Just Two Good Old Boys
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Just Two Good Old Boys
096 Just Two Good Old Boys
Can you imagine the potential magic a Babylon 5 remaster could bring to its classic CGI and models? We kick off our episode with lighthearted chatter about our weekend—featuring a whimsical Christmas play and epic Elite Dangerous gaming moments—before diving into a spirited debate about Babylon 5's sci-fi legacy. Nostalgia meets tech as we muse over early CGI hurdles and the narrative brilliance of the series, all with a humorous nod to George Lucas' infamous historical revisions in entertainment. Our conversation seamlessly transitions into pondering the evolution of data storage, weaving personal anecdotes about Zip Disks, SCSI, and the days of precarious CD burning into the fabric of technological advancement.
For those of you who love assembling your own gadgets as much as watching them on screen, our journey through personal computer-building tales and laptop preferences might just hit home. We wax nostalgic about the heyday of IBM’s ThinkPads, express our fondness for Dell and HP, and cast a critical eye on Apple's operating system despite admiring their hardware. With a dash of humor, we even touch on the Microsoft Surface line's innovative magnesium build, reflecting on our own experiences and the ever-present temptation to upgrade even when it's not necessary.
As we round off this eclectic episode, we dive into the complex geopolitical entanglements of Ukraine and Russia, with speculative nods toward potential diplomatic settlements and military strategies. A playful examination of spaceship designs in Babylon 5 leads us into a discussion that blends sci-fi with reality, touching upon aviation marvels like the SU-57 and modern recreations of the P-51 Mustang. From gun ownership and Federal Firearms Licenses to viral video humor, our discussions remain engaging and varied, maintaining a balance of insight and laughter. Join us for a rich tapestry of conversation, where every topic gets its moment in the spotlight with our trademark blend of humor and personal perspective.
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Hey Ben, how are you today? I'm doing all right, gene Been, better been worse. It's one of those days, but you know what Got through a weekend? We were recording Sunday instead of Saturday because William had his little Christmas play thing, singing thing, that's your kid yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know it was good it all that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh you know it was good, it was fun, all right, good, good.
Speaker 1:How about?
Speaker 2:yourself.
Speaker 1:How's, how's your weekend been.
Speaker 2:Pretty, uh, pretty good. I got a major war going on and saw right now the uh attacking planet earth, so we've been working overtime trying to rescue the planet. But other than okay good, all right.
Speaker 1:So gene is playing a video game yes, I'm guessing this is elite dangerous elite dangerous, that's which is such a stupid fucking name for a show. Uh, so the original game was just called elite.
Speaker 2:It's dangerous. Yeah, the original game was just called Elite. It's dangerous. Yeah, the original game that came out 40 years ago, if you can believe it. This is a game that kind of inspired Babylon 5. So it's got a special place in my heart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think that's how that happened, Gene.
Speaker 2:Well, I think so. Okay, but man, it is hot here. I I switched the thermos mode off of automatic onto heat only because I didn't want the heat to run in the morning, and then, flipping over to ac and then flipping back, I was like, yeah, it's cool enough outside, I'll just go to pure heat only.
Speaker 1:But it's freaking 79 degrees up here yeah, we're 80, we're 80 and we're going back down to 30 later this week well, I think it's 77 outside but it's 79 inside, so I just oh no, we're 80 outside here you're 80 outside. Well you're, you're up north, so that makes sense I don't know how the words that came out of your mouth make sense, but okay.
Speaker 2:Total sense. But yeah, so should we chat about late topics like Babylon 5 before we delve in?
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure, I'm very interested to hear what you think, because I'm liking it more, man.
Speaker 2:I mean, I dislike it, but I'm liking it more.
Speaker 1:I've been going down, I've been re-watching it. I'm in the middle of season two. Okay, but we're in the same place. Then, yeah, I don't know where you're at, but I'm in the middle of season two. I've been going down the rabbit hole again with you. This is like the third or fourth time I've watched it and it's just so good, I forget because it's a few years between watchings and it's so good, the uh, the models are so horrible, though.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's the one thing one thing, but they're trying to do something innovative, I mean just in terms of build quality, Like you compare the build quality of the.
Speaker 2:This is all pre.
Speaker 1:Well, first of all, they don't have any models, it's all CGI.
Speaker 2:Right CGI, but it's pre-CGI truly being able to replace correct hand-built models, because they were trying. The star Wars hand-built models look way better than the CGI models of Babylon five. Yeah, but yeah, and even I think, well, you tell me you're more of a fan of this thing, but did the next generation use any models, or was it already all?
Speaker 1:Oh no, the next generation was all models. It was still models okay, yeah, next next generation. Um, up until you got into the movies didn't have any computer graphics at all. It was all um, it was all now voyager. Voyager started off with models but ended up with computer graphics. Okay, that's when, um, I'm pretty sure ds9 did as well. Nobody watched ds9 whatever and and and and you got to remember this people did watch ds9. In fact, it's a lot of people's favorite, which I don't necessarily agree with nobody's favorite.
Speaker 1:Anyway, all right um, they can like season one to season two. The models get a lot better with battle on five and they get better yet again here shortly.
Speaker 2:So yeah, you know, thing things do like season one models just look like legos.
Speaker 1:They look like they're built out of legos or part of it is also this was rendered for standard definition tvs, where it probably didn't look quite as bad, probably. And then you're upscaling and you're doing all these things and you're putting on a high definition or a 4K TV, and then it's like yeah, well, but I will say the actual show was clearly shot on film, not video, because you can see the film grain in 4K.
Speaker 2:Yes, like the version that Amazon has was remastered using the original film. I think not just crap that was broadcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they also. You know they've talked about going back and remastering this. Yeah, they've talked about adding a new show. They've talked about lots of things. But if they ever remastered it and like and re-rendered the space scenes and stuff, it would totally hold up the internal stuff. You know, crts versus LCDs, stuff like that. Okay, whatever. But if you updated the space battles and stuff like that, don't change anything, just re-render it to be better.
Speaker 2:And change all the guns to just like popsicle sticks. Sorry, I'm thinking of star wars, never mind, you know that's what lucas did. Right, he took all the guns out out of et or not star wars, et they took the guns out and changed them over to like popsicle sticks. And when did he do that? Oh boy, like 2000 okay, I don't know this, but sure yeah, there's a big brouhaha people bitching about how he's fucking with history oh, imagine that people going back and rewriting history like dude, that it really really all right.
Speaker 1:sorry, I gotta go on a bit of a rant here. It really fucking bugs me when people gaslight you and sit there and act like things are different, or they rewrite history and it's like no, and then when you call them out on, it become how do I put this? I put this so apoplectic as to you think they're going to potentially self-harm because they can't deal with the fact that you said, yeah, no, that's not true, like what the fuck.
Speaker 2:Sorry, rando. No, it's, it's totally true. And, to that end, one of the things, uh, when we get together next time, that I still need to give you is that of newspapers from the Civil War. It's been in my family forever and you know it's like it's crazy. We're living in a day and age where the only way you can guarantee that you have true history is by physically owning it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, printed books is by physically owning it. Yeah, printed books, because I am sure if you go to the websites of these newspapers the ones that are still around and you do some historical searches, you will probably see articles that don't have anything with the N-word in it.
Speaker 1:Or it will be yeah redacted, or whatever. Yeah, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure, and then you know it's. That's the thing it's like.
Speaker 1:It doesn't have to be physical, it's just that you have to have your own copy and your own copy, that offline copy that you own and can't be edited it can't be in it.
Speaker 2:And the problem is the the stuff that we used to think is like well, I'll burn a cd-rom. You can't, you can't fuck with that. After it's burned, it's there forever. Okay, I can't play half of those cd-roms that I burned 30 years ago why, because they don't play anymore, because I don't know they delaminated.
Speaker 1:I don't know what the hell happened uh, you didn't store them and you didn't buy good cds, you bought the cheap costco cds uh, no, no, this is way before costco. I got my first cd burner in 1993 yeah and it was uh, I got a I got my first cd burner in the 90s.
Speaker 2:It was an I uh iomega external usb 1.0 cd burner, really, yeah, okay, yeah, this was a I, I want to say yamaha and it was running on 1980.
Speaker 1:I had a yamaha uh cd burner and a dvd burner at the time so the yamaha was the first dual speed that ever came out. They were all singles and the yamaha was the first dual speed that ever came out.
Speaker 2:They were all singles and the Yamaha was the first dual speed. And as soon as that came out I bought one. It was a thousand bucks and it would trash about every 10th disc. And finally I figured out why and I put it on eight inches of styrofoam padding and after that it didn't trash any discs but the slightest little vibration bump.
Speaker 1:Yep on the desk and the io gear, the iomega one that I had, that was purple, you know, because everything iomega was if you bumped the desk or anything, it was just done yeah, yeah, that was it.
Speaker 2:This, this has to get rewritten, uh new disc.
Speaker 1:and then also, I remember when the burning software came out, where it would not only burn but then it would verify, because that was such a problem, like, do you remember that, yep, yep, like you would be burning an iso to a disk and it would literally write it to the disk, and this was back in the day of 1x, 2x, maybe 4x, if you're really fancy on how fast it would write the data to the disk and then, once that was done, it would then basically reread it, which would be done at generally 1x would read it and then compare to a hash, basically to the iso that it just wrote, and if it failed, then you knew your disk was trash and you had to start over. Yeah, and I've got. You remember ZipDisk?
Speaker 1:Sure 128 megabyte ZipDisk.
Speaker 2:I never liked Zip.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was better than a floppy.
Speaker 2:Come on. Well, of course, it was better than a floppy, but at that point though, I wasn't using floppies, I was using the Synology not Synology, something, sy, something. Uh, they were 44 gigs and then they went up to 88 gigs.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, you mean megs, megs, no, no, gigs, no, no, no, no, you're talking next they started with an s, they were the hard, they were like the, the iomegas were like floppy, like they were soft discs. They were were like Bernoullis, but the, the, these were, I want to say, but it's not Synology, but it sounds like Synology, cy, something I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:I think you're thinking of the disks.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I'm going to look it up. I should have enough to find them, because they had 44 meg and 88 meg Cy, something disks. Enough to find them, because they had 44 meg and 88 meg die something discs. Uh, psyquest yeah, that's what it was psyquest 40, the original 44s, then they had the 88s and then they came out with a small cartridge that was three and a half inch.
Speaker 1:these were five and a quarter inch the PsyQuest.
Speaker 2:Easy Drive? No no, the PsyQuest 44 meg drives the original ones.
Speaker 1:Send me a link. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know what you're talking about. It's an Easy Drive.
Speaker 2:Well, they didn't used to be called Easy Drives back when they first came out, that's literally the branding from PsyQuest. Easy 135.
Speaker 1:Easy 44.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, there was no easies when they first came.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this was a scuzzy drive, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2:I think by the time the 135s came out they might have rebranded them as easies, but they were not easies originally.
Speaker 1:But either way, it was a compete.
Speaker 2:It was competitor to the zip disk it was yeah, it was the original one, and then when the zip disks came out, they were way cheaper, and so way cheaper and they used more interfaces than just scuzzy. So therefore, they were more ubiquitous, yeah, yeah yeah, and so you know scuzzy. Scuzzy was a great interface dude uh, yeah, absolutely, it just took some expertise you couldn't just.
Speaker 1:You know, it wasn't like a parallel port where you have just one jumper and stuff like that yeah, there was a dude when I moved uh, you had to terminate that shit yes, you did.
Speaker 2:When I moved from uh, one of my places in minnesota, to the last house that I lived in, I threw away about a thousand dollars worth of skezzy cables because I kept them I kept and there was like and controllers and cards and all sorts of stuff. They were like gold plated. They were about a finger or a thumb thick, super thick cables. I mean it was crazy, but that's. You can't do that kind of shit.
Speaker 1:If you wanted high quality signal with no errors and, of course, like you said, you have to have a terminator on the last device, yep, yeah, and this was the cable would go into a device and then come out of a device, versus a ribbon cable for, like an old ide hard drive, that you had a master and slave device that would be on the same cable. Um, this was, you know, done serially as well, but it was different, right? So instead of being on a bus, this was a serial setup.
Speaker 1:Yep, whereas IDE is essentially a bus right Mm-hmm Because it's a shared cable.
Speaker 2:But you know, scsi was native on Macs, starting with the Mac Plus.
Speaker 1:so it started on PCs and servers and everything. In fact, I think the SCSI interface was originally on. It was on either a deck machine or maybe a cray where it came out, but it wasn't a Mac invention.
Speaker 2:Doesn't have to be a Mac invention. That's what popularized it for home users and make it ubiquitous and created the market for scuzzy drives for people, not servers. But it was uh, so on the Mac you couldn't get ID drives. So if you wanted to have a drive, it was either an internal drive or a scuzzy drive.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, I mean, scuzzy is dead now, uh, except, except, except, except. You know, I mean scuzzy's dead now, uh, except, except, except except, you know, sass drives, which still exist on servers essentially and you have a modern version.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I well, but ice guzzy is kind of interesting because ice guzzy boy, that's not really used very much anymore. So for those who don't know, iscsi is a protocol used over TCP IP for essentially creating a target that can be used by a VM host or any server operating system and be seen as an internal drive, even though it's an external. It's basically a poor man's SAN without having a fiber channel dedicated network.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's um, it is interesting, uh, but it does look like the SCSI interface was actually ratified uh two months 1980, uh 1986.
Speaker 1:Uh, and it was invented in 1980 and they it may have become a standard in 1986, but it was.
Speaker 2:It was. Yeah, it became the ANSI standard in 86.
Speaker 1:Yeah, designed 1981, sorry, sorry, sorry, 1981, 1990. I had to look it up. I had to look it up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what does design mean? I mean, it was invented or it was just some guy?
Speaker 1:No, it means it was designed and everything else, but it didn't become a standard, meaning like it was proprietary until it became a standard.
Speaker 2:Right, right, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it was an open it was a closed spec and then it became an open spec.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, the important thing is, once it became a a standard, then adapt tech was the company that made it too you remember adapt tech.
Speaker 1:I used to have adapt tech controllers all over the place I remember them, I don't, I don't think I really oh man, they wouldn't work.
Speaker 2:I didn't have any at home oh yeah, they, I had.
Speaker 1:I had a big, um, I had a big, big storage array for a long time. In fact, I really still do, but that's interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, amiga, atari, macintosh and Sun all started using SkyZ in 86.
Speaker 1:You know what's crazy. I wish they had what year this came out. I wish they had the year for these SCSI interfaces that came out separately, because when the first fiber channels came out, you know they immediately go to from 40. You know, 400 megabits per second, 40 right to gigabits, right. Just boom gigabits. The current SAS 4.0 is 22.5 gigabits per second.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a pretty fast interface.
Speaker 2:That's about the speed of my drives in my Mac.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a pretty fast interface. It's about the speed of my drives in my Mac, yeah, that are in VME directly on the motherboard, versus this is a separate channel dude. That's the difference.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Oh golly, oh man. You know, stuff like this just takes me back down memory lane and building my first computer and like I remember the first hard drive I ever put in a computer, uh, still to this day. I remember upgrading ram. I remember, I remember the first, uh, you know, the first desktop I purely built on my own out of spare parts what's the last computer you actually built? That I actually built.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well defined, built right um bought a case, you bought a motherboard, you bought a.
Speaker 1:Yeah um well, I've built some micro pcs and stuff like that. Uh, you know, fairly recently, but I wouldn't really call that building a computer, you know. Okay, I got a case three years ago.
Speaker 2:last call that building a computer. You know, okay, I got a case Three years ago. Last one I did was three years ago. That's my gaming PC.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the last one I built built would have been a little home server and that would have been probably 2016, 2018, somewhere in there. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because I don't, you know, I'm not counting stuff like upgrading RAM on my laptop.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking actually building out of full. Yeah, yeah, and that's why I'm not counting these micro PCs and stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm definitely getting the bug. I don't need to be spending money on new computer peripherals. My PC works just fine. But I've been watching a lot of shows on the new stuff coming down the pipeline and I'm like, ooh, it's going to be time to start rebuilding a PC again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean laptops do everything I need them to do and have for quite a while. I don't have a need for a desktop anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. And I mean shit, dude, even with the gaming laptop and have for quite a while like I don't have a need for a desktop anymore. Yeah, absolutely, and I mean shit, dude, even with the gaming laptop. Like my laptop that I bought uh what? Three months ago? Now four months ago, it's, it's a 4080 nvidia, it's one from the absolute top of the line nvidia in a freaking laptop. Now it does run at about 400 degrees Fahrenheit, yeah, but it's not something you want on your lap. And it's got gen engines for I mean shit. What is this?
Speaker 1:computer. So the computer I'm sitting on right now is fairly old, like this, is probably a 2018 laptop. Let me, where is Where's device manager? There's device's device manager. You see what graphics card is in this, because this was an expensive laptop. This was a dell xps that I'm on right now, um, and it was an expensive laptop at the time I.
Speaker 2:I've had dells anytime. I've ever worked for somebody that gives me a laptop. It's either a Mac or a Dell.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:I've never had an employer give me a ThinkPad.
Speaker 1:I have and I miss it.
Speaker 2:Like I used to rock.
Speaker 1:IBMs and Lenovos. Like for so long, I loved my ThinkPads like the old-school brick.
Speaker 2:ThinkPads. You just liked the little nipple in the middle I, I, actually I never used the nubbin.
Speaker 1:The nubbin was never my thing okay I, I hated the nubbin. I didn't mind it in the keyboard because it didn't really get in the way, but I effing loved my think pads because they just ran, ran, ran so yeah, this has an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 150 in it.
Speaker 2:So it's been a while. The worst thing about the nipple is that if you do use it, it starts getting dirty. Yeah, but you can take it off. You have to buy new ones.
Speaker 1:No, you can just wash them, you can totally wash them.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's basically made of a similar material to a pencil eraser, it's just more like a silicone, but sure.
Speaker 2:Well, whatever the point is, it starts getting dirty just off of your fingers touching it, yeah, yeah. And then you know you don't want to be showing it and that's why, when they first started, they were red and you could, boy, could you see the dirt on those really easily. And then they started offering darker colors like dark green and black, and that was much better. The last thing you want to do is be doing a presentation and you've got this grimy, dirty-looking nubbin right in the middle of your keyboard.
Speaker 1:That no one's going to see. Everyone's looking Come on, come on.
Speaker 2:Everybody looks at your computer keyboard Anyway.
Speaker 1:No, you know I miss and it's sad to me what has happened since IBM sold off the Lenovo brand and went to that Taiwanese company. They've just gone to junk, right. They're no different than an Acer or anything else.
Speaker 2:There are pads here that I think are some of the best.
Speaker 1:Uh, android pads you can buy right now, okay, that is coming along, but I'm talking about their laptops yeah, I haven't had a little like the only two to me, the only two serious laptop manufacturers left out there other than apple, which, I have to admit.
Speaker 2:Their hardware is great but their operating system sucks just donkey balls but dell and hp are the only two serious laptop manufacturers out there left yeah, I would agree that they're getting certainly the majority of the business contracts out there. Um, it really all depends on you know what the the leaders of the company like. That I found has more to do with what brand everybody uses than the actual cost savings.
Speaker 1:And I will also say that Microsoft, with their Surface lines, are doing some very innovative and cool stuff, but I wouldn't call that a serious business laptop.
Speaker 2:I have a Surface sitting right here, I love the form factor.
Speaker 1:I like it a lot. It's great, but it's not that IBM replacement machine I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:It's plastic, it's still plastic and it's not the hard plastic, actually, the surface is usually magnesium, but yeah. Is it right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the case, on the surface is magnesium.
Speaker 2:That's part of the reason why they're so expensive, but it's why they're so light, and it's why it's why they're so light and it's why it's a heat sink and they're definitely very light. I like the surfaces. I've never owned one, but I've always liked them. And, um, adam curry's always had a surface. I think he's upgraded it several times yeah, he.
Speaker 1:I think he uses the surface, goes what's which one's that uh, it's the lower end arm based one versus the. Or it may be a Celeron or whatever versus um the. You know like.
Speaker 2:Oh, he doesn't do any any real computing on it, he just uses for, you know, audio stuff and looking up websites. Um, shouldn't matter, but no, I've, I've liked them, I think they make decent stuff. So, yeah, babylon five, season two and a half right now. Yeah, so the war has started the war has started. Yeah, words started. How many stars do we have? You have five really four and a half okay four and a half.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, but the. So the war is not like the when he was talking about the great war right, he is not talking about the war between the narn and the centauris, like. Hopefully. That's very clear yeah, and hopefully you understand that, the people who are helping londo at this point and, by the way, people if you haven't watched battle on five and you don't want spoilers, sorry, this is a freaking 30 year old show.
Speaker 2:I'm going to talk about it somewhat freely.
Speaker 1:Gene is watching it, so I won't just spoil it for him, because I want him to enjoy it, but I want us to be able to talk about it yeah, and I've been aware of it.
Speaker 2:I, just like you know, I was actually busy working, making money and, uh, chasing chicks. Back in the day when it came out, I wasn't yeah, and I was a kid, so tv and you were a kid, so it made total sense yeah, so what do you think I was? Because I was watching.
Speaker 1:Uh, when I was a kid, I was watching um next generation oh, I was too, but in lost in space and lots of stuff.
Speaker 2:But I mean like brand new, when they would first run. Yeah, I was too, for not lost in space, but next generation uh yeah, when it started what like 85 uh 86 86, yeah, yeah, so the later seasons were what I started anyway.
Speaker 1:So what do you think of the shadows so far? What do you think of what's building? What do you think of delane's change? What do you think of all?
Speaker 2:of this I I'm still not sure I like the delane's change thing. I kind of got used to her being a young looking chick and now she's got like hair and everything yeah, now she's like attractive well, I wouldn't go that far, but she's certainly a lot more human. Um, I I like the chicks that blonde those people have. Like those are my style of chicks oh, yeah, yeah, especially like the dancers they're all dancers damn it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but the bald with the ponytail. But you know very yeah, proper. Yeah, yeah, they're uh and ivanova. You gotta love ivanova like. The more you watch, the more you love developing better as a character. I think yeah, yeah, which I'm kind of surprised you like her. She's jewish and I have dude. You're one of my best friends and you're jewish, it's okay. I'm not anti-jewish here, I mean, I know, but still anti-zionist maybe anti-jewish, no, anyway.
Speaker 2:No, she's a good character. I I think it took her as an actress a while to get into her character. I don't think it was just purely a didn't write any lines for her. I don't think she was really sure who the hell she was right, but by season two she knows like.
Speaker 1:So, for instance, you sent me a audio clip which is one of my favorite quotes you will listen to avanava. Avanava is always right. Avanava is god, and if you don't remember that, I will you know, kick you out of an airlock like she's just this angry redhead russian chick that's got a lot of gravitas behind her, yeah but she's not wrong yeah, exactly, exactly, she's she's. She's not some tyrant, she's, no, no, she's not someone who's being arbitrary here. She actually is right. They should have listened to her and you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly and and she is, you know, supportive of now two different uh bosses that she said well, she knew sheridan from before, right you that's caught, that, yeah, yeah like they served together and knew each other yeah, although I couldn't tell if if, like she was reporting to him or they were just two people in different command chains.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't think she was reporting to him, but they were under the same command, right Like yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 2:And then the first thing he does is promotes her as soon as he gets there.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, but but also part of the reason why she was a Lieutenant commander is because Sinclair, he, was a commander, so she couldn't be a commander too, because she was the second in command. So now Sheridan comes in as a captain and of course she would get promoted right, because there's room to do that now.
Speaker 2:Yep, although it is kind of ironic being the captain of a non-moving hunk of junk that's floating in space.
Speaker 1:Not a Commodore or what.
Speaker 2:Well, or just a, you know, a non-fleet rank person meaning like a.
Speaker 1:Oh, I disagree, he should absolutely be like fleet rank and, you know, like Commodore or better.
Speaker 2:I don't know, dude, who was in charge of an island.
Speaker 1:A Commodore or better.
Speaker 2:Was it a Commodore? I thought it was. Yeah, like in ranks.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, like so, for the Navy bases and things like that are often under admirals today.
Speaker 2:Right, right, but I mean like back 200, 300 years ago Historically, when England was expanding.
Speaker 1:Historically it would be so the civilian side would be under a governor. Oftentimes that would be a military governor, that would be a commodore general.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's more of what I'm thinking Like a governor instead of a commander or a captain, Like why don't they have a governor on that?
Speaker 1:It seems like the majority of the population on.
Speaker 2:it is not actually military rank, no, it's mainly civilian. The entire point of the station is diplomacy and commerce. Right right, you'll find out. Well, I'm looking up guam. Like who's in charge of guam right now?
Speaker 1:it's a well guam right now is an elected governor, that's very different, because it is a territory, so guam is not just a base. The island of guam is a US protectorate territory yeah, but this isn't the base either. Yeah it is.
Speaker 2:Well, not really. I mean, a military base is not going to have an 80% civilian population living in it.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Do you disagree?
Speaker 1:I mean historically. Yes. I mean historically. Yes, forts historically almost always housed a large civilian population until fairly recently. Because the soldiers would have their families there and they about it. A large percentage of like Fort Hood, a huge percentage of the Fort Hood population is non-military, either civilian contractor, worker or family.
Speaker 2:Okay, so for.
Speaker 1:Babylon 5… A quarter million aliens and humans. So we're considering that Babylon 5 station as a military base. So it has a military function, but it's not. So do you remember what happened to Babylon 4? Yeah, okay, what happened to Babylon 4?
Speaker 2:Well, it blew it up.
Speaker 1:No, it went back in time and then blew it up it up. No, it went back in time and then blew it up.
Speaker 2:No, it went back in time, watch how it was destroyed. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:no no, no, you didn't you, you're you, you have missed something and you need to go back then, because in season one, babylon 4 shows back up and they find zathras on there, yeah, and he mistakes and they figure it out and they and it's traveling through time and they're sending it back in time and I'll give you a spoiler to the first time. They fought the shadows and the, the war, and where valen comes from for the mimbari and all that, and I'm not going to spoil everything for you. But babylon 4 goes back in time to function as a military base.
Speaker 2:I thought it was just the people that went back in time, not the building no, no, no. Babylon 4 yeah, I know, but I didn't think the entire babylon 4 station traveled through.
Speaker 1:Time is my point okay, you will get more of it, but yes, babylon 4 goes back in time all right, well remember, you watched the shit four times. I'm just seeing it once okay, but I told you when you first started watching this that it was gonna, that you would need to re-watch it. But anyway, the point is it can function as a military base, that's all okay all right it's very well armed. Did you get when uh franklin's dad came through? Yeah, have you been there? Yeah, and digger and them uh, yes yeah, so they upgraded the weapon.
Speaker 1:So one of the things that you needed to catch in that episode is it wasn't just about what they were doing military expedition wise. There, a key point that is often overlooked is that he brought the latest and greatest weapons and upgraded their defense grid oh, I didn't, I didn't catch that yes, so babylon 5.
Speaker 1:During that episode. Part of what he came there and part of what his text came there to do was to give babylon 5 during that episode, part of what he came there and part of what his text came there to do was to give babylon 5 the best weapons they could, and they would be able to take on warships if needed. That is explicitly stated in that episode okay um, anyway, do. Should we talk about real war now?
Speaker 2:we, we could, we could. I mean we're halfway through the episode and people are like uh, they're geeking out.
Speaker 2:What are they talking about? Well, according to AI, the purpose of Babylon five I find when I long space station instructed by the earth alliance in 2257. And in the orbit of epsilon three, uh, primary purpose serves a neutral, diplomatic, trade and cultural exchange center where representatives from various species and human factions can meet in peace. I guess that could kind of fall into a 1790s, 1820s fort in US territories, pre-state territories, where it was also a cultural exchange center, not just a military operating fort.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, I could see that.
Speaker 2:I could see that.
Speaker 1:Anyway, it's a good show, though I'm glad you're liking it.
Speaker 2:It's worth watching. You know I like all science fiction, so I'm glad you finally pestered me enough to get on board and start watching it.
Speaker 1:What else we got uh well, bashar al-assad is no longer in syria oh yeah, that was last week.
Speaker 2:You left for russia pretty quick yeah, but I don't know that.
Speaker 1:We talked about it last week we probably didn't yeah and then uh what's her name is no longer at uh, the daily wire, and apparently they're going bankrupt, according to internet rumor according to internet room.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, that's, that's you know, what I think's funny is like they may not have renewed her contract and they may be picking and choosing. What they're doing on popularity of shows and things like that, because they're about to buy tim pool's outfit is what I think oh, that's been your whole theory is that they're about to do a with tim pool well, tim even came out and said I'm I I'm not gonna say a whole bunch, but I know enough.
Speaker 1:Like his analysis of, uh, brett cooper leaving the comment section and everything was very like oh yeah, well, I know what's going on there and the only way you know what's going on there is, if they're in talks, right right, right right.
Speaker 2:That's interesting um you know it's like I think tim's done.
Speaker 1:Running the business is what it's.
Speaker 2:I think so I'm I'm happy for that, because he sucks at it right. So it's good that he's just take the damn money and just do the stuff you enjoy doing and you're good at yeah, if he's not too arrogant to think his company's worth x amount because it's really not because of what he's done.
Speaker 1:He thinks his company's 100 million dollar company well, I mean, if he has 10, if he has a, if he has a 10 million dollar revenue, let's say his ebitda is 10 million dollars he's not getting 10x multiple on that, no fucking way. Well, okay, so me he may get, like uh, four multiple, but I have seen as high as a 30x multiple on investment, not on a media company dude.
Speaker 2:No, not on a media company on dude.
Speaker 1:No, not on a media company, on a technology company.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's a whole different thing. Technology can exist without the person that started it. Tim Pool's company is not worth shit without Tim Pool in it. I understand, but I can see him saying, oh yeah, it's definitely worth a 10x multiplier. Yeah, and if he thinks that, that just again proves my point that he doesn't really understand business, gene.
Speaker 1:We are in what I would call violent agreement, where we're saying the same thing. I agree with you that tim is wrong, but I can tell you that I can see where he would think this yeah, I'm sure we agree on what that means. Yeah, I know, I know I know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, you're right too here. Brett cooper did in the video say that she left the daily wire. So there you go, yeah but she's not gone.
Speaker 2:Gone because she's still starring in the pin dragon series and there's no white stuff, so she's yeah she's not like getting kicked at, like this was amicable, like I think there's a lot of rumor and bs out there, but that's okay yeah, and I mean, here's the thing part of her deal from day one and this is all from what I remember hearing uh, jeremy say part of her deal was that she is getting paid 160 000 a year. They are making way, way more money than that on that show, but she, when her contract is over, owns the property and she will be able to continue the comment section on her own and whether she does another contract with them for more money or whether she takes it and, you know, does her own thing, it is her show once the contract's over. But I think we've hit that point and most likely they she asks for probably 5 million a year or something crazy and they said, look, that's not realistic. And she said, okay, I'll just go do my own thing.
Speaker 1:But she's not her. Her producer is actually taking over the comment section right now.
Speaker 2:Really. Yeah, okay, and doing it there, so that's and this makes sense because she's been there three years and I remember her contract was a three-year contract.
Speaker 1:Right, but I don't. If she owned it and was going and doing her own thing, then yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but also she could be pregnant because she got married like a few months ago. Oh God, I mean, you knew she was married, right?
Speaker 1:I don't care. Well, I definitely wouldn't mind seeing her in something a little skimpier, if she is.
Speaker 2:If she is married.
Speaker 1:No, if she's pregnant.
Speaker 2:Oh, you want her in skimpier things. Oh, you like the pregnant look, I get it Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not opposed to that either.
Speaker 2:All right, no, I do. I think most guys do. I think like, uh, a chick who's barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen cooking meal for you is the most sexy thing, and especially when she's reaching something on the top shelf.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, everything needs to go on the top shelf it's exactly that pro marriage tip forks, uh spoons, everything's on top shelf right if we put everything up here. Oh, my god, uh, I don't know, baby, but let me help you with that now let me just reach right behind you here and oh, there we go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll just here. Why don't you get it? I'll just pick you up. Oh, there we go. Yeah, I'll just here. Why don't you get it, I'll just pick you up.
Speaker 1:Hey, while we're here.
Speaker 2:We're going to get an adult reading on the show here. Oh yeah yeah, but yeah she's. I think she's done a good job. She's been fun to look at for non-serious topics on the Daily Wire. I think it helped the Daily Wire gather a certain amount of younger viewers, so I think it was a win-win for both of them. Plus, she learned how to fish with absolutely with matt well, I'm I.
Speaker 2:I thought you're speaking metaphorically, but yes, oh, no, no, no, I mean well, probably that too, but I meant physically, like Matt Walsh took her out fishing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so just so before we wrap this up, you know the Daily Wire I don't think is hurting for money at all. I think they're probably a hundred million dollar revenue company, Like they are a billion dollar company.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think they have enough talent and the platform they developed and everything else, they easily will get a 10 X multiplier on their investment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and they're majority owned by a billionaire who can literally fund them through anything.
Speaker 1:Right, and but they're now worth over a billion dollars, is my point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Probably yeah.
Speaker 2:As a media conglomerate? They probably are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, look at what they have with Peterson. I think they own part of Peterson Academy, even what he's doing there and everything else. So what you heard, he's moving to the US. I did hear that. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2:If they allow him.
Speaker 1:But he already is.
Speaker 2:But I mean he's got a standing order to report for re-education in Canadian land.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he doesn't have to go back, Well he may have to.
Speaker 2:He already has a work visa.
Speaker 1:He can stay here, he can claim asylum.
Speaker 2:Canada doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US.
Speaker 1:Oh, please, let them try and extradite him for that.
Speaker 2:You don't think that Trudeau will extradite him? I don't know, man.
Speaker 1:I think Trudeau's about to lose his ass in the Canadian elections.
Speaker 2:I can't believe Trudeau didn't lose his ass during COVID. I mean that to me was the with canadia is the fact that they, they mean gay north dakota, gay north dakota. Put up, yes, the the great state of canada, where uh government?
Speaker 1:you know what we can make hey, here's the thing we can bring canada, all of canada, in as one state well, that's what the trump joke was well, and they will be. They will be our largest state, but not by, much only by land right, but by population wise probably california and texas and florida are right there with them. Yeah, yeah I mean, there's only 30 million people in all of canada, and not only that but of the 30 million people, 94 live within 20 miles of the us border yeah and think about that like edmonton there isn't a big city.
Speaker 2:That's the four percent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the furthest north city, right, yeah?
Speaker 2:otherwise anything further north and you got one guy per thousand square miles. Yeah, there's still some guys that live up there, and you know one woman per 500 000.
Speaker 1:There are no women, I can tell you, that's my point women up there yeah, it's like like alaska is, uh, I think, two to two to one, uh, male right. So I think it's more than that, I think it's like four to one.
Speaker 2:It's just crazy. Well, but people go to Alaska to make money, not to, you know, find women.
Speaker 1:Yeah, some people go up there to live, though too Sure, Not sure why.
Speaker 2:But either they bring their own women or they recognize the fact that they're probably not going to get one up in Alaska land.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that are. You know know, there's some bigamy going on, so a lot of gays up there, I hear no, that are.
Speaker 2:You're all sharing one woman, so you know if, if you're got a hundred guys sharing one woman, it's almost like you're kind of gay, you're entering an only fan shoot for 24 hours you heard about that poor girl. Right, I did. Poor girl made a lot of money. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:yeah, and she had a break. I mean, she's mentally ill dude like that. She's mentally ill that that that should not like I. I agree with people who said she should be potentially on suicide watch after that. And you know she's doubling down and she's gonna do a thousand in 24 hours is what she's going for you can't.
Speaker 2:That's physically impossible.
Speaker 1:You can't do that that's 1.44 minutes per guy, and if you assume that they're using all three, that's 4.4 minutes per guy yeah that, that's insane she will be dead well, but okay, now have you considered that?
Speaker 2:I don't even want to go there? But you know there's more than one way to have sex. Let's just put put it that way.
Speaker 1:That's what I just said.
Speaker 2:If they use all three, oh you did say that, okay, I wasn't going to use all three, it would be 4.4 minutes, so that's assuming three guys at once the entire time.
Speaker 1:No breaks, no nothing. Wow 4.4 minutes per guy.
Speaker 2:So we're both wrong on the Alaska population thing. Why that?
Speaker 1:nowhere near as bad as I thought. Has it changed Cause it used to be?
Speaker 2:that 47% female.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, that's changed.
Speaker 2:That's crazy, that's almost one-to-one.
Speaker 1:That's nice. All right Time to go to Alaska.
Speaker 2:I was like wait a minute, let's back up our bags here. Yeah, yeah, year, yeah yeah, that's shocking. I mean it's still obviously there are more than 50 women in the other lower 48, but you know no, but the type of woman who lives in alaska is generally going to be a different stock.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly exactly going north to alaska. Come on, the rush is on um you ever watch that uh north to the John Wayne movie. Oh my God, one of my favorites.
Speaker 2:You know what the next highest like what state has.
Speaker 1:The highest male population is going to be like North Dakota the highest male to female is Wyoming. Wyoming yeah, Okay, close enough In the continental 48. Yeah, yeah, North Dakota and South Dakota is going to be up there.
Speaker 2:Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota and Idaho are all about the same Yep. The how? About the other side? Which state has the most women to men? Connecticut? Okay, that's odd Because all the divorced women still own the house there and the men leave. But I'm up, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true. Hey, you got my. Uh you, you got the Jewish circumcision joke. I think you're right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and then uh, yeah, you're, you're definitely not. Uh, yeah, you're definitely not a.
Speaker 1:You're just going to skip over it. Go ahead, go ahead. Tell us, gene. You know why Jews are all circumcised? Why is that, ben? Because Jewish women can't resist anything. That's 10% off, yep.
Speaker 2:Exactly. It's actually a funny joke, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1:It's really good. Yeah, it's actually a funny joke, but uh, it's pretty good, it's really good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's definitely funny, uh, and then, uh, mississippi is the other state really in the south that has the most women to men damn, I ain't gonna mississippi I don't know what happens. I guess all the men get eaten by the the gators down there or what that.
Speaker 1:That'd be Louisiana, but sure.
Speaker 2:Uh well, there's gators in Mississippi in there, yeah, but not I mean you've got other than Biloxi, and you know some of that right there.
Speaker 1:The Mississippi and Alabama don't have a lot of coasts there, dude. No, it's not the coast.
Speaker 2:But no, I'm not talking about coast, but the Mississippi River runs between Louisiana and Mississippi. Yeahissippi has more mississippi river coastline than louisiana does, so do not the crocs like that kind of like wet, swampy kind of place?
Speaker 1:sure, but alligators, not crocodiles, for one second of all. It's just yeah, the the further north you go, the less you have, like we. We have alligators and the sabine, you know, we've got alligators, all over the place they've been. I've seen videos of them catching alligators in waco yeah, very few, though very, very, very, very few on the brazos river. I live on the brazos, so that's just, it's not the same it's not a pet gator.
Speaker 2:Put them. Put them in the bottom of the fishing boat. No, alligators are not cuddly creatures.
Speaker 1:It's a cool animal, dude. Yeah, until it gets big enough to eat you no, they're friendly.
Speaker 2:They're friendly animals. I have a bad reputation.
Speaker 1:No, they are a dumb lizard that does nothing but eat. It's like a shark. A shark is not a friendly animal. It's just a fish that swims and eats. That's all it does.
Speaker 2:Apparently, sharks are quite friendly. I've watched quite a few videos lately about sharks and they don't bother people at all, oh God. They are very inquisitive, they will come up to you to smell what's happening.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry you're falling for such propaganda.
Speaker 2:Propaganda. Yes, yes, I'm falling for the animal propaganda out there.
Speaker 1:The animal? Well, the environmentalist propaganda. But dude, tiger sharks have been found with literal suits of armor in their stomachs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's clearly the most tasty thing they could possibly eat, but the point is they just eat whatever is in front of them.
Speaker 1:No, that's just. That's clearly the most tasty thing they could possibly eat. But the point is they just eat whatever is in front of them.
Speaker 2:No, that's just that's the old wives' tale. They totally do not. That is just. That's the big news.
Speaker 1:As someone, who has seen sharks feeding frenzy in person and you know, I don't know, I've seen it and you saw that when.
Speaker 2:What in Idaho?
Speaker 1:No, in the Gulf Coast, when my dad was a shrimper and I grew up going on the boat.
Speaker 2:And you saw the sharks eating the shrimp.
Speaker 1:I saw the feeding frenzy. So when you're shrimping, you drag the nets. The nets come up, you dump it on the deck and then you start picking and sorting. Because guess what, when you drag a net, net you don't just catch shrimp, you catch everything. So you're then throwing stuff overboard. Well, what happens? The sharks learn this and they follow the boat, smart animals exactly right and as those fish hit the water, no blood, no nothing.
Speaker 1:There's a bunch of fish hitting the water at once. They get into this feeding frenzy and they will bite, eat anything that hits that water yeah, because there's a high probability that you got an edible thing there yes, but they're. They're not discriminatory, they're just eating, but regardless so other than you're bigoted against sharks, that's absolutely other than brett cooper and the daily wire. Yeah, uh, we actually have some real war stuff going on. So we have syria.
Speaker 2:Well, it's over now, right? I thought syria was uh now at least until trump gets in and the cia funding for it goes, goes away yeah, I mean I love the fact we've got the drones over new jersey that isis wins in syria and we're all rah, rah, yay go, fundamentalist muslim terrorist, yay not all of us, but yes the broad we as a country is uh saying that, but yeah, um, so yeah we do have drones over new jersey. I saw a video. It looked fairly benign to me.
Speaker 1:I don't know what people are all bitching about well, it's just the number of um number of uh reports. I think is what has everybody freaked out?
Speaker 2:but you know so I've heard it's just a uh, a us military supplier doing some tests possibly there is a test range right there yeah, that's to me seems to be the occam's razor kind of explanation. But also I've heard that the chinese are flying over us now and no one's doing anything about it. And then there's that fake video of a guy shooting at a drone which you're not gonna hit them obviously, and but also the.
Speaker 2:What I love is they. They put in the sound effects of a shotgun firing over a. Uh, what do you call those little plastic beads that you shoot each other with? Airsoft airsoft guns right. So you got an airsoft guy with an airsoft shooting at drones, and then on top of that slap down the sound effect of a shotgun.
Speaker 1:So it's interesting because if it is a foreign power like, I don't understand why the U S military would be allowing that. I think we would take action and stop it.
Speaker 2:But what's a foreign power? Is a Chinese tourist that flies a drone a foreign power?
Speaker 1:So a little hobbyist drone no, a drone the size of an SUV. You know what is this?
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's the size of an SUV. It didn't look that big to me well, that's what they're saying. I think they're don't know what the fuck they're talking about. What these things look like is Amazon drones, and if you've seen an Amazon drone, which you have, then you know the size of that drone.
Speaker 1:I think these are bigger than that. I don't think they are okay well, we don't know enough, but uh, I think it's interesting in the context of the broader world events. Yeah, and and it.
Speaker 2:And one last bit about this is just to point out that clearly the powers that be know that if you want to do a red herring, I'll look over here. Event all you got to do is just send some drones up and that'll completely change the focus of the entire country's media reporting yes, agreed, and did you see zolinski and trump's meeting? I did not no.
Speaker 1:I missed that. You didn't pay attention to that. Nope, okay.
Speaker 2:Didn't make it on my radar. What anything good? Well, it was off the books.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you know, Macron facilitated it, which I think is interesting.
Speaker 2:Wow, I think that's just trying to still be relevant in a post-Trump election, I think that's sorry, donald, we'll make it better.
Speaker 1:How can we make it better, donald?
Speaker 2:Don't put tariffs on the wine and cheese, Donald. I really hope that Trump doesn't capitulate to these European pansies that have been blowing his predecessor, you mean on Ukraine. On anything, on NATO, on any kind of fund, anything that costs us money. That shit needs to end. We need to stop giving money to all these countries.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think he will. I think you know this was a power move by him. If nothing else, to say hey, I'm going to have Macron, who's talked about sending troops to Ukraine, bring us in together. And Zelensky, you're done.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You're done. You'll listen. We're done here.
Speaker 2:I think at this point, the only thing Zelensielinski wants is to wants to bargain out to survive to live in his home in florida he's got a huge mansion in florida, dude yeah, but is he going to? Be, allowed well, I I think he is. You don't think he's going to be allowed into the us?
Speaker 1:I don't think so, believe me, I don't think he's gonna, be sure he's gonna live in florida I don't know. I think he is very likely to get told no, and if he shows up, um hey, where's those billions of dollars? Literally has no place to go other than okay, it's not my problem well again, I would love for you to be right.
Speaker 2:I don't think you will be right.
Speaker 1:I think that he will end up moving to the us the uk, france, it's the same, he's not safe in any of those countries well, that's okay, again, not my problem I again, I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 2:I would prefer those versions, but I don't think that's going to happen. I think people in the us realize that if he's not in the us, he will probably die in less than a year, and and, incidentally, not necessarily by russia either. Yeah, there are plenty of people that really need him.
Speaker 1:I already said I'm sold on this idea. You don't have to keep selling me like it's okay uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Well, we'll see, we'll see. I mean I, I would love to see that happen. I don't think it'll happen. I mean the first yeah, I just yeah, I don't know. I don't know, and I'm sure what he's telling trump is. Well, you know, I, I had already prepared and was willing to sign a uh surrender to russia back two years ago yes, but the man told me not to yeah that that that jerk from the uk came over and said hey, give me all your pens.
Speaker 2:You're not allowed to have pens in this country, and so I couldn't sign anything. But it was totally not my fault. I'm just doing what I'm being told the whole time, which is true I mean that part of it is true. He is being told what to do and that's what he's doing yeah, I don't think zielinski is a malign actor at all zielinski is a co-credicted actor, like most of them, and he will do what he's told, or else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he is a useful idiot, to use a Soviet phrase.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he has been useful in this particular instance by being sort of the playing the relentless leader character who cares so much for his people that he's going to conscript everybody until they're all dead yeah, he's going to kill an entire generation of ukrainians.
Speaker 1:I think I just find it very interesting that macron set that up and that trump and zelensky met at notre dame and that macron was supposed to meet with them separately and ended up meeting all three of them jointly well, I find that interesting, that is anthe-books meeting. That is not being reported very well.
Speaker 2:Notre Dame is where they have the black mass for the actual world leadership yeah, again you're.
Speaker 1:You're missing the point, but sure okay yeah, no, I'm not.
Speaker 2:I I think I get your point. I understand that. I think you think it's a power move by trump and I think it could be well.
Speaker 1:I think I think it's a power move regardless because he's he. He is meeting behind the scenes right now in a way that can be, that has plausible deniability, that he can't get screwed over by the Logan Act.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing that Macron and Zelensky consult Trump to try to trade in a nice retirement for Zelensky.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Say, how about? Literally on the day of your inauguration? This war is over.
Speaker 1:And I capitulate yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's pulling a, basically a reagan, with the hostages coming out of iran. Oh yeah, yeah, like, oh, look at that, he became president the first day war's over and done.
Speaker 2:Yep, so that is something they could trade. Or, alternatively, they could keep stretching the war out and losing at this point without the us financing. But, um, you know, trump's a negotiator. He's not going to say no just to be a dick. He's only going to say no if he sees something actually bad for the us out of it, and I don't see anything bad for us out of zelensky. You know, basically, signing a treaty or whatever, a ceasefirefire, whatever the hell the document is, but signing something, no, it will.
Speaker 1:At this point, At this point for this to end. I do not see a way for Russia to end it without actual recognition that the territory that they currently have, or some of it, or whatever portion, ukraine is going to have to say yes, yes, that is part of russia now they will agree to it yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2:I think that's going to be a key thing, because it also gives putin a political win from two things, one no more.
Speaker 1:No more. That's a good thing right and it prevents what is going on in north korea and south korea. Right, because it's just an armistice and neither side really recognizes the other. And this is 50 years fucking later. We cannot have that again. It has to be a capitulation of territory. It has to be a capitulation of the rationale.
Speaker 2:And you know the rationale for why Russia is fighting right now because, I think, for the most part, they took out all the Nazi regimes and stuff, but it's because they are still fighting on the territory of Donbass and the other two republics that have voted through their population to leave Ukraine and join Russia.
Speaker 1:Well, you know one of the things that just seems very interesting to me and that seems missed by the analysis on this over and over and over again, is you know, and I've even heard people in you know kind of our circles say, well, I, I just don't understand why putin didn't go in and just, you know, just finish it real quick. It's like, well, he's obviously trying not to like, if you look, yep, russia has literally just tried to take the territory that they say, you know, is where we've got genocide, we've got these things happening. We're just taking this territory. We are not advancing troops elsewhere, things, things like that, like, other than the first weeks of the war, where there was a faint that a lot of the Western media said was just this horrible campaign, they, they didn't even have gas and this stuff like, russia has not tried to attack Kiev other than some bombing campaigns, it's like, but they have not marched on Kiev.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:If they, if they wanted to do that, I certainly think they could, by the way, it's pronounced Kiev, but okay. It depends on who you're talking to. Kiev, Kiev.
Speaker 2:It's always been pronounced Kiev. It's just this.
Speaker 1:Kivi. Whatever I don't give a feevee.
Speaker 2:Kivi. The city of Kivi has not been attacked.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, I don't give a Phoebe. Phoebe. The city of Kiwi has not been attacked. Go ahead, I don't. Yeah, you know, like Moscow, you know, or Moscow, or Moscow, or whatever, it's literally none of those.
Speaker 2:It's Moscow All right, moscow, anyway.
Speaker 1:Moscow por favor, por favor, moscow, por favor, uh-huh. My point is though, you know, I, I, I think putin has not gone, and I'm not trying to be a putin apologist here at all, no, I'm just saying when you look at it, this is the bit.
Speaker 2:I think russia could have exerted more military force than they did, and they chose not to the bit that everyone keeps missing when they keep calling Putin a dictator and everything is Putin in Russia is a liberal.
Speaker 2:He is the guy that is in the way of the hardline conservatives who want to truly do what Putin is being accused of doing. Like there are a lot of people a good 30% of the population wants Russia to simply be the USSR in its old territories. In, frankly, even including communism, there's a large percentage of the population not leadership population that wants that. Putin has been the guy that is worried about his elections because there's a large number of people that don't think he's going far enough and to the west, they're like oh yeah, he's dictator, we get rid of him and free the russian people. You know what would happen if, if putin is out of there, your odds of an actual attack on the old eastern black countries just go up by a factor of 10, because to a lot of people there, what happened with the ussr was the fault of the leadership for not actually doing what they were supposed to be doing and instead just stealing money from people.
Speaker 2:But they're not wrong but they're not wrong but I think they also have to be realistic enough that look the way that putin is doing it, which is, hey guys, if you have a referendum and a majority of you votes to join us, then you can come back in is the only legitimate way to do it, and even that you still have to fight a war for to really prove your point.
Speaker 1:But like all the places from you, from uh uh, the Crimea to the Donbass and the other two that I keep forgetting, uh regions, they all literally have a majority of population that wants to be part of russia and not part of ukraine and you know, one of the things that bugs me is um, you know, tim pool sits there and says some stupid stuff about, well, you know, russia lost the soft power uh power argument because you know he had to invade to that that's not true, okay. Um, actually the us had lost soft power in, you know, the ukraine or ukraine. And when the us lost soft power, what did we do? We staged a coup. That that's that. And the military action that has happened is really, ultimately, when you look at it, in response, yeah, to the us's coup. And so when we say who started this? And we sit there and blame russia because they it's like a referee, you know, throwing a foul uh flag at someone who hit back right.
Speaker 2:Who pushes back? Yeah in hockey.
Speaker 1:Well, in football too, but regardless, it's oftentimes the responder who gets caught, not the person who initiated. It is my entire point.
Speaker 2:You're absolutely right and you know, if you look at it from the standpoint of people living in those regions, you know, if you look at it from the standpoint of people living in those regions, they finally got. They finally won an election. They got the leader. That was going to be more pro Russia and less anti Russia, because it's not really that. They were anti West. Everybody liked American goods, everybody likes European goods, everybody wants to trade. Everybody liked american goods, everybody likes european goods, everybody wants to trade. There was there was no anti-western sentiment, including in the eastern parts of ukraine there's no anti-western sentiment, as far as I can tell, in russia no, they're absolutely except hey, quit fucking with us at this point.
Speaker 1:You know that's a whole nother thing, uh.
Speaker 2:But well, except for that, you know, there is a percentage of population that that really thinks us as evil. But them aside, most people were happy to be Westernized, but they didn't want to have what is over a thousand year history of their country replaced by, you know, some bullshit, uhllywood versions of things. And so it's, it's a. Where I was going with this is that the, the people living in the eastern parts of ukraine, had been had gotten a leadership win, and that leadership was what was driven out by the cia run operation to have a color revolution in ukraine, and so that, like, hey, hold on, guys. We voted for a dude. He represents us now. You just kicked him out in a revolution. They consider themselves the legitimate side of the country that just got taken over by a Western funded revolutionary movement. It's like they are in this scenario. They are the Taiwan, and the color revolution government that was put in place into Ukraine is China. I was like, hold up here. And then they start getting attacked because they're not coming along with the program. You know, they started trying to first make changes politically. Then they got excluded from uh, uh, from their version of the um the I forget what it's called the I don't think it was called the Duma, but the equivalent of that so basically kicked out of any kind of political control.
Speaker 2:The policies that started getting implemented was like the Russian language is now banned. What are we in Quebec here Like? What do you mean? Russian language is banned. People here have been speaking Russian for literally a thousand years. Russian language has always been a language that people speak there. Ukrainian, you can argue, is a derivative of Russian, or Russian is a derivative of Ukrainian. They're both based on the same exact language, but Ukrainian clearly has a lot more Polish words in it. There's been a much more of an influence of poland on that side. Yeah, but that that's to be expected. That's just like here in texas wasn't a lot of polish city is, isn't what wasn't maria pole, a polish city.
Speaker 1:Uh, maria pole I know.
Speaker 2:No, that one isn't. Uh, no, that was absolutely 100% part of Poland. People there spoke Polish and probably also Russian, but you know they consider themselves Polish and that got reassigned to Ukraine during the communist days and I totally supported that. I'm like, yeah, that should be part of Poland. That should have been returned back to Poland.
Speaker 1:Not like anyone cares what I support but regardless, the point is there are moves about. I think it's going to be interesting to see what happens. I think it is very to me it is very comforting to know that Trump's at least engaging in these conversations because at the very least, hopefully, it forestalls World War III.
Speaker 2:Did you watch the video that I posted on X, probably about a week ago, of interviews with Russian snipers? Um, that, then the question being asked is what do you think of Trump being elected? And what'd they say? Well, there was some funny answers. So some of them were like, well, I mean, you know, it doesn't really. We don't really care what happens in the West. That was some people's attitude. A couple of the guys had great answers. They're like, well, yeah, no, this is a great thing because you know Trump works for us.
Speaker 1:So and the interviewer is like, what do you mean? Like, well, you've heard, you've heard on the use for, yeah, he's been, uh, you know, working with putin. For like, yeah, and like some some low-level grunt is gonna know this at all. Right, I know, but my point is catching the bait. It's called a sense of humor.
Speaker 2:It's like you're. You're fucking fighting in a war where you could potentially get killed any day and you still have the humor to make fun of a reporter asking you a question.
Speaker 1:Well, you either laugh or you cry, right?
Speaker 2:Right, exactly which, incidentally, is one thing that I liked that they brought to that character in Babylon five is they really are trying to make her be like a Russian Jew?
Speaker 1:Oh, and and that that just have you seen the rabbi come yet? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so that that just increases um like it, it's a really good. What do you think of uh did? Did you see the um agamemnon? The ship yeah yeah, yeah like did you get a good look at it though with the rotating?
Speaker 2:section and all that those ship designs are pretty cool I wish it was in better resolution quality. It was kind of the same lego looking quality, but, yeah, the actual design of the ship was much better. Resolution quality it was kind of the same lego looking quality, but, yeah, the actual design of the ship was much better. Um, however, it was still it. It still had fake gravity.
Speaker 1:It looked like it like no, no, no, because they've got a rotating section. That's where it worked they do have rotate.
Speaker 2:So you're saying the rest of the ship just has free float, correct? Okay? Well, that'd be fine, that'd be okay and that's the.
Speaker 1:That's the entire thing. Like the, the ship that um colonel franklin came in didn't have a rotating section and they were purely free float. Um, and if you look, it's got a hangar bay up front. So if you're looking at the kind of the ships of the line, they all have that front section, hangar bay that can launch and yada, yada, yada. But yeah, no, they are 100% in free float. If they are not rotating for Earth.
Speaker 2:That's fine. That's fine. I just don't like having spaceships have a horizontal floor, because they should either have what really is a vertical floor, to where the thrusters are providing the fake gravity, or they should have a floor that is curved, which is you have a through angular momentum. You're getting fake gravity, but you shouldn't have spaceships that look like the enterprise yeah. You shouldn't have spaceships that look like the Enterprise. Yeah, you shouldn't have spaceships that look like the Enterprise, correct.
Speaker 1:So there's the fandom Omega class link I sent you.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 1:Omega class destroyer.
Speaker 2:Oh, on fandom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I use fandom all the time.
Speaker 1:Every game, every game has all the details in fandom yeah, yeah, but anyway, no, the the rotating section is the only gravity.
Speaker 2:Right. Even that photo, you can kind of see it. What the lego looking like. It's just got different colored little square bricks that make up the ship yeah, I'm not looking that close, but sure I am.
Speaker 1:But the dude, the point is yes, okay, fine, I think you're looking at the uh, the side view there sure yeah, it's it it's the graphics quality. For those who are listening, who haven't looked at this, is probably on par with the cut scenes from the original halo so what you're saying is yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2:Halo did look very chunky like that. What you're saying is that me bitching about a 30-year-old TV show having a ship that only is made of 250,000 polygons, which is about what one single person would be made from in a modern game, which is probably also the limit of the computer technology at the time.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, yeah, it says here it's that which was considered a huge model for its time. Yeah, yeah, no, it's cool. It's cool looking. I. I didn't really nothing jumped out as being egregiously bad about it at all. I also like the what's the other race, the Mambari ships.
Speaker 1:The Mambari. Yeah Well, the Narn ships look pretty realistic, to me too. The Centauri ships look pretty realistic. Now, when you get to the more advanced races like the Vorlon and the Shadows, it's kind of like, okay, this is like purposely magical.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Right, right Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the shadow ones look like spiders, yeah, well there's a reason. Yeah, that's a cool show and I, I love the fact that. Uh, you know, I'm I'm basically playing in a video game, uh, where there is a high version of the exact same stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a lot of fans made models in the game.
Speaker 2:A lot of fans made models. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Like the game didn't come up with these designs.
Speaker 2:It's a 40-year-old game. The game precedes the TV show by over 10 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that doesn't mean the models did.
Speaker 2:Well, they got more complicated over years, of course. Oh, jesus Christ, it didn't just become Elite, it became Elite Dangerous.
Speaker 1:Jesus, Okay man.
Speaker 2:I'll have you know. You're talking to a level 5 Elite.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:I have rank baby.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh. What else you want to talk about? Gene?
Speaker 2:uh, what else is going on? Um, let me think uh, did you buy any more guns?
Speaker 1:uh on the advice of my attorney well you?
Speaker 2:you sent uh an x message with a, a picture of a, uh, a cartoon character uh-huh preventing another cartoon character or one that's like oh, I want to get that. And it's like you have enough guns and there's like a billion guns sitting in the right and he says but I don't have these, but I have that gun exactly, and I and I sent gene a message saying you're not doing a very good job of holding me back.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2:Hey, man, I'm trying and look, I went through this. What two years ago? Um, I was on the right when we first started doing the podcast, probably before it was called just a good old boys, when I was still just on sergine where every episode I was and you were. You asked me what'd you get? I'm like, well, here's what I got. And I was literally buying like a gun. I maybe not every week, but I was buying probably at least two, sometimes four guns a month.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did not buy a gun, but I did buy a um system.
Speaker 2:For which one?
Speaker 1:Really for my Dagger, which is a Glock clone. I thought you were going to say I got one for each. No, so I want to see how I like this, and if I were to get a chassis system for one of my SIGs, I would probably get the Flex Raider for my P320.
Speaker 2:That's probably what I would get.
Speaker 1:I'm very tempted to get the 365 one that's carryable and concealable, but I don't think it would be enough for me. So why go that?
Speaker 2:small, because it's cool If I could win the lottery, and literally dude. If I won the lottery, you know what the first thing I would do would be?
Speaker 1:uh, buy an ffl class one so you could have whatever you wanted, motherfucker you're getting as good as darren.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what I would do. That is literally what I was thinking. Yeah, not, not try. And you know, buy stuff to register.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:You start becoming a class one FFL so you can legally and for cheaper, like wholesale prices, be able to buy all the For law enforcement and everything else for demonstration purposes. Yeah, yeah, I don't care, I'll sell to law enforcement, that's whatever, but meanwhile I have to demo the things right. Sure, that would be the way. I mean, that's kind of what brandon did, in a way.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, you know we've talked about it before, but I've got some money, we could start a business.
Speaker 2:Dude and I've known guys back from. This would have been the late 90s. I knew, uh, two guys. One of them was doing this a very like he was actually making money.
Speaker 2:The other one just did it because he wanted cool guns but, both those guys in the late 90s had done all the paperwork and started class one and ffls and uh, it was like you know, especially if you do it as a partnership. So you're not on the hook for the whole damn thing and you've got a buddy that I remember I talked to when I was looking to buy some guns yeah, unfortunately he didn't have what I was looking for.
Speaker 2:He didn't have any divorce, but, uh, you know he's a partner in an ffl, right, yep, yep. So I think, like, clearly, that is a much bigger investment than plus. It requires a lot of fingerprint submissions than simply getting registered for buying a silencer or something, um, any any of the stamp items. Uh, with the atf, but the on the upside now you're literally like you could get something I've always thought would be awesome to have would be 90. Well, a p90 is one, um, although you can get a ps90 and then, you know, get a new short barrel and then file the paperwork and still have it yeah, but you cannot have a full auto you can't have a full auto.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah, because that was manufactured after the uh like like absolutely unconstitutional ban on possession of fully automatic.
Speaker 1:Which I think that's got to go away.
Speaker 2:It's got to go.
Speaker 1:I agree, it fucking has to go, and I don't If Brandon gets to be the ATF director. I think it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 2:I don't think it will happen. I don't know. It's a good way to scare people.
Speaker 1:What's interesting to me is that Trump has not said a word about the atf yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think brandon would do it frankly, but I don't know that brandon would ever be confirmed.
Speaker 1:I don't think he would get confirmed I don't think he has to be confirmed, especially if the intent is to destroy the agency.
Speaker 2:Put him in as a recess appointment you keep saying that I suspect that there's a nuclear option, that they've said that if you do a reset appointments, we will immediately including the republicans, because they're all fucking rhinos in the senate that, um, we'll go ahead and, uh, do what the last administration didn't and finish off your um. Uh, what do you call it when they kick him out of office?
Speaker 1:They would have to impeach him.
Speaker 2:Impeach him, yeah that's what I said, because in both times, the Senate is who prevented him from being impeached, from him actually being found guilty.
Speaker 1:Well, but the House would have to bring charges. There would have to be charges.
Speaker 2:Dude, you don't think there's 10 rhinos in the House that would do that there?
Speaker 1:would have to be charges. You don't think there's 10 rhinos in the house that would do that? So they have three charges. Then they have to try him and they have to convict him with two thirds majority.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think they probably can do that. There's enough people that hate him in the Senate. And I think that is the reason he's not going to do any appointments.
Speaker 1:I think he should call their bluff, because I think that would end up in civil war.
Speaker 2:I would love for that to happen, Cause you know me, I'm a big pro civil war guy. But me too but I just don't think it's going to happen. We'll see. If he manages to do a recess appointment and nothing like the other side does nothing, then he needs to take full full, like basically govern as though he's king I don't know about governance, though.
Speaker 2:He's king but what he needs to do is do a good faith effort to get some people through, and when they fuck with him, then just say fuck it, because I think right now the strategy he's using is these names are being floated that clearly would not be approved simply to shift the the sort of perceived starting point of the discussion, to move the overton window specifically for the house and senate and say, okay, well, look, uh, if you don't want mad gates in there, we'll get somebody else in there, but you better approve that person immediately or I will get Matt Gates in there. It's that kind of thing and it's more negotiated than yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1:I get it, but my, my entire point is I if the agency is going to be abolished or dismantled.
Speaker 2:Yeah, would love it to be. I don't think it will be.
Speaker 1:I think it could be like I can one, I can 100% see the scope. I don't know that it would just go away, but I can see the scope being shrunk to the point of it Not really mattering to the, to the average person, and I would like that. I think it would be good. I think it would be good, I think it'd be good for our world and our society. But I think we're going back to a place where, you know, I think we're heading back to an armed society. I really do, yeah.
Speaker 2:One way or another. Yeah, so, yep, I agree. Well, we'll see what happens. There's a couple of court cases right now that the supreme court has redressed back to a lower court dealing with um that that were challenges on constitutional basis for polato of being um unconstitutionally barred. Yeah, there's two cases like that right now, but the Supreme Court did not take up either one. They sent them both down. So we'll see what happens with those. The dissenting opinions in that, of course, were the usual suspects who said we should have taken these cases up. But also, I don't know how long Thomas is going to be in office.
Speaker 1:I think Thomas may retire during Trump's tenure yeah, and he really has to replace him, like I hope Thomas basically picks who he wants.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly because what I would he is by far the most pro-freedom traditional constitution interpretation of everybody on the supreme court right now yeah, agreed, you know we say this, but as we say this, we're just two good old boys.
Speaker 1:We're supposed to be racist man and here we are lauding.
Speaker 2:You know, I don't know why we're not joe biden so no, we're definitely not joe biden.
Speaker 1:No, you saw nancy broke her hip right.
Speaker 2:I heard she broke like this could be deadly to her at her age uh, I mean, do vampires really not heal well? But do vampires not heal well?
Speaker 1:Well, no, but anytime you have a major bone breakage like that it can be very traumatic to your system and cause issues.
Speaker 2:So if you're drinking the blood of infants, do you not heal? Well, I mean, I don't know, I have no idea.
Speaker 1:I suspect she would know Gene at Serginecom.
Speaker 2:Do you think she doesn't drink the blood of infants?
Speaker 1:I don't know, I have no visibility.
Speaker 2:As far as I know, everybody there does. Well, anyway, she broke her hip, so you know, it would certainly give her a nice out to not run.
Speaker 1:I think she's already running though, isn't she? But?
Speaker 2:she is running, but it'd be a good rationale for pulling out without it. Like it's a face-saving thing, right? Look, I would love to represent you people, but you know I'm old and I broke my fucking head. I have to take care of my uh health here. I I may only end up living to 105 well, I mean jesus christ.
Speaker 1:Don't say that. By the way, my uh, my parents had never seen the picture of her, and uh, jfk did you show him? Yes, and I'm like tell me, he did not fuck her he totally fucked her there's no two ways about it I.
Speaker 2:I saw that, the, the, the look on her face, it's the direction of their glances and the way their eyes are locked into each other. And she was what. 17 at the time.
Speaker 1:No, she was 20. She was 20.
Speaker 2:Oh, she's a little old for him, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but she, all right, I got to say it. I hate to say it. No, she looked my dad was shocked, but Nancy Pelosi was not bad looking.
Speaker 2:No, no, she looked like Audrey Hepburn, if people want to picture what she used to look like.
Speaker 1:And busty.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, like not a flat-chested Audrey Hepburn, no, no, she was absolutely his type, for sure her and maryland and you know the yeah I think there are probably a lot more than just her and maryland. There's probably about 30 or 40 women there in that four-year period but this is.
Speaker 1:You know, when I sit there and say to someone like my mom that, uh, john kennedy was not a good president, she sits there and wants to talk about oh, oh well, he was getting us out of this, he was doing this. I'm like no, no, no, what did he actually do?
Speaker 2:Right, he was a good orator.
Speaker 1:Well, but he's like the inverse, the antithesis of Trump. So Trump he blasters, he says all this stuff and then people say, oh, he's a horrible president. He just no. Look at what he actually did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, kennedy says all these great things and you know plans all this, but look what he actually did. Right so, but also, I think kennedy is the the example of what the liberals always considered to be the best, which is you want. You want somebody who will promise the world. That's what the liberals are always looking for. They want somebody to promise the world. They don't like people that don't promise the world, and so whether they deliver or not on that promise is like second or third or even 10th rate information. They want somebody that speaks. This is why Obama will get elected. It had nothing to do with what Obama was qualified to do. It had everything to do with what did Obama say?
Speaker 2:He basically was the black Kennedy, but it but bullshit.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing that bugs me about Obama when people say Obama is such a great orator. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's not. He stutters, he reads.
Speaker 2:He can read a teleprompter exactly but that does not make him a good orator well, I don't know that kennedy was a good orator either. I mean, his speeches were written. We know that right, but he's at least delivering it without a teleprompter okay, so he was better able to glance down on a sheet of paper on television that had a resolution of 240 lines, so you couldn't tell which direction he was looking. Fair, enough.
Speaker 1:Okay, there enough. But my point is barack obama could not function in a lincoln douglas style debate. No, absolutely.
Speaker 2:He did not have the intelligence or the. So you're now saying Lincoln was a great orator.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not. I'm saying Lincoln was at least a practiced lawyer who could speak and think. Now I disagree with Lincoln greatly. I don't like Lincoln. I actually think Douglas won those debates in a lot of ways, but that's neither here nor there. But the point is I don't think very like Trump could 100% do a Lincoln-Douglas style debate, absolutely. I don't think many other politicians could.
Speaker 2:Trump is not great either at this stuff. I think you're giving them too much credit if you think he is.
Speaker 1:Trump repeats everything, at least three times. Yeah.
Speaker 2:On a Joe Rogan three-hour podcast. He did about 45 minutes to an hour worth of content.
Speaker 1:Okay, which is more than most.
Speaker 2:That's fine. I'm just saying that there are people that are not in politics that are so much better at this shit than he is sure the thing that I like about trump. Is that what I like? A lot about him, frankly, but one of the things I like about him is that he actually says what he wants to say. He doesn't have a filter.
Speaker 2:I think that's a that's a huge plus in a person that you're giving power to because, the last thing you need is somebody that just is saying things you want to hear with zero intention of doing them, and that's what I feel the democrats mostly want. I agree so, but I I think for a lot of people barack was their kennedy. For people that were born way after kennedy was in the office, like barack, obama is as close as they're ever going to get to having a kennedy democrat type president candidate well, that's just sad.
Speaker 2:Gene, what you think newsom's gonna be, uh, any good at doing any kind of debates? Hell no, newsom sucks outside of him being inside of his echo chamber.
Speaker 1:I mean Newsom sucks, but we're not talking about his sexual activities here. We're trying to talk about his politics, dude.
Speaker 2:I am talking about his politics. You're always the one bringing in the junior high school humor into everything, which every other tweet I get from you dude, junior high school level humor.
Speaker 1:You know what, just because you don't have, you don't find pleasure in the simple things in life, gene. Okay, it can be funny Like that guy scaring his girlfriend, his girlfriend you know that was hilarious it's her pants. That was pretty funny yes, it's running down her leg.
Speaker 2:It's hilarious, but it's still junior, high school level. Humor. Did you laugh?
Speaker 1:uh, I smiled, I smiled, sure, uh-huh, uh-huh I mean, I need access to your cameras for verification of those things, because I think you're probably laughing just as hard as I am uh-huh, no, I, I'm and if you're not, then gene, who killed the joy in you like? Who killed the joy in you like? If you can't join me watch that and laugh your ass off at her unfortunate reaction.
Speaker 2:I don't know his way, I think I have so much joy in my life that like these things don't move me as much anymore well, that, that very well.
Speaker 1:Maybe it could be that I am stressed and to the point exactly.
Speaker 2:It is just a blessed relief, you know, just to take your mind off of everything yeah, exactly, but you know, call me out and belittle me for it, it's okay okay, I mean, you're asking for it.
Speaker 1:You also said this is this is why I think the problem this is why I think the problem lies with you and not me, because that was me sitting there saying this mockingly and facetiously trying to say yeah don't do that and yeah, no, I'm, I'm okay, I'm okay doing it.
Speaker 2:Are you sending me that video of the chick moving her chest?
Speaker 1:I found it mesmerizing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just didn't like all the tattoos she had.
Speaker 1:I wasn't looking at the tattoos.
Speaker 2:She's reasonably attractive face-wise, but she's got the big holes in her ears and she's got the tattoos.
Speaker 1:I'm not a fan of that I wasn't looking at her tattoos yeah, yeah so I think all of these you're focusing on the wrong things yeah, yeah, I sent the video of that mustang.
Speaker 2:You sent me to a buddy of mine that's into airplanes oh yeah, I do that that little mustang recreation. I hope that that was cool he says he's seen, uh, he's been at. Like he goes to all the airplane shows and stuff he's. He's seen that thing flying real and says this looks really fun yeah, this is a modern version of uh, the p51 mustang with a modern engine, though modern engine and carbon fiber yeah, the carbon fiber.
Speaker 2:A full plane made of carbon fiber. I mean I can't imagine that that's like under three million, yeah but it'd be cool? Yeah, because I I had a guy that I used to work for.
Speaker 1:And if you could arm it oh, that I did work for, that could be a useful thing.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, it would get shut down faster than a drone, I think Nah nah, nah, but it's cool looking Close in there. What.
Speaker 1:Not air to air, but air to ground. Oh yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know. It looked cool. I liked the idea. I liked the idea of recreating a classic with modern materials. That's always cool. And the thing weighs like I think they say it was the sixth the weight of an actual P-51 Mustang.
Speaker 1:Yep which gives it an insane amount of power to weight ratio yes, it's, it's acceleration and its performance envelope is drastically improved over the original p51.
Speaker 2:Obviously, the modern engine, modern materials yeah, did you watch the mc57 video?
Speaker 1:I did you mean the su 57, the su.
Speaker 2:I keep calling you in a minute. Yeah, you're right, it's the SU-57. Pretty cool, huh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it was a trainer. It's not a stealth aircraft.
Speaker 2:There's lots of things there, but it's a very maneuverable aircraft.
Speaker 1:There's no doubt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's insanely maneuverable. The video that I'm talking about. It was a voiceover watched videos by a guy that was in the Thunderbird or the Bluebirds, what are they called?
Speaker 1:Is it the?
Speaker 2:Bluebirds or Thunderbirds, blue Angels, blue Angels, that's the one. Yeah, so it was a pilot from the Blue Angels who's retired now, so he was watching the video and then giving his commentary on it and he looked pretty impressed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but here's the thing they are in a dogfight. Sure, very good, but the fact that they do not have any stealth capabilities and so on, tell me why a F-35 or f-60 couldn't stand off and just say, uh, fox one, um, I don't know like sure in a dog fight yeah, I'm sorry all I'm saying is the cool plane yeah, yeah, but you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like I can't just shoot it down with a missile this is way outside of my field of expertise, so I don't mind too, but I'm just asking a question are purely aesthetic yeah, well, if anyone in the audience has an idea of why you couldn't just stand off and go um, yeah, yeah, I can see you. Bye, bye.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I think you're also way over estimating or underestimating. I should say it's uh stealthing us, but um, I mean, I don't know we haven't seen any real ones, so we don't know.
Speaker 1:This was a trainer, it's not a trainer.
Speaker 2:It's not a trainer. You quit calling it a trainer. It's not a trainer, no it literally is a trainer. That's what that is, that's what was flying as a trainer. Oh my God, it is not a trainer. Go back and watch the video.
Speaker 1:That's literally what the guy said.
Speaker 2:It's not a trainer. What do you mean by trainer?
Speaker 1:Go watch your own video that you sent me again no, I I watched that video before I sent it to you maybe watching it on two actually missed it, but they they literally clearly say that it is a trainer, that is not a fully equipped version, that this is a version used at air shows and so on, because they do not want to risk destroying, because shit happens at air shows and so on, because they do not want to risk destroying, because shit happens at air shows a fully functional version.
Speaker 2:That it is a trainer, that it is a fully acrobatically capable version but it is not equivalent to the real deal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it has no weapons installed, so if that makes it a trainer, sure so if that makes it a trainer, sure it's also got different seat arrangements, different like we don't know if it's stealth capabilities are aligned with the real one. There's lots of things there like you don't let your enemy walk up at a public air show and see your top secret brand new jet.
Speaker 2:You just don't that new dude it was. It came out in 2011. It's like 15 years old at this point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know, and there's what? 20 of them.
Speaker 2:Well, we don't know how many there are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, there, okay, I mean, there's supposed to be producing 60 a year. We don't know how many. So is the Raptor program? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't know how many. So is the Raptor program. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So who the hell knows? There's something else. Oh, speaking of production numbers, did you see that article about the production by Oshkosh of electric mail delivery vehicles? No, yeah, so Oshkosh won the contract to electrify US mail. That's hilarious. That was about three or four years ago. Yeah, they were supposed to have by this year, by the end of this year, delivered the first 5,000 vehicles, which is really crappy numbers 5,000 in three years, that's how many.
Speaker 1:They've delivered.
Speaker 2:Two 37. See 5,003 years. Well, I mean, that's how many they've delivered. Two 37.
Speaker 1:See, like I said, two.
Speaker 2:That's like are you insane? And now I'm sure Trump is going to roll that program back and say no, no, no, no, you have to use Tesla trucks. I don't know about that, but I think he kind of owes Elon a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean, come on, are they?
Speaker 2:going to even be electric Tesla's at 436 now. Thank you, Okay.
Speaker 1:Bitcoin's at, you know 100,000.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Bitcoin's at 100,000. I care less about that than I do about Tesla stock. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't own any Tesla stock, you do.
Speaker 2:I do Absolutely any Tesla stock. You do, I do absolutely. So I'm very happy at this point.
Speaker 1:It's about 280% up this year. Okay, bitcoin is 100 and some odd percent up this year.
Speaker 2:It's not. It was at 50,000. It's at 100,000. Right now it's barely at 100%, okay, well.
Speaker 1:Well, it is well up over a hundred percent where I bought it, so well, how many years ago did you buy bitcoin?
Speaker 2:a while because, remember I I screwed up last year when I told csb not that I knew any of this, I'm just giving him my my hunch when he was worried that bitcoin had gone to, I think, 45 000 and uh, and I was like, oh don't worry, dude, it's going to be back down in the 30s as soon as january rolls around. And I was totally wrong. Like it basically sat at about 50k plus or minus 3 000 the entire year, yep, and then started going up to 60 and now it's at 103 000.
Speaker 1:Right now that's 100 000 yep yeah, so uh yeah, I think we. I think we don't know the floor and we don't know the ceiling at the. Well, we do know the floor.
Speaker 2:The floor is zero and that's where it will eventually go. The floor is zero and I'm not selling a single bitcoin until it hits a million piece yeah, well, we all make mistakes, so it may take a while.
Speaker 1:Well, just make sure I inherit your wallet. Yeah, right, because you know you'll be gone before it gets. There is my point.
Speaker 2:That's very likely. I mean, that's not even kidding, it's. It is quite likely that, but you know what gene I.
Speaker 1:I will be happy if I inherit your wallet to honor your decision not to sell it until until yeah, and then who's gonna get? Huh.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'll live long enough.
Speaker 1:I'll live long enough.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:I'm in relatively good health and inflation rates being what they are, it's quite possible. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:It'll be a million, but a typical grocery for a week will be $1,000.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, exactly. I mean shit, dude. Can we talk about? Inflation for a week will be a thousand dollars. Oh yeah, exactly, you know, I mean shit, dude.
Speaker 2:We're are we talking about inflation?
Speaker 1:let's talk about it real briefly yeah, we really should, but I mean dude groceries, everything christmas right going and doing christmas shopping for the kids and everybody.
Speaker 2:It is shocking bucks I'm sorry, the christmas gooses are over a hundred bucks.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:The Christmas goose is over a hundred bucks.
Speaker 1:Well, just looking at presents though, right? Uh, because my son, he was born on Christmas day, so it's Christmas and his birthday sucks for him. Yeah, my daughter was born, you know, first part of January, so we got to get Christmas. And and then my, you know my stepdaughter. Uh, her birthday is on the 30th, 31st, yeah, 30th, yeah of december.
Speaker 2:Yes, jesus, what the hell is wrong with your?
Speaker 1:wife, I don't know, and my stepson is november, so they're all november december, january oh that sucks, yeah, so it's an expensive time of year yeah, I bet.
Speaker 2:But grocery wise, I had my most expensive grocery order ever last week. Uh-huh yeah, $260. For one month, or one month? For one week? Worth of groceries for one person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, mine's not quite that bad, but you know, for one person that's the difference. Here we spend more in absolute terms, obviously yeah so you know person, I I'll do an order, lindsey will do an order.
Speaker 2:All this we go back and forth um, it's not like I bought freaking caviar or anything. There's nothing exotic in that order it was no fucking bread dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bread bread's through the roof.
Speaker 1:Eggs, basic stuff, hamburger, all this through their fresh fruit and veggies everything is crazy high right now, absolutely but the the point is, you know, we, we spend five, six hundred bucks on the two little kids and toys and stuff. And you put it in a pile and you look at it and it's like this is depressing, yeah, but how much do you spend? Right? It's like okay, well, you know they, they can learn to do with less, because I'm not increasing my budget because money buys less. Like I, I can't do that for something that is not a necessity, when the necessities have to get covered and I, I make enough. That you know, yes, I could, but I think it's a. They're young enough and everybody needs to just learn that. Yeah, inflation sucks. Don't vote for that shit, help me fight against it.
Speaker 1:Oh, you thought Kamala would be good. Well, you know, see what Biden did. There you go. Yeah, Merry Christmas. Yeah, that was true, that is true. We're going to teach you a lesson, whether you like it or not.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, the world has a way of teaching everybody a lesson every now and then.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And on that fun note, let's wrap her up.
Speaker 1:All right, gene. Well, we'll talk to you next week, but you know we really need to do a little bit of a get together and go to the range.
Speaker 2:Well, that, and then you know'll, we'll kind of give you guys a little more of an official thank you coming closer to christmas itself, but we definitely want to say a big thank you, heartfelt, from both of us, for people that are supporting the show via our um buzzsprout contribution I mean, you know I was looking.
Speaker 1:We have over two people who are subscribed through buzz sprout that have been subscribed for a year well over two people.
Speaker 2:That's good.
Speaker 1:But I mean we've got, we've got a decent, not like certainly right, but I'm saying for a full year that people have sat there and stuck with us and you know the highs, lows, everything else, and people come, people go and now they may have people doing one offoff, well appreciated nonetheless yeah, but my point is I I really it's, it's very good feedback, helps us take care of things, helps us to do it, and you know it's um, it's very nice to that.
Speaker 1:You know those of you who do help us support the show, uh, appreciate us, and you know, even those who just engage with us regularly on twitter or through whatever means that you engage us, it's, it's, it's valuable feedback, so we appreciate it yeah, because otherwise we'd just be doing this talking to each other on signal and not recording it.
Speaker 2:Yes, but this way you all get to participate and those of you that can afford to and can help us pay for all the tools and stuff that we use in order to make this podcast. That's really where all the money goes. I we've never once taken any money out of that. It all just goes into a, a bucket, to pay for the tools and utilities and whatnot Indeed. All right, we'll see you next week. See you, gene.
