Speaker 1 0:25

Howdy Ben, how are you today?

Speaker 2 0:27

I'm doing well, Gene Yourself.

Speaker 1 0:30

Uh, alright yeah.

Speaker 2 0:32

Yeah, we had a little audio issue here and I was fucking around while you were doing it and I thought you'd left the auto-recording going and I even made a comment to myself. It's going to be really funny when I hear this back on the podcast.

Speaker 1 0:46

Oh, no, no, no, did not have it recording on, so I don't know Too bad, because there was some comedy gold in there.

Speaker 2 0:51

I was definitely making fun of you a little bit.

Speaker 1 0:53

Oh darn, yeah, well, clearly I didn't hear it.

Speaker 2 0:55

So so you say you're supposedly not at home right now.

Speaker 1 1:01

No Washington.

Speaker 2 1:02

State, but you did have some audio routing issues.

Speaker 1 1:06

Well, yeah, I brought one of those. I don't know how you have audio routing issues.

Speaker 2 1:08

And well, yeah, I brought one, I don't know how you have audio routing issues if you're not at home using the moto well, it's pretty straightforward.

Speaker 1 1:15

I brought a microphone usb mic and then I plugged in headphones into it and I couldn't hear you. And so now what I'm on is I'm actually on my ipods, that the apple, uh, airpods, airpods and uh, so that's in my ears, but then I'm iPods, the Apple wireless ones. Airpods and so that's in my ears, but then I'm still talking to you on the mic, so I don't know how it sounds. I can't hear myself.

Speaker 2 1:38

I mean it sounds okay.

Speaker 1 1:40

Okay, well, hopefully it'll sound okay for everybody else too.

Speaker 2 1:44

I did discover something while I was waiting on you.

Speaker 1 1:47

What's that?

Speaker 2 1:48

Well, I was going through Firefox settings because somehow Proton got permission to notify me and it's been a while since I've used this computer, so since I opened up Firefox. It's like notification, notification, notification, notification notification. So I'm like, okay, that's got to go, that's got to die now Like ProtonMail, you mean. Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:07

Yeah.

Speaker 2 2:09

Yeah, go, that's gotta die like profound mail. You mean yeah, yeah and anyway, um, so the setting for that is under privacy and security is where notification settings are. Well, looking at my cookie and site data, did you know my laptop is currently storing and I want to make sure I get this number right 17,179,869,185 gigabytes of site and cookies?

Speaker 1 2:42

You got to stop going to those porn sites, man.

Speaker 2 2:45

I mean, it's obviously an error, but it's just I was scrolling through it. I'm like wait what? What? Hold on a second. Last time I checked, I do not have 17 billion gigabytes available here, and it's not 17 billion bytes, it's 17 billion gigabytes. It says gigabytes of disk. That's insane, it literally says GB of disk space.

Speaker 1 3:07

Wow, wow, yeah, that's crazy. You're disk space. Wow, wow, yeah, that's crazy. You're currently using no like even a gig would be like shocking to me but it seemed to me I'm going by very old memory, but isn't there like a limit of 4k per website or something that it lets you store in a?

Speaker 2 3:23

cookie. But it's not just cookie, it's also site data and that's how they get around that site Data. Well, but it's not just cookie, it's also site data and that's how they get around that Site data can be a lot of different things that get loaded as well, really. Like, what kind of stuff Cached? Pictures let's see there's metadata tags that end up cached with stuff. There's a whole bunch of content.

Speaker 1 3:51

So is that like your temp folder then?

Speaker 2 3:52

yeah, yeah, that's site data, managed data, all that, but again this has a 1TB hard drive on it. 17 billion gigabytes is not possible. Somebody got a little off on their math yeah, I don't know how that's being calculated or why did they just mean bytes and set gigabytes?

Speaker 1 4:14

is that all it is?

Speaker 2 4:17

even if they did, I don't think 17 by 17 17 billion bytes would make sense.

Speaker 1 4:24

That'd be like what how many gigabytes it'd be 17 gigs, yeah yeah, there's no way.

Speaker 2 4:29

I'm storing 17 gigs of temp data on my laptop I don't know.

Speaker 1 4:33

Man depends. If you got one of them big old hard drives on there, you could be I mean I've got hard drive space, but 17 gigs is an awful lot.

Speaker 2 4:42

I can look, I can, I can, I can go tell you exactly.

Speaker 1 4:45

Well, I don't know I don't know when did we turn into tech news today? I don't know about that either. Yeah, you're talking about politics. Oh, this is even better.

Speaker 2 4:54

This is even better when I look at the site data to see what's using what yeah so literally the number one site taking up the storage is using 17 billion 179 million. So the vast vast majority of this is one site, and then the second, the second most the largest storage size site, is using 35.7 megs.

Speaker 1 5:23

So okay, so, as is the NSA, just storing their data on your hard drives, right, right Can?

Speaker 2 5:28

you guess the site that's using the most of the most of the space. That is obviously a calculation mishap here.

Speaker 1 5:34

It's either Microsoft or Google, I would imagine.

Speaker 2 5:36

It is Google. It is actually Google.

Speaker 1 5:38

yes, hey, maybe Google actually made the device that was in the Silicon Valley TV show.

Speaker 2 5:46

Yeah, with the inside-out compression.

Speaker 1 5:48

Yeah, yeah, where they're actually storing shit on people's computers.

Speaker 2 5:52

Yeah, uh-huh gene, I'm nervous about next week. I'm not gonna lie good.

Speaker 1 6:00

Everybody should be. I think too many people are not, and that's not a good thing, because I think way too many many people are partying preemptively about a Trump win.

Speaker 2 6:11

Yeah, I think you misunderstand why I'm nervous about next week. Oh, I don't know why then? So for one I will be in DC area.

Speaker 1 6:24

Oh yeah, they're finally getting you back to the headquarters Nice.

Speaker 2 6:29

No, but I'll be in the DC area next week. And that's not the area I want to be in next week, if next week goes out.

Speaker 1 6:39

Oh, I think DC is going to have a massive violent attack on it. That's what I heard.

Speaker 2 6:43

Yeah, or Baltimore might just lose their mind, you know.

Speaker 1 6:46

It's well. I mean, I don't think that's really even something you have to calculate. That's like an even money prediction.

Speaker 2 6:55

Right, but I'll be flying in and out of BWI.

Speaker 1 6:58

Oh, that's even worse.

Speaker 2 7:00

Exactly.

Speaker 1 7:00

Yeah, so we won't see you next week apparently.

Speaker 2 7:03

Like normally, I don't rent a car. I'm renting a car just in case.

Speaker 1 7:10

You may want to rent a four wheel drive car just in case.

Speaker 2 7:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah, gotcha, and just to be able to get out of the area you know, like Jesus, yeah.

Speaker 1 7:21

Well, I sure hope there's no EMPs that go off next week.

Speaker 2 7:26

Well, you know, if there are, I've got stuff and I'll be walking home to read.

Speaker 1 7:33

Take it I'm taking good boots, so good, that's good. Yes, always bring good boots and a warm jacket and a towel. Yeah, the requirements of travel for sure yes, according to douglas adams at least that's a wise thing to uh to always have with you yeah, but so you remember that uh deal.

Speaker 2 7:59

I was working on that big proposal that took forever and I was like uh, it was a lot of work and all that yeah.

Speaker 1 8:06

Remember that.

Speaker 2 8:08

We got it. Nice Congrats, hey, I'm pretty happy it's all you, it's all you. I don't know about that, but I'm very happy about it.

Speaker 1 8:18

So make sure other people know that.

Speaker 2 8:20

Yeah, it was a pretty big deal to pull that in dude.

Speaker 1 8:23

Oh yeah, Well, that's a nice chunk of change you better get a nice bonus. This year Exactly. I'm pretty sure there's a couple of guns calling your name. Right now, it's nay on the guns, but yes, no.

Speaker 2 8:42

I did get to play around with shotguns this weekend a little bit.

Speaker 1 8:48

Oh nice, Do a few things. Did you go visit Tim Wallace? Did he loan you his gun?

Speaker 2 8:53

Is that what you're saying? The exact same model, actually.

Speaker 1 8:56

I was playing with today.

Speaker 2 8:57

Yes, I did look at one of my dad's old shotguns, though, so he's got this Belgian-made Browning semi-auto shotgun. And I was looking at it and I'm like this is a fucking old gun.

Speaker 1 9:10

I don't think he does.

Speaker 2 9:11

Yeah, Well, I looked it up. So the model he has of this Browning a five, which is the Brown main pattern, Browning semi-auto um. The Browning a five that he had was made somewhere between 1909 and 1939.

Speaker 1 9:29

Nice.

Speaker 2 9:30

And it was one of the first 10 000 made. And that that's when they the after 1939 they stopped in ogden to make the bar and other things in that factory. So it they shifted over and this was the first product run of this and it was cool. 1909 to 1939 so it's definitely collector I mean it's in pretty rough shape because he's it's, he's used it and, um, yeah, you know, hunted with it and done everything else. It's not like a pristine gun but more like a sentimental thing well, it's just a neat gun yeah, did he buy it used?

Speaker 2 10:07

yeah, he did okay.

Speaker 1 10:11

No, no, my dad bought it brand new in 1909 well, I could have bought it, or he could have gotten it from his dad, I don't know no, it was.

Speaker 2 10:19

Uh, it was bought used and, um you know the the original owner wasn't kind to it and my dad just thought it was an old browning. That is a nice old Browning, but didn't, you know, had no clue until I looked it up today.

Speaker 1 10:57

Oh yeah, yeah, yep, nice yeah, sir you ever shot a 10 gauge.

Speaker 2 11:02

I have.

Speaker 1 11:03

I never have. It hurts.

Speaker 2 11:05

I would imagine how much difference is there, it's mean, difference is there, it's, it's.

Speaker 1 11:15

I would say equivalent about the equivalent to the difference between a 20 and a 12 gauge?

Speaker 2 11:19

oh okay, all right, uh, it it's. It's like people who think a 12 gauge kicks it really depending on the gun, doesn't like, if you're shooting a pump or a non-semi-auto gun, it's got a lot more kick than if you're shooting a semi-auto gun.

Speaker 1 11:36

Yeah, especially a light gun like a Mossberg that doesn't absorb any recoil.

Speaker 2 11:41

It really hurts, yeah, anyway. Well, I don't know, I don't think it's that much kick, but some people certainly do.

Speaker 1 11:49

Yeah, but it depends what you should put in it as well, obviously, if you shoot a birdshot nothing hurts.

Speaker 2 11:56

Exactly. Well, depends on the birdshot, but okay.

Speaker 1 12:00

Yeah.

Speaker 2 12:01

I mean, if you're talking like number six, number seven, number eight, sure, Number two, you know a little bit different.

Speaker 1 12:09

Yeah, so you want to talk about Trump stuff, or you got some other stuff you want to cover.

Speaker 2 12:17

I hope we can cover whatever you want, man.

Speaker 1 12:20

Okay, well, I'll start with this then, did you watch the Saturday Night Live with the completely free advertising that Kamala Harris got?

Speaker 2 12:29

I did not.

Media Bias and Campaign Laws

Speaker 1 12:30

Did you hear about it? At least I did not. Did you hear about?

Speaker 2 12:32

it. At least I did not.

Speaker 1 12:33

Oh, so I posted it on X so you can find it under my tweets. I've been doing other things. I mean, I know there's about 18,000 per day that I post, but I'm sure you can look at all of them.

Speaker 2 12:44

Yeah, I'll go back and watch it tonight and, by the way, I really think we ought to try and do an episode, especially if shit does go a little crazy while I'm in the dc area yeah, oh, totally, I'm up for it. I'll be home if there's riots going on for around me, first of all, I might get out of dodge and then I'll call you from the road. Be like, okay podcast.

Speaker 1 13:06

Well, yeah, well, you know I'm, I'm flying back, uh, on election day yeah, see, I'm flying there on election day so I I did not plan this right I didn't either. I thought election day was the seventh I when I bought my ticket. I could have sworn. Election day was the seventh and uh. And then I found out, it's not no, it's, it's a Tuesday.

Speaker 2 13:31

It's always a Tuesday.

Speaker 1 13:32

Yeah, I kind of knew that, but for some, reason I had it in my head that it was the 7th and I figured well, I don't want to fly Monday because there's a lot of travel for business. I'll fly on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 13:45

So there you go. How'd your knee do on that flight?

Speaker 1 13:49

You know, my knee got bendyy so there's still some pain, but at least it got bendy, which is good and it's um, usually, bendy on an extremity is not necessarily good, depending on what you mean well, when I couldn't bend my leg, that was not good. When I could bend my leg, that's a good thing okay.

Speaker 1 14:11

So yes, it definitely moved in the right direction. It was a uh, luckily I I was in 1a, so I had plenty of leg room. Um, in fact, even with a fully outstretched leg forward, I couldn't even touch the bulkhead well, I mean, that helps when you're like, oh, fuck you fuck you. I know what you're gonna say.

Speaker 2 14:35

I'm taller than tom cruise god damn it, dude my son, who's five is taller whatever, whatever.

Speaker 1 14:42

Maybe if he's jumping on a couch. Oh, that's funny. So anyway, the the video. There was two videos from the last Saturday Night Live. One of them was pretty darn mean to the typical liberal voter. I was shocked. It's one that Elon retweeted which basically was a.

Speaker 1 15:06

It was making fun of the fact that this obvious Trump voter you know, he's all gung ho on on Kamala and and, uh, her husband, and then the guy that ran with Hillary so that would have been eight years ago, okay Came out and the the talk or the show that they were doing, like a pretend you know game show, was what's my name. And then this guy comes out and it's like okay, well, I was a vice presidential candidate for Hillary, what's my name? And, of course, the the typical liberal of all guys like, uh, it's great pleasure to meet you. Uh, he just had no idea what the guy's name is.

Speaker 2 15:49

The point being did you remember his name? Oh God, no, but I don't. But I, you know, I never what the guy's name is, the point being that remember his name?

Speaker 1 15:52

oh god, no, but I don't. But I, you know, I never supported the guy. I would. I would at least know the name of the vp of the guy that I'm voting for, wouldn't you? I mean, rob was fine, I mean we, I know that I, I actually knew who you're talking about before.

Speaker 2 16:10

Oh, you do, okay. Yeah, I had no clue. In fact, I can tell you right now, if you're not going to give it away, go ahead.

Speaker 1 16:15

I'll tell you, kane. Yes, very good. So so the show they, so they. They give the guy clue. Okay, his first name is the same as the current vp candidates and the guy's like tim tim, and I mean like. And then the thought the the host of the show said his name's tim robinson and then the guy looks at him like kane my name's tim kane like nobody fucking knew his name. That was a funny skit, uh so kind of balanced the other.

Speaker 2 16:45

How did she get free advertising?

Speaker 1 16:47

okay, so that that's the other skit. The other skit was the uh actress that's been playing kamala on the show. Uh, she's like they're, you know, getting ready for the big day coming up and yeah, the woman who uh played the uh in the idiocracy, hooker wife, whatever. Yeah, I mean it's funny how that just kind of makes sense well, I mean the hooker played.

Speaker 2 17:09

I don't want to say she's getting cast type.

Speaker 1 17:12

But you know Right, and Maya, something is her name, I can't remember her name. Maya Angelo it's not Angelo, that's a black writer, but it's Maya something.

Speaker 2 17:24

Dude jokes.

Speaker 1 17:27

Well, I figured you probably wouldn't know her because she was black, but you know, just generalizing. So she was doing this skit and she kind of talks to a few people and of course Dana Carvey came in as a completely demented, senile current president, and then they leave and she kind of sits down in front of a mirror and she's talking out loud to herself like, ah, sometimes I just want to talk to somebody that understands me, just somebody that is a half black american woman who's running for president. And then they pan over to the mirror and that that's the actual Kamala Harris sitting there.

Speaker 1 18:12

Oh God, so they did a mirror gag which is fairly common, where it was Maya on one side and Kamala on the other side, and I will say Kamala actually remembered her lines, or at least read them off paper pretty well, Like she was pretty good in that skit. I thought from a pure skit standpoint they did a pretty good job. But also, this is clearly a uh you know, advertising in the final days of the campaign, which I think that they're supposed to have equal time and, um you know, obviously Trump's not going be on saturday night live in the next day. So I think this was probably a plan for a while. I'm sure they wanted to kind of help her with the younger crowd, give her a big push. Look how funny she's fun.

Speaker 2 19:05

Vote for her, she's fun okay so that's what I mean by um uh I mean contribution so I think it's interesting because, like jim jordan and others are looking into the issues with the uh rogan trump interview and it being suppressed and that being, they're looking at that as potential campaign law violation. So I think you're already starting down a road where this could potentially be problematic for a few organizations.

Speaker 1 19:42

I think so. Now I think it's also a legitimate question to ask. Should it be? Should we have laws like that, or do we just let you know people be out in public, in media and on networks as they might, without restrictions or without trying to balance things?

Speaker 2 20:07

um, I don't think there should be any campaign finance laws at all, but that's me.

Speaker 1 20:16

Yeah, yeah, it's honestly. I can see arguments for both sides of it.

Speaker 2 20:24

It's freedom of speech. I am a freedom of speech absolutist.

Speaker 1 20:30

You say that it is freedom of speech absolutist. You say that it is freedom of speech but also there's an opportunity to have the like there was. I can't remember who shows on it might've been on Tucker, might've been on one of the other conservative kind of TV types that had a chart of a survey that was done by some professional survey firm that showed self-identified political leanings of a whole bunch of media organizations. Obviously certain ones like New York Times. You know you expect them to be lefties, right, but what they found was that the numbers were skewed for everybody. Even even things like the um, the wall street journal and the Washington times were like 80% liberal self-identifying people working there, not just reporters but just everybody in the company.

Speaker 2 21:36

Okay.

Speaker 1 21:37

But in places like New York Times it was like 99.5% liberal, and so when you have the majority of media wanting to push a certain message across, wanting to push a certain message across, I think that it's one of those snowball effects that if there are no controls at all and we just take the complete freedom of speech position that you just said, we may simply have everybody, including Google and Microsoft and every media outlet, just simply blocking the name Trump. So it's never mentioned.

Speaker 2 22:21

Okay.

Speaker 1 22:24

So what that likely would result in would be a violent uprising rather than a peaceful transition.

Speaker 2 22:37

I mean, you don't have to sell it on me, I'm already for this.

Speaker 1 22:40

I know, but I'm just saying that it's, it's, this is, this is the letting the air out slowly so you don't have an explosion kind of scenario yeah, but I'm.

Speaker 2 22:52

But you're still censoring, you're still doing bad things, you're still putting your finger on the scale. It's just well, because we've ameliorated it to this extent. It won't end up this way, because it's, it's, it's, it's not as bad well, but there is.

Speaker 1 23:06

I mean, there's nothing wrong with passing a law that basically says uh, if you want to run for office, here's what you're going to agree to.

Speaker 2 23:17

Yes, and for them to agree to it, that's fine, but the problem is censoring other people's speech is what I have a problem with. I didn't decide to run for office at all and therefore I have not agreed to any restrictions on my speech. Regarding this, I ought to be able to give.

Speaker 2 23:40

You could argue that Tim Pool has given Trump millions of dollars in like-kind of notions by supporting him by, you know, supporting him, um yeah, I don't think that should be any of campaign finance reforms business whatsoever. You can speak as much as you want to speak about whatever you want to speak about, period, yeah, yeah but tim pool isn't censoring somebody on camillus side no, but he is giving a like-kind donation, which is same sort of problem in in that sort of thought process, yeah, which is why I say, well, there shouldn't just be, there should be no regulation, people are gonna wait.

Speaker 1 24:20

Did you see tim pool's debate with um some liberal dude?

Speaker 2 24:24

yeah, you're talking about on the culture war. I was listening to it on the drive home today so what?

Speaker 1 24:30

tim pool was very vehemently.

Speaker 1 24:33

They were both being pedantic little fucks but where he was greatly disagreeing with trump on the abortion issue. Um, in that he temple does not think this is a state's issue. There should be a federal decision one way or the other. I'm not sure why he gets that, why he comes to that conclusion that it's a federal issue at all. I think it's. It's more of a? Um. It's really not even a state's issue. It's it's more of a? Um cultural morality issue. Yeah, like the rise in the in abortions is greatly due to the lack of morality coming through religion.

Speaker 1 25:17

Yeah, okay so I don't know that fixing it on a federal level, the way that tim would advocate, is the right approach.

Speaker 2 25:30

I don't think you can fix this on a federal level. I don't think the federal government should have any power in this. Having centralized laws does not fix problems centrally.

Speaker 1 25:40

It just creates more problems yeah, yeah, and I'm in agreement with you on that count. But also just more generally, is like this this should be on a very localized like. I don't even think it should be a state's law. It should be like a city law or even smaller.

Speaker 2 26:00

On how to handle abortion.

Speaker 1 26:02

Yeah, I, I think any group of people that represent the majority within their geological physical area ought to be able to make it illegal.

Speaker 2 26:16

I, I, so I, oh God Do. Do we have to go into the abortion topic? We don't, but it was on Tim Pool, I don't on tim pool, I don't care. All right here here's my thing. Abortion ought to be. There should be no law governing this, but it should be morally reprehensible and unthinkable. Um, what I would say is just like slavery.

Speaker 2 26:40

I totally agree with you okay, anyway, that's, I'm not going to fall into that painting. But okay, um, what? What I would say is the government cannot force you to live your life for another. Um, I would say that in most cases where abortion is used, you have willingly given your consent, through your own actions, to live your life or another. Now we can argue about your withdrawal of that consent when that needs to happen and whether or not that then constitutes a problem, but we'll stick to a case of forceful rape or insemination where someone got pregnant against their will.

Speaker 1 27:27

Now, government getting drunk in college is one of those.

Speaker 2 27:31

No, I would not.

Speaker 1 27:33

So it's not against your will if you get drunk in college and had sex.

Speaker 2 27:36

No, it's not. Yeah, but what I would say is, in a case where you did not choose to engage in sexual intercourse and ended up pregnant because of forced insemination, then that moral situation gets a little murkier. But the government again cannot make you live for another being period, whether this is taxation, whatever, it is fucking slavery to force you to live for someone else. And there cannot be. You cannot solve one moral imperative by endangering another. This is what I, you and I go around and around on on the free speech issue. So should there be a law banning, banning, uh, abortion? Well, let me ask you this if a woman is pregnant and she wants to commit suicide, should that be illegal?

Moral Responsibility and Operating Systems

Speaker 1 28:35

well, the way the laws are right now, a pregnant woman that causes her child to die without aborting it is charged, not necessarily with murder, but with something with. You know reckless child something, whatever it is. You don't just get a total pass if your kid dies while they're still inside of you.

Speaker 2 29:00

Well, but we can argue on whether or not that should be now if you're asking me now is that the right approach or not?

Speaker 1 29:06

no, no, you're missing.

Speaker 2 29:08

So what? What I'm going towards here is well, what is the practicality of making suicide if you're pregnant, or suicide in general illegal? What the if I'm gonna kill myself? What the fuck difference does it make? How are you gonna enforce that one there, bud?

Speaker 1 29:24

We're not going to let you kill yourself. We're going to put you in prison for attempting to do so. Okay, Well yeah, because you know.

Speaker 2 29:31

Epstein, anyway, sorry.

Speaker 1 29:36

Get your bingo cards out, kids.

Speaker 2 29:38

Yeah. But what I would say, though, is you know, you can't legislate that level of morality. You just can't.

Speaker 1 29:46

Yeah, because here's the thing. When has legislating morality ever worked? Give me one example.

Speaker 2 29:51

Exactly Well here. Well, one of our favorite state representatives from Virginia would say that morality is the only thing you can legislate, but we're going to ignore that for now. What I would say? That morality is the only thing you can legislate, but we're we're gonna ignore that for now. Um, what? What I would say is locks and laws are for honest people who want to obey them. Yes, no one else. Yes, if you. You know, heinlein had a great quote I care not for the law, what laws a society may have, because if I agree with them, I will keep them, and if I don't, I won't. Right. And I'm paraphrasing because he knew that his immoral authority, his moral responsibility, started and stopped with him yeah and that was that.

Speaker 2 30:42

That is the way we should all be yeah now again. If you're getting into harming another, that's another thing. But in the cases of forced insemination, where you didn't consent to it to begin with and you decide you do not want to live for this person who I would argue is an innocent, but whatever, it's still your choice. No one can force you to do that. It may be an immoral and it represents a hensible thought, but guess what?

Speaker 1 31:13

but that you're talking about a very much an edge issue. Like there are very few, I have argued this for years.

Speaker 2 31:21

If, if rape and incest was all we were fucking talking about, there would be no argument over abortion.

Speaker 1 31:26

Yeah, cause 99% of the people agree on that, with a very slim number of people that just are absolutists. Now, I don't have a horse in this race, cause I'm actually a 92 month abortionist. Um, you know, toddlers are annoying, but, um, abortionists, you know toddlers are annoying, but most people tend to fall on the earlier, the better side. If they're pro-abortion. With some people and usually this is an inverse of age, like the younger they are, the more months they want to be able to kill a child. The older they are, the more reasonable they are. That well, look, if you're going to do it, let's at least limit it to the fewest number of cells.

Speaker 2 32:10

By the way, the Heinlein quote was I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I will tolerate them. If I find them obnoxious, I will break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything that I do.

Speaker 1 32:26

Yeah, there's a man who's never been tortured.

Speaker 2 32:33

Okay.

Speaker 1 32:33

Just saying I mean, it sounds great. Right, you can't argue with that thought, but physical pain has a way of changing people's minds.

Speaker 2 32:45

A weaker mind, yeah sure.

Speaker 1 32:47

Well, a lot of people are a lot weaker than they think they are.

Speaker 2 33:11

Fair enough. It doesn't sideline the concept of pain being used to control the mind. The agent provocateur, the manufacturer resistance is a Jewish name.

Speaker 1 33:32

Oh, in the book, mm-hmm, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 33:35

By the way, just going back to my cache and cookies and stuff, temporary cached files and pages is one gigabyte.

Speaker 1 33:44

Okay, Well, I mean it's more than you probably ought to have, but it's not crazy. I mean you've got terabytes worth of stuff in there.

Speaker 2 33:52

Apparently Sorry.

Speaker 1 33:56

And when's the last time you reinstalled this system?

Speaker 2 34:00

Oh, this is a pretty old windows system that I'm using, so I'm going to clear the 66 cookies, taking up 17 billion gigabytes so I actually brought my gaming laptop on the trip.

Speaker 1 34:15

So that new one yeah, um and uh, other than the expected. Like, obviously battery life sucks, but that's to be expected. Um, but I've been pretty happy with it. It's uh, I've not. Usually I bring a Mac when I travel and, um, I've not really missed having the Mac, but then again I've been not too far from an outlet most of the time.

Speaker 2 34:43

Yeah, I mean, I think, as long as you have yeah, and this is my first windows 11 machine okay I'm slowly getting used to where everything is because they moved everything.

Speaker 1 34:54

Well, you know you can move it back.

Speaker 2 34:56

I didn't know that yeah, so like the, the start button and being in the middle and everything you can change that move, move that like I. It's the dumbest fucking thing ever.

Speaker 1 35:05

Let me put this in the middle.

Speaker 2 35:07

Why would you do that? But I'm putting the x on the, it's like putting the maximize, minimize and close on the uh left hand side. It makes no sense well, it was there.

Speaker 1 35:19

Uh, from the get-go on the left side it got moved to the right side, but you're just used to the right side every other operating system I have ever used, with the exception of one, it has been on the right hand side well, that's fine, I think bos was the only one who copied the mac. Which one BOS? I don't know what BOS is.

Speaker 2 35:45

Oh, bos was kind of a neat operating system back in the day. Really, I've never seen that.

Speaker 1 35:51

Well, you know, the Mac was just copied from Xerox, so you can blame them, but that was back in the late 70s.

Speaker 2 35:59

I don't think they had the same buttons at that time.

Speaker 1 36:04

Their Windows interface was exactly what the Mac is. The colors are different, the actual images are different, but the locations of where you close the window and where you zoom in the window, those were all original from the Xerox.

Speaker 2 36:17

I'm trying to see a screenshot of BOS and see if it's where I think it is.

Speaker 1 36:27

And I think the only reason that windows put them on the other side is to avoid any kind of lawsuit for copying. So but of course their market share was much higher, so way more people got used to having those buttons be on the right side. I honestly don't care. I in fact fact I'd even say I prefer on the right. I'm gonna go against the mac on this one, even though the mac did it first. Um, it does kind of feel like being right-handed. The mouse naturally falls more on the right side, so I want the scroll bar on the right. I want the, the maximize, minimize and close window on the right as well. But I don't think that's why Windows did it. I think Windows did it purely like they would have copied them to be on the left if they thought they could get away with it.

Speaker 2 37:16

Okay. So yeah, BOS goes back to like 1995 and ended in 2000 and it was power PC and Intel architecture. Oh really.

Speaker 1 37:30

Wow Power PC and.

Speaker 2 37:31

Intel yeah.

Speaker 1 37:33

Interesting.

Speaker 2 37:34

It was pretty interesting. It was used in a lot of um multimedia stuff back in the day because of the way it worked.

Speaker 1 37:45

I remember the Amiga back from way back when.

Speaker 2 37:48

Well, yes, but this is not the Amiga, this is BOS.

Speaker 1 37:52

I'm trying to remember if the Amiga had the close buttons on the right or left. I can't remember. Off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 37:56

I don't know I'd have to go look at OS2 and all that.

Speaker 1 38:03

I'm pretty sure OS2 was on the right. I did use os2 for a few years, so I remember and it had really good multitasking.

Speaker 2 38:11

That's the other thing I remember about os2 well that bos was really good at multitasking and 3d stuff and all sorts of stuff back in the early days. I'm surprised you never heard of BOS. But apparently there's a new open source initiative that's coming out that's going to be using some sort of BOS architecture.

Speaker 1 38:33

Oh, you should see if you can get the multi working on it. Oh, what's the challenge for you, ben?

Speaker 2 38:53

You know what, if I could get it working on linux, I would be um, I would be very, very happy yeah, haiku uh. Os beta 5 is basically a thing on uh thing, on. Uh, I saw this one hackaday back. Uh, what'd you think of trump's uh garbage man outfit? I thought it was hilarious. I thought it was a wonderful response, I thought his whole set was good I think he had some good jokes in there. He's fucking brilliant, I.

Texas, Politics, and International Relations

Speaker 1 39:17

I think his response was great I I don't know if it was rogan or somebody else said, but like trump, totally could have had a career as being a stand-up oh, yeah, definitely, yeah, I think his.

Speaker 2 39:29

I think we heard more of what joe actually thought about trump during the jd fans interview than the trump interview, but I I think both trump and vance going on roan back to back like that was brilliant on their part and I think it's hilarious because Tim Waltz isn't going to go on there. Kamala's not going to go on there.

Speaker 1 39:57

John.

Speaker 2 39:58

Fetterman, though, did go on there. Yeah, I haven't gotten to watch the Fetterman though did go on there.

Speaker 1 40:04

Yeah, I haven't gotten to watch the Fetterman interview yet, but I did notice that it was two hours versus. Vance and.

Speaker 2 40:09

Trump was three.

Speaker 1 40:11

Interesting. Yeah, yeah, it's. Did you hear Joe's latest gaffe where he said that he's referring to Trump is kind of guy I'd like to slap on the ass? No, I retweeted it. What did he actually mean by that? I think the expression on his face was that he meant a kick in the ass, but he said a slap on the ass. I think joe had some slaps on his mind there but.

Speaker 1 40:41

I think I, like you could, if you go by the, uh, the flow of of the words that he probably was intending to say a kick in the ass, okay, a slap on the ass interesting okay, whatever, yeah, but I I love all these kind of they're, they're all stunts, right, the whole mcdonald's thing, the garbage truck thing, but they're good stunts they're good stunts because they're good natured. He's poking fun of himself more than anything.

Speaker 2 41:14

Yeah, but you know the, the garbage truck thing was really sharp because it took what was a, you know, a moderate gaffe and a la hillary clinton basket of deplorables right right and just nailed it home.

Speaker 1 41:35

Yep yeah yeah, well, but but his whole joke, uh on his, uh, I keep thinking it's a stand-up routine, but his, uh, his speech that he was giving was that. You know they, we were on the plane and I was like, where's my suit? Uh, I want to get my suit on. And they're like, sir you, you don't want to wear that. I think you'd look pretty good if you just came out in that they're like, nah, I don't want to get my suit. And then somebody says, well, okay, we'll grab your suit. Just, you know, you should probably be aware that this really looks slimming on you, and so he decides to wear it out. But the fact it's not just that he did that like that alone would have been funny if somebody else was telling a story, but the fact that he's the one that's telling the story of himself being persuaded to wear a safety vest because one of his aides said it makes you, it's slimming on you, it makes you yeah, he's very self-deprecating that?

Speaker 1 42:39

who says that? Nobody fucking says that, not any politician.

Speaker 2 42:43

You'd be hard pressed to even find a comedian that's going to make fun of their weight dude, he has enough self-confidence obviously yeah yeah, like, let's be honest, trump does not suffer from a lack of self-confidence no, no, he does not have that ailment. Okay, alright, so.

Speaker 1 43:04

Yeah, the greatest, the best.

Speaker 2 43:12

Some may say, which I don't know why I kind of sound like a Fauci, you kind of do sound like a Fauci, it's true. Oh man, no, but did uh watch trump and vance on uh uh, joe rogan I watched all of trump. I just started watching a little bit of vance I I of mine to watch the Vance and Trump interviews.

Speaker 2 43:57

They very much think that Vance is their, their. Their idea of Vance was wrong and that he sounds very reasonable and very much changes their opinion of him, which I one of them are true conservatives.

Speaker 1 44:14

No, not at all, and that's what's so funny to hear the the never Trumpers up there like talking about stuff. That's clearly. If you just listen to the guys for an hour you'd know it was false.

Speaker 1 44:28

They're just repeating talking points that are total bullshit. If you wanted to really attack the right, you wouldn't be attacking Vance or Trump. You'd be attacking, ironically, the people that currently are supporting kamala, that got us into the uh, the war in iraq. Uh, you know that's. That's the people that I think have run the republican party for many years. Um, okay, yes, right, am I wrong?

Speaker 2 44:59

but anyway, the the the Trump Vance interviews were both great in their own ways, I think. Trump talking to Joe for as long as he did about MMA, while it doesn't really strike home for me because I'm not really into MMA.

Speaker 2 45:26

For a lot of people that was something else, that that they just wouldn't expect him to know a lot of the fighters and the fights. And you know joe rogan sitting there remembering stuff, you know he he's like I don't know if I remember it that way on a couple of things, but you gotta know that if trump was sitting there blowing smoke up some somebody's ass. Joe's going to call him out.

Speaker 1 45:45

Of course yeah.

Speaker 2 45:47

And then JD Vance. The Vance interview was fantastic. My God, I cannot wait for Vance Gabbert. You know 2028.

Speaker 1 46:00

He's a smart dude.

Speaker 2 46:01

He is, he's very smart.

Speaker 1 46:02

I hope Vivek's involved in that, because I, I still like Vivek, like I, I I like what comes out of his mouth more than Vance. I agree. Yeah, um, and I was always a fan of um of uh, what's her name? Tulsi. Uh, even fan of um of uh, what's her name, tulsi. Uh, even when she was a democrat, I was like, out of all the democrats, that's my favorite democrat right there. Um, so now that she's no longer a democrat, it's kind of weird, but yeah, so I like her. But also like like she didn't come to the republican party, from libertarianism. You know what I mean. Like okay she.

Speaker 1 46:50

She came a different route and I well, you didn't come to texas from birth, but you know we we forgive you for it, it's okay you know, some would say that having had to make a choice to come to Texas makes me more of a Texan than somebody that made no decisions whatsoever about being here and just happened to be born here.

Speaker 2 47:10

I made plenty of decisions about being here. I'm not talking about you.

Speaker 1 47:14

I'm talking about people that never left. Now you left the state and you came back, and that makes you on par with me, but for people that never left, it's kind of like of like. Well, you know how texan are you really?

Speaker 2 47:29

okay, just saying oh I, I think this is, I think you know there. There are just some logical issues with that come with height restrictions.

Speaker 1 47:43

Yeah, I don't know what you mean by that. I did have a bumper sticker. When I first moved to Texas, I put a bumper sticker on it. It says I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here as soon as I could, got here as fast as I could. They sold those at the gas station.

Speaker 2 47:58

Yeah, I had one that said Texan by birth.

Speaker 1 48:04

Agggie, by the grace of god and you know when I'm playing video games, talking to people on um uh discord from all over the world, I'm playing a lot of brits, a lot of australians, um, the uh. Inevitably the question is oh and and uh, where are you from? Always comes up. And and one thing is it's not just me that does it. It's like everybody from Texas always says I'm from Texas. Everybody else from every other state says I'm from the United States. No, no, no, no, I'm from Texas.

Speaker 2 48:41

Well, no, no, no, I'm from texas. Well, I mean, that's the way it should be, though it should be. Yeah, your state is much more akin to your country than yeah. Yeah, you know like someone from france doesn't go.

Speaker 1 48:55

I'm from the european union, which I don't know why they sounded british, but you know, apparently, accents are not my thing today yeah, I got like three hours of sleep friday I mean like I had french friends when I was a kid and um, and they were very stereotypically french, like whenever they said the word america they would spit um, because being americans.

Speaker 2 49:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You only saved us through two world wars. Yeah, what have you done for us? Exactly so I'm sorry, your maginot line, just uh, you know your maginot line that'll brain amy. Sorry you're.

Speaker 1 49:39

So there was a French shoe line that owned the. What the hell was the brand? It was like it wasn't a rooster, it was some kind of a bird thing. I can't remember what it was, but anyway I was friends with the kid whose dad was the VP of that company company for the united states, and that was a french company and um, the. So he traveled all. That's, incidentally, the first time I ever found out about all the perks on airplanes, because he was a a high mile perk dude back in the 80s back when it, like you, really had a different level of service yeah

Speaker 1 50:28

which we need to talk about some of the changes that are coming up and what I need to do, but anyway, go ahead yeah, well, no, my, my only point was that, like, he was almost like the cartoon that you would expect of you know, peppy lepe Le Pew. It was an extremely stereotypical French guy, you know, married but flirting with all the women, had a great disdain for every other country on the planet as being not cultural, all kinds of things like that. That was pretty funny, yeah. But his wife, my friend's mom was a great cook. Like French food. I loved eating at their house.

Speaker 2 51:12

Yeah, french food can be delicious.

Speaker 1 51:17

Good stuff, Anyway. What were you going to talk about airplanes?

Speaker 2 51:21

I think I'm going to lose my status.

Speaker 1 51:26

Oh, because you're not flying enough. Yeah, how far down are you?

Speaker 2 51:30

Ways and then next year to get back where I am currently. They're upping it significantly.

Speaker 1 51:39

Oh, really, they're moving it. Yeah, oh yeah, I haven't had status for shit.

Speaker 2 51:52

Well, over a decade. Yeah, I have status and I I don't have a lot of status, but I don't want to give it up like the. You know the the free upgrades and stuff that you get with a little bit of status does make it worth it, but I I am holding on to marriott stuff like I. I will at the end of this next trip, not this trip. Next trip I'll re-up my marriott status, which is good, but airline status is just killing me lately.

Speaker 1 52:22

Yeah, yeah, I think I maintained it for a couple years after I aggressively stopped flying, just by taking some holiday trips, but I just eventually gave up because, honestly, it wasn't doing anything for me anyway.

Speaker 2 52:38

It only if you're traveling. But the problem is I didn't travel as much this year as I did the year before and therefore I'm losing my status.

Speaker 1 52:47

Problem is next year I will be traveling, probably as much as I was the year before, but I won't have the status you can always do a buy-in where in January you just pay some money to get a usually 60 days worth of upgraded status and as long as within those 60 days you travel X amount, then that carries through till the end of the year.

Speaker 1 53:16

I mean with United, I can buy into status and it's good for the next, the rest of the year, but it's it's not cheap no, no so you know that's an out-of-pocket expense yeah, yeah, well it's, it is a trade-off and, like I said, it's what I found out is when I was no longer flying on a weekly basis for work.

Speaker 2 53:44

When I did fly, then I just flew first class, so it didn't make any difference yeah well, oh, we've got a little bit more of a light beer budget over here, so well, not anymore, sounds like you closed the big contract.

Speaker 1 54:02

I'd say when you have that conversation with the boss, you could say you know? Um, I'd really like to not have to worry about whether I'm getting upgraded again or not.

Speaker 2 54:14

We'll talk about that. That's not quite the way it'll go, but yeah, I always approved shit like that when I was working for a big company.

Speaker 1 54:24

I'm like, yeah, Because travel is more than just simply not being at the same physical location. When you're gone for that week, you're probably getting divorced, you're not going to see your spouse like. All that has additional costs. You don't figure into what the person's making. So if they want to stay in a nicer place, you want to drive a nicer car, you want to fly first class.

Speaker 2 54:45

I'm going to prove it right, but the company may have policies that prevent them from doing that yeah, you know, deal with those when it comes anyway, I'm very interested to hear what you think of the vance interview when you're done.

Shotgun Ammo and Skeet Shooting

Speaker 1 55:04

I'll finish watching it.

Speaker 2 55:05

Um, I'm sure we'll talk about it next time, and we both need to listen to the fetterman one because I want to see if his brain works at all well, the last bits like little short clips I've seen from fetterman.

Speaker 1 55:17

It seemed like his brain was working better than a lot of democrats yeah, I think he.

Speaker 2 55:22

I think he had that stroke. He had a very hard time and I think he's recovered, mainly um, which I think is ironic because someone who literally had a stroke and brain damage where he had to have something showing him the text and things like that, um, I think his brain works better than kamala's did you watch the um blagojevich interview?

Speaker 1 55:44

with uh, was it tucker that did it? He was the guy that was in wisconsin that ended up going to prison yeah, I, I haven't.

Speaker 2 55:52

I don't get to watch a lot of tucker stuff because he doesn't post it really where I can watch it with any ease. Oh, it's an x yeah, which x sucks, sure, and if I want to watch it from my computer then fine.

Speaker 1 56:08

But if I want to phone too not and do anything else.

Speaker 2 56:12

If you switch applications, it interrupts it sucks.

Speaker 1 56:16

It's the worst app. I agree. The x, the x app that they built just really sucks. I I can't believe it's been a year and elon hasn't done a new one well, it just you.

Speaker 2 56:28

You have to be able to play stuff in the background. You have to be able to shift to audio. Only you have to be able to shift to audio. Only you have to be able to pick up where you left off and it not just fall off or freeze or the video randomly stop and then you have to reload the whole thing.

Speaker 1 56:42

And it never remembers where you are.

Speaker 2 56:44

Correct.

Speaker 1 56:45

Every time it goes to the beginning.

Speaker 2 56:46

Correct. So guess what, don't fucking watch Shadow Max, not anything long form.

Speaker 1 56:52

Short form fine. I think you can also sub't care and watch it on his website I'm sorry I think you can subscribe to tucker as well and watch on his website sure, and then I can use the computer. That I was just saying I didn't want to use it, right, right, um, yeah, well, you definitely don't see his stuff on youtube. I don't think he does anything on rumble, does he?

Speaker 2 57:15

I haven't seen him on rumble. That's what I'm saying I don't like.

Speaker 1 57:19

I hate the rumble interface. I think they're certainly in second place behind youtube, but I hate their fucking interface sucks. Their app sucks, everything sucks. I went to odyssey the other day. You remember odyssey? Uh, the third or fourth place guy in that category. They look visually on their website like a complete knockoff of youtube. Everything's in the same place, everything's called the same thing. It makes it very easy to navigate if you're used to youtube. However, this is the problem, because they're third or fourth the people that are on odyssey. Holy shit, are these some extreme views? Oh yeah, you got everybody from like. The government is full of aliens that are here to subjugate you to I mean, that's not really an extreme view, dude.

Speaker 1 58:12

Okay, I mean, that's david ike yeah, yeah, there you go to like uh jesus wasn't a jew. To like uh the uh, uh the q anon folks are still sitting on odyssey. They've been kicked off of everywhere else apparently. They're still on odyssey okay and that's.

Speaker 1 58:31

That's like just the right side of it. On the left side you've got the most extreme. You know socialism in the United States here and now. Uh, antifa is too conservative types Like it's. It is the most polarizing extreme of any video content I've seen. There's not a whole lot in the middle, cause I think the middle is mostly on. Uh, well, it's, some of it is on YouTube, but I think most of it at this point is on rumble, okay.

Speaker 1 59:03

So I just wish I had an interface that was closer to Odyssey and YouTube. That's all.

Speaker 2 59:10

Okay, so I should go look at Odyssey, is what you're telling me.

Speaker 1 59:14

If you want to look at the, the two extreme extremes. Yes, I would agree with that. Go, go, look at odyssey well, all righty then um, because the interface is really nice. The uh, um, what else about I? I didn't spend more than about 20 minutes in there, honestly.

Speaker 2 59:40

Um well, as a Jew, I'm sure you felt the hatred and had to leave.

Speaker 1 59:44

Well, I didn't really feel the hatred. I mean, I saw a lot of stupidity. I didn't really feel the hatred per se, but I didn't find a whole lot of interesting content on there, so the content was the issue for me. Okay, I've been making YouTube videos, playing video games. Yeah, video games exactly. Well, I've been playing quite a bit here on my laptop and, uh, so I've I I don't know I I'm actually kind of uh, um.

Speaker 1 1:00:25

Surprisingly is realizing how easy it is to do the game recordings on the laptop, because I I I thought I have a much more complex workflow on my home computer, but on here it's like just one screen, so it seemed like it's actually a lot simpler Okay.

Speaker 2 1:00:49

So, yeah, not sure what to say to that.

Speaker 1 1:00:52

I know you don't play games it should be pretty straightforward regardless. Well, like you know, the more options you have, the more decisions you got to make, the more you kind of tweak things back and forth. You know what I mean Sure. Yeah, so on the laptop it's all simpler, sure, all simpler, all simpler Plus you stay nice and toasty, because boy does that thing generate heat.

Speaker 2 1:01:19

Well, I mean you, you don't want to put it on your balls you don't want to put it anywhere in your body.

Speaker 1 1:01:23

Do that. It's it honestly. You don't want to put it on the table, you want to put it on like a stand yeah, something like a couple of corks at least on top of the table to raise it up to get some heat flow. I don't think. Well, I know it's not, it wouldn't burn you if you touched it, but it's probably somewhere in the 120, 130 degree range on the bottom of the case. Okay, yeah, not a temperature that you want to be touching.

Speaker 2 1:01:51

No, that's pretty warm.

Speaker 1 1:01:52

Yeah, yeah, but given that it's like 50 degrees outside, that's all right yeah, that nice fall seattle weather, that it's just famous for. I'm sure you really enjoy it I honestly was hoping I would get here earlier and not have to deal with it, but hey, I just don't want to deal with it. But hey, I just don't want to deal with the snow.

Speaker 2 1:02:18

Well, luckily.

Speaker 1 1:02:20

Seattle doesn't get a lot of snow.

Speaker 2 1:02:21

I've been caught in snowstorms in Seattle, but you do get that freezing fog which is just like what the fuck, yeah, yeah. Like. This is the worst possible outcome for ice.

Speaker 1 1:02:33

It's, uh there, yeah. When it it starts cooling off, there's definitely a lot more opportunity for bad driving weather.

Speaker 2 1:02:42

No two ways about that so have you ever heard of nsi ammo? So uh, one of my dad's buddies who does a lot of hunting, he apparently has recommended it for shotguns. And it's Noble Sport. Look it up. Noble Sport, nsi, noble Sport, whatever.

Speaker 1 1:03:07

Okay, yeah, it's American.

Speaker 2 1:03:11

I don't know if it's American or not, look it up. Uh, I don't know if it's american or not, look it up, but it's some of the cheaper shotgun ammo that apparently uh performs really well interesting, and by well you mean like consistently or accurately, or what consistently it's shotguns, so it's noble sport italia, so I'm guessing it's italian. Um, consistent, uh, just good ejection, good clean ammo that works yeah, and is the price good then, or?

Speaker 1 1:03:50

yeah, it's decent yeah okay, got it, got it cool. I think I still have a bunch of winchester back uh at the house why I had to and federal I had to buy some three inch shells and oh, you had to okay. Yeah for testing shotgun. Got it yeah testing yeah right, yeah, those pesky tests yeah, which you know.

Speaker 2 1:04:20

Three to three and a half inch shells are just a different animal yeah, yeah, I don't I'm.

Speaker 1 1:04:28

I don't think I've shot three and a half. I think I've only shot three inch.

Speaker 2 1:04:31

Well, I am going to be going and doing some fun skeet shooting here, hopefully as soon as I get back Nice.

Speaker 1 1:04:43

Yeah, yeah, I haven't done that in C. Uh, I think two years I haven't gotten skeet shooting in.

Speaker 2 1:04:50

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:04:51

Mm. Yeah it's. I don't know, man, I'd like I don't know I never shot skeet. All right, I don't know if it's related to just getting older or just the friends that I have or don't have here in Austin, but I hardly ever do that stuff anymore, and I used to do that a lot before I moved to uh Austin. Uh, it seemed like it was a pretty regular thing to get guys to go down to the um, do some traps or skeet.

Speaker 2 1:05:25

Well, I've never done either, I've always, you know.

Speaker 1 1:05:28

I've just never, I've never, I've never done that sport shooting with uh actual birds.

Speaker 2 1:05:34

Yeah, but I've just never. I've never done the. I've never shot a clay pigeon in my life other than, anyway, as a fixed target for like pistols and stuff. So so anyway, I I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to get into it and try it, just to play around with it.

Speaker 1 1:05:55

Yeah, do you have a good range nearby? Does that?

Speaker 2 1:05:58

There are a couple ranges. One you have to bring your own thrower, the other it's pretty expensive, but they have a whole course set up for you and everything else. But you know it's not expensive in that like I think it was 90, I'll have to go look, but 90 targets thrown at you in a day going through their course was like $70.

Speaker 1 1:06:30

Is it the course, or is it just you shoot one.

Speaker 2 1:06:34

They've got multiple stations and different ones. Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:06:38

I mean it's been a long time since I've done that A course like a golf course, not like a.

Speaker 2 1:06:43

we're going to an instructor.

Speaker 1 1:06:47

Yeah, so last one of those that I did was over a decade ago, before I moved to Texas at all, and I think it was around 40 bucks no, stuff's gone up yeah, so that's I. That's what I mean. I think it's reasonable because in over a decade it's probably doubled in price.

Speaker 2 1:07:04

Yeah I mean I I don't find it unreasonable, I'm just saying it's not. I wouldn't call it cheap, but the the ccc gun complex that I go to out here they used to have trap and skeet stations, but people kept screwing up their throwers.

Speaker 1 1:07:21

So now it's screw you, bring your own. Exactly, yeah, I and one of the places I used to go did the same thing and honestly they're not that expensive. You can pick one up at Cabela's or Bass Pro for about 160 bucks Cheaper than that. Well, the one I would have picked up would be 160 bucks.

Speaker 2 1:07:41

Well, send me the one that you would pick up, because you can get a cheap one for like 40 bucks.

Speaker 1 1:07:48

Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 1:07:50

That's manual and you pull and then you put two more, and then you pull.

Speaker 1 1:07:54

I like the one with the you pull and I like the foot switch. You push the foot switch and it shoots oh, you can get that for 60 bucks okay, all right, good um, because that's I mean, I'm not saying, it's gonna hold up very long or other than yeah, great quality like the pro stations.

Speaker 1 1:08:10

That's. What they have is just a foot switch and that way it's uh, and there's two modes for the foot switch. There's an immediate mode and the random mode, random delay. So if you have the immediate mode, you know you get ready as soon as you want. The thing goes off when you press the your foot down. The random one is you're in a semi-ready position, you push the switch and then as soon as you see it flying out, then you get in the ready and shoot.

Speaker 1 1:08:38

So that's a nice way of doing it. The fact that you only have two rounds in the gun kind of slows you down a little bit, so you're not constantly just bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam bam. So at first I didn't like it because I was used to shooting handguns, but eventually I actually kind of came around to the idea that actually this is a good thing. Having that two round limit kind of makes you enjoy the process a little more and if you miss, well you know you don't have an extra opportunity to hit it again, whereas if you had a full magazine that you could unload. But you obviously hit everything every time.

Speaker 2 1:09:19

Yeah, I mean I'm, I will. I would limit myself to two in the magazine and one in the chamber, which would be three, because that's the waterfowl limit, yeah, yeah.

Saturday Night Live and Political Humor

Speaker 1 1:09:36

Yep, cool beans dude. Anything else Trump-related that we're, I'm trying to think, because it's been two weeks since we chatted last.

Speaker 2 1:09:47

Well, I mean, when are you going to get this out?

Speaker 1 1:09:50

I should get it out today, because I got nothing else to do, then go vote. Sorry, go vote. Okay, but only if you vote for trump. If you don't want to vote for trump, don't vote no, I don't care, I think everybody should go vote I don't think so.

Speaker 1 1:10:04

I think only the right people should go vote okay, well there's a difference between you and me yes, you're willing to suppress. I am not hell yeah, it's not suppression. I'm just telling people bad weather, don't bother going out, unless you vote for trump, in which case go up yeah it's well. We've had this conversation plenty of times. I I think that the idea of everybody in the country going out and voting, including people that have no clue who's running, is just a bad idea.

Speaker 2 1:10:38

Yeah, and I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 1 1:10:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:10:42

I think there's plenty of bad ideas, though.

Speaker 1 1:10:44

So Okay, I think this is why that skit on Saturday Night Live where the guy couldn't remember the VP's name yeah. Tim O'Rourke or whatever.

Speaker 2 1:10:54

Tim Cain like that.

Speaker 1 1:10:57

That was funny to me for that reason, because that is the type of personality that is just constantly, you know yelling about go and vote and how you know important yeah, and like a couple years ago by, he doesn't even know who the hell he was telling you to vote for back then yeah, it's kind of the opposite of cheers where nobody knows your name exactly.

Speaker 1 1:11:25

Yeah, I will say, and it's partly because they brought back some of the old actors they used to have, but I think this year saturday night Live is actually better than it has been in the last few years.

Speaker 2 1:11:37

Yeah, I think Saturday Night Live has definitely come back to life a little bit, which is nice.

Speaker 1 1:11:44

Yeah, they're certainly not anywhere near their peak. They've had a few peaks over the years, but compared to what they were three, four years ago, I mean it's way better. Yeah, yeah, compared to what they were three, four years ago.

Speaker 2 1:11:54

I mean it's way better.

Speaker 1 1:11:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah, even though they're still making fun. Plenty of Trump. They also had the guy that does Trump now doing the wearing the vest thing, and even he was funny doing Trump's jokes. What do you mean? Wearing the vest thing you know, wearing the garbage vest, the safety vest, and he was doing Trump's jokes. Yeah, he was doing the trump stand-up bit, you know, but it but it was funny because, like it was actually trump was funny doing it, so the guy doing trump doing that bit was also funny yeah, okay, I believe.

Speaker 1 1:12:33

Which is the way it ought to be. I remember watching Saturday Night Live during the Reagan years where God, what was his name? The Skinny Blues Brother.

Speaker 2 1:12:47

Belushi.

Speaker 1 1:12:48

No, aykroyd. Dan Aykroyd played Reagan, dan Aykroyd was playing Reagan and they had funny skits back then. They were genuinely funny, so it was uh, it was fun to watch, um, and then they just started going very, very woke, very unfunny well, I think a lot of places have, but yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I watched. I think I told you this personally, but I watched finally matt's movie. Am I racist?

Speaker 2 1:13:25

I haven't watched it yet. What do you think?

Speaker 1 1:13:27

no, I've been busy my first impression too short should have been at least half an hour longer. Yeah, I felt like they could have done at least another one or two of those kind of set things. Um, second impression they kind of showed about a third of the movie with all the little snippets and clips they've been showing for the last six months well, but they also just released it on their platform. Yeah, which is why I watched it, because that was too cheap to pay for it.

Speaker 2 1:13:55

Oh yeah, I mean, you give me shit about being cheap. You are cheap. You're like a Jew Son of a bitch. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I can say that Son of a bitch, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 1:14:18

So it finally came out and so I finally watched it. Uh, ben Shapiro's platform and uh no, it is funny. It it genuinely has comedy in it.

Speaker 2 1:14:28

It's not just no, it is a comedy movie. It is a comedy movie.

Speaker 1 1:14:34

Um, but I felt like was about a half hour too short, like I think it would have been a better package overall had they spent like another half hour in there.

Speaker 2 1:14:47

Really.

Speaker 1 1:14:48

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:14:49

Okay.

Speaker 1 1:14:50

Tell me what you think.

Speaker 2 1:14:52

I will. I'm not sure when I'll get to watch it, but I will. I may try and watch it while I'm in DC as humor.

Speaker 1 1:15:01

It might be banned there.

Speaker 2 1:15:02

I've got a lot. Well, especially when the Civil War kicks off, I've got a lot of shit going on while I'm there.

Speaker 1 1:15:09

Yeah, Busy, and you're back. What? A week later?

Speaker 2 1:15:13

I'm back friday, so I fly up tuesday. I'm back friday.

Speaker 1 1:15:16

Oh okay, just a quick trip, man but you know we'll be back uh normal schedule next week then yeah, I mean it's.

Speaker 2 1:15:23

It's one of those days, though, that it is like, well, I do have to go get my dog at some point, but it is one of those yeah uh trips. That just falls where I'm like fuck, it's not what I want to go up there.

Speaker 1 1:15:35

But yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and I had one of my buddies that that was doing a lot of pentagon shit. That was there on uh the um, uh january 6th for work.

Speaker 2 1:15:49

He was there and uh what were you doing in the area?

Turkey Hunting and Arizona Predictions

Speaker 1 1:15:53

yeah, yeah, it was like. You know, doesn't matter if you're there for work, because at&t still gave up your phone to the fbi as being somebody that flew in a day before and flew back three days later, and so, yeah, the the circumstance. It just means you have to talk to the fbi, basically, and then say, oh, I was there for work, boys, I'm on your side, I was on your team, so I'm sure that's all you're going to have to say when you're out there as well.

Speaker 2 1:16:27

Have you seen the new Tungsten and Bismuth?

Speaker 1 1:16:29

rounds? Uh-uh, yeah. Well, I was asking about the Bismuth rounds because I saw Bismuth shotgun rounds when they first came out, like 15 years ago, but I really haven't seen them sold since.

Speaker 2 1:16:41

Yeah, well, they're still being sold.

Speaker 1 1:16:43

But they're more expensive, right.

Speaker 2 1:16:44

They are more expensive. Yeah, yeah, everybody goes with steel.

Speaker 1 1:16:49

I would love to actually try Bismuth if we go bird hunting at some point, because I think as long as you're paying for the ammo yeah, obviously, but I don't plan on, you know, shooting the gun off that many times either, you know. I mean you need one hit per bird, right?

Speaker 2 1:17:09

if I'm shooting clays. It's all it takes I mean, yes, one round per bird, it would be ideal.

Speaker 1 1:17:16

Uh, if not, you know maybe how many pellets do you need to hurt the bird with to actually down it? Just one or two. One, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 1:17:24

So theoretically you can get more than one bird per shot. But yeah, you know yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 1:17:31

Yeah, I mean playing american hunter 2022. Um, I've done plenty of bird hunting there yeah but uh, I'm, I'm gonna just go on the limb and say that's not completely transferable experience yeah, no, it's not it's not, but the birds are damn hard to hit in that thing birds are really hard to hit in real life. Yes, yeah, yeah yeah, it's uh.

Speaker 2 1:17:56

People don't realize it is, they're not. It is not what's up with that.

Speaker 1 1:18:00

If they were colored orange would be easier to hit them, the birds uh, it has nothing to do with that. It is just fucking difficult to actually download a down bird yeah, well, I think orange does make a little bit of a difference.

Speaker 2 1:18:15

You'll see when you go shoot some clays I mean you say that, but the leading and learning to make a prediction that you're going to be shockingly surprised at how well you do shooting clays.

Speaker 1 1:18:28

Why?

Speaker 2 1:18:29

because I think it's easier than you think it is okay, but I I've gone out shooting clays with adam curry and you know he shoots a shotgun once every two years and he was doing pretty damn good okay, well, we'll see so, but, yeah, I'm, you know, the leading, and everything is its own skill set and it is not something that people do very often so well, except for anybody that's played call of duty for, you know, 12 years of their life, sure yeah, bismuth. So three inch magnum, 12 gauge shells steel. You know you're under a dollar a piece, right and bismuth. Bismuth is two dollars and four cents or yeah, I believe it.

Speaker 1 1:19:21

Yeah, the good thing about bismuth is it's non-toxic yes, and so is steel but like you can literally eat it okay, so anyway the tungsten.

Speaker 2 1:19:34

Do you want to know the tungsten rounds?

Speaker 1 1:19:36

Oh, that's got to be expensive. Tungsten is expensive material.

Speaker 2 1:19:39

So tungsten is $9.08 per round to $12 per round. Dude who?

Speaker 1 1:19:45

buys that I don't know Seriously, that's like 10 times as much as steel. Yes, and steel is double the price of lead minimum.

Speaker 2 1:19:53

Yes. Not that you could get lead anymore. But if you could, well you can. You just aren't supposed to use it for waterfowl but do they still sell? It, I don't even. Oh yeah, you can still get lead shotgun shells, oh good, but you're just not allowed to use it for migratory birds for birds right.

Speaker 1 1:20:08

How about stationary birds, non-migratory?

Speaker 2 1:20:11

oh, I mean you mean ground birds that are not federally regulated.

Speaker 1 1:20:16

It's going to depend on your state laws. Can you shoot turkeys with?

Speaker 2 1:20:20

lead. It's going to depend on your state laws.

Speaker 1 1:20:23

Do you know what it is in Texas?

Speaker 2 1:20:24

It's going to.

Speaker 1 1:20:25

I'm just not going to answer. Do we have turkeys here or?

Speaker 2 1:20:26

not you do. Yeah, you've got turkeys here, okay. I've never seen a turkey in texas so I don't know, oh what. I've never seen a live turkey in texas. Oh, okay, interesting. Why are they all on the east side, or what?

Speaker 1 1:20:41

uh, no, they're mainly out by you.

Speaker 2 1:20:43

No, yeah, hill country and all that there's a lot of turkey hunting out there.

Speaker 1 1:20:46

I have never seen any turkeys here. I've seen plenty of turkeys in my life living in other places, but I've never seen a turkey down here okay, well, they're turkeys intact I. I remember one time when my uh, we were, um stopped at a rest stop with my ex-wife and and there was a turkey that was standing, and you know, eating a worm or something, not too far away, and so she said, what the hell's that? I'm like that's turkey. And she's like I think I can just grab it by the neck.

Speaker 1 1:21:16

I'm like okay, hold on, let me get my camera out first, and then I'll record your attempt to grab it by the neck yes, you can, but if you're invisible and you make no noise and you have no smell, then, yes, you can grab it by the neck oh no, I mean, some turkeys are stupid and those dude those are the fastest little fuckers they can turn.

Speaker 2 1:21:36

Do a 180 degree, turn on a dime it will the first of all they are quicker than most people will give them credit for.

Speaker 1 1:21:45

Second of all, um you know they, they can be aggressive, little shit, so I'll just put it that way well, this thing ran away from her and around her and then stuck its fingers out in front of its nose and waved them as it did a you know, basically a roadrunner maneuver, as I recorded my ex-wife doing the try to catch it.

Speaker 1 1:22:07

It was hilarious it was definitely funny, it was almost as funny as the time that I got her to be the hand feed an ostrich. That was another time where I I assured her this thing is totally safe and you're mean son, not me. I just I had fun with my ex-wife but she uh, that's why we're still friends. But uh, yeah so, and I've fed ostriches from hands. Like I, I don't tell people to do shit. I've never tried, like you know.

Speaker 2 1:22:37

Yeah, austin area. Austin areas in Texas have historically strong turkey hunting.

Speaker 1 1:22:44

Damn. Maybe I should check that out, so East.

Speaker 2 1:22:48

Texas has some, but only out of the 12 counties. It's really more West Texas areas, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 1:22:56

Okay, so the.

Speaker 2 1:22:57

Rio Grande zone has normally good turkey hunting. Eastern Turkey is eh.

Speaker 1 1:23:06

I should find out when the season is.

Speaker 2 1:23:07

Not too far from you in South is going to be more, better, more better.

Speaker 1 1:23:13

Yeah, mo' better yeah.

Speaker 2 1:23:18

Mo' better.

Speaker 1 1:23:19

That sounds good, yeah, anyway did you last thing here and then I I think we could probably wrap up. Um, do you watch that video of the cops in the stadium?

Speaker 2 1:23:27

uh, beating up the two guys uh no, oh okay, what no, oh okay, what happened there?

Speaker 1 1:23:33

Anything on X, I I do. I have been like I get it.

Speaker 2 1:23:39

You have to understand, with the cancer shit going on, with the other personal shit, with work stuff. No, I have not been on X. I have not been doing what I should do as far as posting on lots of things. Like I've got to really start actually taking care of the website and doing some things there. I've been keeping up on politics because it's just fairly natural to what I do.

Speaker 1 1:24:05

And it's not. It's hard to avoid, frankly.

Speaker 2 1:24:07

Yeah, and you know we, we have this daily talk. You know you know not daily weekly talk and or ish. And you know I try and keep up and we, we do, uh, we do have some good stuff, but I just I haven't, I have not kept up the way I should.

Speaker 1 1:24:29

All right, well, oh. And before I forget which thing? Uh Darren, uh a All right, Well, oh. And before I forget wishing Darren a get better. I don't know what he's got, but he said he's been feeling miserable. So we actually skipped the last show.

Speaker 2 1:24:42

Friday.

Speaker 1 1:24:42

Yeah, yeah, so Darren's got some kind of nasty bug going around.

Speaker 2 1:24:49

Well, that sucks.

Speaker 1 1:24:55

Yeah, I think it's one of those things where it makes you like.

Speaker 2 1:24:58

Basically spend most of your time in the bathroom. You know what I mean. My yeah, hopefully only coming out one end I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 1:25:06

So clearly, you can't record a podcast when you need to be going to the bathroom all the time. So, um mean you could. But yeah, definitely, I'm sure you'll see it if you just scroll through X, a little bit of the videos of the two cops and like not, it's not an arrest video, it's a beat up the fuck out of somebody video and it's a black cop beating up a white dude, basically, and the caption is usually boy, if the races were reversed, just think of the riots that would be happening right now.

Speaker 2 1:25:41

Okay.

Speaker 1 1:25:42

And there's actually two different videos. I don't know if they're from the same event or not, but they both seem to be happening right now. One is a guy up in the stands that's arguing about something with a cop and the cop shoots him with a taser. A guy up in the stands that's arguing about something with a cop and the cop shoots him with a taser and the guy pulls out the taser and then the cop just starts, you know, completely wailing on him and and tasing him manually and stuff um, and doesn't stop, like just keeps going and going and going.

Duck Hunt and Sporting Clays Trip

Speaker 1 1:26:08

And the other videos of uh, two guys that are uh on the um on the stairs. You know like you have the stairs going up next to the seats and then one cop is beating a guy who's on the ground. He's just wailing his fists left and right at his head and the other cop is doing the same thing with another guy that's right on the stairs and just wailing at him. Like I don't know the context, I don't know what these guys did, so I don't want to put any opinions out in terms of uh yeah, they deserve it still, however it does not look like cop behavior.

Speaker 1 1:26:45

I mean, it does look, unfortunately, like cop behavior. It doesn't look like what we expect out of cop behavior. It looks like the kind of thing you'd see if it was just two guys having an argument that got physical where, like, clearly, one of them is better at fighting than the other, and the one that's better is just non-stop wailing on the other guy and not letting up. So of course my reply to that was uh, to put a little nwa uh music video on there.

Speaker 2 1:27:20

That's something. All right, man we will catch you all later.

Speaker 1 1:27:26

We appreciate everybody that's been doing this.

Speaker 2 1:27:27

I will say this ranch that real quick last thought here. This ranch where I was looking at doing some of the sporting clays and stuff. They have a little pay for a duck hunt. That might be worth going on.

Speaker 1 1:27:40

Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 1:27:44

So I sent it to you. I'm going to probably go there and shoot clays, at least. All right, and if it's a decent hunt for that price that they've got listed there, you might have to come stay and let's go do that real quick as a fun thing. Might have to, if it's a decent hunt for that price that they've got listed there. Okay, uh, you might have to come stay and let's go do that real quick as a fun, I agree.

Speaker 1 1:27:58

Yeah, all right. Well, we'll talk about uh later in the week.

Speaker 2 1:28:03

Yep.

Speaker 1 1:28:05

Cool beans. Um so, anyway, I was thinking people that donate I know we missed an episode here, so um so, hopefully we're back on track now we missed an episode because Gene was flying, I was in transit, I was flying, I couldn't do the episode and Ben didn't have the time to make it up to the next day. So we're all good. So we will do another one here in about a week.

Speaker 2 1:28:30

Well, Gene, we'll talk to you then and we may do a special episode from DC.

Speaker 1 1:28:35

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:28:36

Especially with the election going on.

Speaker 1 1:28:39

We better do a special episode while you're there, that'd be fun, exactly.

Speaker 2 1:28:42

So I am going to take the backup mic, I'm going to take the USB mic and I'll have some headphones with me and stuff like that as always with me and stuff like that, as always. But I'm take the backup mic and uh, you know, I will be luckily slightly outside of dc, slightly outside of baltimore, in a certain area of maryland uh, y'all can kind of figure that out and uh, yeah, it'll be fun, yeah back to his headquarters.

Speaker 1 1:29:11

Makes sense, sounds good all right man.