Speaker 1: 0:25

Hey Ben, how are you today? I'm alright, Gene. I'm a little tired, a little worn out, a little rough around the edges and uh, yeah, last night's game that was uh, aggies blew a three-touchdown lead and it didn't get over till 1.30 in the morning here.

Speaker 3: 0:45

So that's the game they had out in Vegas. Yeah, yeah see see I know my sports.

Speaker 1: 0:53

Okay, sports ball's great uh-huh, uh-huh anyway, I'm a little, uh, I'm a little tired at this point.

Speaker 3: 1:02

But that's awesome yes all right, well, not you. I mean, you're not even at the school anymore, but you know what I mean. All right, well, not you. I mean, you're not even at the school anymore, but you know what I mean yeah, yeah, well, but you won uh or somebody won a different game you were excited about earlier. What was that game?

Speaker 1: 1:21

I can't remember what you're talking about.

Speaker 3: 1:23

Well, there's uh like yesterday when we were talking, some team you were all excited and happy about that won earlier in the day.

Speaker 1: 1:34

Oh, I wasn't all excited or anything, it was just nice to watch Arkansas beat Texas Tech. Oh, okay, well, it sounded excited. Yeah, just no one likes Texas Tech.

Speaker 3: 1:49

Oh, okay, they have a football. Now they're from what? North Texas somewhere? Lubbock, that's the place. Yeah, that's north.

Speaker 1: 2:03

Sure, I guess most of Texas is north of you.

Speaker 3: 2:09

It's north of you as well, isn't? It Lubbock's north of Dallas.

Speaker 1: 2:19

You're thinking of Amarillo?

Speaker 3: 2:21

Oh, I am thinking of Amarillo, you're right.

Speaker 1: 2:27

That's funny, yeah, I guess.

Speaker 3: 2:27

Lubbock is south there.

Speaker 1: 2:32

It's just west dude. Yeah, it's in that nebulous west region over there it's.

Speaker 3: 2:36

I still north of me technically, but yeah, I said I was thinking of emerald.

Speaker 1: 2:42

They don't have a team or for anything today uh, I'm sure they have a small college but not a university. Yeah, yeah, one of my buddies that I did a podcast with years ago went to Texas Tech.

Speaker 3: 3:02

He was a Raider, huh. No, he's a sales guy. No, the Red Raiders. I know I'm walking into that joke. Yeah, okay, I'm going to test my mute button. All right, go for it. We can't hear a damn thing. Good, it worked. Yeah, you got a new button christmas. Well, I heard it that.

Speaker 1: 3:26

Well, because I didn't push it fast enough. But yes. I did. I got a stream deck that I'm still setting up and so far, on Windows and everything, it works great.

Speaker 3: 3:39

You are talking very, very not loudly as well. Just FYI.

Speaker 1: 3:51

Okay, how's this?

Speaker 3: 3:52

That's better. Yeah, Were you just further away from the mic.

Speaker 1: 3:57

No, now I'm close-miking it and I am making sure I'm enunciating a little bit. Like I said, I'm a little tired, but whatever.

Speaker 3: 4:06

Yeah, I'm pretty damn tired too. I was up watching that damn TV show you got me into.

Speaker 1: 4:12

Okay. What season are you in? You're in season four. What episode? I'm almost done with season four, oh shit, so you've really gone down the rabbit hole.

Speaker 3: 4:22

I'm 18 or something, yeah yeah, so it's definitely worth watching. I like where the storyline's going and I see what you mean by some of the stuff. It's like oh wait, you'll see where that leads to. I still think it's overly like. I don't know when I started watching this.

Speaker 3: 4:51

I thought that the lawns character and yeah, yeah, whatever, and her whole race. Um, what are they? The thargans or something? The mimbari? That's the one like they were the good guys, but the more I watched, the more I realized that's definitely not the case. How is?

Speaker 1: 5:10

it not the case and I wouldn't say they're good or bad. I would definitely say they're not good.

Speaker 3: 5:17

How are?

Speaker 1: 5:17

they bad.

Speaker 3: 5:28

Well, first of all, they are the typical sort of overly concerned with tradition and ritual and neglect conservatives and neglectful of actual, um things that that leads to like finding out and this is obviously you've seen it, so I don't have to worry about uh yeah, you're not gonna spoil stuff for me, but the bitch started the war okay, so you, you got to that point, I'm past that point.

Speaker 1: 5:56

Yeah, and she didn't start the war necessarily. She, the gray council, which was the ruling body of the mimbari, were torn and she was young and her, uh, she, literally said kill them all, yeah, yeah yeah, there was a there after they were attacked unprovoked. There was that whole thing provoked attack how did they provoke the attack?

Speaker 3: 6:23

by coming in with guns aimed at the earth reports opened but not charged. It was a cultural misunderstanding is the whole thing she was even told that are you sure you want to do that? Because maybe we should talk to them. And she said kill them all right.

Speaker 1: 6:40

It was an emotional response and that's the depth of character that you have, and this is what's good about the show.

Speaker 3: 6:46

Yeah, that Nimbari women don't belong in politics, I know.

Speaker 1: 6:52

Hey, I told you there was some relevant information for our time.

Speaker 3: 6:56

Uh-huh. Yes, very relevant, but she's just not a likable character. When she's on board the Babylon 5, she's just like a wallflower. All she does is follows around. Captain, what's his face? Sure? And yeah, I'm horrible with names, so I think everybody knows that by now. It takes like multiple iterations for me to remember somebody's name, okay, um. So yeah, she's just like a wallflower, walking around behind them wearing a dress, and then you know the revelation that she has got human DNA in her. Ooh, that was a lightning strike.

Speaker 1: 7:43

Yeah, we're under a tornado watch again.

Speaker 3: 7:46

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 7:47

I mean we can use the rain.

Speaker 3: 7:48

Rain just don't really like the lightning. But, um, the fact that she's got like secret human dna because turns out the guy that set up the great council uh, a guy who's revered in the mumbari culture and he was part of the war thousand years ago turns out that she's related to him and he was a human.

Speaker 1: 8:13

And this just comes out now yes, yeah yeah, it just comes out because you had, you know who valen was. You. You get who valen was right, because that was sinclair who went back in time.

Speaker 3: 8:26

This is the whole thing no, no, I didn't get that Well, thanks for the spoiler. How did you not?

Speaker 1: 8:31

get that? I don't know, I didn't get it, you're way past that. So when Babylon 4 went back in time, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Sinclair went through the same cocoon process that D'Lynn did, which was part of why she went through the transformation to set this up. So he went through the same process in reverse a Mimbari not born of Mimbari, and he became Valen and he was their great leader in the past.

Speaker 3: 9:00

Oh, I guess that makes sense, because they did send the station back to defend the planet. Okay, so he was in there.

Speaker 1: 9:08

I don't know it, just I think you're watching it too fast and you're missing too many details it feels like not very well put together is what it feels like I I don't think anyone has ever said that about babylon 5 because it's like from a story, like like you can argue on okay, set design or whatever you know budget, but the story is very consistent and there aren't a lot of plot holes because it's thought out well, in advance, it's, it's too opry.

Speaker 3: 9:43

It's too much of like it's a space opera, but with too much opera and then no space. That's what I feel. There's some really good characters like Ivanova.

Speaker 1: 9:58

She's good, ivanova is great.

Speaker 3: 10:05

They have great dialogue for her and the actress, who is not Russian whatsoever, does a good job of playing a character who has got Russian stereotypical tendencies. I was going to say Ghirardelli, but Ghirbaldi is good Ghirardelli.

Speaker 1: 10:22

He's a chocolate now he is a chocolate.

Speaker 3: 10:25

Well, that's his ancestor right From the future. He came back, started making Jack on San Francisco I think that character is well-written and well-played. I agree, the Captain, captain Mike, not very well-acted Captain Mike.

Speaker 1: 10:43

I don't you mean John Sheridan.

Speaker 3: 10:45

Yeah, exactly that guy.

Speaker 1: 10:48

Jesus Christ, captain Mike, he's exactly that guy, jesus yeah.

Speaker 3: 10:49

Mike, he's not very well acted. I don't think he's all that well written. He is the in a lot of ways. For me he comes off like William Shatner in Star Trek Over the top acting, but not just the acting right. It's not just that Shatner overacted, it's that the way the character was written was as in, oh my god, like everyone's rolling their eyes at the way that he talks and the way that he acts because it's over the top and the ghirardelli character is actually making fun of that or pointing that out.

Speaker 3: 11:28

It's like, yeah, he's got a god complex. He thinks he he went and died and got resurrected and that you know now he's buying which he did fine, doesn't matter. But like now, he's buying his own story.

Speaker 1: 11:41

You know like he's believing that he's special yeah, well, so garibaldi and you and you bitched about that episode to me not long ago, where he was kidnapped. Garibaldi's current behavior is because of the brainwashing he took underneath that. Yeah, you mean like?

Speaker 3: 12:03

he got realistic all of a sudden. Yeah, sure, yeah, I get it. So, uh, he's not a sympathetic character to me and and he's their character, like certain characters in every story become sympathetic, like even if they're doing stuff that isn't necessarily above the law or isn't necessarily good, or like they're, you know, pirates or something, there's a way to make them sympathetic, like they have certain very redeemable qualities, and I think that's where they were going with Londo. Like Londo.

Speaker 3: 12:48

Londo's story isn't over yet okay good, uh so, but he's well played and well written. He's been missing for the last few episodes, um, ever since they came back to uh uh, to the uh battle on five station. But, like in that character, a lot of stuff that makes sense.

Speaker 3: 13:11

The more the show's gone on, the less likable I find captain mike to be okay so just to end the law, I've never really found all that like the lynn, whatever he's. Um, she is responsible both for starting the war and for torturing her current lover during the war.

Speaker 1: 13:42

I mean, it's like how was she torturing her current?

Speaker 3: 13:46

it's in the first few episodes where no, no, no what go ahead well when they first introduce him and how he attacked and then was sucked into the uh, their spaceship with a tractor beam yeah, you're, you're coming, you're, you're thinking of sinclair, who is not her lover who is the one?

Speaker 3: 14:05

time oh and he was the one who became valen. Fine. Well, so claire she tortured, so claire, who cares? She tortured somebody, she's not a likable character. She's a complex character it's not well to be complex. You have to have a lot of different qualities.

Speaker 1: 14:23

I mostly use negative ones for her, and she's a, quite frankly, a sweet, loving woman.

Speaker 3: 14:30

That is the kind of woman you would want by your side the kind of woman that you'd be crazy because she's gonna be a nightmare in a divorce.

Speaker 1: 14:38

No way no, thank you. The kind of woman you're not ever gonna get divorced I'm gonna take the lesbian.

Speaker 3: 14:44

Thank you very much, oh, I would. I would take a lot of in a heartbeat too, yeah, agreed I mean pretty much every character on that show has tried to every male character at least yeah, and unfortunately not her type not her type exactly.

Speaker 1: 15:01

Uh, and then I I kind of like the um the redhead telepath chick uh, lita, yeah, yeah, and you know what her, her, her character, so she's been there from the very beginning, yeah, and well, she's gone for two seasons. But yeah, well, and you know a lot of people think, oh well, that's just, uh, that's. You know they, they rewrote some of the characters. Well, no, they were.

Speaker 3: 15:30

That was kind of planned yeah, that was planned, so it's like you can tell.

Speaker 1: 15:35

You can tell what characters were fully planned out from the beginning and not because they have the same actors playing them throughout yeah, yeah, and there's only one actor that they couldn't get to come back and do the role that she was supposed to do, and that was the actress that played Sheridan's wife in I think it was season two on some sort of recording. Like she had a very minor role and then she was supposed to come back for the more major role in season into season three Beginning of season four.

Speaker 3: 16:07

It's got to be interesting to audition for a show knowing that it's gonna be a couple years, okay, so we love you, we want to hurry, like you're gonna be in one episode and then the next two years you're not on, but then after that you come back for like if the show's still running, you come back for more. It's like, jesus, that's gotta be. Like. If you're the actor, you gotta be thinking yeah, I'm, I'm gonna do one episode, that's all this is ever gonna be and.

Speaker 1: 16:35

But all of them signed up to do this knowing that they would be coming back and stuff, or a lot of them, that they'd be, coming back and did it with the only exception I can think of where they changed characters was Sheridan's wife.

Speaker 3: 16:52

Sheridan's wife, yeah, although I mean they brought back a pretty damn famous actress to play her.

Speaker 1: 17:01

Who? I didn't know that she was famous.

Speaker 3: 17:04

Oh yeah, yeah, she was the little girl in the Little House on the Prairie, which was a very popular show in the 70s, with Michael Lennon being her father. Little.

Speaker 1: 17:16

House on the Prairie yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 17:19

So yeah, what's the actress's name? I'm trying to remember her name, but yeah, she was. You know, she was probably one of the highest net worth actors that they had on that show by the time that she did the guest spot Like she was financially set from Little House Array.

Speaker 1: 17:44

Interesting.

Speaker 3: 17:45

Yeah. So I thought it was like you know, obviously she's not a kid in that show. I think she was probably in her right 30s. I would think 30s, yeah, late 30s, maybe even but early 40s but she was. I don't think she would have been in the early 40s because little houses in the 70s.

Speaker 1: 18:02

Yeah, yeah, because here. Here's why, if she's about the same age as sheridan who who, when he goes to Zahidun, I don't mean she was playing a 40-year-old- character.

Speaker 3: 18:12

I'm just thinking how old was the actress, not the character, because she was a teenager in the 70s, so it would have been like 20-something in the 80s, 30-something in the 90s. Sure, math, yeah math, but she may have been playing a 40 something character. How old is sheridan supposed?

Speaker 1: 18:35

to be, he's in his. So when he goes to zaha doom, he's in his. He's in his late 40s because, and when he comes back, after he dies lorian gives him 20 some odd years of life he says I'll be in my 60s, yeah and he says I'll be in my late 60s by then so that's so, but I don't think the actor was that old, though was he uh, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 19:00

He was born in 56, so that yeah same as my dad, so he would have been in his uh 40s yeah I guess he would have been.

Speaker 3: 19:08

Yeah well, good makeup then. Because he looks younger, I will say he does not look like a rough around the edges military dude in his 40s. Okay, incidentally, um, it is raining, cats and dogs and lightning, so there is a possibility the UPS may kick in at some point and make a loud chirping noise. And if it does we'll pause and then restart once power's back. But hopefully I'll keep my fingers crossed. None of that happens, but just heads up.

Speaker 1: 19:43

You should live in a neighborhood with underground power.

Speaker 3: 19:47

With what power?

Speaker 1: 19:49

Underground power.

Speaker 3: 19:49

I do have underground power. With what power underground power? Um, I do have underground power. However, the feed from the station obviously is that well, that isn't.

Speaker 1: 20:01

It shouldn't be underground and a lot of people just anyway, yeah yeah, I don't know man.

Speaker 3: 20:08

Yeah, you're just getting hit with a little line right now.

Speaker 1: 20:13

A little what? Just a little storm loud.

Speaker 3: 20:16

Oh, you looked it up. Okay, I'm just going by what I can hear and the fact that it's kind of dark outside.

Speaker 1: 20:22

I don't know, man, I think it's a good show. It's a show I really enjoyed for most of my life, so I've watched it multiple times. I'll probably watch it multiple times more before I'm over and done so you know whatever.

Speaker 3: 20:40

No, it's worth watching. Like I said, I don't want to make it sound like this crappy show Don't watch it. No, it's definitely worth watching. I would say even more complaints about, like star trek, next generation, which I watched, you know, when I was live, when I was first came out there. There's, especially in season one, there's tons of stuff to bitch about and how they uh they were deviating from the original canon which we all remember at least those of us that were watching Next Generation live were comparing it to the original Star Trek, obviously, and don't even get me started on Deep Space Nine, which is a total pile of hot you-know-what.

Speaker 1: 21:29

So this show is definitely better than all of those, because Deep Space Nine has some good redeeming qualities. Yeah, you just like the Jewish characters in that show. Sure Funny considering how I've been called an anti-Semite.

Speaker 3: 21:51

Well, clearly you know they look funny, so that would be par for the course. Look at those funny looking jews buying and selling shit. Oh, jesus, and I do tell me you've never said that.

Speaker 1: 21:58

Come on no, I haven't ever said that.

Speaker 3: 22:01

Okay, nope, sorry, all right so yeah, I mean obviously I'm gonna watch it till the end. Uh, overall, like show, it's got some good characters that always have good lines um, yeah, and I I think that there will be like, for instance now, I think, when you get to season five.

Speaker 1: 22:26

It's gonna a little like season five, I think. Once some certain things change, you can largely just skip, but yes, there are some made for TV movies that came out as well, and some of them are really worth watching that expand the story really worth watching. That expand the story um. The sci-fi channel did a spin-off that was, uh, all about the rangers.

Speaker 3: 22:55

That just wasn't very good by the way, one of my least favorite characters is the british guy. That totally does not belong there it's, it's the most annoying fucking character. I would have shot him myself if I was there, I swear to God. Super annoying and he's a typical. He's like a typical latent homosexual British guy and acting that has the hots for Ivanova. Well, of course, you know, because he needs a beard and acting like he's some hot shit, which he clearly is not. The biggest proficiency is memorizing Shakespeare lines.

Speaker 1: 23:37

Not actual fighting, pretty good fighter.

Speaker 3: 23:39

Definitely not a good fighter. Have you seen him, jesus Christ? No, so I don't understand why they brought that character in. They had too many Brits in general. What the fuck is all the British accents they got?

Speaker 1: 23:55

It's retarded, there's no way All the British accents.

Speaker 3: 23:59

There's no way in hell that people living on Mars are going to have a British accent. They're going to have Texas accents. We know this historically and by watching the Expanse. We know this historically and by watching the expanse, we know this for a fact, watching or reading, yes, yes, reading the expanse, sure, but I think a lot of people watched first and then read the books. But um, I I just uh, he's a throwaway character as far as I'm concerned he's not especially when he was on the trip to mars with the doctor dude who's a?

Speaker 3: 24:34

who's a probably the best actual actor on that show, like in terms of acting ability. Uh, he's consistently for four seasons just provided. Provided the most believable realistic acting of any of the actors on that show.

Speaker 1: 24:52

Okay, um well, I'm glad you're enjoying it somewhat and have plenty to complain about somewhat yeah, yeah, I mean, I personally really enjoy the show and, uh, I think that there's a lot to the show. I think that there's a lot to the show. I think that there's a lot that you're going to get into.

Speaker 3: 25:17

How many science fiction conventions have you gone to to get autographs from these people?

Speaker 1: 25:22

Zero.

Speaker 3: 25:23

Really, I figured you would have gotten some, because you like to show so much.

Speaker 1: 25:28

I've gone to zero science fiction conventions in my life. Holy shit, really yeah.

Speaker 3: 25:35

Wow, that's. That's a small number. Why, I don't know. I just haven't ever.

Speaker 1: 25:45

Okay, I just haven't ever done it. Hmm, okay. It's just not ever been a something that I've been like, oh I just I gotta go do this. It's just not a, not a thing like I'm a fan, I like stuff. I, yeah, would not complain at all to get you know a William Shatner autograph or something like that, but you know $145. Okay, cool.

Speaker 3: 26:23

Shatner, at least the last one I went to. That's about what the price was. Shatner is the most expensive autographs usually.

Speaker 1: 26:32

You're missing the point.

Speaker 3: 26:35

What you said, you hadn't gone to any. So I mean, I get it. I'm not sure that there's a point. The point is.

Speaker 1: 26:47

I wouldn't mind doing that, but I've never made a effort to go and do that?

Speaker 3: 26:52

yeah, um, I don't think. Well, I guess I did go to a couple in austin here, but I I went to a few of them when I lived in dallas as well, um, but I've gone to sci-fi conventions, uh, which used to be mostly for books with a little bit of movies, and then they've kind of morphed into a lot more tv and movies and the book portion of it has drastically shrank in most of them, um, but I've been going to them since probably 84.

Speaker 1: 27:36

Okay, Cool, anyway, now that we've spent 30 minutes on that.

Speaker 3: 27:42

Yeah, should we talk about political stuff, or what do you want to talk about? We got some new music as well, that we're going to be Well, you guys heard a little bit of it at the front of the episode, but we're going to have the full song and you're posting another episode with more music in it because you've gone to.

Speaker 1: 28:01

Gene has decided he's going to be a music producer now.

Speaker 3: 28:05

I figured that'd be an appropriate thing for me to do. Music producer. Now I figured that'd be an appropriate thing for me to do. I've got a good understanding of how to take other people's words and music and package them up. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you like them. Everything I've sent to you you've liked.

Speaker 1: 28:28

I do. I think that for the most, most part, that is pretty good. In fact, I helped you come up with some of the content for it yeah, yeah, yeah, you sent me a link.

Speaker 3: 28:40

I appreciate that, um, and then I found a bunch more sources for that stuff afterwards as well. So there's certainly potential for tons and tons of this music. And what I mean by this music is, uh, and when I asked, ben was like hey, do you know any like civil war, southern poetry books or anything?

Speaker 3: 29:02

that'd be the kind of thing I figured you'd have and so you sent me a link and I I started looking through it and sure enough, there's quite a bit of it and some pretty good stuff as well, which makes sense, because if something is going to survive 150 years, it's probably going to be pretty darn good for people to keep copying it over and over.

Speaker 1: 29:25

Yeah for the most part.

Speaker 3: 29:26

I think the bad poetry probably died out early on.

Speaker 1: 29:29

Yeah, stuff's not perfect right um nothing ever is, but that's okay.

Speaker 3: 29:35

Um you know, I think it's useful uh, yeah, and there's some stuff like that and and uh, you know, a lot of poetry turns into some really nice songs, um, so we'll have more of that stuff, um, and I'm I'm gonna try and make uh youtube videos of all of it as well. So then just get a playlist and that way I can just include a single link in the show notes to the playlist of all the music and then something that other people I know that I've done this kind of stuff they've uh also put them on apple and on uh spotify and whatever else. People listen to music too, so we'll have multiple options for that. But it's kind of fun, like I. I actually had a good time. Shit, how long were we sitting there talking while I was cranking out these songs? Probably like three hours.

Speaker 1: 30:34

I don't know Something like that, Something like that.

Speaker 3: 30:36

So you know I wouldn't be doing it for three hours if it wasn't fun.

Speaker 1: 30:45

For fun and profit right.

Speaker 3: 30:48

Well, I don't expect to make any money off it. But if I do make some money off it, then that's good. But I'm certainly not expecting that. I, as I told you even though it sounds like I'm kidding, but I'm literally not kidding for me to monetize that youtube channel, the sergine youtube channel, um, I would need 3 million views of the videos on there, of basically the song videos, which 3 million is not a small number.

Speaker 1: 31:21

No, it is not a small number, it's quite significant actually. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 31:28

And I just don't understand, like why are you trying to be bothered to be monetized? And, by the way, speaking of YouTube, it's a goal. I do have a gripe I need to get out off my chest. Okay, so you know, CSB, you asked Gene who you had a spat with and blocked, and blocked you and all this stuff to you know. Go subscribe to your youtube channel and I subscribe to his channel. He subscribed, but he didn't fucking ask me what the hell. Oh, I'm so, I'm snubbed now like okay how did you piss him off, man?

Speaker 3: 32:05

I don't know what'd you do, you had man, I don't know What'd you do. You had to do something. I don't know, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Anyway, no, yeah. In fact, I'll give him a free plug. So go check out CSB's new music channel, where he's going to be posting videos of music that he creates as well.

Speaker 1: 32:27

Expect animated butts.

Speaker 3: 32:33

Sure, you know it's got animation stuff. It's what he's known for. And uh, csb. I assume you have a link to that channel from your csblol. Well, if he doesn't, he should. If you don't, you should, because the csblol is the easiest address to remember. Uh, giving somebody the address to the uh youtube channel works fine if you're texting them, but it's not going to be something you're going to remember if, if you're just told verbally. So make sure you put a link to it if you don't already have one from csblol. So there you go. There's this free plug.

Speaker 1: 33:13

Yeah. So what's with the paid for profiles for the stream deck? I don't understand why I would want to pay for a profile.

Speaker 3: 33:24

Profile you mean functions, or what do you mean by profile?

Speaker 1: 33:28

Well, they're technically profiles. So, yes, they have some functions in them, they have some plugins, they have all sorts of stuff yeah, there's.

Speaker 3: 33:36

There's tons of both free and paid plugins to it. Um, there are. I think there's some like button sets that you can get for different programs. Uh, I would never pay for that shit, but you know I I guess some people want to have cute looking, particular icons they're willing to pay for, I mean you can go get an icon pack, yeah something, but you can also make your own icons. Yeah, it's pretty easy on the stream Deck just to make your own income.

Speaker 1: 34:09

I'm going to try and mute in Zoom with this, but yeah, go ahead. Anyway, I'm just playing around with it and learning, yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 34:20

No, I love my Stream Decks. I think I've gotten very used to them and I've used them for everything, like I've got my Tesla stock quotes on on my stream deck, so they're always updated. I've got bitcoin on my stream deck uh, I've got the current weather on the stream deck. I've got, uh, utc time on there. Um, I've got multiple timers set up on the stream deck that I can use. It's it's showing my current cpu usage. I'm actually using it for a lot of like monitoring of data in small little square buttons.

Speaker 3: 34:55

Um, I also have the one with knobs which I use to control the different mixes the microphone mix, the game sound mix, the uh, uh, the monitor mix, all that stuff and switch between headphones and and speakers. Um, I also use the stream deck for automatically positioning windows on different monitors. That's some functionality I've got in there. There's a ton of stuff and it's all free and, like I've never paid for any of the stream Deck stuff. There's just a ton of free plugins that you can use and, of course, you know the main use is for doing things in either streaming software or video editing software, or like a mute button. Like you said, you're using a cough button, whatever you want to call it, or cough button, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 1: 35:49

Well, the main use case I wanted it for is for Zoom, that we're on right now, our teams having a physical set of controls there. So, especially when I'm on, you know I have a bunch of screens up and maybe I don't want to have to fight, or even on multiple monitors, I don't want to have to fight, or even on multiple monitors.

Speaker 1: 36:10

I have to fight to get to the appropriate window to turn off a camera or to call or to do whatever I need to do, and just having that there is going to be useful. Yeah, it is. Now I just have to fight with fucking Python because people love Python. Yeah, I'm not a fan of that. No, python is the new Java.

Speaker 3: 36:34

It really is Uh-huh, uh-huh and there's way too much garbage code out there for Python that is now getting compiled. Yes, that's my takeaway, because a lot of the video gaming supporting apps people are doing in python and you look at it, it's like this is a full-blown app with gui and database access and all kinds of shit, and you're doing it in python like really well, but it's it's.

Speaker 1: 37:02

It's the universal language.

Speaker 3: 37:04

Yeah just so what universal language it's again, like you said, it's the java, it's new java. The same fucking arguments for java, which was always problematic and never liked stuff written java. I mean, if you're writing some back-end system for your company, who cares? Right, if you want it to be universal, but you cannot do a good gui on java, you just can't. And Python has a lot of similar issues because basically you're using somebody else's library for the GUI and most of them are not particularly good. Unless you're actually good at writing your own GUI in any language and knowing how to have appropriate size buttons and everything else.

Speaker 1: 37:49

Most GUIs for stuff in Python is just everything square well, and it's, it's, I mean it's, so it's very much visual basic. Ask right it looks like most Python based programs, look like my first VB program. That's about it. Yep, which fine. I mean there are people doing stuff in it that is useful and cool.

Speaker 3: 38:16

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 38:16

The problem is it's a pain in the ass to get going and working the way you know. I want it to go and work, but's me call me crazy yeah, yeah, I agree, and it.

Speaker 3: 38:35

It really is one of those things that kind of went like while I'm watching it went from a essentially doing the same stuff that pearl was doing to people starting to treat it like it's a real language and not just a quick hack throw together thing. And now, with the, a lot of the compile apps are just like they're. They're written in Python and it's. It's horrible. I really wish they weren't.

Speaker 1: 39:03

Yeah Well, so the stream deck app, for you know, for Linux, is of course in Python.

Speaker 3: 39:14

Is it?

Speaker 1: 39:14

really, oh Jesus, that's sad. So that's what I'm dealing with. Well, it's not an actual Stream Deck supported thing. It's an open source project that someone's doing. Oh, okay. But it's.

Speaker 3: 39:28

Wait, so you're doing your Zoom zoom meetings in linux. I have, yeah huh okay, yeah, so it.

Speaker 1: 39:37

Yeah, I'm. I'm working on this, getting the stream deck set up for linux. Right now I'm using it on windows. I've used it on my work computer on mac. Uh, works fine both places there.

Speaker 3: 39:48

And it's portable.

Speaker 1: 39:51

You should get the Moto set up in the office. Yeah, I've tried and I will tackle that. I will try and revisit that after I either replace the monitor on my laptop or get a new laptop.

Speaker 3: 40:03

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, you're trying to get a new laptop. So it was so funny too when you were texting about that and I was like I should try this, try that. And you're like, well, here's the specs for what I want. And I'm reading your specs, I'm like huh, that's literally the laptop that I bought six months ago.

Speaker 1: 40:21

Yeah, well, you know, and you're like you don't need all that.

Speaker 3: 40:25

No, you totally don't need that you totally underestimate the number of vms and shit that I do, but okay yeah, vms, don't need a high-end graphics processor no, that I want for, uh, you know maybe gaming, but yeah, hey, if it gets you to actually play a little bit of elite, and I'm all for it. It's okay, I tell you watching. I sent you a couple of videos yesterday too, um yeah, honestly, I was, did not watching the game. I know you didn't watch but you should because the guy did an amazing job.

Speaker 3: 41:01

I was blown away at the quality of uh rendering and modeling that he did for the universe well, at least for the galaxy um because I've got a few software products for the universe yeah, yeah, I've got a few software products that that have, uh, that capability, but I'm pretty sure his stuff is extremely customized. I've never seen anybody presented the way he had okay, so well, I'll go watch it.

Speaker 1: 41:30

It's quite impressive. I know that there were some things in the spin gravity one that were a little off, but nothing major other than to be pedantic.

Speaker 3: 41:42

Oh well, I'm curious, because I watched that as well and I thought, well, I actually left pedantic comments myself on that video. So okay, I yeah, yeah, I, I get that, but um, uh, but actually all the comments on that video, if you read the comments are pedantic I can imagine that's pretty nerdy too it's a pretty nerdy video.

Speaker 2: 42:05

To begin with, it is exactly anyway, back to the laptop.

Speaker 1: 42:08

Um, yeah, yeah, I want some specs like the graphics card. You're right, I could probably not worry about having an nvidia or discrete gpu, yeah, but there's some advantages to having a gpu from a processing standpoint. Uh and everything else, so I would like a discrete gpu certainly for any kind of.

Speaker 3: 42:28

If you want to run your own models of AI shit, that's very handy to have a GPU.

Speaker 1: 42:34

Well, but I'm wanting the Core i9, not the 9 Ultra processor because it has better overall computing performance and. I'm not really interested in doing any of the specialized AI shit that it's focused on Okay. So, but I still want a gpu yeah that said. Um, anyway, you know, when you get 64 gigs of ram plus a i9 processor a few terabytes of storage. A discrete graphics card yeah, and you want it, not in a brick-shaped package?

Speaker 3: 43:08

yeah, uh, that gets expensive oh, it does, it does um, and the reason that, like the one I sent you, the one that I got uh linked to, is um, I've never had a gigabyte gigabyte yeah, and this is my second gigabyte laptop, and the first one still works from like eight and a half years ago.

Speaker 3: 43:30

Uh, it's uh. Obviously spec wise it's pretty crappy compared to modern machines, but this thing was good. You know, it's a had all the stuff done list i9, 64 gigs ram, four terabytes storage, uh, and a 4080 Nvidia card, which is just one from the absolute top that they make currently.

Speaker 1: 43:52

Yeah, they make a 5000 series, not yet Laptop card. Yeah, they do, nope.

Speaker 3: 43:59

Dell has them. They may be selling them.

Speaker 3: 44:02

They're not out yet okay, it's pre-configured and ready to ship, but okay I don't know about that, we'll see, um, but definitely, yeah, the 5000 is coming, but the 4000 has been here for a while. But my point is they, the four, every series they've ever had goes from like 50, 60 up to 90, yeah, and and so that they've historically always just ramped up. The first number and then the second two numbers are, is the level of the card compared to other cars in that same series. And usually, like a 60 series of this generation is going to give you similar performance to what the 70 series did of the previous generation, or even a little bit faster, plus a bunch of other advantages that may or may not directly relate to the speed of the frames per second in the video game.

Speaker 3: 45:00

But, uh, yeah, the, the 5,000 series, the the 50 90 is going to be around $2,000 for just a video card. Yeah, so that's going to make a $2,000 for just a video card. Yeah, so that's going to make a very expensive desktop and, um, uh, laptop. I know, but I'm talking about myself, cause I'm planning on building a desktop with a 50 90. Why are you planning on doing that? Cause my current desktop is, uh, three years old now.

Speaker 1: 45:29

Oh God, heaven forbid, three years old usually go so like on my uh, on my laptops, because I get a pretty high spec machine. I usually go about five years, yeah uh, and it's a pain in the ass for me to switch laptops which I'm not at five years yet on my current laptop. But I'm at a point where you know, do I spend several hundred dollars fixing an issue with the monitor or do I get a new?

Speaker 3: 46:02

life.

Speaker 1: 46:02

Yeah, like this is a good excuse to actually upgrade I don't know if it's a good excuse, but it's an excuse yeah, all right it's.

Speaker 3: 46:09

That's pretty good. It's not a cheap fix to get the monitor swapped out.

Speaker 1: 46:37

Right, so anyway, we'll figure it out, but I think now that we're an hour in, we should definitely talk about some politics.

Speaker 3: 46:46

Okay. I've only got one topic, that's political. Go for it. What the hell is going on with all these mega people dumping on ramaswami?

Speaker 1: 47:00

I haven't seen any mega people dumping on well, you're not on x, apparently, because x.

Speaker 3: 47:05

I am on x I well then when did this start Two, three days ago and now I don't read your posts. So, apparently and I posted a lot on this topic on X, because I think it's retarded, frankly but apparently Ramaswamy Okay, actually, I think it started with Musk Either Ramaswamy or Musk but they both essentially said that america does not have a sufficient number of highly skilled workers and we have to revise our h1b program to let more people in. And, holy cow, did this get an outrage like you? Foreigners ought to go back. I knew you were fake MAGA. Fuck all of you. I mean, musk is getting ratioed on his own platform Like people that are saying negative stuff on him are getting three to four times the number of likes of people that are liking his posts. Ramaswamy is basically, the people are posted he just killed. He just shot himself in the foot and killed any possibility of ever running for office in the future.

Speaker 1: 48:24

Because I don't think so.

Speaker 3: 48:26

I don't think so either, but there's a large contingent of these folks out there. Laura Loomer seems to be the leader of this group.

Speaker 1: 48:35

Yeah well, laura Loomer is nuts.

Speaker 3: 48:38

She's literally certifiable.

Speaker 1: 48:40

Well, what it comes down to is okay. I don't think H-1B is a great way to do it, because I think the H-1B visas are actually crap. I've known people who've worked on H-1Bs and you're essentially an indentured servant.

Speaker 2: 49:01

You're not, because if you ever leave a job, you really are?

Speaker 3: 49:05

You're really not. I've both hired and fired H-1Bs, like hundreds of them.

Speaker 1: 49:09

Yeah, and if they didn't have another job lined up, they leave the country they don't.

Speaker 3: 49:14

They all stay. They all end up staying. There's all kinds of um extensions that they can get it. It sounds like like if you literally do nothing and you show up on h1b to a company and you don't want to get a lawyer and you don't want to do anything, when that job ends, yes, you're supposed to leave. Nobody ever does that. It never, ever happens. They all find a way to get an extension to find a job in an h1b for another company and tons of companies are willing to do it, which is insane, by the way, because the cost per applications and the legal fees and getting h1bs is you're putting in like 10 to 15 000 per person for each one of these people way cheaper and they don't work any cheaper, which is the other part about it.

Speaker 1: 50:05

That's a misnomer. They don't.

Speaker 3: 50:07

They really do significantly they really don't, because what you're not thinking about is the fact that they're getting pay increases along with everybody else. No. H-1bs have the exact same HR policies applied to them as everybody else. They do they absolutely do?

Speaker 1: 50:24

They don't because they're all contractors. Ask your H-1B person.

Speaker 3: 50:29

They are contractors. Yes, they are contractors, but they still have to be treated with the exact same. All the what's the department, department of it's the racial profiling department? They have to. It's not. I'm not here's. Let me finish the argument and then we get back to the h1b details here. So elon has said this and then, um, not quite as black and white worded. Also was said by Ramaswamy, okay, and you know that Ramaswamy was born in Ohio.

Speaker 3: 51:22

Yeah, I know that he was born in Ohio but it sure seems like an awful lot of people have voted for Trump. Don't realize he was born in Ohio. They think he came from India, realize he was born in ohio. They think he came from india and there's a there's a very racially based I don't know how else to describe it of backlash against him for wanting to have a bunch of indians stealing white people's jobs.

Speaker 1: 51:53

I think it's, it's pretty damn disgusting insane view and, yeah, what I would say is look h1b, there's a lot of issues with it. I don't like h1b.

Speaker 3: 52:05

I don't like a lot of the um and I've got a fix for h1, by the way I'll mention that are used.

Speaker 1: 52:12

I think they are slave labor. I think there are uh cheap people who come over and I don't think they get the promotions and things that you seem to think that they get at least not in my experience in corporate america and what I would say is um, okay, so we bring over cheap labor and everything else that that can be okay.

Speaker 1: 52:39

I'm okay with brain draining other countries, but let's, you know, let's make damn sure that any h1bs are for uh, you know, they're literally supposed to be be for jobs that you cannot find an American to fill the role, and that is bullshit and has never been real.

Speaker 1: 52:59

And that's why a lot of Americans get real pissed off about the H-1B program is because literally I've watched people, especially in IT, where they're getting fired. They're getting laid off due to a reduction in force, and then the h1b person comes in behind them and they have to train their replacement. Yeah, and it's like, how is this legal?

Speaker 3: 53:21

well that I don't see why it would be illegal. I mean, trading your replacement is kind of a standard part of every job I think having someone brought over on a visa to replace you as problematic yeah, yeah, yeah, but that you're absolutely right now.

Speaker 3: 53:36

This is very typical of corporate america. Um, so many, many years ago now, um, I built the security department for, uh, ameriprice financial and, um, you know, I brought in like four guys that were US and then was told that all the rest of the people you bring in have to come from. I can't remember the name of the company anymore, but there's a huge large companies who specialize in providing H1B workforces. Yep, hcl is one of them of them. Okay, and that wasn't that one, but there's a few of them that they're us based companies that are actually owned by indian mega companies.

Speaker 3: 54:27

Um, but what they do is they just underbid any US contractors and then bring in H-1Bs that work for them, not even the company. So not only are they contractors, but they're not direct contractors, so they're very easy to replace. But also, just because they're easy to replace doesn't mean that the people that are here on h1bs are genuinely going to leave, because, in almost every single instance where I've gotten rid of h1b people, not because of they're even necessarily h1bs, just because they're crappy workers and I wanted to get rid of them and they happen to be on h1b people um, you know they all give you the sob story or you know you're literally like sentencing me to go and leave the country and my family depends on me making money and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah whatever.

Speaker 3: 55:19

And every single one of them ultimately ends up and some of them very quickly, like in a matter of days finding another company willing to take over their sponsorship. Another company willing to take over their sponsorship, Like I don't think there may have been a couple that have actually gone back to India, but almost every other one ends up very quickly finding someone else, because there are plenty of companies willing to do that.

Speaker 1: 55:46

Here's my solution.

Speaker 3: 55:47

Let me, let me offer this I think that it.

Speaker 1: 55:50

I think that fluctuates and it's and and you know, when you're looking for a job and anyone who's looked for a job fairly recently, especially on a higher end sort of scale. It's not a trivial thing to go find a good job and when you add yet another condition to that it becomes even harder still but you knew all of that coming in like you were willing to totally you're hey you're a foreigner here and you are, you should feel, extremely lucky and yeah, be nothing but grateful for what you're doing and getting.

Speaker 3: 56:25

I agree you go work in saudi arabia or qatar, someplace you're getting, which is an alternative for a lot of the indians and it is not a pleasant one.

Speaker 1: 56:33

I completely agree. You look at the way people are treated in UAE or anywhere else. They are less than second class citizens.

Speaker 3: 56:43

Completely agree Our foreign workforce is treated better than any other country I've seen on Earth Let me give you the solution that I think would work, and it's a very simple one. Okay, h-1bs were created, as you mentioned, specifically to allow companies to hire offshore for positions that could not be filled in the US. So, we've done our due diligence. We've posted a job ad for three months.

Speaker 1: 57:15

Position has gone unfilled At a ridiculously low salary? Yes.

Speaker 3: 57:20

Yeah, positions got unfilled. Now we need to go reach out overseas. So my solution to this is simply say that as part of the H-1B, so put this into law is what I would do. Say that as part of the h1b, so put this into law is what I would do. Or uh, um, yeah, probably law, more so than uh than just an executive order um is say that all h1b positions have to be for a salary that is a minimum of 10 above the salary of a comparable position, meaning you can only hire someone if you genuinely can't find somebody in the U S, if there, if there's, let's say you're looking for a very specific type of uh uh developer, a Fortran developer. Right, they're all dead, they all retired. Most of them are dead. Now you can't find Fortran people. You've been posting for it for three months for $280,000 and you get applications from college students that clearly don't know any Fortran. Okay, in that scenario, I'm perfectly okay with you going outside of the country, but you know that you're not doing it to save money.

Speaker 1: 58:34

You're doing it because you can't find anybody here, period yeah, that's what h1bs were meant for yeah, no, I think what you do is you have, first of all, I'm fine with having a visa program and bringing people into work um, I think you post a job and you continue to raise the salary until you find someone for it, if you really need it or not.

Speaker 1: 59:01

And what it comes down to is okay. Well, I want to expand my search because now we're getting to the here's the way it should be. Here's the way it should be. We're getting to the point, on salary, where it would be cheaper to relocate someone internationally potentially that can do this job than to continue to raise the salary. So I'm going to post internationally. Hey, I found someone. Us government, I'm bringing this person over. Please issue a visa. If visa issued, they come over and it not be so damn tied to that, Like I, I think, just going through the general visa process, versus a H1B and everything else. I, you know, an H1B is a type of visa, yes, I understand, but it's a more permanent one.

Speaker 1: 59:50

So you, you want going through the citizenship program and everything else.

Speaker 3: 59:55

Okay, so what's your proposal? I'm lost then.

Speaker 1: 59:57

Okay, my entire thought process is if someone is willing to sponsor you, they ought to be willing to sponsor you for citizenship.

Speaker 3: 1:00:06

essentially, Ooh, that does sound like contained servitude. What if you bring them over and they suck? You gotta fire them okay what do you do? You fire them okay, and you think that's not as good as what we currently have?

Speaker 1: 1:00:27

I think that it should be. I think if we're inviting people over here to work, we shouldn't be very eager to kick them out because we've invited them over here. I think we should limit the number of people we're inviting over here. I think that we should reduce the proclivity of companies to go overseas for talent instead of developing talent here.

Speaker 3: 1:00:54

Um, but I think that's a money thing, and that's why I say the fix to this in my mind is that make each one be is what it was meant to be, which is a way like if if you don't have enough doctors in a particular area and you know people maybe aren't willing to relocate to bumfuck oklahoma and be a doctor there, like in that scenario, you say, okay, we're going to open up internationally, we're going to do an h1b. People that have gone to medical school and got their license overseas can now come and be in bumfuck Oklahoma for three years or however long, make way more money there compared to their potential of money earning back home. But you can't you?

Speaker 3: 1:01:42

what you can't do is say we can't find any doctors for $25,000 a year, therefore we have to go overseas. That's the abuse of the program as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 1: 1:01:54

I agree, and I think you know you could even have you could. But here's the problem Government regulation never solves problems. Yeah, it creates problems. So that's the problem with the problem we're trying to solve here.

Speaker 3: 1:02:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:02:10

But you could even have, like Bureau of Labor and Statistics, generate salary figures for averages across the nation and say well, you're not above them, you know the average salary range here. So you've got to bump it up, but then that creates a bureaucracy, and do we want that?

Speaker 3: 1:02:27

Well, I think the default position has to be no H-1B visas at all. If that's the default, and then we look at well, what can we do to address the needs that businesses have when they're in locations.

Speaker 1: 1:02:40

I would go further. I would say the default needs to be no immigration. And then when we at all of any kind, and then we decide how much immigration we need. And then we decide how much immigration we need.

Speaker 3: 1:02:50

Well, that is very contrary to what you've been saying in the past as well, which is, the US has a negative birth rate and we can't afford.

Speaker 1: 1:03:00

That's not contrary to what I've said.

Speaker 3: 1:03:02

Well, no immigration as a default position means we're accepting the fact that our population is going to go down.

Speaker 1: 1:03:08

No, like I said, we Okay, no, no, no. So I think our default position should be no immigration and we bring in the people who we want, who are most likely to assimilate, who we are going to get along with, because we're inviting them to come live with us. Right, we'd be picky because we have the opportunity to be picky. Right, we'd be picky because we have the opportunity to be picky. I don't see that as being in contradiction at all because, again, yeah, our population is declining and I would like our birth rate to start going up, but whatever, we certainly do not want a population collapse in the US.

Speaker 1: 1:03:52

That would not be a good thing. So if we are going to bring in immigrants, let's be picky about who from where and what they're going to be doing when they get here as a general population immigration policy.

Speaker 3: 1:04:04

I agree with that. I think we ought to be picky about who we bring in. But I do think that, yes, that we need to have an immigration policy. We can't just say no more immigrants. We can't become Japan of the you know 300 years ago.

Speaker 1: 1:04:20

Yeah, I agree, and I didn't say that we should. I'm saying our default position should be X, y, z, and the point of the default position being no is and here's the thing I actually ironically think it ought to be way easier to come here when the gates are open and we say come here. It shouldn't cost you $10,000 to come here illegally and it costs you $5,000 to come here via Coyote. Those shouldn't be the things that we're dealing with.

Speaker 3: 1:04:50

No, the border shouldn't let you in. It shouldn't cost $10,000 because you can't get in, so there'd be no point in spending the money Right, but my point is it should not be expensive to come to the US legally.

Speaker 1: 1:05:04

If you are able to come here legally, it ought to be cheap, fast and efficient be cheap, fast and efficient.

Speaker 3: 1:05:19

I mean, well, if you have a limit, uh well, you have very specific controls over who gets to come then yes, as somebody that has brought somebody to the united states my ex-wife oh, you bastard what do you mean, bastard? I don't know. Well, you really, yeah, really, want to marry an American girl. Come on.

Speaker 1: 1:05:34

Well, I mean, the one you brought over is too old for me anyway.

Speaker 3: 1:05:38

Well, she is too old for you, that's true, but she was just the right age. When I brought her over she was 23. But so I went through that whole process. I did all the filings of all the tons and tons of paperwork and the fees associated with it. I did all that stuff and it is not I don't think it's a impossible process to do. It's definitely very bureaucratic. There's tons of stuff that you got tons and tons of different paperwork you got to do to do. It's definitely very bureaucratic. There's tons of stuff that you got tons and tons of different paperwork you got to do to do it. But it certainly is doable. Timelines were, I think, fairly reasonable. I think they took about a month before issuing a yeah, go ahead, um. So it didn't really take a lot long to get her in on a fiance visa and then you are also doing it when it wasn't that hard, quite frankly uh, do you think it's gotten harder?

Speaker 3: 1:06:41

really, yes, the fiance visa process yes, okay, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 1:06:48

I mean I haven't tried to bring another one in, so, uh, I don't know. I mean I haven't tried to bring another one in, so I don't know what's changed since when I did it. I did it in 2000. So 24 years ago, I'm a 25. And like it was all right, it was certainly doable, but it was a pain in the ass. It reminded how much I hate dealing with bureaucracy because you mean government, yeah, government bureaucracy. Exactly Because, like, for example, when we had to go down to the interview with INS, which is what it used to be called they open at 8 am.

Speaker 3: 1:07:31

Okay, so you have a bunch of immigrants showing up for a meeting with ins, right, they're all used to doing stuff the way that they do back in the old country. So you can't. You can't show up at 7 30 because you want to be there nice and early, because by 7 30 there's a line of 280 people standing outside. So you have to show up at literally like 4.30 in the morning to get in line and stand in line. So you're actually going to be let in because there's more people that have appointments than they have capacity in the building.

Speaker 3: 1:08:10

I mean it's insanity, it's just like crazy shit. It's not what you Imagine, the DMV, but 10 times worse.

Speaker 1: 1:08:22

I think the entire Government right there yeah agreed, yeah, but a lot of this could be done online and I hope that it is these days there's lots of things to be changed.

Speaker 3: 1:08:31

Yeah, back then a lot of it had could be done online.

Speaker 3: 1:08:32

There's well these and I hope that it is these days- lots of things to be changed, yeah back then a lot of it had to be done in person as well, um, but my point with all of it is that, like, I think that there needs to be a reasonable amount and, and I think, annoyances aside, what I saw in that process of doing the fiance visa stuff, um, it was a reasonable amount of government controls to prevent a gaming of the system for h1bs. I feel like that's not the case. And again, I've both hired in multiple companies, people in h1bs. I think I've hired probably 60 or 70 of them and I've fired about 100 of them uh in other companies and for h1bs.

Speaker 3: 1:09:19

The only real thing you need is money. Everything else is super fast and easy. Companies that'll take care of the whole process for you. You just got to pay them about 10 grand.

Speaker 1: 1:09:31

Um, there's no real justification expectation from anybody, uh, you you probably not getting tricked what you're not getting tricked into giving a false answer what do you mean?

Speaker 3: 1:09:48

oh, as far as testing. No, I mean like again, my, maybe I'm not the one who's correct here, but my read of the H-1B visa program is that it's meant to allow companies to go look for out-of-country workforce for those situations where they have in earnest attempted to hire somebody locally and have been unsuccessful at doing so and I think the problem that's not the real.

Speaker 3: 1:10:21

That's not real, that's not what's happening, that's not what's happening, because what they're basically saying is what you said earlier, which is their rationale for hiring out of the country is well, we posted an ad for a doctor for $26,000 a year and, amazingly, no one's applied for that role in three months. So now we're going to go out of the country? No, that's not the rationale. Not that you try to hire somebody for an unreasonably low amount of money and you couldn't, and therefore you get to go out of the country. That should never have existed. What should exist is if, if you're trying to hire for what the mean average pay for that job is and you're not able to hire somebody like your location, you know literally yeah, or more, you know, or more yeah or more, but I don't want to keep picking oklahoma, so let's go to um nebraska.

Speaker 3: 1:11:14

If you're in, bumfuck nebraska and it. It probably is more difficult to find people in certain professions because they would prefer to live in either california or texas or florida or new york or someplace else, and not who would rather live in california, but sure well, a lot of people did prefer to live in cal less now than there used to be because california has gone to total shit, but plenty of people love the weather there.

Speaker 3: 1:11:43

I mean, I've always said california is probably one of the best places in america if it wasn't for the californians. If you get rid of the californians out of california, it's a really nice state. You got 68 degrees year round in a lot of places, not northern california obviously, but it seems cold 68, with the sun, not a cloud, every single day.

Speaker 3: 1:12:10

Never gets hot, never gets cold yeah it's really nice anyway, somewhat of a joke, but you know as we're sitting here at 73 on right and the storm did pass and it's actually sunny out now, yeah, um, but but still it's one of those things where I think the abuse is in using I'm only willing to pay a low amount of money as an excuse to go after h1bs like that. That's the loophole that should have been plugged a long time ago is that you can hire h1bs all day long. You cannot hire them because you're not willing to pay enough money. So if you, if you're willing to pay a salary uh, like an average salary for a particular job and you can't find anybody for that role, then you get to go out of the country. But if you're only willing to pay less than that average salary, no, you're not allowed to go out of the country for that.

Speaker 3: 1:13:11

This is not looking for a cheap workforce. That was not the intent. This is not what americans agreed to for h1bs, um, but it's what's it. It's what it has become in an awful lot of ways, but again, like those h1bs, whether the negotiation is with a company and not them directly, but every single place where we hired somebody for an IT role and this is again this is going back probably 18 years ago, but every person that we hired for a data center for security monitoring started off at somewhere around $46,000, $48,000 a year year, so sub what the average salaries were. However, within five years, all those people well, most of them were still there. Not all of them, but most of them were still there. They were now making 70 grand a year within five years yeah, well, regardless.

Speaker 1: 1:14:10

Yes, the H-1B program has issues and needs to be cleaned up. I think that even if Ramaswamy stepped in it with like a Laura Loomer or something, that won't last. That'll change over time. That will go away. I'm not worried about that. I just think that there's a very—.

Speaker 3: 1:14:31

I think you'll be fine. Well, I hope you're right. But this is the same kind of reaction that I remember seeing, too, when Kyle Rittenhouse posted that he was going to, and Kyle is still loved and is fine. Well, dude, you forgot how much, uh, how much hate was put out towards him. But yes, yeah, you're not mega.

Speaker 1: 1:14:52

You don't belong in mega. Go die. Put out towards him yes.

Speaker 3: 1:14:53

Yeah, you're not MAGA. You don't belong in MAGA. Go die you, piece of shit.

Speaker 1: 1:14:57

Yeah, so actually this is a great lead-in to my main political topic for today All right.

Speaker 1: 1:15:04

Because I think that we are getting to the tribal vitriol point of it being really problematic, right? Yeah, um, and this is why there's constantly death in communist regimes, because you're never communist enough and you always have to fight the counter-revolutionaries, and anyone who doesn't agree perfectly with you is doesn't pass the purity test as a counter-revolutionary is a problem, so it's this othering that we've gotten to that is a real big problem. So how do we solve that gene? How do we solve our debt crisis? How do we solve all of this?

Speaker 3: 1:15:45

easy. We get humans out of the way no, we move into our empire phase. Okay, so you're going to other countries, okay.

Speaker 1: 1:15:59

Yeah, and unify ourselves.

Speaker 3: 1:16:01

I forget what the quote is, but there was a quote, I think, from Napoleon or somebody, about if you want to minimize the amount of troublemakers at home, uh, you just have to bring back enough loot from other countries to keep them pacified.

Speaker 1: 1:16:22

So you know, if you, there's a great book series out there by Orson Scott card. That's not Ender's game, that's a empire, it's a two book series and it's about the second american civil war and that america needs to go into its empire phase, and it's pretty interesting and the people advocating america going into its empire phase are the bad guys in this book.

Speaker 1: 1:16:46

By the way, this was written in the 90s during a lot of the naftaTA talks and the North American Union stuff that apparently is coming back and the unified currency stuff, aka the Amero, which is coming back.

Speaker 3: 1:16:58

NAFTA really did a number on American capacity for industry yes, and I think we're going to.

Speaker 1: 1:17:06

I think NAFTA 2 was actually a pretty decent rewrite of it. Um, I think that it's going to be interesting to see what happens, but based off of what Trump has floated out there not only with you know people are like oh, what a troll and what a joke about Canada. Well, kevin O'Leary is taking it seriously enough to go down the Mar-a-Lago and say, well, hey, if not statehood, how about an economic union? How about a unified currency? How about we go the route of the EU to an extent? So that's interesting. Kevin.

Speaker 1: 1:17:38

O'Leary, talking on Fox Business, saying he's going.

Speaker 3: 1:17:41

I like Kevin.

Speaker 1: 1:17:41

O'Leary. He does not like, he doesn't want Trudeau to negotiate this, so he is going to Mar-a-Lago to negotiate this with Trump and put this in his ear. Like this has been an old idea for a while. Like this this is when I was a kid. I remember hearing conspiracy theories about the north american union. Well, over the last few days, looking at what trump has said about greenland, what trump has said about canada, what trump has said about panama and everything else, can we talk about greenland for a little bit, because yeah, we're going to buy it.

Speaker 3: 1:18:13

It's such a cool idea.

Speaker 1: 1:18:17

We're going to purchase Greenland. I am very confident about that one.

Speaker 3: 1:18:22

Yeah, I think it's a neat idea. I'm just not sure that Denmark's going to sell.

Speaker 1: 1:18:27

I think for a trillion dollars they'll sell I mean denmark has oil money.

Speaker 3: 1:18:34

They're not like what? Is denmark's gdp I mean they're all small, but so is the population I mean well you know the, the gdp, um the per capita may actually be pretty good.

Speaker 1: 1:18:48

So gdp of denmark is 404 billion yeah, and they've got double. Let's say we're going to give them, you know, oh, over double their, uh, gross domestic.

Speaker 3: 1:18:59

Such a great position to be giving money to places with our current deficit, aren't we?

Speaker 1: 1:19:04

look how much we've given to ukraine, dude please we could have now you've been halfway done. Paying for could have been halfway done paying for greenland just when I stopped thinking about ukraine.

Speaker 3: 1:19:15

you have to remind me, you bastard yeah their GDP per capita is 67.

Speaker 1: 1:19:21

Okay, 67k.

Speaker 3: 1:19:24

All right. Well, that's Pretty high. Yeah, that's better than most of Europe.

Speaker 1: 1:19:29

Yeah. Anyway, the point is, I think we will acquire Greenland and I think we'll most likely try and purchase it, and what the purchase price ends up being and everything else, that's neither here nor there. But if Denmark doesn't want to play and we are going to go this economic hegemon route and go into empire and say well, you know Denmark, why don't you leave the EU and join us? I think Denmark would be stupid not to do that.

Speaker 3: 1:20:00

The EU is collapsing. I'm not sure how that works. The EU is not working.

Speaker 1: 1:20:04

What do you mean? It'd be Dexit, dexit, that's good. Sorry, I've been waiting on that one.

Speaker 3: 1:20:13

Yeah, I could tell you had that loaded and primed and ready Dexit. Yeah, I could tell you had that loaded and primed and ready. Dexit yeah. You know I like Danish chicks. They're pretty hot. I'm all for Denmark being part of the US, but I also think that they've got a pretty strong national identity, and it wouldn't be easy to do that. The number of people living in Greenland is tiny, though.

Speaker 1: 1:20:37

Right.

Speaker 3: 1:20:38

It's mostly just empty territory.

Speaker 1: 1:20:40

So I don't think we're going to do warfare against Canada or Denmark to gain Greenland and Canada as part of this. I think that will be a soft power play and I think we'll win there play and I think we'll win there. Now, one of the other things that trump has recently said that everyone needs to pay the hell attention to is he is saying day one he will designate the cartels as terrorist organizations.

Speaker 1: 1:21:05

So welcome to the g watt in north america yeah, I like that so what's going to happen is you, they're going to be designated terrorist organizations and we're going to bring out the Bushy Boy playbook and say okay, mexico, you're harboring terrorists, we're going to be conducting military operations inside your country, whether you like it or not. Move out the way.

Speaker 3: 1:21:31

Yeah, that would be interesting, because I think there's a percentage of Mexicans that would be all in favor of becoming Americans and then there's a percentage of Mexicans and I'm mostly looking at people in Mexico City that are affluent that would not want to do this. The cartels obviously would not want to do this, because you can't make money if you're being hunted by the US military.

Speaker 1: 1:22:01

Yeah. So I think what will happen with Mexico is we will take northern Mexico, it will become a quote unquote buffer zone, you know, because what I think and what I think is going to drive that is I think that Trump is going to challenge birthright citizenship. I think he's going to likely fail. I think the. Supreme Court is going to fuck him on that one, even though I tend to agree with a lot of that.

Speaker 3: 1:22:26

Now explain what that is for people.

Speaker 1: 1:22:29

So you know, 14th Amendment those born on the soil and subject to the jurisdiction thereof get citizenship. The idea was, if your parents weren't citizens but you were born here in the US, you get citizenshipa. La, this was a way of granting slaves and slaves' descendants citizenship, even though it was a shitty way to do it and it shouldn't have never been done. And we can argue whether the 14th amendment was actually legally ratified, considering the south didn't truly have representation and everything else.

Speaker 1: 1:23:04

But that's a whole, nother thing, and I want to stay focused on the new, the neo-monroe doctrine that we're going into, which I think is what we should start calling this is, is it's a Neo-Monroe doctrine.

Speaker 3: 1:23:19

I like the concept. I think this is a typical Trump say stuff that seems completely outrageous in order to shift the Overton window closer to what you want, even though you had no intention of doing things like buying greenland yeah, yeah, I, I get you, uh, but you know, here's the thing if you listen to zayhan, who we? I know we don't necessarily agree with hold on but he, he's a globalist shell.

Speaker 1: 1:23:50

There's no doubt about that. Right, we can agree on that yeah, yeah like the man is connected and he's representing a point of view he is all right paid by somebody that's for sure paid very well by somebody.

Speaker 3: 1:24:02

Yeah, and we can probably agree on. He's an outdoorsy guy. He likes shooting his videos climbing mountains sure anyway?

Speaker 1: 1:24:11

um, with the collapse of globalism, if that's going going to happen, if we look at hell, the globalists and everybody have been using 1984 as a fucking playbook. We need Eurasia, we need Asia and we need the North American alliance to all three exist. We need to have three hegemons in the world so that we can all switch them back and forth and be at war if nothing else, right right what my point is.

Speaker 1: 1:24:40

I think that this is in line with trump's ego. This is in line with what I think a lot of the deep staters and the globalists want to have happen. I think this has been a plan for a very long time to create a north american union. Um, I think that this could go well if it was done correctly, but I have no faith that it will and I'm worried about where this is going to go. And, by the way, I think 100% the canal zone will be back in us control before the end of the Trump administration. One way or the other, willingly or unwillingly.

Speaker 3: 1:25:13

Yeah, yeah. So now go ahead. The and I, I, that's the most likely one in my mind to happen more than mexico, more than oh, I think greenland's more likely they've tried this before. Dude um, and and the people.

Speaker 1: 1:25:32

We've succeeded, yes, and we've succeeded. Alaska and Louisiana Purchase.

Speaker 3: 1:25:35

No, we've tried this with Greenland, and the people of Greenland voted at the time with like a 96% vote against leaving Denmark.

Speaker 1: 1:25:46

Okay, well, we don't care about what their feelings are.

Speaker 3: 1:25:49

Okay, so you just want to buy slaves?

Speaker 1: 1:25:53

No, I want to buy the territory that they're sitting on.

Speaker 3: 1:25:55

Yeah, well, they're saying that we're not for sale. Is what they're saying?

Speaker 1: 1:26:00

yes, and if we're going into empire and fucking our principles anyway, which we've already done with the constitution, then sure why not?

Speaker 3: 1:26:06

now you're taking my attitude, which is let's not pretend to have freedom of speech for everybody, because clearly some people that's.

Speaker 1: 1:26:16

My point is we are moving into empire.

Speaker 3: 1:26:19

We are going to that totalitarian place in a way, if we're going to go to empire, then we need to immediately make a distinction between citizens and residents and I think we will, and I think that.

Speaker 1: 1:26:30

So I think that there will be a confederation. I think that the united states will have most privileged status. I think that other countries quote unquote will exist. So there are two ways this goes. One either. So my ideal, like if Ben were king for a day and got to actually do it the way I see this being able to be done correctly is you strip the federal government to the bone?

Speaker 1: 1:26:55

is you strip the federal government to the bone? You instantiate states' rights. You focus on the Ninth and the Tenth Amendment and say states' rights are what they should be and what they should have always been. The states capital S are nations of the world and this federal government is a loose federation for the overarching cooperation and you so, basically, you elevate the states to what they should have been, what they were you like the eu model?

Speaker 1: 1:27:23

no, not at all. There's a very big difference between the us constitution and the eu. The eu doesn't really have any elections or any say, or the in the congress is bullshit. So don't get me started on the eu politics. But anyway, somewhat, yes, like that. But what I would say is we go to canada, we say quebec, you're free, go away. We don't want your french nonsense, go away. The rest of canada, we kind of break up and form states and we introduce them as states, but in a more generalized federation.

Speaker 3: 1:27:59

That is the right way to do it Now the way I think it's actually going to happen is going to have two senators.

Speaker 1: 1:28:06

Actually, I would probably break up the Canadian provinces into smaller bits.

Speaker 3: 1:28:11

You realize that that they already have the population of, like Connecticut, you know a lot of those provinces are giant territories with no people, yes exactly. A lot of polar bears.

Speaker 1: 1:28:24

Yes, and the populated provinces are more liberal. So, yes, I'll take more senators for the conservatives and the Congress is going to the House is going to go a little bit more liberal. I'll take that balance, like we can do this in an effective political way. I think puerto rico needs to become a state during all this. Um, also, by the way, I think cuba is taken 100 cuba ours, dominican republic ours. Uh, now, whether or not we take the haitian side of the island or just go we're still.

Speaker 3: 1:28:52

We're still in the ben. Is emperor for a day phase here, right?

Speaker 1: 1:28:57

no, I think this is the way it's going to go. Yeah, I think that there is going to be a neo-monroe doctrine and we are going to exert our influence over. I think it's going to go from greenland, all the americas over to the islands of the south china sea, like the pacific is ours, and that that's the way it's going to be. I think that is what is going to be enforced now, whether that is an economic union, uh, or uh, expansion of statehood or changing and what that means. We will see. But I dude, I think it's coming all right, it's been coming.

Speaker 3: 1:29:35

Don't get offended when I say this, but I I think you're drinking hopium here in a lot of ways I think this is not a hope.

Speaker 1: 1:29:42

This is something I would fight against oh okay, okay.

Speaker 3: 1:29:45

Well, your, your predictability is is drinking hopium, you're, you're okay anti-hero here is drinking open, because I don't see any of this happening. If anything, the only thing I would see potentially is the panama canal because there is while carter, amongst many idiotic things that he did, gave it away.

Speaker 3: 1:30:08

Terrible um I think that there is. There are many places that we've gone to and brought in our military and took over the governance of. That has less value than the Panama Canal. So getting the Panama Canal to become a US military zone and that's it, we don't care who owns it. It's our troops that are stationed there and, as a result, get to control what ships go through and what ships don't. I think that is more likely to happen. But you know, we were literally just six months ago talking about the, the decline and fall of the america uh, of american empire, or just the american state. How the uh? Uh. We're getting to a point of non-recovery here if we maintain the scores.

Speaker 1: 1:30:58

Yes, and this is a way out of that.

Speaker 3: 1:31:02

It's a big nah, I'd bet against it. I don't even think we're going to get Greenland, as cool as I think it would be to get Greenland. I would love for that to happen. I would never bet in Vegas that it's actually going to happen because I think I would lose money.

Speaker 1: 1:31:21

Okay, so we are at a fourth turning. And here's the thing there has to be a major change. So we're either going for war or we're going for some major shift, or we're going for some major shift the entire point and the reason why, and anyone who's interested in this topic, read Empire by Orson Scott Card. I think it's got some interesting points in there. America has never entered its imperial phase.

Speaker 3: 1:31:53

We have never been a territorial expansionist. I mean, I think that's. That's a very narrowly defined thing, Sure Meaning like you can argue for what you just said if you define it very narrowly. However we have 191 military bases in foreign countries right now in something like 120 countries. We have wars that we start, that we don't call wars, at least once a decade it didn't happen during trump, but we do it consistently everywhere and trump, incidentally, did not pull out of syria when he should have well, he was lied to.

Speaker 1: 1:32:30

He did try to pull out of syria and they lied to him about how many troops were still there.

Speaker 3: 1:32:33

It's you know there are everybody else.

Speaker 1: 1:32:40

Which, by the way, did you see that Assad's wife is divorcing him? No, and going to flee to England?

Speaker 3: 1:32:45

Poor guy. Imagine losing your job and then having your wife divorce. You Kind of tells you what her mentality is, doesn't it?

Speaker 1: 1:32:52

Yeah, it does.

Speaker 3: 1:32:54

Mm-hmm. Oh, anyway, you know, asad was a dentist yeah, uh, ophthalmologist.

Speaker 3: 1:33:01

I thought it was a dentist okay really, I thought it was a dentist, but either way, the guy was just got sucked into politics, but because of the family, uh, anyway, I I think that it's a hard thing to argue that the US has never had an empire phase, given how the US, literally up until a few years ago, was considered as the sole global superpower. How are you a global superpower where not a single other country matches you and yet you're not going to call it an empire, even though it has its feet on over 100 countries' soil?

Speaker 1: 1:33:51

Again, it depends on what you define as empire. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:33:55

What I'm saying, that's what I'm asking for. What is the definition at which US has not been an empire, so the last empire really was the Brits right.

Speaker 1: 1:34:06

Can we agree on that? Or you could even say the Soviets. The Soviets were the last traditional empire. Yeah when they've gone, taken territory and they're feeding, but it wouldn't be the soviets?

Speaker 3: 1:34:20

well, yeah, I guess it would be the soviets. Because here's the tricky bit is the soviet union actually became smaller than russia. Was the russian empire was an actual empire? But then okay they started getting these client states in eastern europe that were never part of Russia but were essentially controlled territories of the Soviet Union. So in that sense I agree with you Soviet Union was an empire. Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:34:45

So either the UK or the Soviets, we can use either one. I think we're more or less going to. If people like Zahan and so on are right that globalism is over and failing which I think that it is for a variety of reasons, not just economic and demographic then there has to be what's going to be replacing it. People have talked about trade in small pockets and areas building up and northern Mexico being important for North American manufacturing and this, that and the other. Okay, cool. Well, my plan lines up with that, my plan, my thought process here.

Speaker 1: 1:35:33

The other thing I would say is everybody's assuming that will be willingly.

Speaker 1: 1:35:38

But I see no reason especially with the vitriol that you already talked about, that we have towards one another that if we especially point it to others, why that wouldn't be at the point of a gun? I think America has shown our willingness to use our armed forces at the drop of a hat. I don't see why this would be any different. But the point is the type of empire I am talking about is we will go take territory, we will go take islands in the South China Sea and say ours and send those resources back and defend them a la the empires of old defending their territories and so on, and I think we're going more to a colonial, power-esque balance of power throughout the world. So I think it's going to be us Russia, china to an extent, and the EU that are going to really start exercising colonial powers over the rest of the world and it's going to be fights over it and generally on the colonial borders and things like that, the way it was through most of the 1800s.

Speaker 3: 1:36:52

Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:36:54

That's just what I see coming, man. I see that as a possibility. I see that as a distinct possibility because it checks all the boxes. It gets us out of the economic issues that we have. It gives us the industrial base that economists and people like zayhan say that we need to go through and do this. It's something that the globalists have talked about and wanted for as long as I can remember. Like this is.

Speaker 3: 1:37:20

I think getting Canada would be a very good thing for the US, because Canada has been wasted on the Canadians and I don't say that yes, to a large extent. I don't say that flippantly. It's just that the natural resources of canada is large enough to supply a much, much, much bigger country than what canada is canada is 41 million people in total yeah, 41 million people, of whom 85 live within 50 miles of the us border yep so yeah, canada is basically a leech sucking on america.

Speaker 3: 1:38:00

It's always been that, um. But if properly cooked, canada can become a tasty meal. Uh, so I just don't think the canadians are going to go for it. I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, maybe canadians are just wanting to become Americans, but I've always felt like Canadians have a little bit of a upturned nose and saying, well, at least we're not Americans.

Speaker 1: 1:38:26

I think Trudeau has done a lot to destroy. Canada, there's a lot of anger and vitriol inside Canada.

Speaker 3: 1:38:34

Yeah yeah of anger and vitriol inside Canada. Yeah, yeah. Well, if more people in Canada want to become American than want to stay independent, then I think we should totally take advantage of it. I just don't see any military action against Canada.

Speaker 1: 1:38:47

I mean, that would be. I don't see any military action being necessary. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:38:52

So, first of all, Canada is more of a confederation, which means the provinces do have a lot more autonomy. There are provisions and ways for them to break apart. You've had a secessionist movement in Quebec for a long time. I think if we go and support Quebec secessionist ideals, quebec's gone and I don't know that we won't go back anyway, because you know French influence. So we want to encourage another french indian war well, you know a small neutral french country right there.

Speaker 3: 1:39:24

Whatever, don't care and the us will be supplying arms to quebec, and you would seea lot of liberal canadians if the rest of canada were to join the us flee to quebec and that could be like a relief valve for some of the most, uh, ardent socialists in canada.

Speaker 1: 1:39:43

Like let them go to quebec right and hell. A lot of americans might flee there as well. Like I'm okay with that, like let that be that relief valve there. Yeah, but I you know, you know, I think when you look at Alberta and even British Columbia outside, of Vancouver.

Speaker 3: 1:40:05

Yeah, if you take Vancouver out of British Columbia, it's pretty conservative Manitoba's pretty conservative. Nova Scotia Nova Scotia's definitely conservative.

Speaker 1: 1:40:15

You can break this up and especially if we get Greenland, and we can make it one big, nice, contiguous thing there. But what I think is going to happen, and my point here is so first of all, can we agree that troops will go into Mexico if Trump declares which he says he's going to? He's going to declare the? The cartels are foreign terrorist organizations. So I. Can we agree that that is a move?

Speaker 3: 1:40:42

that is a move to use the military. It's a much more likely thing. I I don't think it's 100, but it's very likely at that point okay.

Speaker 1: 1:40:50

Well, I think that's going to happen. And what's going to happen is we're going to go into mexico and we're going to say, oh, but you know how it's going to be portrayed.

Speaker 3: 1:40:56

The media is going to portray it as American-Mexican war. Sure fine.

Speaker 1: 1:41:02

Sure, fine, we don't care. Here's what it's going to come down to. Oh look, all these cartels launder money through Cuba and the Dominican Republic. We've got to go over there to take care of this. Oh, we've got to go over there to take care of this. Oh, we've got them okay, and it's just going to be a march.

Speaker 1: 1:41:26

Dude it, the, the think of the um wesley clark seven, but in north america, and how it's going to go. Like it, it will play out like something about like that now hopefully on a more expedited and better time scale, with less bullshit, but that's my guess. I think that the problem is a large.

Speaker 3: 1:41:42

I don't know man, it clicked in my mind. I think there's a large number Remember Trump. Even though we say he's got a mandate, there's still just a little bit less than half the population that voted against him.

Speaker 1: 1:42:04

In all three elections. Well, actually did you see the studies of the mail-in ballots showing that trump likely won the 2020?

Speaker 3: 1:42:08

election that's why I said the last three elections that was literally why I said it that way is that slightly less than half the population voted for Trump in the last three elections? And uh, and it's not a trivial number, it's not like 10%, it's like 44, 46%. Those people.

Speaker 3: 1:42:32

We've already seen what they are willing to do if they get triggered by something like BLM. They're willing to get violent inside the country. So my concern here is that if what you describe should take place, then somewhere let's even round down, let's say somewhere around 40% of the people in this country will be outraged that Trump is literally the Hitler that they've been predicting now for 20 years, and that he is acting like Hitler by invading a sovereign country like Mexico and then he's trying to use money to buy other countries. This just proves the point, and at this point, then, it's by any means necessary. We're going to start seeing a lot more, not just street fighting. We're going to start seeing a lot more executions and assassinations.

Speaker 3: 1:43:46

Now, this may be unavoidable, no matter what, because, yeah, I think it is uh and, but certainly a move like bringing US troops into Mexico is going to make a large percentage of American citizens currently and maybe you can argue that they shouldn't be citizens but it's going to make a large percentage of american citizens currently and maybe you can argue that they shouldn't be citizens, but it's going to make a large percentage of them up to 40 feel like like everything negative that's ever been said about trump has been correct and that he literally is a reincarnation of hitler and he wants to go and take over the world. And this proves it, because that's literally the first thing he's doing since he's in office is now attacking Mexico.

Speaker 1: 1:44:26

Yeah, okay, and what?

Speaker 3: 1:44:28

happened with the Roman Empire. You're fulfilling the prophecy.

Speaker 1: 1:44:32

So here's the bad side of where this could go and why I would be against a lot of this. So if we go the empire route, what happened when the Romans went from the Roman Republic to the empire?

Speaker 3: 1:44:45

Well, it depends for who right.

Speaker 1: 1:44:47

Well, let's focus on the actual political changes that occurred pre-emperor versus post. Let's focus on the way the laws were written and the actual power of the Senate pre and post. Let's look at how dissenters were dealt with.

Speaker 3: 1:45:14

Well, the same way they are always dealt with when you consolidate power.

Speaker 1: 1:45:18

Exactly. So I can see this going very badly and us going to, you know, more dictatorial powers and it going in a direction that I don't really want it to go in. But I can totally see it happening, man, I think we are at that point in history where shit's about to break and break bad in one direction or the other, and maybe I'm wrong, maybe it just continues on, but that is not the pattern of history we've seen throughout the world. We have lived in unprecedented times of peace here in the United States and it's going to change.

Speaker 1: 1:45:52

I don't see a way out of that. I don't. We've been saying that for a while though. Well, I think we've seen a lot of violence over the last four years.

Speaker 3: 1:46:01

Yeah, and we've seen a lot more dictatorial controls with the whole COVID thing, mm-hmm. Anyway.

Speaker 1: 1:46:10

I don't know, I just this hit me. I saw a lot of the rhetoric that was going on. I saw some of the statements. I saw some of this other stuff and it just it reminded me of the 90s. It reminded me of George HW Bush and his new world order. It reminded me of Bill Clinton and NAFTA and the eventual moves to a North American union you know, and the talks of the Amero, and then Kevin O'Leary coming out and talking about a unified currency Amero, amero, amero. Well hell, all our debt's in dollars.

Speaker 3: 1:46:47

So we're going to get rid of that.

Speaker 1: 1:46:49

We're going to, we're going to inflate the shit out of the dollar by Greenland, then get rid of the dollar for the Amero. That's what's going to happen. Like I can, just I think that the I'm not saying it's 100, I'm not saying it's even high likelihood, but I can see a path where this is very viable and it scares me, to be honest with you. Anyway, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 1:47:10

You think I'm nuts, but no I don't think you're nuts, I, I just think that, hey, at least I left it for the second half of the show. Yeah, I just think that the odds of it actually happening are a lot slimmer than the way you're presenting it. That's all. I think, that these are all possibilities. I just don't think they're likelihoods.

Speaker 1: 1:47:28

But what do you think? The alternative is?

Speaker 3: 1:47:32

Because it can't be the status quo. Well, I think the alternative is the status quo. I don't think that's possible. Well, the status quo, by definition, is the most possible of all things.

Speaker 1: 1:47:48

It is literally doing nothing. Okay, I think we're. Axiomatically dude Right, but I think you're missing my point. But that's fine. I think that we are at a point in history where the status quo is no longer possible or feasible. I think you're seeing a pendulum swing. I think it's going back the other way. I think the Laura.

Speaker 1: 1:48:06

Loomer reaction to the H-1B visa comments is an exact example of what I'm talking about on the pendulum swinging back and that being potentially problematic, depending on how far and how fast that pendulum is swinging, it could be really bad going back the other way. And you know because? I'm pretty moderate in a lot of ways, man.

Speaker 3: 1:48:28

Yeah, I agree, you're pretty moderate. The last point, with the Laura Loomer thing too, is that I think, because Vivek has Indian heritage and Musk is a South African, you're not real Americans and you know, us, real Americans here that were born in this country and that are white are done.

Speaker 3: 1:48:56

Getting screwed over is the messaging, even though laura loomer is very jewish and a lot of people would look at her and exclude her from benefits of white america as well, and I I think she's forgetting that bit when she starts becoming racist herself. But um the the point here that is true but uncomfortable, is one that I made on X, which is that simply being born in America does not ensure either success or financial, not even wealth, but really financial stability. Like, just because you're born in the U?

Speaker 3: 1:49:36

S doesn't mean you can compete in terms of your job, like you're saying well, we should get rid of the H1Bs. Okay, we can get rid of the H1Bs, but if the H1Bs are actually addressing a problem right now, what you're going to end up is with a a higher earning but worse quality workforce, and I think that's our efficiency is already down to shit yeah, and I think that's the bid.

Speaker 3: 1:50:06

That's. That's bad, because here's what shocks me is it's the same people going rah, rah america first. Um, and really white america first is, if you look at what they're saying, that's essentially what they're saying is that all these immigrants they're lumping in together with actual foreign workers. But you know, when you have Asian parents and I know this, I've had several friends that are Asian and their parents were first generation so these are people born in the U? S but their parents were born in Asia. Um, you know, while I was fucking around having fun and playing video games, they were locked in their rooms doing homework or just studying for tests and, as a result, got straight A's in school, got into better colleges, got straight A's and became valedictoriates there and got out and got jobs much faster that were higher paying and rose up the ranks a lot faster.

Speaker 3: 1:51:14

And this has nothing to do with skin color. It what it has to do with is what vivek mentioned, which is culture. Until the american culture stops pushing woke agenda and socialism, until that stops, you cannot compete simply by being born in america, like that's not good enough. You. You have to change the culture here if you want to compete, and that's what got people riled up, because they didn't like him saying that. Oh well, you piece of shit foreigner, uh, you think American culture is bad Once you go back to your own country? Yeah, that would be Ohio for him.

Speaker 1: 1:51:54

Yeah, I think there's a lot here. One we need to get back to the culture of, you know, the people who came here and left their comfortable homes across Europe and across the world to migrate here and to colonize and start a new world where there was basically nothing. People can sit there and say native americans, everything else.

Speaker 1: 1:52:18

There was no infrastructure, there was no modern society at the time right and I hate to tell you this, but even going back to the 1600s, uh, to operate at a 1600s level of technology requires infrastructure. Right, that's where the colonies required imports from europe at the time, um, but regardless that, I've played civilization man, I know all about that that took a pioneering spirit.

Speaker 1: 1:52:46

That took it was. It was a self-selection of the radicals. It was a self-selection of the individuals who had enough gumption and, quite frankly, if they succeeded, intelligence to do something. That is what made America very special for a very long period of time is because we had a selection bias of the best and brightest of Europe coming here and making something of themselves, something of themselves right. If you were not an aristocrat, and even if you were and you didn't like exactly what the king or queen was doing, you came here to get away from it all and to build something else, and we did yeah, we have to kind of get back to that mentality is my point.

Speaker 3: 1:53:28

And this is. This is the. In fact, I think it was um, I can't remember which, but it was a fairly large conservative account in there said, you know, in replying to Ramaswamy, say, hey, what about all the, all of the American inventors, like, we invent more stuff than anybody else? Which then I replied, yeah, you mean american inventors, like tesla, who immigrated to the us, uh, from um I can forget where he's from now, but anyway I had it all in the in the post uh, or um, vernon braun, the father of american rocketry, who came here from germany, or einstein, who came here from germany, you know, just list a whole bunch of immigrants that were majorly responsible for american inventions. It's like what you can't. You can't look at somebody's birthplace to determine whether or not they're going to be good at inventing things, and it's ridiculous. And if you look at the, the number of patents, uh, the number of patents held by born, born Americans is disproportionately large.

Speaker 1: 1:54:55

Yeah, I understand and it's for the same exact reason.

Speaker 3: 1:54:59

Yeah, but those people are not. They're like, hey man, if it wasn't for American inventions, the rest of the world would be fucked, yeah sure, but here's the thing, but the asterisk there. Yeah, we did have the culture that attracted the people that are going to be the hard worker and allowed them to do what they did. Exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:55:18

They couldn't have done it in their native country? Yeah, yeah, except von Braun. You know, he was doing it with the B-2 rocket and things like that.

Speaker 3: 1:55:24

Yeah, we'll ignore that one, but generally speaking, yeah, or even like something. I didn't know. I can't remember the guy's name, but I have it in that post is uh one of the founders of intel, uh, came here from hungary.

Speaker 3: 1:55:39

Like you know, a lot of these, what we consider american institution companies, were actually founded by people that had immigrated to the us and um, and I think, and not the least of which is, you know, uh, elon musk himself in what he's done in the us after coming here via canada, via america light, from south africa sure, uh sure, okay, and well, and I'm this is the big uh division going out in mega right now.

Speaker 3: 1:56:20

That I see, is that a lot of people see mega as uh they. They think make america great just means close the doors, that's not enough.

Speaker 1: 1:56:34

You have to change the culture back. Yeah, I agree with you that?

Speaker 1: 1:56:45

you know, I don't think that that's what it should mean. I think the cultural change is more important than the people. I think the people are um important. Uh, I think that when you look at demographics and everything, there's a lot to say this group versus that group and how things happen but, you know what identity politics like? That is the politics of the left and not something I want to engage in exactly what I want to engage in is the politics of the left, and not something I want to engage in.

Speaker 1: 1:57:15

What I want to engage in is the politics of the individual, because that's what made Western society great. Is that abstract of individual sovereignty, that each person is unique and what is valuable, unique things. And since each person is absolutely unique, there will never be someone like you before, after or again, um, each person is inherently valuable. Having that inherent value, now can we say that? Well, you know, uh, billy bob over here is smarter than jim bob.

Speaker 3: 1:57:48

Sure, we can make individual, quantitative and qualitative analysis about an individual, but to say a group or no, the right level analysis is always the individual yeah, and that's why it's frustrating whenever this, this kind of stuff, pops up, and and by this stuff, you mean the laura loomer stuff yeah, well, laura loomer is is the current one, but there was other people during the Kyle Rittenhouse. Uh, on the right is. I don't know if it's any worse or better than the left, but it it shouldn't be this easy, in my opinion, like people are acting extremely, um, hard behavioristically right, but you understand that this is the, this is the tool of the demagogue, right.

Speaker 3: 1:58:59

Sure, and maybe it is just a size thing, like you've always mentioned. It's like we just are too big for our own good.

Speaker 1: 1:59:06

We are because we don't have a good enough representation. And this is where we're othering ourselves at this point, and this is my point. We we have to solve that, otherwise we're going to tear ourselves apart and we will end in civil war, and it will not go well.

Speaker 3: 1:59:23

Well, and like with these. These are things that I don't think are very arguable and I, I think some of these you know I am maga in the, in the same way that you know Fauci is science Some of these people think that they are MAGA and they're fully representative. I think there's a very realistic danger of Trump being effectively kicked out of MAGA because he's not MAGA enough for MAGA people.

Speaker 1: 1:59:51

I agree which is what I started this with on the, you know the whole communist revolution and always fighting the next one, and I mean, look what happened with Trotsky.

Speaker 3: 2:00:03

This is a perfect example. Oh yeah, Well, all those guys early on.

Speaker 1: 2:00:07

Yeah, there's Stalin. Stalin was the.

Speaker 3: 2:00:09

Well, Stalin wasn't even there early on. That's the thing. Is he kind of joined once the gears were already in motion?

Speaker 1: 2:00:18

Yes, and then used them to grind up everyone else yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3: 2:00:20

Uh, stalin was just the biggest thug, because a lot of the early communist party were intellectuals, and I'll even say jewish intellectuals, because a lot of them were, um, but yes, communism is a jewish thing yeah, that's just what I would expect you to say. Um, you know, it's true, just because it was invented by a jewish guy and then propagated by jewish people, and then you know that it racist, that's all oh uh-huh, so um, and, by the way, I do give gene a lot of shit off the air.

Speaker 1: 2:01:05

Uh, about this, because he, he could. He continually insists on I'm an anti-semite, which I'm not I like people, I'm just saying um, you know, but I I send him little jokes and things that I'm not sure if he appreciates or not fully I'm pretty sure you know I don't which is part of the joke which which you know goes back to, you know, csb. Real quick, I have to say this because we said something on the podcast the other day that pissed him off.

Speaker 1: 2:01:36

And what I said to him is we're joking with you, right? We're giving you crap. That's because we like, you Like if we didn't like you, we wouldn't mention you, we wouldn't say anything. It's part of that social interaction of hey Gene's Jewish. I'm going to give him shit, right, I'm going to give him shit about it because why not? It's, it's funny, yeah, um, people give me shit about being christian and baptist and everything, whatever.

Speaker 3: 2:02:03

No one gives you shit about being christian.

Speaker 1: 2:02:05

Oh, totally, totally you. You gotta remember, dude. I had a uh brooklyn jew roommate, uh, in college. I had a islamic turk roommate in college. We were all living under one house, we screwed with each other constantly and it was very religious-focused for all of us in college and just the way it was. I told you about putting a sign over my Jewish roommate's bathroom, right.

Speaker 3: 2:02:31

Yeah, I think you did yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:02:32

It read gas chamber.

Speaker 3: 2:02:34

Yeah, it's a play on words. A little bit of a pun. Yeah, I think you did. Yeah, it read gas chamber. Yeah, it's a play on words, a little bit of a pun.

Speaker 1: 2:02:39

Yeah, exactly. Anyway, it was funny. It's kind of a thing that I would expect you to do. Yes, it's a college kid's level of humor, which is which I still have.

Speaker 3: 2:02:50

yes, no, you have more of a junior high school level of humor.

Speaker 1: 2:02:53

Oh, so you're saying I've regressed, okay?

Speaker 3: 2:02:56

Oh, of a junior high school level. Oh, so you're saying I've regressed, okay, oh, I think so, I think so. I finally had to send you a message yesterday saying stop sending me this shit or I'm gonna mark your account as spam, because you, you, you literally send me, like junior high school level funny pics.

Speaker 1: 2:03:10

You know it's just stupid, stupid shit. You have no sense of humor, you can't laugh at things.

Speaker 3: 2:03:17

A and it's wizard sense of humor that that finds things that are ironic or sarcastic Funny. I don't find stupidity funny.

Speaker 1: 2:03:29

Oh well. I don't have a three, you're not watching it appropriately, because when people do stupid, shit and you get to watch it unfold.

Speaker 3: 2:03:35

It's quite humorous yeah, I, I get it.

Speaker 1: 2:03:38

Some people enjoy the three stooges, I'm just not one of them okay, all right, well, hey, um, on a kind of a last note, uh, the form four, uh, wait time is down to about four days now.

Speaker 3: 2:03:56

Oh really.

Speaker 1: 2:03:57

Which I find really interesting.

Speaker 3: 2:03:59

That's the silencer form. Suppressor yeah for an individual. Yeah, that's pretty good. So is it longer, for if you have a trust, it is significantly. Oh is it? Yeah, but once you're, if you do an an individual, you can't move it to.

Speaker 1: 2:04:18

a trust is my understanding no, you can, but you have to pay another tax stamp okay all right. So if you don't care about, 200.

Speaker 3: 2:04:29

you could just do an individual and set up a trust and file to sell it to the trust and then just wait for the six months or whatever while you're using it as an individual. Correct, yeah, that might be worth 200 bucks.

Speaker 1: 2:04:46

Yep, it might.

Speaker 3: 2:04:49

The problem? I see it's not a problem. It's really more of an observation that I see with you getting a suppressor Is you're going to do what everybody else I've known who's got a suppressor or have has purchased? End up with a bunch of suppressors uh-huh, because you get one, and let's say you get it for nine millimeter. Well, you're really liking this now. Now you're like oh man, I really need this in 223 as well. You get one of those. I wouldn't get it in 223 why?

Speaker 1: 2:05:13

because I don't have a 223? Why Because I don't have a .223.

Speaker 3: 2:05:17

Oh well, really, you don't have any guns that are .223 right now.

Speaker 1: 2:05:20

I have no .556.

Speaker 3: 2:05:21

Holy shit, I didn't know that. Okay, nope, my dad does, I don't, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1: 2:05:27

I have 7.62x39. I have, which is ironic .30.

Speaker 3: 2:05:46

ironic 308. I have um nine millimeter, 40 cal. 45, um let's see a 300 uh room for mag. I have all those. But I also have like five or six guns and five, five, six. I know I've got a bunch of 308s instead.

Speaker 1: 2:05:54

At this point I had some 68 ars. I got rid of them. Yeah, um, let's see what other calibers do you have any weird rifle calibers?

Speaker 3: 2:06:03

still like that which one didn't you have a weird uh uh long um rifle caliber? What, what was it SAUR or something?

Speaker 1: 2:06:19

I'm not sure which one you're talking about, but I have a 300 Remington Ultramag which is pretty no, no, no.

Speaker 3: 2:06:24

It had the really high pressure cartridges 300. Ultramag is a high pressure cartridge, but I'm not sure which one you're referring to. I thought you had something.

Speaker 1: 2:06:32

I don't think you're talking about me, but anyway, I've got 3030s, I've got a bunch of stuff, I've got a handful of guns.

Speaker 3: 2:06:41

I thought you told me of a gun that you bought that was a really good deal and that it was a very hard-hitting, high-pressure cartridge, rifle cartridge. Which is why it was so cheap.

Speaker 1: 2:06:55

It's because nobody wanted to shoot it that would be the remington ultra mag, I'm sure rum rum, yes, okay, yeah, I mean to the ultra magnum yeah, I was thinking it was like a star or something but it's 300 rum. It's the largest of the 30 calibers right, right, right, there you go.

Speaker 3: 2:07:11

So you still have that. You haven't gotten rid of it.

Speaker 1: 2:07:13

Yes yeah, no, it's a. It's built off a remington 700 platform that I did I do so. First, bolt gun. I actually customized and head spaced and did all the gunsmithing on myself. I started this project in the early 2000s, finished it around 2000, probably eight or no. No, no, it was probably 2012 when I finally finished the gun and haven't done anything to it since okay um, but it's.

Speaker 1: 2:07:44

It's a stainless barrel, it's a. It was built to be a thousand yard plus gun. Um, I've killed animals with it out at 600 plus yards um, it's pretty hard to hit a squirrel yeah, yeah. Well anyway, you hit a squirrel with the 300, like any 30 caliber, and it's just ridiculous.

Speaker 1: 2:08:06

But uh you know, I developed my own loads for that gun. Um, like, for instance, I have a hand load that I did for that gun, that was 150 grain bullet. So so your average 308 grain weight, right, 147 is the average, but that's really, really light for the 300 rum and I had a shit ton of powder behind it and that 150 grain bullet was doing 3,800 feet per second chronographed.

Speaker 3: 2:08:32

What I've always been told is that the really high speed cartridges wear out barrels like crazy oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the barrel life on this gun, especially shooting those um had.

Speaker 1: 2:08:47

I continued just like really going through and what really stopped me was, uh, sandy hook. So sandy hook happened and a you can't get factory ammo for this gun hardly at all anymore, because it's just, and if you do, it's 80 a box.

Speaker 3: 2:09:03

So it's very expensive ammo.

Speaker 1: 2:09:05

Um, but the real I, I stopped shooting a whole bunch, especially on that gun, and started stockpiling. And you know I I haven't been doing the reloading I need to do, but shooting hot rounds out of that gun, um, you know, five to eight thousand rounds is about. As you know, you're gonna start losing accuracy, probably around five thousand rounds on the barrel and you're gonna need to swap it out, and I'm pretty close to that now which is like a normal 308.

Speaker 1: 2:09:36

You can go 20 000 rounds yeah, 15, 20, yeah, yep yep, just adds, but you know, think of this as a sniper rifle. This is a bolt gun. It's not a semi-auto. It's not the same thing, and you know it. It it is one of those things. It's a very flat cartridge. It's designed. If you're using it for a purpose, that's fine. You just have to keep in mind that you're using it for a purpose yeah, that's um but I also have a bagara.

Speaker 1: 2:10:12

Uh, that's also based off of the remington 700 platform, that's in 308, that's a tack driver and, uh, part of the reason why I got the bagara is because I wanted a gun to shoot long range. That, uh, I didn't have to pay for the ammo that I was with 300 rum.

Speaker 1: 2:10:30

Yeah, and you know people ask me why didn't you go six, five, why didn't you do this? Well, because I already had 308s and I already have a bunch of 30 cals and reloading and having one projectile versus an assortment of projectiles is useful and beneficial. But beyond that, um, other than the ballistic coefficient meaning the wind affecting the 65, there's not a lot of actual benefits to 6.5 over .308. Like there's really not. When you look at it, so the wind effect is less because it's got a better ballistic coefficient. But when you look at terminal, so if you shoot a target at 800 plus thousand yards and you look at the terminal ballistics, because of the mass difference with the 308 and everything, 308 is better in a lot of ways, so it wasn't.

Speaker 3: 2:11:23

The other thing is also it wasn't worth adding another cartridge is what I'm saying yeah, but also the drop in distance on the 308. You're going to be having to really crank up the uh, the scope, uh as you get out to those.

Speaker 1: 2:11:38

It's not as big of a difference as you might think between that and the 65 it's like I'm gonna say it was two and a half feet yeah, two and a half feet. When your elevation at a thousand yards is over 20 is not a big difference you're talking less than a 10% difference in drop.

Speaker 3: 2:11:55

Yeah Well, 10% I don't know, I've got a .308 Tikka. That's a tech driver and I've used that gun for hunting. That's my hunting rifle and you know, I think.

Speaker 1: 2:12:11

Tikka's a great gun.

Speaker 3: 2:12:12

Yeah, If you want a gun that's going to be cheaper to run, you get a .308.

Speaker 1: 2:12:22

Still not cheap cheaper, right, and that's the whole thing is. Again, this was the entire point I'm making is the benefits of 6.5 did not outweigh the costs of adding another cartridge when I already had a lot of 308. Yeah right, yeah, like that's something to consider when you're at the scale of operations. I am and I know guys there operations.

Speaker 3: 2:12:50

I know guys that have, uh like, shifted to a cartridge. One guy I know went to get rid of all his 5.56 guns and just switched over to 7.62x39 for everything using the CMMG guys stuff.

Speaker 1: 2:13:13

Makes no sense, but okay.

Speaker 3: 2:13:15

Well, I don't know. I'm sure he could argue with you about why it does make sense. I got both. I'm ambivalent than that. I think there's some pros and cons to each. Uh, sometimes a heavier round is going to be better and sometimes a very fast round is going to be better. Okay, but if, but, if you're going to shoot subsonic.

Speaker 1: 2:13:36

I like a fast, heavier round.

Speaker 3: 2:13:38

If you're going to shoot subsonic, I would definitely go with the 760x39. Sure.

Speaker 1: 2:13:45

Or 300 blackout.

Speaker 3: 2:13:46

Or 300 blackout, but 300 blackout significantly more expensive, yep. So if you're going to standardize on having suppressors, it may make sense to. Why not go 308? Well, okay. So if you're going to standardize on having suppressors, it may make sense. Why?

Speaker 1: 2:13:56

not go 308?.

Speaker 3: 2:13:57

Well, okay, but I mean that's going to be also a lot more expensive and a lot louder.

Speaker 1: 2:14:07

Okay, anyway, 308 cans are available and out there and looking at them.

Speaker 3: 2:14:14

They're available, but there's no subsonic 308.

Speaker 1: 2:14:17

Sure, there is are you sure about that? You can totally make a subsonic 308 round. You're just not going to shoot it out of a semi-auto, you. You're gonna have to do it out of a bolt gun. But absolutely I can. I can sit there and tweak a 308 round to be subsonic, no problem for you.

Speaker 3: 2:14:37

Yeah, I mean, at that point, you're, you're, yeah, you're basically shooting a 300 blackout.

Speaker 1: 2:14:43

Uh yeah Uh, you've got a little more casing and everything else, but one of the things I would also say is, uh, the twist rate on the barrel is going to really matter yeah. And that becomes a lot of problems as well, really matter, yeah, and that becomes a lot of problems as well.

Speaker 3: 2:15:00

um, that's why, when you look at like the 86 and the twist, rates on those barrels are crazy fast because they were trying to stabilize a big projectile that's going subsonic and it's a whole thing but anyway, that's now talk about expensive ammo yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's a what you call a wildcat, cartoon anyway, it's just the YouTube video. Guys can afford that shit yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:15:22

I would like to get there, but I just I'm not ever. I'm not ever gonna try and do that like I would. The only motivation to ever try and become a gun tuber would be access to said guns.

Speaker 3: 2:15:36

Like anything else is just the pain of the ass to get to the guns I, I've uh, I've said this before, I think on the podcast too is if, if I like won the lottery, like this dude that that got 1.2 million in the last lottery uh, I, one of the first things I think it'd be the third thing I would do is start up a either buy or start a class three firearms dealership, because getting access to guns that you can't normally get, you know, we know people who own FFL and everything else.

Speaker 1: 2:16:11

And we could go in with an investment and say, hey, let's expand this. Yeah, do those things, texas, let's expand this?

Speaker 3: 2:16:16

Yeah, we could do those sorts of things too. Get a Texas store open, yeah. Yeah yeah, I mean that's true, but I think that access to the guns that Brandon has would be very cool, but it would have to be only if I won the lottery, because I would get no work done whatsoever. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:16:40

That becomes work.

Speaker 3: 2:16:42

Well, okay, Work for him is shooting the videos. I mean, that's always work. But you know, fucking around with the guns, that's not work. Even building like his AK-50, that's not work.

Speaker 1: 2:16:59

that that is joy you know, I I wonder if he's. I wonder what he's gonna end up doing with that.

Speaker 3: 2:17:09

Is it just over and done and he's satisfied, or I'd love to see somebody like license the design from him well, the video game already copied him yeah, yeah, yeah, that didn't take long no, um, I I think that's it.

Speaker 1: 2:17:26

I mean, and do you really even need to license his design? Well, I mean, it'd be cool, and there's you'd probably license him promoting it or something yeah, it's, sure his likeness sure um I can see palmetto state doing something like that something like that.

Speaker 1: 2:17:42

Yeah, I could see him doing that too now whether or not it should be in 50 cal. No, I can see them scaling down to 308 or you know um. Even 300 wind mag would be cool in an ak platform. Uh, yeah, yeah, speaking of cool long stroke gas piston platforms, that make a lot of sense.

Speaker 3: 2:18:10

Palmetto state finally released the 308 jack that's right, yeah, yeah at at a very good price, a great price point of 1400 bucks for the first.

Speaker 1: 2:18:21

Not a sale, not anything yeah release price, so I I expect to be able to pick one up in a year at a thousand dollars I don't think that'll drop that much.

Speaker 3: 2:18:30

I think they'll probably raise the price and then they'll. These guns will probably hold their price pretty well, unless they unless they're not very good that that would be.

Speaker 1: 2:18:41

It's a competitor to the awi camel and it's a competitor to the scar. So and it's in 308, it looks like a scar.

Speaker 3: 2:18:51

By design, it was meant to look like a scar yeah and the scar is if, for anyone who hasn't looked at prices about four thousand dollars right now, um, and there's a lot of the scar is the gun that anybody that played call of duty is familiar with, because it's the gun you work your way up to getting eventually because it's in 308 and it's a semi-auto.

Speaker 1: 2:19:16

That's fairly accurate and everything else yep which by the way they are doing pinned and welded uh muzzle devices they are. So those are non-nfa okay well, so it's a 14.5 barrel with a pin and welded muzzle device. Yeah, for a suppressor mount that is, and and that's part of the reason why they're selling them with certain suppressor mounts right now. That's good, so you would have to change the barrel out to change the suppressor mount.

Speaker 3: 2:19:42

It makes sense but don't most suppressors use the what was that which they're using an?

Speaker 1: 2:19:49

ar-10 style barrel, so the like. You could immediately go to a 16 inch barrel and put whatever suppressor you want on there like that which but quite frankly, I'm very tempted to do I thought there were most suppressors, most modern ones.

Speaker 3: 2:20:05

All use the same mount anyway no, no, no no no, no no, no, there is no standardized mount.

Speaker 1: 2:20:11

I thought there was, and it sucks hmm, yeah, that's too bad, like I would want surefire's mount, but that's, you know, for others anyway, oh, you're gonna. You're gonna go the expensive route for a suppressor, okay, yeah if I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, right, okay, all right, I think I don't know, I'm I still like the flow through ones.

Speaker 3: 2:20:35

Ever since I watched a few videos on them, I'm like, yep, that seems to be the way to go.

Speaker 1: 2:20:41

Yeah, I don't know man.

Speaker 3: 2:20:44

Really.

Speaker 1: 2:20:45

I need to just get one and get it going.

Speaker 3: 2:20:48

So you know the guy that shot the CEO of the insurance company, who probably deserves it, but that guy I don't think he deserved it, but okay. I may or may not have, but the gun that people thought he had, what he had turned out to be not this gun, but the gun that people thought he had was one that Brandon did a video on, which is a very cool single-shot integrated silenced pistol.

Speaker 1: 2:21:20

Yes, that uses that uses baffles. No, it doesn't use baffles. No, it uses rubber swipes instead Swipes, not baffles that wear out Swipes. Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3: 2:21:30

So basically you shoot through Rubber A bunch of these. I don't know if they're rubber, but they are and they wear out.

Speaker 1: 2:21:38

Yeah, exactly they were.

Speaker 3: 2:21:39

They literally have to be replaced every few hundred rounds so that's the gun that I've been using in um sniper 5, which is a video game so that is the station.

Speaker 1: 2:21:52

Station 6, by the way, is the the gun.

Speaker 3: 2:21:55

Station 6, yeah, so they have that gun in the video game and you can actually take out or add in more swipes in there, which will affect the loudness of the sound coming out of it. But it's interesting. I mean, again, it's not the gun the guy used, but since that gun came up, it's kind of neat to be able to load up a video game that has that in there and actually use it. And you know, you, you watch that the mechanism where you got to turn the back, pull it back to load the next round and push back and twist it again, um, so it's slower, obviously, being a single round or manually. I guess it's manually reload or it's not just cocked, it's manually. Uh, what manually?

Speaker 1: 2:22:49

loaded cycle cycle, that's the word I was looking for so manually we're getting that line of thunderstorms that hit you just oh, you're getting in, so there we go. So that's so, you're let's say we've been on the podcast two hours.

Speaker 3: 2:23:02

Yeah, we've been on for about two hours and 12 minutes, so, uh, that's about how far away traveled and or in that's the amount of time that it took for it to travel the distance between us which, by the way, is moving pretty quick.

Speaker 3: 2:23:15

That means it's moving at like 30 something miles an hour yeah, speaking of um before too long, well, I, I want to get together with you and and uh, swap the stuff that we have for each other, but also, I think, probably in the next three months, I I need to do another rabbit run, which means I'm going to drive through your neck of the woods. Okay.

Speaker 3: 2:23:41

So we'll well, that might be another time to meet up if you're going to be around. Uh, and the rabbit run for people that may not have been listening for that long is something I only do a couple of times a year, but I have a rabbit guy and of course you do sorry I've got a channel darren, since y'all didn't know this week exactly which, by the way, we need to shame darren, I thought unrelenting was unrelenting, but apparently you relented relented.

Speaker 3: 2:24:11

yeah, yeah, darren. Well, you kind of heard on that. He was trying to kind of get out of it already but I said, no, no, no, we're going to do it, we're going to do it. And then he let me know like a day beforehand oh yeah, I've got some personal stuff I got to take care of, so let's skip this week. I'm like, all right, all right, we'll skip it. So we did relented. Uh, I just kind of went along with whatever. But uh, I I go out a couple times a year to this rabbit farm where they breed show rabbits. They're basically rabbits for contests, for 4-h and boy scouts and whoever else does rabbits these days and they have like frozen rabbits that are, you know, they clearly didn't win a show contest and don't get to reproduce and so they're, they're dead and frozen and I buy those for my pet snake now.

Speaker 1: 2:25:13

Did you see the radar image I just sent you? No no, look at signal, because we're I'm about to get hammered and we we've been going for long enough, so probably time to wrap up.

Speaker 3: 2:25:23

Yeah, we're probably, we're probably good.

Speaker 1: 2:25:25

Let me load up signal I probably need to go roll up um my curtains downstairs.

Speaker 3: 2:25:31

They're outside well, that sounds good, ben. Uh, we will. Uh, I'll take a look at the cemetery and then we'll just go ahead and wrap up, and then we will see you next week. Oh and, by the way, if you're still listening now which hopefully you are immediately following this conversation is our new theme song, the full version of it. You heard a little bit up front, so let us know what you think.

Speaker 1: 2:25:54

We're going to change it up here and there because we're not afraid to do that. But the other thing I would say is anyone who has any good ideas of expanding the audience, let us know. Yeah that is the one thing.

Speaker 1: 2:26:06

We would love it for you all to reach out and get other people listening. We've got a consistent group that listens every week. That's pretty involved. We actually have a lot more engagement percentage-wise from our audience than most podcasts and we appreciate that greatly. But we'd like to grow it a little bit and you know any, any, any ideas are welcome, because I'm not very good at self-promotion and jeans being lazy. So there you go, that's fair. That's fair.

Speaker 3: 2:26:37

Well, you're good at self-promotion, I'm not horrible at it, but I am a little lazy, that's true. Yeah, all right guys, we will catch you all on the next one see you later. We'll see you, gene.