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Hi Ben, how are you doing?
Speaker 2:today I'm doing alright, gene. I don't know what to do without my howdy, though, without your. What Howdy? You usually say. Howdy howdy Ben? How are you Today? You said hi.
Speaker 1:I know, I'm just mixing it up a little bit because you know we're doing everything early.
Speaker 2:so Well, early or late, it depends on what you mean, that's true, I guess it depends on your time zone. Oh, what time zone are you in I?
Speaker 1:mean it's late, isn't it? What is?
Speaker 2:it 4, 30 as gene sits in austin. Just makes us think stuff it's late that's all I know, did you watch the video I sent you? Yeah, do you want to talk about that first, sure, or do you want to go ahead?
Speaker 1:Do you want to start off with telling people what the video is about?
Speaker 2:Sure. So you know it was. Oh shoot. What's the podcaster's name? Sean?
Speaker 1:Sean Ryan.
Speaker 2:Sean Ryan. Yeah, sean Ryan apparently got the manifesto of the Trump Tower bomber and kind of interesting. I will say that when he starts talking about the Grovett Drive stuff and everything else, I'm sitting there going okay, an Al-Qubairi drive is possible, but no way in fucking hell in fucking hell. And but you know, if you take that out of it, which could just be disinformation or something added to it for some whatever reason, don't know, the rest of it kind of lines up and makes some sense the biggest thing. Did you watch the whole?
Speaker 1:video yeah, yeah, I watched the whole thing what are your thoughts? Um, if this wasn't in ve, I would just shrug it off with like, yeah, whatever, there's crazy people everywhere, but it was in Vegas.
Speaker 2:Why does that matter?
Speaker 1:You know, a good chunk of Nevada is federal government controlled. Yes, mm-hmm, federal government controlled, yes. So there there's a certain amount of higher credence level that arises when people start talking about stuff that seems preposterous, when when it's somebody that is in in the Nevada area.
Speaker 2:Okay, I don't see that as true. But okay, okay, what was your take? That the guy probably didn't blow it up, that either he's dead and someone did it to try and obfuscate things, or you know, I don't know, maybe tesla truck got taken over and, you know, at the, whatever agency was uh, trying to shut him up or stop him, decided to do it that way. I don't know.
Speaker 1:The first question is, I guess, is do you think that the remains were of the actual guy?
Speaker 2:but well, considering, the dna doesn't match his son, which seems like an odd thing to bring out in all of this. You know, oh well, we know who it was, but the dna doesn't match. Well, what, how do you what? Like it seems to me like no, it's not him, because, you know, if it was him then they wouldn't say anything about the dna mismatch, right? Yeah so I don't know, it seems odd it.
Speaker 1:It does seem odd because initially the dna mismatch with the kid typically would make me think of the the maury povich show or one of those well, that that's exactly what they tried to do for motivation. They said, well, he got some bad news oh, he found out his kids, not his exactly, but realistically it. The second thought was well, it's, it's not that the son's dna is wrong, it's that the guy's dna is wrong, then that is his kid, but that's not the guy in the truck that's certainly my thought yeah, so uh, yeah, that's interesting so I you know, people are calling this a manifesto, but I I don't think that's an appropriate word at all, because
Speaker 2:it's not a manifesto, but in this guy's screed, whatever you want to call it, um, if you take out the gravitic drive stuff that he's talking about which, again, I'm just sitting there going, okay, it's possible that our government has some technology that we don't know about, but gravidic drive, I don't think so, right. So if you take that out, the rest of it sounds completely sane and very plausible to be someone who is pretty in the know of things. Right, um goes over some stuff that makes me think he certainly did, but, um, I don't know that that. That what is your take? Because, again, the gravidic drive thing is what's just throwing me, because other than that, I think it sounds legit I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't have a problem with Gravitic Drive.
Speaker 2:So you think we have Gravitic Drive technology. I don't think you've got it Okay, other than in Elite Dangerous or Star Citizen.
Speaker 3:I use damn things every day. I don't know what you're talking about Other than that.
Speaker 1:I mean, seriously, what's your take on the manifestoo for lack of a better word, not a manifesto, it it was. Um. Well, the impression I got from the guys talking about it was, first of all, you got two guys that were in army special forces that really don't understand technology, including bike graph technology, which I was kind of thought that was funny the critic drive. The first thing that realistically popped into my mind is what is that a code name for? Cause.
Speaker 1:I've worked on a lot of projects with code names that made no sense. Uh, let me phrase it I've worked on a few projects that the code names didn't make any sense and a few where they didn't make some sense.
Speaker 1:So it's um, like it was up to me. All the code names would be hilariously funny, ironic, but clearly I'm not in charge of code names for the us government because they're not. A lot of them are stupid, but I, I heard so. Consequently, this was to me, uh, like I. That's why I say I have no problem with grittic drive, because right, but I'm not thinking literal rivvidic drive okay, I mean the.
Speaker 2:The context of the sentence isn't a code name, though the context of the sentence is that he's describing the function of something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at least not read he's not privy to the actual technical details of that thing. Sure there's nothing to indicate that he was so? Nobody thinks it's a serious technology that only us and china have you know the. The other stuff that he said is that china has been launching drones from submarines on the east coast for a decade now, or something to that effect.
Speaker 1:I don't remember the exact china had a submarine for a decade would be an immediate thought well, it doesn't have to be a chinese submarine this is true but also I really am very interested in in drones that are both capable of being launched aquatically and late enough to be able to have a decent battery life and flying around well, I mean that's an interesting thing well, they don't necessarily have to be released aquatically.
Speaker 2:I mean, it could be the exact same sort of launch mechanism a boomer uses, right, you know, creates this big air bubble to move the missile. That's true up, you know, uh, up and to a certain point, and then the main thrust takes over from there. Could be something very similar to that, yeah, yeah that is true, but either way, it sounds interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sorry, I swallowed a pepper from your hot and sour soup yeah, my hot and sour soup had a pepper in it.
Speaker 2:God damn man how to assassinate a russian.
Speaker 1:You spicy food well, yeah you, you eat a fucking chinese pepper, like while you're doing a podcast I love thai chilies.
Speaker 2:Man, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1:I do too, just not swallowing them whole out of my soup, that's all. I use a lot of spices. I tried a new place today. Yeah, it's actually quite tasty. It's a new kind of Thai slash Vietnamese place. Yeah, and I think I might order there again in the future.
Speaker 2:Good stuff. So I guess we're done with the Trump bomber.
Speaker 1:I mean it's not. I think calling it a Trump bomber is giving it way too much credence.
Speaker 2:It's literally a car bomb goes off in front of the Trump Tower. Sure, you know that happens to be in a Tesla cyber truck, which is right, an interesting choice to send a message.
Speaker 1:Or just a vehicle that's capable of self driving pretty easily.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the, the perpetrator if we buy the media story died in the bombing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but nobody believes that. Okay, yeah, but nobody believes that okay.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know, somebody died somewhere and there was a person that was burned up in a tesla truck. Yeah, I think a lot of people do believe it. Uh, there's been a just to kind of close the circle and listen. Then we can move on to new orleans, I guess. But, um, our talk food, um. You know there have been a lot of posts on x and tiktok of liberals saying that this is service members sending trump and elon a message because they are an enemy um of the state, essentially, and that they're um. You know that their uh pledge, what their oath is, you know, to protect the constitution against enemies, foreign and domestic and they're pointing out right from their point of view, elon and trump are the domestic enemies.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I thought that was an interesting analysis of the events that whole phrase is way overused on television about foreign and domestic yeah yeah, I agree, that is very few people's job.
Speaker 1:most people in the government are bureaucrats, and most people in the government are bureaucrats, and most people in the military are bureaucrats, frankly. Which is something we should handle. But, yes, no, well, we have one of the largest standing armies in the world, if not the largest right now. I don't know if China's bigger in the world, if not the largest right now. I don't know if China's bigger, but you know, in a lot of ways it's a work program.
Speaker 2:It 100% is, and this is what a lot of people don't like to admit. But during times of peace, the US Armed Forces has absolutely been used as a social mobility slash, make work program, mm hmm, and very communistic in that way. Well.
Speaker 1:If you had a population that was OK with having a standing army just in case, that didn't have to keep invading countries but could actually just train without leaving the country, I don't think they'd be in a better shape than they are right now. But if there's no war for too long, people start bitching about too much government spending on the military, which I don't disagree with. But it's usually put under a magnifying glass and literally every other program is ignored, while the military makes up less than 10%. So there's plenty of things to cut, including the military, but not exclusively the military. I mean, that is one of the few legitimate reasons to have a government in the first place.
Speaker 2:Common self-defense yeah, I don't think it necessarily means an army, but a military as far as a Navy, and like our Marine Corps, sure. Armies are for occupation, which is not a defensive action by definition I think I agree to disagree on that one okay sometimes you get invaded, just uh, you know defend yourself yeah, speaking of, given our last episode and my thoughts on uh north american union and the Neo-Monroe doctrine will take us, did you see that Honduras put a huge target on themselves? No.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Honduran president came out and said that if we start deporting Hondurans, that they will shut down the US military bases in Honduras.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which we're going to deport Hondurans and when we do and they try that, it's going to be funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is going to be funny.
Speaker 2:You're right Like there's no way that ends well for honduras.
Speaker 1:there's just not well I don't know if you ever saw the movie bananas. No, doesn't ring bell, okay, no. I believe it was a 1978 movie by woody allen okay, I'm not a big woody allen fan yeah, no, we know,
Speaker 2:something about incestuous pedophiles. It's just not my thing anti-semitic stuff there.
Speaker 1:But that's right.
Speaker 2:No, it's really anti-semitic and it's not. If you say me not liking woody allen A his humor is just stupid and B he's a pedophilic, incestuous pedophile, then whatever. If that's being anti-Semitic, then what does that say about Semites?
Speaker 1:It says that you're anti in semitic mostly, but anyway. So in this film the premise is that, uh, woody allen ends up in a banana republic, which is why it's called bananas one of those generic central american slash island places, and and he gets kidnapped by the communist rebels.
Speaker 1:Okay, and they're trying to fight the you know plantations or whatever and he has I can't remember. It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but something brings up this idea. That boy, you know, if you guys could live here but just make a few more dollars, you wouldn't have to be fighting with everybody or you wouldn't want communism. And so he gets this idea that the the best way to get financial aid to the country is to declare war on the United States, have the United States come in and take over, and then that brings a huge amount of money down to the country and everybody will be better off for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, family Guy did this better, family Guy did this 25 years later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but better, you don't know you haven't seen the movie. It's Woody Allen allen, I can guess oh my god, yeah, I'm gonna shift from anti-semitism to just plain old racism pretty soon here.
Speaker 2:Anyway, he uh how is it racist I'm sorry, wait, wait, gene are you? Going on the record of saying jews aren't white.
Speaker 1:I'm saying that you're calling out somebody that happens to be a Hollywood director, and you can't be calling out Hollywood directors, because they're all Jews.
Speaker 3:But you're saying I'm racist. Is that simple enough? Luckily I am not.
Speaker 1:Burnetti and I do not give a shit about how are you calling him out as a pedophile, given the rest of hollywood?
Speaker 2:excuse me oh, I would call them all out, but I just don't like him.
Speaker 1:But he's very open about it yeah, that's because he didn't do anything wrong, so uh, wouldn't it his niece? No, it's his wife's uh foster child. There's zero relations there, oh like this is a asian girl imported into the country by his ex-wife that's just so weird the only weird part about it is that obviously they knew each other when she was under 18, but also they didn't do anything while she was 18 according to right so, yeah, um, and man, his, the, the, the girl's stepmom, his wife, is one of those ultra liberals that uh shrieks when her mouth opens, although she's pretty hot looking back in the day, which is not, I guess, that unusual.
Speaker 1:Anyway, the point of the movie is you basically declare war in the US, you get the US military coming in, taking over your country, but in the process Bringing in money, bringing it to a much higher level of wealth, right, getting rid of a lot of the poverty. And the funny bits about the movie is that he immediately becomes elected the president of that country. So he was just trying to, you know, kind of talk his way out of being kidnapped by the rebels. The rebels win, they take over the local government and end up electing him as the president, el presidente, of the country. And so he has to go meet with the United States to surrender to the United States. And he's putting on this complete fake Castro looking beard because obviously he's a US citizen with a New York accent and he's pretending to be this leader of this country.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I thought it was pretty damn funny movie back when I saw it and I've seen a couple times, I didn't just see it when it came out. I saw it after that, but uh, woody allen's early work tended to be more of the really more of the stuff you like, which is more of like three stooges and why you you know what I do like the three I know you said you like them.
Speaker 2:That's why I bring them up, because you said you like them yeah, but you know that's not like high humor, it's not exactly like that's my point correct, but I do like high humor as well.
Speaker 3:Right, you're trying to you wouldn't know that if you if?
Speaker 1:you look at the shit you send me, because all the shorts you send me are not high humor no, but it's also twitter dude.
Speaker 2:It's like boo. You are not high humor. No, but it's also Twitter dude. It's like boobs. You expect any high humor off of Twitter?
Speaker 1:You don't have to send me shit from Twitter, dude.
Speaker 2:But if it's funny, I'm.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, Whatever I mean, some of it is marginally funny, but some of it like it stopped being funny when you graduated high school level stuff.
Speaker 2:Anyway, my point is on you. I didn't graduate high school well, there you go.
Speaker 1:That's, uh, proves my point once again. You keep, you keep throwing yourself under the bus. At some point I'm gonna have to stop the damn bus. That's all good anyway. So a funny movie premise, yes, uh, plot I'm sure that family guy wasn't the only ones that did that as well, yeah, but that could be an idea that they're actually doing down there. It's like, hey, let's piss off the gringos up north, and then we will. They'll be forced to come here with larger numbers and spend more money with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, possibly, but anyway, I just thought it was interesting because, yeah, come here with larger numbers and spend more money with us? Yeah, possibly, but anyway, I just thought it was interesting because, yeah, first of all, what they're setting themselves up for is nothing good, because what's going to happen is they're going to say we want to shut down these bases, the us is going to go, ha no, and nothing's going to happen. And if they try and force the issue, then there is your um, uh, what is it? Oh, yeah, but I'm not caveat mtor. Uh, there's a something bellum, cassie bellum, meaning a purpose for war. Yeah, um, but you know. There there's your, your lead-in to. Well, honduras is corrupt and they're trying to do this.
Speaker 1:We're going to take them over they're now we did it in panama we definitely did in panama as well, yeah it's true.
Speaker 2:So there you go um. Anyway, I'm just saying my little thoughts on uh. You know the whole uh expansionist empire building america is playing out nicely in line, so we'll see I.
Speaker 1:I think, if, if trump wants to create a legacy, that would be a hell of a legacy, and I've said this before if he manages to add any actual permanent new territory to the united states, his face needs to replace one of the faces on mount rushmore, and I'm pretty sure you know which one I know which one I vote for, that's right, it's one everybody votes for uh, I don't think everybody would vote for lincoln anyone's got a brain in their heads well, how many of those people do you know?
Speaker 1:uh, I know more than my share all right.
Speaker 2:Well, I think the general population is, uh, not gonna go necessarily along with that. But yeah yeah, so anyway. Uh, what did you think of the new orleans issue?
Speaker 1:um well, because at first they were calling it a terrorist attack. And then they realized he was black whoops, not a terrorist text, no no, the fbi is calling it an incident I thought it would turn out to be a gay flag on that car. That was my prediction okay um, well, and and we don't really know, because the flag's been covered up the whole time and I still haven't seen any video clips but it was isis gene, no no at all.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen any clips of that truck in motion with the flag unfurled, but, jean, the chief of police said it and you know she doesn't have any sort of furtive past or anything.
Speaker 1:Oh, and did you see? Yeah, the chief of police is this crusty black broad. No, she's old and white actually she looks pretty black, and then the FBI agent in charge is like a 20 year old black chick with a bunch of piercings yeah, the new orleans chief of police is an old white lady I think you're assuming her, uh, her race yeah, she was in california and ran over someone and that's why, uh, she got fired from oakland.
Speaker 2:You didn't know that? No, she literally ran over someone in Oakland or two people in. Oakland to the point where the police commission said they had lost faith in her and fired her for cause.
Speaker 1:Jesus In California that takes a lot.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Anyway, she is totally white.
Speaker 1:Well, let's just say, we don't know. I just sent you a picture of her.
Speaker 2:She's pretty effing white, but anyway, yeah, I think it's interesting that we had the two incidents occur. Very, how do we say this back to back? Yeah, how do we say this back-to-back, you know? And as a result, I think it's pretty interesting that you've got to ask yourself okay, was this planned to be back-to-back like this, or are these separate and independent things? If you believe what we were just talking about with the manifesto, they're definitely independent, but what a coincidence. So maybe the New Orleans thing was a six-week cycle out with the manifesto. They're definitely independent, but what a coincidence. So maybe the new orleans thing was a six-week cycle. That's just the way it uh happened. You know, cool, maybe not, who knows?
Speaker 1:well, you saw what I posted immediately after the incident, like an hour later. Right, yes, take the trucks of, of course, yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that this is a perfect opportunity for Congress to finally get off their back quarters and start acting like politicians to pass a law against assault. Vehicles have no business place in the hands of American citizens. These vehicles were not designed to be driven to McDonald's. They were not designed to be driven to work. These are special purpose built vehicles, created to provide the type of mass that is only necessary for incidents like this, and it's pretty obvious. So the fact that they're still allowed is, frankly, a testament to politicians not doing their job. I'm paraphrasing myself, but that was the gist of what I posted immediately.
Speaker 1:And then I said too soon, which I don't think anyone really cared.
Speaker 2:I don't think very few people or very many people got the.
Speaker 1:You think I thought everybody would get it. It was so damn obvious. Okay, you got it right. Or did you not get it? Oh, I got it. I got you Okay, okay All right, because you know there's another word you can substitute for vehicle in there, and it's literally exactly what they say every time something happens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1:I'm trying.
Speaker 2:By the way, we have got to get another download in North America ASAP.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay. Do you see North America? I do it's right on schedule.
Speaker 2:For those that are listening, north America is showing 666 downloads on the last episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you expect, ben? Not that hey, buzzsprout, can you make sure that there's never a 666 anywhere, right, uh-huh? Oh, fuck, yeah, oh, that's pretty funny. So, um, yeah, so yeah, I don't know, man. I mean we had one of these in a parade in Michigan. What a year ago, or two years ago. Whatever it was.
Speaker 1:The fact that there aren't more incidents like this, frankly, is surprising to me, because everybody and their brother-in-law drives a vehicle that is capable of mass murder and I'm not being funny right now, I mean, this is just to prove facts like even a small car can easily kill more than one person, and I don't mean the ones inside the vehicle.
Speaker 1:I mean people outside the vehicle, the the reaction time of a person, especially one who's looking at their phone and has headphones jacked in, is not sufficient enough to get them out of the way of a vehicle heading towards them without the vehicle trying to not hit them. So the fact that we haven't had this happen more frequently is actually somewhat surprising, because it takes no skill. You don't have to build a bomb, you don't have to do anything. You just get in a car and you become a mass murderer.
Speaker 2:Oh, come on now, Gene. This took years of planning with ISIS. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Well, so are they still trying to maintain that there's a ISIS flag in the back?
Speaker 2:Yes, have they shown the in the back?
Speaker 1:Yes, have they shown the flag at all? No, no, they're just saying that there was something that was covered by a bag was obviously a nicest flag, but maybe won't be a nicest flag because they've decided it's no longer a terrorist act.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Even though the FBI announced that it was a terrorist act. Yeah, even though the FBI announced that it was a terrorist act. Yeah, I don't know man, I just feel like there's.
Speaker 2:It's like World War II history. I don't know the truth. I just know I'm being lied to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I don't think you need to limit it to World War II. I mean, that's generally the state of being in most countries you know a little bit more about. The closer it is to you, the more you know about it. The further it is from you, the less reliable information is, including from quote-unquote, reliable sources. Okay, so I don't know. I don't have any great conspiracy theories about this one. I don't really even have any about the Vegas one, other than I don't think that the fact that it was a Cybertruck, and this one, incidentally, was a Ford Lightning Electric as well, so both of these were electric vehicles.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I don't think that this indicates there's some kind of group targeting electrical vehicles and trying to prevent people from driving electrical vehicles. I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't see a conspiracy like that yeah, I, I don't think it was a conspiracy to do anything with the electric vehicles, other than maybe the tesla being a sending a message to elon and the ford lightning, I think, was just what was rented.
Speaker 1:Um, but that's me yeah, and we've seen other vehicles in the past that have exploded um, like oklahoma city, for example, and um you know this, this explosion in the Cybertruck really more than anything serves as an ad for the Cybertruck, that is true. So maybe Elon planted this whole thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe Elon's the bomber.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like hey Trump, do you mind if I blow up one of my vehicles to show how bomb-proof it is in front of your hotel?
Speaker 2:It'll literally contain the explosion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no one will get hurt except the guy inside yeah, yeah, pretty sure it was already dead uh, a guy inside, yes, but he won't actually be hurt, yeah, and we'll demonstrate that even when the vehicle blows up our batteries don't. So, uh, I don't know, man, it's, uh, I have no idea. I have no idea, but, like, unless and until this happens every week, I find it hard to call this terrorism well, we will see.
Speaker 2:You know, uh, that that podcast I sent you, sean ryan's uh sounds excited.
Speaker 1:Man, this is gonna be a bloody 2025 this is gonna be a big growth year for him.
Speaker 2:He's gonna be able to expand his business tremendously well, especially if that manifesto he released or that statement he released turns out to be accurate, then, yeah, it will be a banner year for him so let's say, just for the sake of argument, that, uh, that we as a country did have access to something that may be mistaken for a grav drive type technology.
Speaker 1:Do you think that we ought to be A showing that off in our military parades, B keeping it secret, or? C pretending like we have it, even though the project has been falling way behind and over budget?
Speaker 2:Well, historically, what we do is keep it secret for a very long time until we roll it out in a conflict Like, if you remember the first, you know, stealth aircraft. Uh, the first time the public knew anything about it was during, um, the Iraq war, and, uh, 19. Yeah, desert storm. Uh, like knew anything about it was during um the iraq war in 19. Yeah, desert storm that was the first roll out of that. Yeah, it was very cool.
Speaker 1:I was very excited yeah, saddam was not no, I'm sure he wasn't. But even without the stealth aircraft he wouldn't have been very excited.
Speaker 2:Agreed, agreed. But the point is that you know, typically what we do is we reserve it for some sort of action. Now with the B-2, since that wasn't as novel of a technology we didn't, but any true brand new, novel technology we usually keep fairly tight to the chest for a very long time. Look at the Blackbird, look at the U-2, look at the u2 yeah, um you know, but I think the f-117s were.
Speaker 1:They were right out of video games and mainly because video games didn't have very many pixels back then.
Speaker 2:So they had a lot of straight lines and that's why the uh 117 had the. That it did, because that was what the computer could calculate.
Speaker 1:But it was also a very unique looking aircraft. So it doesn't even matter if we would consider it pretty by today's standards, the way that we still consider the Blackbird to be pretty.
Speaker 2:The F-117 was not a pretty aircraft it was not pretty aircraft.
Speaker 1:It was not pretty but it was unique. It was interesting because it was new and there wasn't anything else flying that looked like it, it's, it's. It's kind of like seeing a ufo and going that thing shouldn't be able to fly, that thing should fall. Yeah, the same kind of reaction for the f-117 yeah, and they're still in service ish what are they using for training?
Speaker 2:they're technically retired, but they, uh, they have special. It's like the warthog, they're still reserved for special missions and things like that you know, well, I always thought it was interesting. Yeah, so gene, happy new year. Weird and interesting. So, gene, happy New.
Speaker 1:Year man. Oh yeah, I guess this is for sure post-New Year. Happy New Year to you as well, my friend.
Speaker 2:What did you eat on New Year's Day?
Speaker 1:Chinese oh.
Speaker 2:God damn it. You realize you're in the South now, Gene.
Speaker 1:Yes, should I have eaten fried chicken.
Speaker 2:No, you have our greens greens of some kind. I chose mustard personally because that's my favorite, but greens are cabbage and you have to have some black eyed peas. Where's that come from? So the entire idea is if you eat poor on new year's day, you'll eat well the rest of the year. I'm trying to go the opposite direction. Well, it'll bring you luck and prosperity.
Speaker 1:Well, it'll bring me less fat if I eat worse on the rest of the year than I did on the first day.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, anyway, I made a pot. I've always had black-eyed peas and either cabbage or greens, but usually as side dishes for whatever else I was having.
Speaker 1:I saw that I thought it was like a soup made of black eyed peas.
Speaker 2:Kind of was, and this is the first time I've ever made this dish and man, this was. I will make this outside of New Year's.
Speaker 1:How long did you cook it? Oh, just, it took me a couple hours.
Speaker 2:All right, yeah, that's about right, yep but anyway, what I did was I took some pancetta and some sausage, some andouille and some other sausage, mm-hmm, brown that in the bottom of the pot, set it aside and then I put in a mirepoix so carrots, celery, onion, some bell pepper stuff like that, sautéed them and then I put my beans in that had been soaking for a few hours, along with some chicken broth and bone broth, not chicken stock, actual bone broth.
Speaker 1:You didn't use any roux.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't need to. It was plenty thick, I did not need to think the pancetta did it, yes, and anyway cooked that down and then I wilted some mustard greens and some garlic and some of the fat from the pancetta and sausage and then put that in there, and I didn't even hardly season it, man, just the flavors from everything. Hardly season it, man, just the flavors from everything. I've been eating on it for days, and I had a bowl tonight for dinner, as a matter of fact.
Speaker 1:It was good. Yeah, there's somebody I was watching the other day.
Speaker 2:Kids loved it too.
Speaker 1:I had realized that they were in hell because there was no garlic anywhere. Like you couldn't get garlic, I was like this is clearly hell. Yes, this cannot be either heaven or the earth, because, uh, if, if garlic does not exist, then it's but I know that it exists.
Speaker 2:It was not just a dream, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Why'd you watch the same thing?
Speaker 2:no, but that's I, I get it, I fully get it. Yeah, dude, I use so much garlic in my cooking. Garlic's great. It is such onions, yeah such a good.
Speaker 1:Uh, I don't know what do we call it vegetable? I guess technically it grows in the ground.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, anyway, I would just recommend, if anyone wants to try, that. It's a easy, quick recipe and it is good, it's very good. Like, like I said, even my kids liked it. After they, they kind of looked at it like what the hell is this dad? You know there's green things in this. What is this? And?
Speaker 1:then they ate it, and they both loved it.
Speaker 2:So there you go, yeah well it's there's no cornbread to go with it.
Speaker 1:It was I saw the cornbread too, that that was cool. Yeah, um, I very, very, very rarely eat cornbread because it's like pure carbohydrates, but I still know what it tastes like bread yeah, but cornbread is like a heavy bread, you know. I mean, yeah, it's delicious. It is delicious, that's what I'm saying. I still remember what it tastes like, even though I I eat well this was a honey corn bread and it was damn good fuck, that's so good no uh, now you're making my, you're making my damn blood sugar go up just talking about this shit man, yeah well
Speaker 3:yeah, anyway, it was good, yeah, so yeah, happy new year to everybody happy new year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, welcome to 2025 I uh started off with a bang already yeah you know, I'm just reminded of the babylon five intro intro. It was the year well, you saw that I made a song for that right yeah, well, the 2025 song, the Agenda 2025. No, no, no. The Babylon. I literally used lyrics from Babylon and I turned it into a country western song and I sent it to you. You must have heard it.
Speaker 2:Right, but I thought it was just the Babylon 5 lyrics. I didn't realize you changed them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. No, it was just the Babylon 5 lyrics. It wasn't 2025. No, you got to make one for 2025.
Speaker 2:Not, oh, you're saying, make one for that okay, yeah, yeah come on, you're. You're mr jewish music producer about to put out his first.
Speaker 1:Hey, hey yeah, I got enough stuff for an album. I might have even a couple in there. I've been cranking them out left and right and you've been hearing some of the better ones. I haven't sent you everything, but I sent you a good chunk of them, but, uh, I think that there's some good music there.
Speaker 2:I uh, I think that certainly there's enough there for, uh, a thematic album now and the beauty of it is, uh, nothing's copyrighted, so I can copyright it yeah, I mean you can't copyright the lyrics that you're taking from uh, you know, but no, anybody can use the lyrics, for sure, but I can copyright that presentation music. Yeah sure but as soon as someone has an ai, generate something different.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah yeah for sure. Yeah, they can copy the lyrics, they can make a cover of it. That sounds differently, for sure, and and I'm frankly, I think that's the way it ought to be. I, I'm a believer in very light copyright uh, I don't, yeah, I don't think it should be eliminated completely, but I think that it is way too overwhelming at this point.
Speaker 2:Well, it shouldn't outlive the author.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think like five years is plenty, frankly.
Speaker 2:I mean, make it the same as a patent. If you're going to go that short, I think a patent shouldn't last more than five years.
Speaker 1:Okay, the original point of a patent is to allow enough time for the inventor to be able to make money off a product and recoup their investment prior to competition from other people, and five years is sufficient for that. You don't need 20 years for that.
Speaker 2:It depends on how long it takes you to perfect.
Speaker 1:If it takes you that long, then don't fucking do it, okay, okay, I'm telling you. Whether it's copyright or patent, I'm an advocate for shorter terms. I don't think that these things should be eliminated, but I do think that the terms need to be shorter okay, so I want to talk two guns with you oh, here we go, let's get that finger card checked off yeah, did you see the new henry rifle?
Speaker 2:I did, but mostly because you sent it to me dude. I want them to make it out in a different caliber. Right now it's five, five, six or three black out no three, black. That's not bad, that's a seven six two yeah, yeah, yeah, well, anyway, uh, I want it in a cartridge that I already have. But this is a lever action magazine fed not tube fed magazine.
Speaker 2:That's a lever action with excuse me, with a threaded barrel already ready to go for a suppressor and scope mount. Holy shit, where has this been all my life?
Speaker 1:well, you realize, this is really something that that is for california uh no, because it's magazine fed yeah, 10 round magazines yeah, okay well and manual. Uh, it's not a semi-automatic, so it's not going to get banned on under all I'm one for.
Speaker 2:Just I know, because I'm a cool gun, I get it. It's a cool gun. I've always like cowboy man it's total.
Speaker 1:Well, if it had you had carbon fiber instead of wood, it'd be space cowboy.
Speaker 2:Which I guarantee you, someone is already doing that right now?
Speaker 1:Yeah, there'll be kits available for that. The problem with Henry rifles in my experience, and the reason I don't own one, is that they're like $1,500 to $1,800.
Speaker 2:They're very expensive for what they are. Yeah. But it's okay, now that Henry's done this, someone else is going to come out with a pattern that'll be very similar, and we know who?
Speaker 1:Palmetto Armory, palmetto State.
Speaker 2:Armory. No, I don't think they will right away, but definitely one of the Turkish manufacturers will.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah With those guys. Yeah, they already make magazine shotguns, so it wouldn't take much for them to go to a smaller cartridge. They already make lever actions. Yeah, I think I've seen some. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, but I would love to own a Henry.
Speaker 2:It's one of those things that they're expensive for what they are.
Speaker 1:yes, it's function. It's just too much money for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I was drooling over it, so I figured I'd make you drool over it too. It's, you know, it's a nice gun Now the other thing they could have done too, is use the magazine design that was used on the Calico that I used to have the helical, the helical magazine. So it would be about more of the thickness of a shotgun front end?
Speaker 2:yeah, but then it would be heavy but it would hold 50 rounds dude but it would be heavy because forward it is quite, forward is heavy yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, you could have a second one as a spare mag in the back to balance things just. It's an 11-pound rifle, just like it's supposed to be. By the way, there was somebody speaking of rifles. There was somebody that put out a video critiquing the military's decision to go to the new SIG rifle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I sent it to you.
Speaker 1:No, I think I randomly ran across this video. Okay and well, it may have been a different one than you sent me, but the guy is like saying, yeah, there's no reason for it, you're giving up too many. You know you're walking with a smaller loadout for the same weight. The magazines are 20 rounds instead of 30. He's like going down listing all negatives on this and, of course, my response is like the us military is a bunch of pussies.
Speaker 2:Your grand grand or your your great grandfathers were happy shooting a 30 out, 30, 30, yeah, no, 30 out. Six. The m1 garan was a 30 out yeah, 30, there you go 30-06.
Speaker 1:Which is a? What is that 68 uh millimeter cartridge?
Speaker 2:it is a full power cartridge that is a that so, like of the 30 of the three 30 calibers, right, yep, you've got a 300 wind mag being the lowest lowest a .300 Weatherby Mag, then a .30-06, and then my .300 Rum. Like .30-06 is a very powerful cartridge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a real rifle cartridge. Yeah, so your great-grandparents had that. And then we moved to the .308 cartridges and those in world war ii, and then 30.6 was world war ii. Well, it was 308. I thought 308s were in no uh 308 didn't come in until the m1.
Speaker 2:Uh, m1a, yeah, what was that? And um yeah, the the m14 or it wasn't m1414?.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, m14.
Speaker 2:So the M14, you know, was the 308 variant and that is still in use today to some extent, but 308 didn't come in until after Korea.
Speaker 3:Really yeah, and the M14 had a very, very very short service life.
Speaker 2:It never got fully deployed, yeah, 1957.
Speaker 1:So you're right, so that was after World War II, but so 308.
Speaker 2:Hello, Gun Topic.
Speaker 1:And then still got to check you. And then we had the 556 cartridge and designed for specific reasons, but yet everybody knows. If you've ever read any special forces books from the vietnam era, you know that all the spec ops guys picked up a case no, or they ran three owners, or they, what are? They ran 308 m1as yeah, yeah, but they, but they weren't running the uh, the five, the main.
Speaker 2:Main reason, though, wasn't the round, it was the non-chrome-lined barrels in the jungle. Atmosphere rusting and causing malfunctions and a lot of issues which, by the Gen 2s which got rolled out towards the end of Vietnam, a lot of those issues were fixed.
Speaker 1:Well, there's other issues too. Is that in the the bamboo jungle, the 556 cartridge? Just gets tossed around, yeah, yeah, it hits anything it's going to get anything like literally a bamboo that you can crack with your hand is going to fuck with that cartridge.
Speaker 2:So well, it's going to deflect it to an extent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's gonna not make it hit where you're shooting exactly. So there there's a how much it's deflected.
Speaker 2:It's going to depend on what it's hitting, but sure, of course and what angle?
Speaker 1:uh, yes, but the my point being is that we kept going to lighter cartridges and we had some rationale behind them, like one of the things was that it's better to wound a soldier than to kill a soldier, yeah, yeah, I mean soldier, yeah, yeah, I mean, that's about the actual ammunition. But if you don't necessarily want to kill somebody, you don't want to be shooting a .50 caliber cartridge at them, right? You want to shoot something small and fast.
Speaker 2:The thought process was it was better to wound an enemy because then it takes that enemy off the battlefield as well as whoever's helping him. Yep, absolutely, that was the math of it. And then they realized well, that works until you go up against an opponent that doesn't give a shit about their own people and you know uh is going to fight on their terms in their way so it makes total sense from to me why we went to the six five, but you mean six eight.
Speaker 3:Uh, yeah, yeah six eight six five was the old one that was the old one, right?
Speaker 1:no, what was the six five?
Speaker 2:the six, five creedmoor, six, five grendel, which six, five grendel wasn't there the us military has never used a 6.5.
Speaker 1:Really I thought they had.
Speaker 2:Nope, not outside of Spec Ops. Same way, they've never used a 300 blackout outside of Spec Ops.
Speaker 1:But the 6.5 Grendel came out of a bid for a military program.
Speaker 2:No, that was the 6.8 SPC and SPC2 that I had ARs in.
Speaker 1:It was actually going to be an upgrade. Yeah, it was going to be an upgrade to the AR-15.
Speaker 2:So it was going to be a short, still a short cartridge, just a little longer than the 5.56. So it could fire out.
Speaker 2:Basically, it would be a bolt and barrel change on your existing AR platform and you'd be good to go, which the 6.8 had a really cool range because you could go as light as a 90 grain bullet, doing close to 3,000 feet per second, all the way to like a 180 grain bullet being subsonic. So it was a pretty versatile round, but it lot of it just never caught on and that's the reason why I don't have them anymore. It's a great cartridge but very expensive at this point even for loading uh, no, because the 6.8 is the same as a 270, so you've got bullets out there, it's not?
Speaker 1:well, it's not a wildcat car.
Speaker 2:How much it costs um because it's a I, I don't um. I want to be able to buy in bulk at this point in time in my life.
Speaker 1:Fair enough, yeah, you don't want to crank them out in bulk, correct?
Speaker 2:now a gun like my 300 rum. I've kept it in. You know, if I go to buy a box of ammo for that, that's $80 plus for that box.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you should sell that gun, why? There's got to be somebody that would love to buy that.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sure I could definitely sell that gun, but I will keep it because it's a specialty cartridge for me and it's one that I can sit there and reload and I'm never going to shoot a thousand rounds a year out of that gun. If I shoot a box a year out of that gun now it's a lot.
Speaker 1:Does that cartridge have a pretty flat trajectory, then tremendously it's a very, very flat cartridge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, if you had 150 grain bullet, you're doing over 3,500 feet per second even with a moderate load. A 180-grain bullet, you're still doing right around 3,000 feet per second. I mean that's huge. It's very fun. How many foot-pounds? Well, that's speed, and mass.
Speaker 1:So I'd have to do the math in my head and I'm not going to do that right now.
Speaker 2:You don't remember, okay, no, not off the top of my head. All right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, I could see. Yeah, there's not a huge reason as long as you're going to still have enough bullets in stock. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So question for you what semi-automatic guns do you have? Semi-automatic guns, do you have semi-automatic pistols? Do you have right now? Uh, the ones that I can remember, don't really want as a pistol that you're kind of like.
Speaker 1:Oh, I see, um, what am I willing to convert? Is what you're asking. Yeah, um, I would probably buy a new one for that. I don't think I would take any, because all my pistols were purchased for a specific reason.
Speaker 2:Okay, you wouldn't convert your Glock Gen 1?.
Speaker 1:No, the Glock Gen 1 at this point is a museum piece. I mean, I can still shoot it. It's in fully working order. But the only reason I have that gun is because I've shot over 60 000 rounds through it, like that's a personal memorabilia thing okay, well, uh.
Speaker 2:So cca gear up um. Has the white version of the mck 2.0 which is what I just got.
Speaker 1:You know my color I do in white yeah, on sale, so I would need to get a white pistol then, so everything matched in one of these white conversion kits uh-huh well, make a gun that nobody can see yeah, yeah, anyway, I got a.
Speaker 2:I got an mck 2.0.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for my dagger, because my dagger is kind of just a it's a range toy. I take it out. I don't really like glocks. Uh, the dagger made some changes to the glock pattern that I liked and I wanted something that would take glock magazines other than my ruger. So I I got it and anyways, I haven't shot it, haven't shot it, haven't shot it. And this mck platform came out a while back and it went on sale, so I finally picked it up and I got it in yesterday, dude, I assembled it, put everything in, and I gotta say this is going to be a truck gun for me at this point that's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, I'm glad it's gonna be practical. Practical, not just a toy.
Speaker 2:Number one. It folds up very tight, compact package and this would be a get-home gun if need be, because it gives you a little bit of extra stability, you can still shoot it just like a pistol.
Speaker 1:How long is the barrel?
Speaker 2:The barrel doesn't change. Okay, so it's whatever came with your gun correct, but you can put a suppressor or a extended barrel on this. So if you wanted to put a like seven and a half inch barrel, on on it. You absolutely could, and it wouldn't make the gun any longer right now yeah if you wanted to go, uh, you can go up to an inch at 1.38 uh diameter suppressor on it. So if you want to suppress it, you can do that without really making it a whole lot longer, depending on how long your suppressor is, of course, um which, by the way that yankee hell.
Speaker 2:I sent you some info. One last night was exactly what I was looking at for this.
Speaker 1:How much was it? $550. That's not a bad price.
Speaker 2:Plus tax stamp and everything else. Now it's a .45 caliber pistol suppressor. But that's got the Nielsen device in it. That's everything, yada, yada yada. So all in right at $800 after tax stamp and trust and all your shit, yeah, but anyway, it's a very, very neat concept.
Speaker 2:You can take the firearm in and out, depending on the firearm, like on the Gen 3 and older Glocks, you have two choices. You can either replace the back plate for the charging handle or, if you have a stock slide, they have a thing that can slip over the slide and use the slide serrations for the charging handle.
Speaker 1:Oh, really Okay.
Speaker 2:But for non-stock slides you have to use the back plate, which is fine. So, the back plate's more secure anyway. But anyway, it is a neat, neat firearm.
Speaker 1:Well, neat, neat chassis that I put my firearm into, and then what is the aiming solution in there?
Speaker 2:Like what do I have right now?
Speaker 1:Well, what do you want in there? What are you going to put on?
Speaker 2:uh, right now I've got flip up sights okay, that are on there.
Speaker 1:Um, I do have a I'm sorry are you putting out a red dot or you're going to leave those?
Speaker 2:I have a red dot um that was on this pistol uh that's a uh holosun 407c. It's in a couple generations old at this point, but whatever, I've got it. And I uh got a pick rail to rmr, but it's too low so I'm waiting on a new pick rail to rmr to come in to put it on there. Um, so I'll have that red dot that was on this pistol anyway, on it. And then they have a flashlight mount in the front of the gun in the front of the chassis.
Speaker 2:Rather, that is somewhat proprietary, which is just silly because it takes this proprietary insert for you know what is an O-light? Which is fine, but instead and I've got a bunch of the O lights that'll fit in it. So instead of ordering the flashlight, I actually ordered the laser and. I will actually sidemount the laser and then put one of my O lights in there. So yeah, you've got many, many options. But it's neat, it's ergonomic, it feels good, it's not super heavy, it it folds up.
Speaker 1:I sent you the pictures it folds up, I know, way more compact than I would have expected yeah, it looked like it was pretty, it just wasn't pretty what makes it pretty being white? No, it's an aesthetic thing. Okay, it just kind of felt like like it just folded.
Speaker 2:It wasn't really like they didn't design the back portion to be seamless with the front when folded okay, well, look at the micro roni, uh, and the gen 3 then, if you want something a little bit more refined, I've seen the video on the micro-only that one looks a little cleaner yeah, and the gen 3s.
Speaker 2:Look at the dream 3, mck as well, and some of the others. I went with the gen 2 because it looked fine to me. It's got the form and function. The gen 3 is just a little sleeker, um, and I don't care about it being necessarily sleeker, so that's fine and it was on sale. That's the whole point.
Speaker 1:Right right, right, and it holds an extra magazine up front as well.
Speaker 2:Correct. And the entire point is if this is going to be a truck gun, if this is going to be something that gets banged around, or, excuse me, potentially used for certain situations or stolen.
Speaker 1:It's not an under the dinner jacket gun for you. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:This is a tool that, if something happens to it, I'm not going to be upset about, because in the end it's a tool and I wouldn't be upset about losing any firearm. But if something were to happen to this, I wouldn't be financially devastated.
Speaker 1:For any of these kits, I would think that the main actual function is an improved accuracy.
Speaker 2:No, it doesn't really change the accuracy of the firearm, it changes the shootability. So, for instance, I'm a serviceable pistol shot, but I'm no mickleck right I am nobody's mickleck that, yeah, but the guy's arms don't move when he shoots I understand. That's why he's a robot he's a literal robot, and so is his daughter.
Speaker 1:Oh my god yeah, she's about four foot nine and shoots like your dad yes, which he's not a super tall guy either, but yeah, not.
Speaker 2:Anyway, the point is I'm not a great pistol shot. I'm. I'm decent, right, I you know I can. I can hit a eight inch steel target from 25 30 yards away from a draw, no problem, right. But as far as like tack driver accuracy, that's where I am better with a rifle. But the point is, having three points of contact makes someone who's not a great pistol shot a much better shot well, literally what I said.
Speaker 1:You're going to be more accurate shooting it with this thing More precise would be the word Okay, Mr Redditor.
Speaker 2:Sorry.
Speaker 1:It's actually, it's the same thing. You could say accurate.
Speaker 2:No, accuracy is you put something in a lead sled, you fire it at the target, and accuracy is how close it came to hitting the same spot each time. Precision is hitting the spot you want to hit the first time Literally two different meanings of the words.
Speaker 1:Freedom from mistake or error. Accuracy that's the meaning I was using. Okay, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay, hey, hey, you're the one who wanted me to get pedantic here well, anyway I I just don't think you're using it correctly, but literally the different. The number one meaning of the word in the uh correct, but you don't actually mean accuracy, you mean mean precision. Precision is the word you want to use. I could use precision.
Speaker 2:Precision and accuracy do not mean the same thing.
Speaker 1:I know that, but accuracy works, okay. Precision, yeah, I mean I'm looking at the word precision here Okay, that works. Relevance, but freedom from mistakes or error is accuracy, and and you're reducing error when you're using that, agreed sure, fine, I'll agree with you.
Speaker 2:Anyway, it's a neat platform, um, you know I didn't like. I paid for this with my own money. There's no review thing here happening whatsoever ever for nothing.
Speaker 1:We don't get anything for free so no, not in the question right, but I'm like darren who's gotten a shit ton of stuff from amazon for free I'm just making sure people understand.
Speaker 2:Also, keep in mind that I got the pistol brace version because I do not want to form for this and have an SBR. You know, but that's me.
Speaker 1:I do make stocks A rifle version. Do they?
Speaker 1:Well, it's technically not anything because it's just a stock, and if you choose to put it on something, then that's your problem right, so just order wisely so I guess the real test if I got one that I want to do is take the gun that I'm meaning to put into it to the range, shoot 100 rounds through it at a target for precision or accuracy, take your pick and then compare those targets to my targets with that device for 100 rounds and see if there's a noticeable improvement.
Speaker 2:I think it's going to depend on the distance. So I think the closer distances you're going to see less and less of a difference than a pistol, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:But, I think as soon as you go out past, let's say, 50 yards, it's going to be night and day difference. If it's 30 yards, it'll probably be night and day difference.
Speaker 1:Yeah, back when I was shooting competitively we were doing 75 feet so 25 yards, feet so 25 yards. But these days, like when I took my buddies to range, I kind of find that 50 feet is about as far as I want to move the target these days.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I'll be honest with you, when I go to a pistol range, I focus on really that 25 to 50 feet. And the reason why is because in any sort of defensive shooting you're going to be that distance or closer yeah, almost always statistically. So you know, when I'm out at my parents or something and I want to piss off my mom because she's having trouble and trying to get more accurate and everything, and I back up to to way back there and I just go here let me show you Ping, there's that. But other than that, there's no practical reason for it. Yeah, yeah, quite frankly, if you want to—advice to anyone, if you want to feel like, am I good enough with a gun to carry it for defense, uh, all you got to be able to do is hit a silhouette size target reliably. Right, don't go slinging around somewhere else.
Speaker 2:But be able to hit a silhouette size target at 25 to 50 feet and you're more than accurate. You are more accurate than most police officers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so back when I was a firearms instructor, we did seven yards. That was the test was seven yards at a body-sized target and you want to try and keep it in the thoracic.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm not even saying for your concealed handgun license or anything else I'm just talking about practical accuracy here, not yeah, yeah, anything else. But I mean, there's a difference between target shooting and if you can't hit a thoracic if you can't hit a human-sized target at seven yards, you have no business carrying a gun right, right, I'll tell you what, though.
Speaker 1:Uh, when you get good at shooting targets like that fairly quickly, so two rounds and under two seconds, um, and you feel like, oh yeah, I can do this all day long. And then they, they give you a moving target and you feel like you're a complete beginner, oh yeah, like you can't hit the broad side of a barn at five feet because it's moving yeah amazing what movement does to just fuck with your confidence and unless you've been hunting all your life and then you know it's less of an issue well, if you're hunting at moving game.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes I I've never shot at the game that's moving. I always only shot when they're stationary? No, I've never done that because I feel I feel bad for, like, hitting something and not killing it. So I'm only going to take the shot if it's a kill shot. And the only way I can ensure a kill shot is, if it's not moving, not true Me For me.
Speaker 1:Maybe for you my confidence Now, in video games I shoot moving targets all day long, but with real rifles. I don't want to wound an animal, I want to kill it if I'm going to pull the trigger, and my confidence in that is that I can do that fairly reliably with a stationary animal, but not with an animal that's running away. Well.
Speaker 2:I rifle shotguns and pistols. I've killed animals moving.
Speaker 1:Well, you've done this way more than I have. I mean, it is a matter of practice, right, and it's a practice builds both confidence and accuracy or consistency, that's the consistency.
Speaker 2:I remember the first 1911 I ever had. I was out at the river camp we have on the spleen and, uh, I won't say the species of the snake because I don't want to get in trouble, but there was a big ass snake coming across my path that it did not live long and at 45 ended it very quickly.
Speaker 1:Yes, they're snakes eat pests.
Speaker 2:It is yes, and you know when it's a six foot and poisonous it eat pests it is stupid to kill snakes and you know when it's a six-foot and poisonous it goes away when there are kids around.
Speaker 1:A snake is not going to attack kids, dude.
Speaker 2:I got videos of kids playing with cobras. Dude, if this type of snake is the kind of snake you walk up on, you don't realize it's there and then once you do, you're either bit or scare. Chit list, so it was gone anyway, all right. And then the cotton mouth.
Speaker 1:What was the snake?
Speaker 2:I just said I didn't want to say but it was a, it was a timber rattler yeah, why wouldn't you say a timber rattler?
Speaker 1:what's wrong with?
Speaker 2:that because technically a endangered species oh, is it really?
Speaker 1:I didn't know that. Yeah, well, I thought I thought Texas has like a rattlesnake festival.
Speaker 2:Totally different rattlesnake and in a different part of the state.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 1:I don't believe in killing snakes in general as a principle.
Speaker 2:Well, does it make you feel better that I killed a rabbit as well? No, with the same 45?.
Speaker 1:I really don't care if you kill rabbits, they don't do anything for me. But of course I buy pre-frozen rabbits. But I've killed rabbits manually with my hands.
Speaker 2:They, they, they breed like crazy they do breed like crazy, but they mate for life I don't know about that. I think they'll mean anything that moves yeah, that's the joke online dude, you haven't seen that meme where the girl's like rabbits have lots of sex and we still find them cute. Why can't you find me cute? The the dude responding says they mate for life.
Speaker 1:You, whatever, whatever, whatever, dump, yeah that's the entire joke I've never raised a rabbit. I think they're kind of stinky to raise, frankly yeah, they, they, they very much are. But so I know people that are big into snakes to save money, at some point start raising rabbits. But uh, I just I'm fine with making my semi-annual drive out to my rabbit guy well, you need to make another one out here, and we need to hang out. I know Totally Go do some plinking. So where are you at on the TV show? You got me going on.
Speaker 2:Babylon 5? That would be the one I'd have to go.
Speaker 1:look at it, I think you caught up to me right. Yeah, I'm right there with you, did you go?
Speaker 2:back and watch in the beginning.
Speaker 1:No, because I didn't realize you had to pay for them until you told me, and so I'll probably do that after the fifth season. Now.
Speaker 2:No, no, no no.
Speaker 1:I should do it before. Yes. Okay, yes, all right, all right. All right, because you're going to Go pay for them.
Speaker 2:There's so much. It's one dude. All you got to do is buy you told me way later.
Speaker 1:You can do that one after.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right yeah, so what's the one I want to buy?
Speaker 2:I'll just do right now in the beginning in the beginning. Okay, yeah the only two b5 movies that I. So everyone needs to watch the gathering because that's the kickoff, right, that's the very first, and then after that you watch seasons one through four. After season four, you watch in the beginning because it's it a it. It really tells a lot of the story.
Speaker 1:That gets set up for season five, um it looks like there was a in the beginning complete mini series.
Speaker 2:That's not it no, so if you're looking, on five in the beginning, if you're looking on in the beginning if you're looking on amazon, you have to search for babylon 5 movies and then it's going to have episodes one through whatever, and those are all the movies. That's the only way that they're on there right now.
Speaker 1:One five the movies, movies the movies movies. Come on work anyway.
Speaker 2:But yeah, in in the beginning, tell some of the back story. Gives you a great back story for Sheridan and some of the other stuff.
Speaker 1:I do not see it here. Ah, jesus.
Speaker 2:Christ, I'll send you a link send me a link, and then of the other stuff. I do not see it here. Ah, jesus christ, I'll send you a link.
Speaker 1:Send me like yeah, thanks and then, of course, uh, you also apparently recommend the book, but somebody else did as well, so I started reading it what are you thinking of the baba verse? I'm liking it, man. I thought it was a little nutty at first, but I'm really getting into it oh, it's, it's, it is nutty.
Speaker 2:There's no doubt's nutty, but it's the kind of nutty that I know you would like.
Speaker 1:It's very nerdy. There's a lot of inside Star Trek or inside baseball, I was going to say, but it's really more like inside Star Trek kind of references A lot of sci-fi, pop culture references.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think this may be linking to the second one, but whatever, you'll find Babylon 5, colon, the movies, and there you go.
Speaker 1:Cool, that's a good thing, but I also I already kind of told you my main gripe that I've settled on with Babylon 5 is that I don't like the use of time, travel trope they do it once as a main thing that holds the series together they do it once well, they may do it once, but how much is this going to be? Now, it's in the beginning a dollar 99 that's standard definition.
Speaker 2:I want it in high def I don't know that it comes in high def does it not come in high def jesus christ? It's old dude fuck's sake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it doesn't come in high def.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a made for tv movie in the 90s yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they could have remastered it or something.
Speaker 1:Okay, I bought it. And then, which one's the other one I should buy?
Speaker 2:um, so you can watch the others as well, but In order of quality.
Speaker 1:What's the next one? So in Third Space, Call to Arms.
Speaker 2:The two that matter for the story and everything else are In the Beginning and A Call to Arms.
Speaker 1:Call to Arms. Okay, I'll buy that one as well. And then I'm still paying for frickin' Apple TV, because you got me watching the other show, silo uh-huh and I'm like four episodes behind on that one, so I have no idea what the latest stuff is. I need to do that. I need to remember to cancel it because it's uh, I'm not even watching it right now, so cancel, I know although I will say the asimov stuff is on there which I'm gonna, I will say the Asimov stuff is on there which I'm going to watch it.
Speaker 1:Watch it, Yep B five, Okay, Cause I really liked there. I mean, again, it's not. It's not identical to book by any stretch, but uh, I really liked the portrayal of empire.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, you know when, when I found silo and I got into silo, yeah Uh, part of my justification for paying five bucks a month or whatever it is. Exactly, yeah, I get it. But anyway, back to the Baba verse. Yeah, yeah, so I I told in fact I think I talked about the Baba verse on this podcast because I went through the entire series so fast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, okay, I entire series so fast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, okay I now I did buy the second and third book, but I'm still just reading the first one yet. Yeah, um, so the after the third book there gets some monotony in there to an extent. Uh, and I it's. I think it slows down to an extent, but you're I. At least, I was invested enough and the story was good enough that I went through it.
Speaker 1:How many books were there?
Speaker 2:Quite frankly, when he releases the next book I think book five or book six, whichever it is the next one comes out, I will go into it as well.
Speaker 1:Well, the added thing that makes it fun for me is actually flying to the solar systems that he is talking about in each of the stories, right?
Speaker 2:and we should say that this, this is relatively hard science fiction with comedy yes, it's. It's very andy weir-esque. I put him right up there with andy weir's sense of humor. So if you like the martian, you like project hail.
Speaker 1:Mary, you would like this yeah, oh, and then you were asking about the andy weir book. I thought it was new, but I guess it wasn't very new. I sent you a link to it as well, which? One was it um, it was the uh james moriarty consulting criminal oh, I yeah, I didn't even, I didn't even go there.
Speaker 2:Really, isn't it good?
Speaker 1:It is. It is. I got about a third of the way through it before I changed books and I enjoyed it. I think it was written. It felt like it could have been written by Conan Doyle.
Speaker 2:Okay, well then I may listen to it or read it, I don't know, but that just didn't interest me from him. But maybe I like Andy Weir. I've read all of his other stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Hail Mary's, his best so far, though.
Speaker 1:You like that one the most.
Speaker 2:Yeah, have you read it I?
Speaker 1:like all of them. Yeah, I read them yeah. Yeah, it was a good one. The one with the moon was good. I think they were all good, really, you don't like that one, huh.
Speaker 2:Artemis yeah.
Speaker 1:The whole mining operation. Eh. Yeah well, you haven't mined a whole lot of asteroids in space I have, so yeah, with your gravity drives. You know, I bet you and this is this. May sound sad to some people, but I've been playing space games for over 20 years yeah and I will bet you I have probably spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 000 hours just mining asteroids.
Speaker 2:Jesus Christ. That's across three years of work across four different games, that's three years of work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Well, I've done over 20,000 hours of of space games in general.
Speaker 2:In over how many years?
Speaker 1:20.
Speaker 2:Dude, what so?
Speaker 1:that's literally 20 hours a week? Yeah, well, it's a half-time job, yeah, but I mean there have been points in my life where it was my full-time job.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh Earning money.
Speaker 1:No, I don't mean it in the sense of earning money. I mean it in the sense of things that I had to do because I was at commitments to people to deliver things. I had deliverables, damn it. People were counting on me.
Speaker 2:Jesus Christ, I deliverables, damn it people were counting on me.
Speaker 1:Jesus christ, oh, that's a lot of gaming. It is a lot of gaming and uh, and I, this is, this is, I think you know the, the, the bar graph, or not the bar graph, the, the line graph, for are you a gamer and you kind of go from you know light gaming on your phone to I built a full motion simulator gaming that that line is parabolic yeah it's not a straight line agreed.
Speaker 2:So because you go from your phone to the console gamers, to the hardcore PC gamers.
Speaker 1:To adding a bunch of peripherals and things and then eventually, if you're crazy enough and you can afford it, you build a full motion rig.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so for instance, when I was at my gaming height. I was a big PC gamer.
Speaker 2:This is before the PS1 had come out. The Xbox One was just coming out. Um, I had had you know, nintendo, super nintendo, n64, genesis, etc. But I I was really getting into pc gaming and, yeah, you know, I remember the first aftermarket graphics card that I ever put in the computer and it was a voodoo three yeah, I remember that was the shit back then it was. It was I mean, and I had a quantum fireball hard drive in this thing, which was a 5400 rpm hard drive insanely fast mostly yeah yes and they were.
Speaker 2:They had to take up one of your five-and-a-quarter bays.
Speaker 1:That's right, because they were a big platform. And they kept making the Bigfoot drives eventually, which were the last of the five-and-a-quarter series of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember Anyway, and I had 128 megabytes of RAM in this computer.
Speaker 2:Pretty good With an AMD K6-2 processor and I had 128 megabytes of ram and pretty good with amd k62 processor I never had an amd until recently until reasonably recently. Oh, I'm running amd right now. Oh man, I I had a amd. Oh shit, what operating. Uh, I guess the primary operating system was windows 98 and then I was also running corel linux at the time I was still booting corel linux at the time. Yeah, anyway, uh, but yeah, so I I've been a pretty serious gamer back in the day, right, I was a.
Speaker 2:I was part of a college club, the LC Web Monks and we did massive LAN parties and I did the networking for the LAN parties and a whole bunch of other shit. You know, all the time Did a lot. And then I went to college like really instead of kind of college, like really instead of kind of um, and I got less into land parties and stuff moved more towards the console and casual gaming on. You know, like friends are over, we're gonna play call of duty, zombie mode or whatever you remember the wii that I hated the wii, never liked the wii we was I think I lost like 20 pounds with that thing.
Speaker 1:I always thought the Wii was stupid Because it forced you to move around. Yeah, I played a lot of like ping pong and tennis and stuff.
Speaker 2:So you remember the original Xbox or the Xbox 360. The original Xbox 360 had the video, the binocular camera that was a competitor to the Wii, that you were the controller and not anything else, and it never worked right. It never worked right, but I literally got one for my mom for their exercise program and she ended up not really using it.
Speaker 1:I got my parents the Wii back then. I still have a 360 and an Xbox One sitting collecting dust underneath my desk, to my left foot.
Speaker 2:I have a 360 in the closet up here as well as an original Xbox that's hacked and modded. I had hacked and modded all my original Xbox. In fact, before Roku's came out, I was using it was a very early version of what became Plex. Yeah, to be able to stream movies to my xbox and everything I was running xbox as well in fact, I had the folder structure for all these videos set up, including babylon 5, at the time with the cover art and everything like I had it pretty man oh, I had it pretty yeah as uh, back when I used to collect shit too, before my nas crashed and died and I lost all my libraries.
Speaker 1:But it proved to me, you know, that nas crashing and I lost probably 500 movies, but it proved to me that not once after putting the movie on the nas did I ever watch any single one of those. Oh, see, I did I never did so. It was like okay, well, what's the point of collecting if I never looked at it?
Speaker 2:well, I mean, there's lots of reasons, including historical. For instance, I've got all of aj's documentaries on my nas right now okay, well, I mean, that's, that's archival, that a little different.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I know what you mean. There could be stuff that disappears.
Speaker 2:I've got all of Doctor who on my NAS except for the new shit.
Speaker 1:Oh really, I never had that.
Speaker 2:I've got back to the 50s stuff on there.
Speaker 1:That's cool yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, don't do what I did and neglect your NAS to the point where two drives died same time, so you know what I do. One I have email alerts set up, but even if I'm dumb enough not to pay attention to that um. Number two, or if something goes wrong there, every time we do this podcast, I sign into my nas and I check the drive health oh, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I haven't signed it in about half a year. I should probably do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just. I used to use it all the time.
Speaker 2:The problem is oh, I use it for backups.
Speaker 1:It doesn't feel useful because it doesn't have a 10 gig interface on it and I've started looking for like getting one with a 10 gig on it. You don't need a 10 gig.
Speaker 2:I do. You really don't Like. A 2.5 gig will max out any Wi-Fi that you have, which is I don't use Wi-Fi, I use hard cables, dude. All my computers.
Speaker 1:My iPads are on Wi-Fi, but all my computers are plugged in.
Speaker 2:Your laptops you have plugged in. They're plugged in. Yep With 10 gig adapters. Yeah, and you have a 10 gig switch. They're just USB-C, man.
Speaker 1:They're just USB-C. Yeah, that was. The first thing I bought was a 10 gig switch.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, whatever, I see no use for 10 gig in my life right now I see no use for 10 gig in my life.
Speaker 1:The the upgrade price from uh one gig to 10 gig on the mac mini is just 100 bucks. Okay, like 10 gigs have really come down a lot. Okay, cool. They're not for data centers only anymore cool but I don't have a 10 gig switch. The only reason that I would want to get an as it does 10 gig is now that I'm producing youtube videos. All those files are fucking big, yeah, and I just want to keep them somewhere yeah, I don't want to wait for sites to get rid of your channel.
Speaker 1:You don't lose them all yeah, exactly because you know that'll happen eventually. Yeah, um, so I'd like to back them up. Right now I'm actually just backing them up on ssds, but I'm gonna run out of space on that. I'm backing up from one ssd to another ssd. Okay, that's like ideally.
Speaker 2:I could just have them be sitting on cheaper storage like a nas well, I mean, how much storage do you need and do you really need a nas? Or can you take well like you're, I've, I've. I remember I don't know how many episodes ago it was on Unrelenting you were talking to Darren about potentially upgrading your Mac Mini.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, so take your Mac Mini that you have right now with the 10 gig interface string some Thunderbolt drives attached to it, or whatever you want to do, and there you go.
Speaker 1:Well, I could do that, but I don't really think that's a cheaper solution.
Speaker 2:Sure it is. If you're already upgrading the Mac Mini, and then you've got drives, it's way cheaper.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's not as fast, I don't know. Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 2:I won't be able to saturate my 10 gig link. Oh no, Woe is me.
Speaker 1:I probably could saturate it if I actually did the video editing via the network link. That would saturate it.
Speaker 2:You're one of those guys that's looking at the new NVIDIA card going oh, it's got extra PCI buses and I can put storage on there buses and I can put storage on there.
Speaker 1:I you know, I I I do have in my amazon shopping cart right now I have a four, four m2 pci gen 4 adapter sitting there waiting until it drops in price a little bit uh-huh, because I I do want to put more of those in my pc yeah I, I don't know you at all.
Speaker 2:Gene I don't know you at all who are you?
Speaker 1:oh my god, you're buying toys for your guns. I'm buying toys for my pc, yeah it's uh, because, frankly, the motherboard I I I used to build this pc I picked out specifically because it had three ss SSD slots natively on the motherboard, three M.2 slots.
Speaker 2:Yeah for the MVMAs.
Speaker 1:And like that's not enough anymore, I need more.
Speaker 2:Why More drives? Are you raiding them at least?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Raiding.
Speaker 1:That three is not enough to raid. Sure it is. They're all full dude, I'm not going to lose a drive.
Speaker 2:I mean, you could go raid zero.
Speaker 1:Uh, I'm not going to lose two drives. No way, no.
Speaker 2:Raid zero means, you have no redundancy. If one fails, you lose everything.
Speaker 1:Uh, yeah, but why would I do that? I mean there's not really any speed benefit there? There is no, they're running at PCI speed. Yes, I understand. Yeah, the learning factor is the interface. No, it is Okay, the X4 drives. The learning factor is the interface. The chips can actually run faster. Okay. Now the Gen 5 drives that are starting to come out. Those can run faster because they use two PCI channels at the same time. But you can only have two of those per board.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anyway, nerd, what else we got to cover.
Speaker 1:Hey man, some of us build our computers, others, I guess just buy something somebody else built. Hey come, hey man, some of us build our computers, others, I guess just buy something somebody else built.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey, I have I guarantee you, I have probably built just as many computers in my life as you have maybe, maybe, but it's not.
Speaker 1:It's not a low number.
Speaker 2:I've built dozens of computers all right, I worked in college at a uh little it shop pc thing you know links a slurry shop, local computer store working my way through college building custom computers for people. I guarantee you have built as many, if not more, than you have I don't know man, because I built servers that were custom servers for people okay, me too. Back like 20 years ago. I used to build. I had servers in my house yeah, yeah, well it's.
Speaker 1:Everybody had servers in their house everybody.
Speaker 2:I knew one in my house. It's just not turned on because it's expensive to run um it's uh, it's more, it's a uh.
Speaker 1:I think there's certain skills, certain hobbies that I still enjoy maintaining and programming. I, I do something, I write something at least every other month. So I I don't want to get to a point where I can't actually program something that I want to do Building PCs, hardware, actually assembling the computer by pieces rather than by looking at what's available from manufacturer. I still think that's a worthwhile skill.
Speaker 1:And not just to save money, but that's a skill that doesn't really go away honestly, there's like no real savings, when it comes down to it, versus buying a pre-built computer oh hell no, especially if anything goes wrong yeah, even warranty aside. Uh, quite often they get better pricing than I can get anywhere on components so you pay. You pay more to do your own build, but that's the only way to get what you want. And, dude I, I literally have to start saving now for my christmas present.
Speaker 1:Um, because it appears like those five thousand dollar graphics on the 5090 card is looking like it's twenty six hundred dollars. Yeah, my first car was less than that.
Speaker 2:My first car was two thousand dollars and there's really not a lot of performance improvements well, we don't really know yet, but uh, according to linus, linus doesn't really know yet okay, well, he doesn't have.
Speaker 1:It's really just more chips on there for, uh, storage and stuff yeah, if you look at purely like, what is there more in terms of, uh, the, the processing power, it's about a 25 increase. Yeah, but the price is higher than most computers okay.
Speaker 2:So what are you going to sell your old card for?
Speaker 1:I, I don't know yet. I mean, I still have my 1080, I just don't use that. And then I've got the current one, and then my laptop is a 4080, and then this will the new desktop will be a 5090 oh, this old windows machine that I'm on.
Speaker 2:What does that have come on? Nvidia, where are you? Hold on, I gotta move the mic. I was sitting reclined back and, as a you know, as one does Mm-hmm and couldn't type so yeah. So this is on this one. It's an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050.
Speaker 1:1050. Wow, that's even worse, yeah well, this is an older laptop. Got me a long way, man. I got um. I probably used that computer for about three years yeah, this is a circa like 2016 laptop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's like an eight-year-old laptop, year old laptop and it is the last of the mohicans yeah, my, my oldest laptop still works, which is older than my old desktop, and that laptop is a mobile 1080 card cool, so that is not as good a performance as the desktop 1080, obviously, but that but that thing, remember, I was telling you that was my original gigabyte laptop and the battery obviously still is shot, but the computer still works.
Speaker 2:Well, this one I'm on right now was a Dell XPS 15. I think the first generation or the second generation xps 15 yeah, I remember those. Yeah, very nice laptop at the time. Well, yeah, we've talked about gaming and laptops long enough. Is there anything else we need to cover?
Speaker 1:um well, I mean we're getting closer to trump's inauguration. You saw that, uh, some judge in new york basically said we don't give a shit. Yeah, we're going to go through something.
Speaker 2:We're going to sentence him on the 10th, which is the day. I'm flying back from Virginia, so I hope I make it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, send me when you're flying out there so I can check with my buddy see if he's around.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I will be in the norfolk. Say it on here. Just tell me why it's not good to put out your travel plans publicly. I'm just saying okay well you know, I don't recommend it. It's okay, you could say next week or in a couple of weeks, that's fine, but I would not list the times.
Speaker 2:But I actually I wouldn't list the times either. Well, that's what I'm looking for, range.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I well it doesn't. If I tell him the date range, that's not going to do him any good to say whether he's around to get dinner with you whether he'll be able to assessinate me or not. I need to know your time of arrival and the airline that you're taking there. Pass that information. What rental? Car. What hotel he doesn't need that he just needs your flight number and he's already got your name, so he's good to go on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so next week I'll be in the Virginia beach area. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Put it that way. Oh, it'll be beautiful out there.
Speaker 2:It'll be colder, bring your fall weather closing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, oh, it'll be.
Speaker 2:I've never been to this part of Virginia, so I'm looking forward to it. Cold and wet, yeah. Naval base yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah and wet. Yeah, naval base yeah, yeah, definitely cold and wet. Um so, yeah, well, it's, that's good. I got no travel plans coming up, although I do need to go to mexico yeah, well, meerschaum, uh, wanting to sentence trump.
Speaker 2:um, you know, it'll be interesting to see what happens there, because you know what happens if he says yeah, trump jail time.
Speaker 1:Surrender yourself now. Yeah, he will. I'm sure he was planning on it.
Speaker 2:I think that will force a constitutional crisis.
Speaker 1:Well, as long as it's before he starts, before he's sworn in, I don't know that he has a whole lot to say then.
Speaker 2:I think the Secret Service will have something to say about it.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean not really up to them, is it?
Speaker 2:I don't see Trump surrendering. I don't see.
Speaker 1:Trump surrendering either. But also I don't think that simply because somebody has been elected to a public office in the future, that that means that all pending issues against them are now irrelevant.
Speaker 2:This was a politically driven issue.
Speaker 1:I know, I fully understand that, and it's obviously a bullshit charge done in a state which just wants to hang the guy. They don't care if it's fair or not.
Speaker 2:I don't think he should show up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think he should show up either, but at the same time I don't really think that there's a constitutional objection to this. It's before he's sworn in.
Speaker 2:Well, even if, as a president, it's a state charge, they can do whatever they want.
Speaker 1:The federal government doesn't have any purview over that well, I don't think that a state can charge a sitting president with diddly squat. Sure, I think he's got full immunity.
Speaker 2:Nope, I think he does tell me we where in the Constitution that is implied, much less explicitly stated.
Speaker 1:I think the commander-in-chief renders him full immunity.
Speaker 2:No, it does not.
Speaker 1:That was not the end. Read the.
Speaker 2:Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers dude.
Speaker 3:That didn't get passed, though did it. That's not the intent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so from a practical standpoint, I think, think yes, I know in Mother Russia Right, but that is not the way the Constitution is written and the fact of the matter is, the states have the ability to nullify federal law Up and into the incorporation doctrine.
Speaker 1:What happened the last time that a state tried to imprison a politician of a the federal government?
Speaker 2:never happened exactly well, uh, I mean you could say lincoln's, uh, lincoln imprisoning state officials.
Speaker 1:But yeah, but that's that's that the inverse of what I'm trying to? Say is that if a state tried to imprison a federal, a substantially high level federal official like exactly. Imagine if some state and I would be fully in support of this tried to arraign and imprison um fauci during the time that he was active with the whole thing. How well do you think that would have gone over? It wouldn't, exactly Because there would be some claim of federal exclusivity or some bullshit.
Speaker 1:They would come up with that basically says you, as a state, have no power, you have no standing to apply your state laws to this federal official in his capacity as a federal official.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get what you're saying. I'm just saying there's nothing in the Constitution that would permit that yeah, but the Constitution is what?
Speaker 1:How many pages?
Speaker 2:It is a document of negative liberties, to quote Barack Obama.
Speaker 1:Eight pages or so, right, depending on the font size. Yeah, I mean the USC. How many pages is the US Code?
Speaker 2:Oh God, Tens and tens of thousands 12,000 pages.
Speaker 1:So if we purely ran under the Constitution, that's not counting ancillary statutes, but yeah. Not counting what. Interpretation and statutes, but yeah, not counting what uh interpretation statutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that. That's the actual code, that's what was passed. Is 12 right?
Speaker 2:yeah, statutory not. Yeah, yeah, gotcha not anyway yeah, so my point is that it is
Speaker 1:retardedly big it is so big that no human can memorize the whole thing. Yes, show me the man I'll show you the crime, exactly, exactly. And that's a true statement, I think in most countries yes, well, there's I can't think of a country that has sufficiently few enough laws where that statement would not be true agreed and I think we agree that trump should not attend this sentencing, even if they decide to hold. Yeah, no, we're in violent agreement here.
Speaker 2:That's what we're, that's what we're famous for, yeah because I I think it will set up a constitutional crisis and I think it will potentially uh cause massive problems if trump. I think, if they force the issue on this Trump, the best thing that could happen would be for Mircham to come out and say he's guilty, he's going to be fined a million dollars and that's it.
Speaker 1:That would be a way to actually make it stick, probably because it'd be hard pressed for Trump to not pay that.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and just get it over with and be done, yeah, and it wouldn't cause a ruckus, I think, and it's not even a felony.
Speaker 1:I I think it is well. If it's a felony, then he can never own a gun.
Speaker 2:I right so that he should fight at them he well, he can seek restoration of his rights from the governor that would be what it would take. But anyway, good luck. Exactly he should be pardoned by the president. He can't be, it's a state crime, uh wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:So you're telling me all 8 000 pardons that b just did are federal charges.
Speaker 2:And, by the way, that's almost 10,000.
Speaker 1:now it's 9,600 and something Holy shit that's up there. Wow, yes, that's all federal crimes and I know some of those are clemencies, but still Okay. So none of those are state Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 6,000 of those were clemency.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, that's crazy, and I'm sure some of them were rightfully pardoned too. I'm not saying all of these guys shouldn't have been pardoned.
Speaker 2:Right, right.
Speaker 1:Right, the number just jumps right out at you.
Speaker 2:But if you take the mass clemency out that he did, he's still over double what Barack Obama did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's almost triple what Clinton did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's almost triple what Clinton did. Mm-hmm, he's five times as much as what Trump did. Yeah. Like it's an insane number of pardons.
Speaker 1:And quite frankly— I think the last big one was Jimmy Carter actually.
Speaker 2:Hold on Quite. Frankly, there's no way he physically signed that many pardons. No, no, no. Let's be honest about that. The man is too infirm to have physically signed those pardons.
Speaker 1:I don't know that he needs to physically sign them.
Speaker 2:He does has.
Speaker 1:Obama passed the Digital Millennium Digital Signature Act or something Anyway, something that effectively treats the digital signature equivalents.
Speaker 2:Sure, he would still have to.
Speaker 1:All right, there's no way he clicked except on 9, it's a single pdf with every page in there and the final page is a one-page signature.
Speaker 2:And click here to sign uh-huh, I don't think that's how that happened, but anyway, the point is, I'll bet you that's exactly how it happened okay, here, here's the deal the all these pardons, especially the hunter biden pardon on the, the hunter biden pardon on any crimes he has committed or may have committed.
Speaker 1:That's, that's a great one, I, I want that one. If somebody ever pardons me, I want that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no shit, may may have, especially with a four hour in the future, I can go party for four hours, do whatever the hell I want exactly yes, um, but anyway the only other time a president has issued that type of broad pardon was ford for nixon yeah, and it was never challenged constitutionally yeah I do not. I do not believe, I do not see it in english tradition or english common law how you can have a blanket pardon.
Speaker 2:Pardons are supposed to be specific right, right, right blanket clemency is basically a hands off it is yeah, which is not in our system of justice that only leaves one option, though that's the problem.
Speaker 1:It what that?
Speaker 2:only leaves one option. What's?
Speaker 1:That's the problem, what that only leaves one option. What's that Assassination?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I mean, at this point I'm not worried about assassinating Hunter Biden or someone doing that.
Speaker 1:But what I think For as much of a loser as Hunter is there are points where I felt sorry for the guy. Oh, absolutely, because keep in mind who his father is, yes, and what kind of a childhood he had.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And what?
Speaker 2:childhood he knew his sister had yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean broadly the entire childhood that he experienced is so far from normal.
Speaker 2:Anyone who has an affair with his dead brother's wife. Something ain't right there. That is a call for help.
Speaker 1:I mean okay, so you say that.
Speaker 2:However, there was actually a tradition where you, if your brother dies are responsible for marrying your brother's wife, yeah, or taking care of her.
Speaker 1:I understand that used to be a thing yes, okay, not what happened here anyway, point is that pardon should be challenged in the courts as unconstitutional I agree with you, but also I wouldn't feel bad if it's not.
Speaker 2:I think it is an abuse of the executive branch and the executive power and needs to be overturned. And what I would say is, if I'm Trump, I would go in and say because this pardon was illegally enacted, I am instructing uh justice department to ignore it and let the court sort it out now that's going to open the door to every presidential pardon having exactly that's.
Speaker 1:That's the reason that he's not going to do it is because it makes every one of his pardons immediately up for debate after he's out of office. The I it's. It's the small club. Being a us president, it's a very small club. There are very few living members and I think there are certain things that you are now even though obama didn't do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know it's amazing, he lived as long as he did. Honestly, the guy ate nothing but peanuts his whole life. Did he live that long? I think so I don't think there was any reason to replace him.
Speaker 2:I think they have kept the idea of Carter being alive around so he could vote for Kamala, and now that that's over, okay, we can let him go.
Speaker 1:Carter doesn't give a shit about Kamala. He's not giving a shit about him.
Speaker 2:But he said he was proud that he lived long enough to be able to vote for kamala. Does anyone believe carter actually said that?
Speaker 1:no, okay, no, I think he's been very senile for his last few years well, you know, this is the way this show goes.
Speaker 2:We start off with politics, we talk about guns, we talk about fun things, and then we come back to politics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what happens in life, mm-hmm and I don't you know I've said this before with both you and Darren Like, the shows that I do with both of you guys are not particularly different from the phone calls I have with both of you guys.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, yeah we just talk a little bit differently. But sure you think I don't? Not really I censor myself knowing that this is going to be published to an extent you probably do. I don't really. You are not as bombastic as I am at times. What you are not as bombastic as I am at times what you are not as bombastic as I am at times.
Speaker 1:But I don't know that I am on our phone calls either. I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. You're just not as bombastic as I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true, agreed.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's probably right. So two housekeeping things before we wrap up. Okay, before we wrap, up okay one question and answer time. Right, parliament question and answer time. Send us some questions, we'll answer.
Speaker 1:I thought you were going to talk about the british british house lords, talking about the 25 or 250 000 british young females that have been raped by muslims no, but that is a good one and the brits are finally waking up a little bit. Yes, are they, though, or are they just accepting it?
Speaker 2:I think there's a huge portion of the british population that is not accepting of that, but anyway, so no, uh, csb had an idea on how we spread the show and how we get more listener engagement and one of the things was questions and I think it's an okay idea for us to try. So send us a question and we'll try and ask it of one or the other on the show. So if you want Gene to answer a question, send it to you know, dude at named Bencom.
Speaker 1:You don't even need to do that. Our podcast has a reply format and it has for the last six months.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it has a fan mail and all that.
Speaker 1:But I'm saying, if you want, to surprise Gene, send it to me.
Speaker 2:If you want to surprise me, send it to Gene.
Speaker 1:All right, I may or may not check that mailbox very regularly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anyway, the other thing was we did have. Uh, one of our listeners have some trouble downloading our podcast oh yeah, yeah, that did happen and what it turned out to be, and he sent in some mail it's the vpn and buzzsprout, buzzsprout blocking certain networks because, of suspicious activity. Aka, they're getting a shit ton of downloads from certain networks and they're blocking them because they know it is is, it's ad generation stuff it's a.
Speaker 1:That's exactly right. So it's basically people who've decided that they want to earn money on their podcast by pretending there's like 10 000 people or 100000 people listening to it, and so they've got all these bots from other countries coming in on the vpn to download it as though they're in the united states and buzzsprout is smart enough to go hold up. This looks awfully suspicious when a whole bunch of downloads are all coming from the same ip address and they just keep going and going and going and going and going. It's like literally thousands of downloads all coming in from the same ip. And what does that ip point to? Oh, it's an end node of a vpn. Okay, let's just block it now. Some legitimate users of shitty vpns will be by that, but most people won't be.
Speaker 2:No, anyway, point is, if you're having trouble downloading with fountain or any other podcast app, including even Apple music was getting blocked turn off your VPN. That seems to have solved it for people or use something else. It's a better VPN like proton.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that seems to have solved it for people, or use something else. Use a better VPN like Proton. I guarantee you this was not a Proton address that they blocked.
Speaker 2:No, oh, you mean a Proton VPN.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, this is probably NordVPN, the most commonly advertised VPN company in the world. You know how much they pay Nord. Yeah, $40 for every subscription. So if you advertise Nord and somebody subscribes using your link, you can get 40 bucks off of that. That's pretty good, good right, which is why so many people are doing it now so nord only charges the interest in advertising
Speaker 1:well, look, and I've. I've sent you and, uh darren, both examples of the kind of ad propositions that I'm getting for my youtube channel little tiny channel, 1200 people, and they're like, uh, you know, three thousand dollars, twenty five hundred dollars. They're fairly substantial commission rates on advertising stuff. These are all games, you know, because that's the nature of my channel, is a gaming channel.
Speaker 2:Advertising $3,000 for what?
Speaker 1:So, based on the size of my channel, that is their estimate of the amount of money that I'll earn. Based on rates of downloads that they're seeing In a year no from a single ad no fucking way, yeah. Single ad no fucking way, yeah. Yep, no fucking way.
Speaker 2:that episode stays up indefinitely okay, so this is over the indefinite time span indefinite, sure, indefinite time, but for one episode okay, meaningless I don't know about 80 of the downloads are going to happen in the first week okay, so I? I do not see you making hell. We'll say even a thousand dollars an episode right now at your current subscriber rate, man I mean, I should see that if it's an interesting game.
Speaker 1:Dude, there's been a few games that people have downloaded en masse.
Speaker 2:I've downloaded a couple recently okay, well, I mean, if you can do that then why aren't you doing that?
Speaker 1:and quitting your day job because I don't, because I'm not gonna sell out to the man I I like having okay, all right there's no need to lie here we can go ahead and stop the recording now.
Speaker 2:I'm not a shill and just have our conversation If you don't want to admit it to everyone else I have zero shilling in my YouTube channel.
Speaker 1:I have zero shilling in my podcast.
Speaker 2:I just I like look, unless it's for ponchos.
Speaker 1:Well, clearly not because they didn't sell me. I suck at that, but uh, you know, I I really mostly listened to public radio when I was growing up. Oh jesus, that's what's wrong with you. I really don't like advertising. Well, I didn't have advertising. Yeah, people dislike it.
Speaker 2:I just can't stand it right, but public radio has advertising um, well, if yes, it.
Speaker 1:They didn't used to, so it used to be a lot less advertising, like they weren't allowed to mention brands or products. They. The only thing they were allowed to do is match donations back in the day, back in the 80. Now it is pretty much just advertising. You're right, but I just don't like interrupting something that I consider to be quality with ads. I have nothing against ads, I just don't want to be the one they're pointing at. Okay.
Speaker 2:And if it's a product that I'm making making, I don't really want to have ads in it so okay, oh well, you know, uh, if we got offered that kind of money for this show uh well, it'd be all on you.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't do anything to do that I would totally do the ad read for three grand you would. For three grand, you would.
Speaker 2:You would just sell your soul to the man Three grand an episode. Yeah, so if we did four episodes a month, that's 12 grand a month.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, keep in mind, my YouTube channel has more subscribers than their show. Yeah, I got you. Whatever, well, keep in mind, my youtube channel has more subscribers than their show.
Speaker 2:But yeah, yeah, I got you, you know, whatever. Um, which begs the question why aren't you advertising for our show on there?
Speaker 1:I already got one nasty comment from somebody saying yeah, I really like your videos, really cool stuff, but I just realized what your political stance and fuck you again.
Speaker 2:Why aren't you advertising for our show?
Speaker 1:for that reason, because I don't, I don't need, you don't want to hurt your youtube channel anyway, no, I I think that'd be a great supplemental income. I'd take it in a heartbeat it's good supplemental income, but can you imagine doing a show that we just did and like at least a couple times during the show, talking about how great nord vpn is? No, I, I can't lie, man, I can't like I could do.
Speaker 2:I could do a pre-roll and a post-roll of saying, hey, there's this VPN out there. It does these things, this is their ad copy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would not generate the kind of revenue you're looking for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they would definitely have to be totally okay with the politics and everything else. And, oh well, we don't like this topic. Well, too fucking bad, go somewhere else and that's.
Speaker 1:That's the other point. Right? So the rates for a wholesome non-adult video game channel like I have are way higher than the rates for somebody. That's politics on youtube, yeah, like those people, by the way, by a wholesome non-adult video game I don't swear also well, yeah, but you do cyberpunk and you know other things.
Speaker 2:I mean shit, dude. You might as well do link uh laser shoot, larry on your damn channel I don't do cyberpunk on there, oh well you've played. I do spaceships well, you should do cyberpunk on there no, I play cyberpunk on my own damn time.
Speaker 1:I don't do it on the channel. Yeah, because you don't want to show I play one-handed.
Speaker 2:Thank you, you don't want to show your choices online, Got it?
Speaker 1:I play a very wholesome cyberpunk.
Speaker 2:There is no way to play a wholesome cyberpunk.
Speaker 1:My female character is mostly dressed. Oh, all right, gene, I think that's it my female character is mostly dressed.
Speaker 2:Oh all right gene.
Speaker 1:I think that's it I think we're done for tonight man happy new year everyone. We will catch y'all on the next one. Yeah, if you want to send us messages, use whatever method you want. Use our emails or just click on the little feedback link or whatever the heck it's called on each episode and keep clicking on that dollar sign because you know we need the money. Okay, well, we want the money. How's that?
Speaker 2:better.
