Speaker 2:

Killing water moccasins. They're cool looking snakes.

Speaker 1:

I remember the first time I killed one. My mom found one in our yard in the beach and she was, you know, flipping out and upset about it. I just went into the garage, grabbed a shovel, went over there, cut its head off. There we go yeah, that's probably the most humane way to call it it. And I just went into the garage, grabbed a shovel, went over there, cut its head off there we go yeah, that's probably the most humane way to call it that that's the best way to kill a snake, and then you bury the fucking head.

Speaker 1:

I saw a video of the fucking head.

Speaker 2:

Why?

Speaker 1:

don't you bury it, chuck it in the garbage well, the the snake's head will continue to bite after it's been decapitated, like. I saw a pretty cool video the other day actually, of someone cutting the head off a snake and its tail was flipping around and this is what you watch its mouth and it bit its own tail yeah yeah sick bastard.

Speaker 2:

I'm not the one living with snakes, dude yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like animals, dude, I'm an animal person, I'm very animal friendly.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I like animals that will try and kill me in my sleep.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I like animals that will try and kill you in your sleep Makes it more fun. Yeah. How did Gene die?

Speaker 1:

His snake, finally figured out how to open the door to his bedroom snuck in while he was sleeping. And you know the rest is history.

Speaker 2:

Well, that could happen. It is now turned on water in the bathroom in the bathtub twice. I'm starting to worry a little bit about that.

Speaker 1:

It seems to me you ought to replace that fixture so that it's a different fixture Harder to turn.

Speaker 2:

I know it's got a crank angle on it which makes it easier for the snake. Um, yeah, and I I've said for a long time like if I am at a point at someday financially to just own like a nice 20 acre property, I would so totally get a baby bobcat or even better puma.

Speaker 2:

Puma is a little more dangerous because that will eat you, but, uh, at least get a bobcat, okay, I, I just I like big cats, man they're, they're. Get an ocelot. And oh, I I asked, ocelots are also beautiful. They're a little smaller, they're beautiful, they're awesome cats but they're tameable they are not at all tameable uh they, they remain wild, but they're manageable because of their size they are more.

Speaker 1:

They are more tameable than a bobcat that's not true.

Speaker 2:

I actually looked this up. Bobcats are some of the most tameable of the wildcats that are not domesticated. I would not have expected that yep, bobcats are actually better in that regard, and look, there are people that have tamed every kind of cat, including tigers, but that takes a special person Siegfried Siegfried, yes. Roy, the thing there is you don't want to be fucking the tigers. That's the problem. When the tiger starts to think of you as a sexual object, you're risking getting bit.

Speaker 1:

Well. I mean who was fucking who there?

Speaker 2:

You really think they weren't? Come on.

Speaker 1:

I have no idea. I have no idea who was fucking who there. You really think they weren't? Come on, I have no idea. I have no idea who was doing what. The two?

Speaker 2:

German guys that are so blatantly clearly gay, the white tigers.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, well, I tell you, when we were living at the beach, there was a guy who was taking a tiger down the beach and he was very flamboyantly gay and trying to use that to attract other younger kids, oh, other kids really.

Speaker 2:

So he was a pedo gay yeah, that was the uh. You know, that was the inclination and when you say the beach, you mean southern texas I mean crystal beach yeah yeah, down by galveston yeah oh, interesting. Um, did we already talk last week about the successful catching of the spacex uh starship no, that happened this week okay, I couldn't remember if that was before or after we recorded. It was that amazing or what it would yep it.

Speaker 1:

You know people don't understand how hard it is to do what they're doing with thrust vectoring. All I can say is take a pencil and try and balance it on your finger vertically. I mean the fact that they were able to control that descent as well as they did come in and not blast the tower with too much thrust and land it and catch it. The way they did is an absolute engineering marvel.

Speaker 2:

It was insane that haven't done the simulation stuff that I used to do. A lot I wouldn't even notice is that not only did it come in and land where it was supposed to, being caught by the chopsticks, but it had to have its rotation be just right so that all four of the grid fins were correct. They had the largest area on the on those. It's like jesus that is. There are so many things that have to be combined and doing a lot of those in space is actually much easier because you don't have to deal with air friction, but you're, you're here on the descent yeah yeah, on the descent itself, like when you're lower down, you're dealing with an awful lot of uh air friction, you know wind starts to become an actual issue.

Speaker 2:

you have to uh counter and then doing rotation like that. The closer you are to the earth, the more difficult that's going to be, so the less impact your little thrusters, your, the ones that are, you know, are controlling all the secondary movements of the rocket. All of that is it was amazing and there's nothing else that can be said. I probably rewatched that video 20 times and all the different variants of it. The people shot um, honestly, the ones that were shot from across the Bay, from Padre, I think, provided more of a scale than the official video, because you see just how fast that thing is rocketing towards the ground as it's coming in until that final descent.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, until, like the last 10 seconds which I wonder how many G's it's pulling to slow down.

Speaker 2:

It's a good question? I don't know that's a good question. Um, it doesn't have people on board, so obviously it can do a lot more. But um it, when it was coming in like a mile or so above the ground, it was still going at about half the speed of sound, and then it slows down to literally like five, 10 miles an hour.

Speaker 1:

Oh, it's that I mean. It's almost a hovering by the time it docks, yeah.

Speaker 2:

And you have to balance all of that with the remaining fuel you have aboard and you want to have as little fuel as possible, so ideally it's.

Speaker 1:

If something goes wrong, it's not destroying a lot of other things.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean the worst case. You're just going to have an aluminum silo fall on top, you know, not not a huge explosive mass. So there are a lot of factors that go into it. Space is really hard. I give tons of credit to Musk, but also tons of credit to engineers working on that project, because obviously Musk came up with the vision but he's not there day to day working out the the details of how to get it done no, but he's a he.

Speaker 1:

He is the appropriate level of technical for a manager of this project yeah, like a less technical manager could not drive this project the way he is no, no, and and he is actually unlike trump he's good at hiring people.

Speaker 2:

He's good at hiring and firing and having people in place that are capable of doing what seems to be just incredible, amazing work. So I yeah, I was uh blown away, but also not surprised at watching that video.

Speaker 1:

Well, I mean, that was their first attempt.

Speaker 2:

I know.

Speaker 1:

I know. I mean I'm pretty amazed at them actually making it on their first attempt.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, because Musk said the odds were about 10% that it would make it without any unplanned. What do they call it? The unscheduled rapid disassembly events?

Speaker 1:

Well, all I can say is you know, if he in my lifetime, in the next 10 years, starts selling rides into orbit on Starship, and even if it's a busload of people or whatever to get the price down and it's you know hell, if I could go into orbit for 10 grand, I would.

Speaker 2:

I would be running there to tomorrow like actual orbit, not the thing that jeff bezos sells fuck, I would do what jeff bezos is doing you would do the penis ship really sure, sure I being able to go up and see the curvature of the earth and be weightless and do that. The alleged curvature of the earth you meant to say, I'm sure.

Speaker 1:

Uh-huh, I don't get the flat earth stuff.

Speaker 2:

I don't either man there's so many conspiracies you can cling on to the flat earth. One is just stupid.

Speaker 1:

Well, but like I think, I think the flat earth stuff is really a psyop to discredit a lot of the other legitimate things. Mm-hmm, you know, that's the only explanation that are. Man, there are a lot more stupid people than I realized.

Speaker 2:

This is also possible. The most common shape in the universe is a sphere. What would make somebody think that something flat could even exist? Like it is exceedingly difficult to make things that are complete.

Speaker 1:

Well, it's because we're being lied to about everything. Gene.

Speaker 2:

Oh, that's right I forgot about that.

Speaker 1:

But anyway, dude, it is what it is, but God dang, I just, I do not understand. Yeah, you and me both did I look?

Speaker 2:

I think it's fun to conspiracize about never landing on the moon I, I, I.

Speaker 2:

Well, I always like to push that button and dive in and say point out all the things that seem like oh well, you know, what about this, what about that? Um, but the flat earth thing is a whole next level of stupidity. Like you have to bend over backwards and go out of your way. There's a video I watched recently talking about how, apparently last year, some group of flat earthers was going to prove there's this flat by buying an incredibly sensitive and expensive gyroscope that's used for measuring I don't know what something, but it was like a $50,000 gyro. And so they buy this thing with the idea that if the Earth isn't flat and if it's rotating, this gyroscope should stay stationary relative to the rotation of the earth. It would appear as though it's rotating, right. And so this was going to be their big disproved moment.

Speaker 2:

Using science, and according to their calculations, if the earth was actually rotating, this thing would show a 15 degree tilt in a whatever X number of time that passed, whatever that was, maybe an hour or something, I don't know. Um, I guess we can do the math right. So, 360 divided by 15, so what is that? 12 hours, so, uh, or no, not 12, no, that's, that would be halfway. That would be 180 degrees. Anyway, point is probably an hour. The thing did exactly what they predicted that it should do if the Earth is rotating, even though they were trying to prove the Earth is not rotating. So why would this super expensive, sensitive gyroscope just by itself start tilting, unless the Earth was actually moving? Okay, yeah.

Speaker 2:

So I mean it's like how can somebody? It's hard to envision the mindset.

Speaker 1:

But there has to be some level of intelligence there to even conceive of the experiment that they are wanting to do?

Speaker 2:

that's my point they're not complete morons. That's my point is, these are not people that are. You know, they're drooling they're not bootlickers they're right. So there is something there. They just completely believe that not only have they been lied to their whole lives and for their parents lives and many, many years of people thinking the earth is round, but they still believe in scientific principles to the extent that they're willing to use science to prove the earth is flat yeah. I don't. I just I don't understand the mentality there I.

Speaker 1:

I mean, I don't either, it's. I mean you can, you can mathematically derive, based off of the day night cycle, the size of the earth. You can, yeah, the look. There are a lot of things in our math and in our physics that do not line up with reality and I question, yeah, as one should, because they don't line up with reality yeah where physics and math line up with reality. I don't understand how you sit there and question that yeah yeah it.

Speaker 2:

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me and and their, their explanations. For why does it take 12 hours for you to fly from new york to tokyo? And it it takes, uh, because you're going over the north Pole. Obviously they explain that by saying well, that's because the North Pole is in the middle of the plate, okay, well, how come it still only takes you 12 hours to fly from Australia to South America? Because that should be. Both should be on the outside of the plate, right?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, dude, when you look, look at, don't get me started. And here's the thing. Yes, you could fly from los angeles to tokyo without going north. It would take longer because a spherical geometry yeah you know, when I flew from dubai to hou last year, we went up and over. What do you mean Interesting?

Speaker 2:

Just nothing.

Speaker 1:

What Go ahead. We've talked about that trip. I know what you're going. Hmm, interesting about.

Speaker 2:

Nope, economic hitman.

Speaker 1:

Nothing at all so if we hey you know what? All I can say is the reviews of this show are completely accurate. That uh, you know yeah, um it.

Speaker 2:

All you gotta do is take a globe and a piece of string and you can see what the shortest path between any two points is Yep and it. It it's path between any two points is Yep, and it's not a flat, freaking map. It's like the straight line on the projection of the globe onto a flat map.

Speaker 1:

Well, that's the thing. It's obviously wrong. It doesn't project right. No.

Speaker 2:

And I guess, there I, I mean I get it. I guess, if you ask, like a five-year-old kid is do you think the earth is a sphere or is it flat? Like their personal experience would tell you, it's probably flat, because they, they don't walk on a sphere, they walk on a flat plane. But as an adult, you start not just learning about, but you start recognizing the fact that, uh, if the measurements are small enough, then the change, uh well, in altitude is almost immeasurably small well, and here's the thing, though, we have topography as well, to continue with, yes, and beyond that, the earth is not a sphere, it is a spheroid, it is sphere it's semi-spherical in shape.

Speaker 2:

It's not a perfect sphere, no so there's lots to it, but it has got a chubby tummy yeah, on that note gene yeah, let's wrap up been going for a while. Yeah, can't believe. You just can't shut up, keep talking we'll take.

Speaker 1:

We'll catch you next week.

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