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Just Two Good Old Boys
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Could the U.S. really take control of Gaza, and what would that mean for international relations? We explore these hypothetical scenarios and delve into the strategic minds behind political maneuvers like Donald Trump's decision to pause lawsuits involving the ATF. Our conversation also takes a critical look at the roles countries like Egypt play in the ongoing Gaza conflict, considering the broader implications of military actions in this volatile region. Moving seamlessly from serious analysis to lighter-hearted topics, we compare the public speaking styles of personalities such as Trump and JD Vance, and share amusing anecdotes, including Robert Kennedy Jr.’s unexpected first impression of Trump.
Switching gears, we celebrate the comedic genius of Craig Ferguson while also scrutinizing U.S. military strategy in Europe, particularly the potential repercussions of withdrawing bases from Germany. This sparks a lively debate on the interplay between European political dynamics and U.S. influence. Our discussion carries us through economic and historical reflections, pondering the significance of auditing Fort Knox's gold reserves and the potential for a multipolar world led by Russia, China, or India. We even entertain the amusing yet thought-provoking idea of U.S. citizens becoming landlords in China, examining the complexities of international property ownership.
The episode rounds out with a fascinating blend of space exploration musings and cultural commentary, from the unpredictability of asteroids to Sasha Gray’s career transition from adult film star to Twitch streamer. We explore how these diverse topics intersect with global politics, including the nuances of Jordan Peterson's religious beliefs and the implications of helicopter parenting. Our engaging dialogue weaves through the intricacies of modern societal values, leaving listeners with a rich tapestry of insights and a touch of humor along the way.
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Howdy Ben. How are you today? I'm doing all right, gene Yourself.
Speaker 2:I'm doing pretty good. I guess all said and done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've been stuffy lately, so apologies for making you switch times. But yesterday morning. I you don't have to keep an eye on your nose, yeah, yeah yeah, okay, carmen, I woke up yesterday morning and I just was so plugged up and it wasn't even funny, and then, uh, I didn't want to get a late start because my parents were coming, and so do it today, didn't?
Speaker 2:um, you know, no one actually knows or cares when we do this show, they just care when it posts.
Speaker 1:But okay well, I, but I, I care well, I care too.
Speaker 2:I mean, I that's because I gotta be around for it.
Speaker 1:That's the thing you see yes, this would be, uh, you know, kind of a thing yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:So we got a lot of topics okay, where do you want to start? I don't, well I. That's why I'm trying to be a consultatory here and then see what your thoughts are. But you know, obviously trump's been kicking ass in most categories, although some of us still wish there was a lot more happening with the atf front.
Speaker 1:But well, I mean he paused a lot of lawsuits he, did he but.
Speaker 2:but that could be taken two different ways, because they asked for an indefinite pause, which means that the chance of this thing actually going to the Supreme Court just got put to zero as long as the lawsuit is paused, there can be no judgments on it and no findings of unconstitutionality and no findings of unconstitutionality. It's a sneaky way to actually prevent something from being judged unconstitutional is to just pause the lawsuit indefinitely.
Speaker 1:Sure, but that, or maybe he's waiting to get an ATF director in there and change some stuff. Who knows?
Speaker 2:Well, sure, if you want to look at the glasses full side of it, that could be, but those of us that are used to not getting the glasses full from the ETF are not particularly happy with this announcement.
Speaker 1:Well, we will see. Also, it looks like the Gaza deadline has come and gone, which was a little surprising to me that nothing has really happened. But you know he's using what are they gonna?
Speaker 2:do well, I mean military action didn't we just use an aircraft carrier up there, or something?
Speaker 1:yeah, well, he also. They did um release several more hostages, but he said he wanted all of them and not dribs and drabs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the drip and drab is bullshit. That's not how you do it, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know. We'll see what ends up happening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. I think this is a poor strategy. I think they should have never done a ceasefire.
Speaker 1:They would have had Gaza cleaned up by now, maybe.
Speaker 2:You don't negotiate with terrorists and any non-military personnel. Deaths are the fault of the person that started the war not the other side. I think they should have kept going.
Speaker 1:Well, you also think that Gaza doesn't need to exist.
Speaker 2:So well, I mean, Gaza is a place. It's always going to exist.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Mm Hmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, uh, historically been a part of Egypt. I think I'd be totally fine if egypt just got gaza back well, I mean, that is a possibility in this.
Speaker 1:They don't want. No, they don't.
Speaker 2:That's the problem absolutely don't want it. They they have a probably one of the most stable uh arab political systems in place, other than the one instance of Hillary Clinton's color revolution.
Speaker 1:I don't know how you can say that, considering they almost had a revolution.
Speaker 2:Well, they did have one, but the point is that they managed to push that back and get rid of the US installed government and get rid of the US installed government, but as far as that part of the world I mean, they don't want to become another Syria, they don't want to have other countries battling a war on their territory, and so they're trying to stay as far away from Gaza as possible. And in fact, I just looked at the stats yesterday the number of people pre 7th, the number of people that were allowed through the Gaza-Egypt border, was about 10% of the number of people that were going into Israel every day. Okay.
Speaker 2:So it is a that border like. If US wants to have a example of a border that is held tightly with nobody sneaking across, that would be the Gaza-Egypt border. Clearly, the Israeli one wasn't very good because they had so many people get across and, you know, take out of that whole concert.
Speaker 2:So I totally understand whygypt doesn't want this okay, but uh, you know what's the answer then well, I I think a novel answer is for the us to take it, which I think would be interesting. It would certainly shake up, uh, and do something no one's really thought of. Um well, the one thing that that is obvious is if nothing changes, nothing will change that's a very profound statement, I know such amazing wisdom there you might want to quote me on that, sir.
Speaker 1:Sir gene, circa 2025, if nothing changes nothing, nothing if nothing changes nothing changes, which is really just a rephrase of the old definition of insanity which is doing the same thing and expecting different results.
Speaker 2:So, you know, either you need to get the people in Gaza that want to kill Israelis out of Gaza or you need to get all the Israelis out of Israel. That's your two options. There's not a third one there, unless you want to go novel, like the us coming in and getting rid of all the uh palestinians and then taking it over for beachfront gulf property yep you know I, I'm okay with uh in any of the options there.
Speaker 2:Really, yeah, yeah getting, incidentally, if you look at the history of europe, a lot of wars were waged not principally because one country was mad at another country, but because there was a third party involved that it made more sense to go to war to have an effect on the third party, and the actual country that they were at war with was just the sort of incidental recipient of war okay so I, I, you know I'm there's historical, I guess, uh, uh, historic. What's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker 1:Uh, precedent yeah.
Speaker 2:Historical precedent for doing something like the U S coming in and taking over Gaza.
Speaker 1:Uh, I mean, there's a lot of historical precedent. Now I will say that you know, uh, we have legal agreements in place that say you know, we have legal agreements in place that say you know, no country will expand its territory through military means.
Speaker 2:So, legal agreements. Please, even small countries, don't give a shit about those. Why would the biggest country, most heavily armed country in the world, care about that? Hey?
Speaker 1:hey, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying the world will scream and yes, you know what I've been posting on the x like every hour lately is fuck the eu, because the eu is like a little little bitch well, not just the eu but well, in specifically the eu after vance's speech, as I suppose we should talk about that.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude, that's. Oh, it was so good Like that right there may have just gotten my vote for Vance. Oh, a lot of people have said that it's like okay clearly, four years from now, vance is getting my vote. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:So this is really like Trump is the setup guy at this point for an eight year vance presidency which, if trump goes through, kicks ass and does the hard stuff yeah and then we get vance for eight years.
Speaker 1:That would be ideal yeah, well, it might really fucking turn the country around.
Speaker 2:It might. It might actually give your kids a chance to make money.
Speaker 1:And me? Don't forget about me here.
Speaker 2:I keep forgetting you're still a youngster. Yeah, absolutely. I think we certainly could not afford another four years of a Biden-like Democrat.
Speaker 1:No, we couldn't.
Speaker 2:Which also means we couldn't afford any more Obamacrat, because that's effectively who is running the country. There's more and more people coming out of the woodwork saying that Obama was constantly in communication with not Biden but White House. Yeah, throughout the last four years but is that shocking to anyone? I don't think it's shocking, but it it's nice to hear that it's not just a conspiracy theory, that it actually has happened. There are people that were there that are leaking this now you know we'll, we'll see what, uh, what the answer?
Speaker 2:also explains why obama got so gray oh, because he continued running the country. Yeah, method yeah, well, I mean, he's younger than me, I think, and he's really gray uh, he's very gray, but also he's married to michelle, you know it's like you look at bill clinton, people are more gray. I don't think I mean.
Speaker 1:You look at bill clinton and you look at obama and then you look at their wives and you go yeah okay, okay, I got, one's got a strap on the other.
Speaker 2:One doesn't need one exactly now, you watched.
Speaker 1:You watched the blair white. In fact, you're the one who sent it to me video on is Michelle a tranny?
Speaker 2:I I have to tell you truth. I I started watching it and then a video game video popped up and I saw a switch to that. So I only watch about five minutes before I sent to you okay, well, I watched a little more than you. Okay, and she does not make sense that.
Speaker 1:Michelle, is you know?
Speaker 2:No, no, too ugly.
Speaker 1:She's not buying it. Just thinks that you know some of the videos. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:She's a high testosterone gal. I don't know man, I'm sorry but I mean talk about big boing like for real, not as a Cartman excuse, but Michelle is not a small woman.
Speaker 1:No, she's tall, she's very muscular, she's not like slender and tall.
Speaker 2:She's not like an elf.
Speaker 1:She's like a freaking. Her back looks like a bodybuilder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Exactly.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh, her back is whiter than barack's back I dude, hey, I fully buy into michelle obama is a man but, you know, that's me but do we want her though?
Speaker 2:what do you mean on team man uh? I mean I think we've been doing a pretty good job of basically getting rid of all our unwanted men onto team women lately I mean, I guess, sure, uh, I, I don't think you can get rid of, I think chromosomes are chromosomes almost got rid of that britney griner dude, but unfortunately russia kicked him out well, britney griner is another one that I think is very obviously uh, you know, not a woman yeah, a high t gal man.
Speaker 2:I just I don't understand why this is controversial to yeah just take their damn pants off, show the world, and then we'll be done talking about it.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it's a little more than that, but sure. More like a DNA test.
Speaker 2:DNA test yeah. Hmm. Well, I don't know if you've ever. Actually, I'm not going to go there. Never mind, let's just continue on.
Speaker 1:If I've ever what.
Speaker 2:Never mind, we don't need to do it on the podcast.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, yeah, I just think a DNA test would be important. If someone had a really good surgeon. Mm-hmm. All right, important if someone had a really good surgeon, all right. So what about the speech? Did you at least listen to all of uh speech? Yeah, yes, yeah, I watched all that stuff I, I think it was a.
Speaker 2:He was right on that edge of being like almost trump-esque where he's got hyperbole, but I feel like he didn't really cross over that border, like all of it was factual, not just hyperbole.
Speaker 1:I think he did a really, really fantastic job of stating things in a way that were insulting enough to get the point across and get what he needed to say done, but in such a way that it was not, uh, to your point, hyperbole or over the top and something people could go oh look, he can't even.
Speaker 2:He's obviously just an idiot like trump yeah, and this is the the problem that trump and um, uh, let's face, uh, our local austin guy here.
Speaker 2:Um, alex, that they both have is like they're both intelligent guys that sound like kicks. And on top of sounding like kicks, they both love to use hyperbole and it, like a normal intelligent person should recognize the difference between when it's done for effect or if the person actually believes bullshit. But the media is not a normal person and so everything they present is like oh my God, look how stupid these people are. They're talking complete gibberish. Well, you know, when Alex says the frogs are turning gay which he also, by the way, I don't know if you saw I sent a video to your mom. He just reset about two days ago while he was out camping. Holy shit, that guy lost a lot of weight.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm not surprised he has lost some weight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's lost about 100 pounds. He's probably about 165 right now. In like a very, very, very good shape.
Speaker 1:yeah, so anyway.
Speaker 2:And he's starting to do videos kind of like your buddy Zayhan, like outdoors in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1:In a pretty background.
Speaker 2:It's like what the hell, alex? What are you meeting up with Zayhan now?
Speaker 1:Hey, you know, maybe Alex had some atrazine.
Speaker 3:Maybe Alex had some atrazine. He does, like Blair White, an awful lot.
Speaker 1:Maybe, Alex had some atrazine man you know, uh-huh, uh-huh. Exactly. Maybe it's not just the frog.
Speaker 2:I've been eating a lot of frog legs, I guess. Maybe that's it. So, anyway, going to hell. I think that JD has that silver tongue that both trump and alex don't, combined witha high intelligence and a uh. He also I think he has a. He's a charmer. He's got a charming personality, even when he is completely disarming his opponents. He's got a smile on his face, and this is, I think, something that I completely did not see when Trump first picked him. I was like who the hell is this guy? Why is he picking him?
Speaker 1:Well, and I was a little upset because JD Vance, when it started, was a never Trumper, but apparently he has come around. You know, yeah, he's coming to the light. You know, yeah, he's come into the light, as it were.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think it probably was getting to know Trump, which I don't know. If you saw the speech by Kennedy, by Robert Kennedy Jr, that he talked about the first time that he spent any time with Trump and how basically Trump ended up like playing with his kids and just being a normal, a totally normal guy. He saw not a billionaire New York investor in real estate, but he saw a guy who loves family and just very normal basic things and that kind of set the stage for him or changed his mind enough to basically just drop out of the campaign.
Speaker 1:Well, I think there were several things there, but yes. And I, you know, I think Kennedy's very much the same way in a lot of ways, because he is not a typical Kennedy. He's not no.
Speaker 2:Even though he grew up in Camelot Ish yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, he's running around the White House as a little baby. Now he's running around the White House as an adult and to me the weirdest thing is still just seeing larry david's tv wife in the white house. Like what that? That? Just if they don't include that in the next season of curb? Your enthusiasm that? How the hell did cheryl manage to, you know, end up being married to a guy in the way they have to do that? There's no excuse not to do that. This is an actress who's basically only famous for one show. She's not really done anything else and uh. So I think she kind of owes the show to actually reprise her role, as now somebody's married, somebody's working in the white house, it doesn't it like it's an actor? I don't care if it, because she was dating on larry david's uh show on the curb. She was a dating ted danson, or even getting married to ted danson, um, who was also friends with larry.
Speaker 1:But you know, I've never watched this show really yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I'd say it's pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know the show I want us to watch next, though. Which one Archer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm okay with Archer.
Speaker 1:I want us to reprise Archer, because I started rewatching some of it.
Speaker 2:Oh, well, you're too early. We got to do that Miami Vice show first.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not going to do Miami Vice.
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:no, I'm not going to do Miami Vice.
Speaker 2:The people have voted. They said Miami Vice, that's what we're going to watch.
Speaker 1:We had one person vote. I don't agree with that person.
Speaker 2:We have 100% of the voting public that voted and agreed on Miami Vice. Okay, anyone who's listening. If you want us to watch miami vice, which I want to watch, let ben you can watch it.
Speaker 1:You can watch it no, I know, I know but, if I'm gonna watch miami vice, I'm not gonna be watching archer at the same time that's why I went with archers, because it's an over the top thing, but at least it's funny.
Speaker 2:I, I like art. Well, you realize, archer has an awful lot of stuff from Miami, exactly. That's why I chose that, yeah, that's because you'd you'd be the guy choosing the cartoon of star Trek over the real star Trek. I get it.
Speaker 1:That's, that's your whole generation, Actually.
Speaker 2:star Trek the animated animated series sucked, and I'm not talking about lower decks is okay, you're the one who was trying to get me to watch lower decks. Lower decks is pretty good. Now I did watch the crossover episode they did. That was pretty funny oh, with uh strange new worlds, yeah yeah, the, the chick that plays I can't remember her name the black girl. Who's the chick? That is like the main character, mariner, mariner, yeah, yeah, she's really cute.
Speaker 2:Okay, I guess I mean she's cuter in real life than she is in a cartoon is what I mean. Well, duh okay, I think I mean she's cuter in real life than she is in a cartoon is what I mean. Well, duh. Well, no, because I don't expect hot actresses to be doing voiceovers, you know, I mean like oh, I wouldn't call her hot definitely harder than the cartoon.
Speaker 2:Look, um, it's. It's like if you look at the people that are voicing family guy, there's one hot chick there amongst the entire group. That's about it. Okay, all right, mila kunis. But um, generally, ironically, like an actual hot chick, yeah, but I you know it's funny because obviously she took that part on in a big lull in acting, right, that was something for her to do, some voice acting work for a cartoon, okay. And then she just stuck with it forever, even though she did a bunch of movies. And now she's a happy mom. She's not doing anything.
Speaker 1:I didn't know Mila Kunis was a mother.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she married Ashton Kutcher. I didn't know thata Kunis was a mother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she married Ashton Kutcher.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that they had a kid, yeah.
Speaker 2:It could be the second one by now, but yeah, because Ashton Kutcher was with the Mean War forever.
Speaker 1:Like, that's some photos.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't mind seeing.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Jesus Christ, what do you do all day? Not watch drama, come on, no, I don't know. I've always liked mila. She's uh, she's a cutie pie she's your type, a little she's definitely my type. She's a little little gal with the uh dirty sense of humor. If you've ever seen our craig ferguson that somebody else had mentioned this, by the way that how? How did ben not mention craig ferguson? When we're talking about shows, what do you mean? Did you ever watch craig ferguson's show?
Speaker 1:the late night show. Yeah, I'm not a big late night show fan. I caught a little bit of it.
Speaker 2:You caught a couple episodes, yeah, yeah so that's why there's never been a late night show like Craig had. First of all, craig has got to be the most intelligent guy who's ever hosted any late night show, and probably the funniest as well, basically, since it was on at 11 pm or 11.30, whatever it was. It was just nonstop getting right to the edge of what you're allowed to do on network television in flirting with actresses.
Speaker 1:Okay cool.
Speaker 2:There's a whole series of YouTube videos that are nothing but cut cut-ups of different actresses. Multiple time appearances on craig ferguson I think that guy either was, or could have been banging like three actresses a night I like craig ferguson.
Speaker 1:I think he's hilarious. So you know, there's that, yeah, but um, I don't know, I just like the man show was uh stupid, I know I thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's it's, it's stupid, idiotic caricatures of what men find funny I thought it was hilarious anyway, yeah I think, um, dave ch.
Speaker 1:I find that hilarious, yeah, you know, but the late night interviews and talk shows and stuff like that I just don't care.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm going to send you a video that's kind of a mashup. See if you'll see next episode. If you change your mind about Craig and I'm not suggesting we rewatch his shows because they are very much set in a particular time, there's no reason to do that. But if you missed out completely on watching this stuff, at the very least there's some youtube videos out there that kind of do the best of bits okay, I've never liked any of the late night comedians, is the point well, he's not any of the late night comedians.
Speaker 2:He's an actual funny person. Most late night comedians get that job and, frankly, take that job because they think that's their best option. They're not funny without writers. That's the whole point. Craig didn't need writers. Everything he's doing is contemporaneous.
Speaker 1:So can we go back to the vice?
Speaker 2:archer vice president. Oh, vice president, what he said or you know anyway. Yeah, I don't think anyone cares about the craig ferguson thing at this point okay, if you care about craig ferguson, please let ben know, because ben keeps being wrong about things and you know, far be it for me to remind them when somebody else can be doing that oh anyway.
Speaker 1:So you know, jd really kind of went through and told, especially in germany, and this was at a munich security conference, right this was in germany and basically said um, if you're not allowing the alternative for deutschland, uh, to come in, and if you can't survive the vote, then your democracy isn't.
Speaker 2:It's not a democracy.
Speaker 1:It's not a democracy and you cannot the United States cannot help you and you cannot help the United States.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. That was the subtle messaging that basically said if you don't get with the program and stop all this PC Nazification that you're currently doing, you're currently doing yep uh, you're gonna get kicked out of nato congratulations, or the us may just leave nato well, that could be, but I think it's easier for the us to simply say you are hereby notified that within 30 days, your membership will be terminated unless you pay 10 years back.
Speaker 2:Pay for nato, uh, you know, budgetary spending, blah, blah, blah. We could come up with a way that basically makes them be kicked out without saying you're kicked out because you give them an alternative and say well, look, you haven't been contributing. Why would, why would you? We keep you in an organization where you're not contributing as a member? You know, you're simply getting on TV and bashing Ukraine is not a contribution. So and I think one of the moves that Trump can make that would actually be greatly cheered by people like you and me is to start closing down german military bases.
Speaker 2:Oh, that would that would send a very strong message to germany yeah, it would screw their economy yes, let's do it because, uh, we have been paying for europe with those bases, with supporting their economies, as Europe has become a lot more socialist and you know whatever way you want to label the politically correct behavior that's happening. Jd Vance's examples were brilliant where he said you know, almost all of EU politicians cheered when I think it was Sloakia or one of those countries had canceled their elections because they didn't like the outcome well that yeah, not canceled but declared a redo because of russian interference it's like yes, blame the big bad boogeyman for election interference when you don't get the result that you want.
Speaker 2:Right. That is not a democratic behavior.
Speaker 2:That is not a behavior the us ought to be supporting no, it's autocratic and frankly, I don't think that there's any real, actual threat to any of these countries becoming buddy buddy with russia.
Speaker 2:And then, because, really, why do we have military bases there? Because we didn't want r Russia to keep expanding westward. We wanted to stop the expansion of the Soviet Union and the communism that was happening in Eastern Europe as much as possible, and so, even after the Soviet Union and Suns fell, we wanted to ensure that that never happens again and therefore we accept these countries into NATO and effectively prevent them from ever becoming buddy-buddy with Soviet Union, slash Russia. But at this point, the amount of vitriol that has happened from these European countries that have nothing to do whatsoever with with ukraine and were frankly reliant on on russia for their uh energy were like little chihuahuas, little rabid dogs that just started yip, yip, yip, yip, yipping, and I think that pulling out us military out of germany would both send a tremendous uh message to germany saying you fucked up. This is not why we spent the trillion dollars that we have since world war ii to create a germany, that is democratic.
Speaker 1:What multiple trillion, multiple trillions. I'm trying to? Yeah, I'm trying to be you know, minimizing it the point is.
Speaker 2:It's more than billions.
Speaker 1:It is absolutely over a trillion dollars that we've spent on germany yes, and what it comes down to is I, I think we want them to be democratic, I think we want them to be able to uh but we're doing the same thing with them.
Speaker 2:We're enabling them to be going down the wrong path, just like we were with USAID and all these other groups in the government that for 80 years, regardless of who was in office, were steering towards a totalitarian version of anything but Russia. I mean, it's like it was literally a religion, and in Germany, in a lot of the same ways their religion is. Uh, we can act just like we did in world war two, as long as we don't have any imagery that looks like world war two.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I understand, I agree.
Speaker 2:Did you listen to?
Speaker 1:the recent episode of Rogan with Mike Benz. No.
Speaker 2:I'm not a big fan of Mike Benz.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:He's a dick.
Speaker 1:I mean, so you should get along swimmingly.
Speaker 2:He was an extreme anti-Trumper, extreme anti-Trumper. Okay trumper, extreme anti-trumper. Okay, uh, he, uh. There's a number of libertarian points that, uh, that he has pushed, that I just don't agree with. I just I, I don't like the guy okay.
Speaker 1:Well, let me just say this it's worth listening to for just the information that he presents on USAID and the software.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, that part of it is. Yeah, he's been very rabidly into USAID and that's a good thing.
Speaker 1:And he's been very right about a lot of things for a long time.
Speaker 2:That's hyperbole. He's not, absolutely not, been right about a lot of things, but that USAID he has been right about One thing does not make a lot.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, anyway, it is an episode worth listening to.
Speaker 2:Did you see that our buddy Adam was on Joe Rogan?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did. It was kind of not a great episode, though, sadly.
Speaker 2:Well, I think they're just two buddies talking. I mean, it was more like my episode with Darren.
Speaker 1:The problem is like Adam, he told several of the stories that he's told on there before is like he told several of the stories that he's told on there before and that you know, I don't know that that's a good thing for the old people audience. Yeah, I guess let's see.
Speaker 2:I guess it's like your grandfather telling the same story over and over and over. Uh, I think he's not yet, but you know you're not yet um, you know I I will say that I've had a couple of people text me and say hey do you know that adam's christian, because this is the first time they've seen him on anything since that happened. So like three years, I guess four years, whatever it's been so I you know, just cuz he's on Joe Rogan. Telling the same stories doesn't mean the same people are listening.
Speaker 1:I'm okay enough, fair enough. I all right. It was less of a episode for me to listen to, then I'll put it that way yeah, you didn't get much out of it. No, yeah so the trump administration is talking about auditing fort knox I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:What, yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 1:auditing fort knox like what gold is actually?
Speaker 2:there's no gold in fort knox there hasn't been in 30 years, 40 years it'll be very interesting public disclosure we have these issues come out in the 80s that fort knox had actually moved all its gold so that it wouldn't be concentrated it was in that whole process was part of a James Bond movie made in the 70s about how Fort Knox is shifting around their goal.
Speaker 1:The point is it's part of the sovereign wealth fund that he's setting up.
Speaker 2:There is nothing and it's empty. There's nothing there?
Speaker 1:Well, it'll be an interesting public accounting, won't it?
Speaker 2:Nope, can't let that go out. That would crash the US economy overnight. So it really doesn't matter what's there or what's not there. You cannot say anything other than everything's good. Why? Because it would literally crash the US economy. Why? Why? If the US doesn't have any stored gold, that means the dollar is worthless well, the dollar isn't backed up by any gold at all a country not having any gold at all to trade with others other than in its own currency makes the currency worthless.
Speaker 2:The currency why do you think China has been buying? I think Russia's been going go we just back it up with nukes no, that's not enough.
Speaker 2:Nukes don't make other people trade with you. Nukes just keep them from doing things you don't like, but they don't make them trade. This is, this is where the um, I think, if people are thinking that nukes are going to be enough, this is where there's a big mistake about belton road, as well as uh bricks in general, because if you build an organization based on trade, that's very different than building an organization based on a threat of nuclear attack okay, so let's let's back up one.
Speaker 1:I think that there that we do have some gold, and the question is how?
Speaker 2:much we do. Yeah, I just don't think anywhere near as much as we're supposed to.
Speaker 1:Right, okay, fine. And second of all, the US dollar is already, you know, fairly worthless and we need to see about, you know.
Speaker 2:US bonds would be trading at a negative if there's no gold in Fort Knox.
Speaker 1:I don't know that. I believe that, but anyway, so let me ask you this why are they proposing auditing Fort Knox? They shouldn't be. Why and why do you think?
Speaker 2:they are. That's what I just said. Why are they?
Speaker 1:But everything that he's done and he has impressed the hell out of both of us for a while Unless they want to use that as a way to convince people that everything's okay.
Speaker 2:So if the audit of Fort Knox is we're good to go, everything is just the way it should be, then I'd be more suspicious that okay. Well, this was obviously the plan. All along is to show look, we've found problems everywhere, so you can trust us.
Speaker 1:And we found no problems at Fort Knox and you can trust us because it's a cover-up, or maybe there's actually gold in.
Speaker 2:Fort Knox? I don't think so. Do you believe that a government that has basically been running with both parties in control, mind you, up until this particular term of Trump, including Trump's last term A government that's been running it basically just doing a money laundering operation for itself for literally since the Civil War, that somehow they would manage to keep their little greedy fingers out of fort knox?
Speaker 1:come on um, I think there's no need for them to touch the actual gold, though right, they get the money, they get the power, they get everything without touching do you know what a person, what they don't have? Okay, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And granted that, there's plenty of people that did not turn in their gold when they were mandated to by the US government which is how Fort. Knox originally got all its gold, but that number of people who didn't turn it in, I think, is still way less than the amount of gold that we're going to. Well, we probably won, won't know, but that is actually missing from fort knox because this was going around again. This is shit. I heard in the 80s that, that it was a not particularly contested fact that fort knox was a whole
Speaker 1:bunch of tungsten bars covered in gold and maybe that's the case and maybe the audit will just go count number of bars yeah, if they're looking. As long as we never have to send it out.
Speaker 2:Every audit they've done so far has just been a bunch of teenagers looking at computer screens. At least that's what the media tells me, so I have to believe you did see uh you did well, yes, which was hilarious like that.
Speaker 1:That happened since the last time we uh yeah yeah, no, the big balls is uh hilarious um and I I love watching the news media have to say it over and over and over again and uh, the funniest meme I saw was anderson cooper saying I don't like big balls, and then it was.
Speaker 2:Nobody believes him, right?
Speaker 1:no, it's the uh anchorman underneath saying I don't believe you which is just hilarious.
Speaker 2:But yeah, or or that other black dude who's gay. What's his name? Don Rickles or something.
Speaker 1:Oh Don Lemon.
Speaker 2:Lemon yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, it's just. The hilarity has continued. It is amazing what is being done.
Speaker 2:I am very happy about it.
Speaker 1:Did you see, though, the uh nick fuentes uh episode on the dollar? Did you watch that?
Speaker 2:uh, I watched the part of it. I didn't watch the whole thing.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, they make some pretty interesting. I have a short attention span, so apparently the zoomers are all the zoomers and the gen Xers are like goldfish.
Speaker 2:Ooh.
Speaker 1:What's that over there yeah?
Speaker 2:Squirrel.
Speaker 1:Squirrel. No, it's a very good episode. I would encourage a lot of people to listen to it. I don't necessarily agree with all their conclusions, but it's interesting to listen to and hear.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Basically their thought is the way the liquidity is going right now and I think that there's a chance for this, that the us may be the last man standing as a lot of other countries go into sovereign default. Now, when they're talking about this, they are. I don't know that they're thinking about BRICS and the Eastern countries, but definitely the West.
Speaker 1:And I can see that for the West. But the problem comes in to where exactly who else is left standing, because if it's Russia, then that actually might be okay. Right, we can do a multipolar world with Russia. We've done it before.
Speaker 2:If it's China or India, then that may be a very different thing is in not bringing russia into nato absolutely creating a something that russia would want to try and get out of but would have an extremely difficult time getting out of, and instead they did this whole like you're, you guys, lost and now you're going to be sitting with the the kids table forever.
Speaker 2:uh, no, dude, their political system sucked. It doesn't mean that the people are going to be willing to put up with, you know, being in last place forever Ain't going to happen.
Speaker 1:I agree.
Speaker 2:Now, the one thing that I heard something about but didn't watch the video yet it's on my Q list is the, the chinese uh inflation rate. Did you know anything about this?
Speaker 1:yes, uh, they are doing quantitative easing like mad because of, well, several things, but what it comes down to is their real estate market is absolutely, totally devastated and crashing.
Speaker 2:And if they don't do, the one thing you think in the country with a lot of people, real estate would be a rising market uh, yeah, it would be if they had a population growth, but since their population is in utter collapse, it certainly doesn't seem to be. I wonder if we can buy Chinese property.
Speaker 1:I don't know that I would do that, but you go right ahead.
Speaker 2:I like Chinese food.
Speaker 1:You know what? I have no problem with Chinese food, but I just don't believe that that government is going to respect property rights at the end of the day.
Speaker 2:Well, what about all the skyscrapers that are built out there? Well, what about all the the um?
Speaker 1:skyscrapers that are built out there. Well, a lot of them when you actually look. Uh, a lot of these. A lot of the buildings have not been finished.
Speaker 2:Oh, here we go, I got my answer.
Speaker 1:What's that?
Speaker 2:Yes, us citizens are allowed to own property in China. Cool. Mm-hmm. Interesting Ben, you want to buy a condominium and start trumping.
Speaker 1:And start what.
Speaker 2:Trumping.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Trumping?
Speaker 2:Getting rich off being a landlord.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think that that's going to work. I would not. No, I do not want to buy anything in China.
Speaker 2:Well, China's buying US farmland. The least we should do is buy their housing.
Speaker 1:You know, you know, you know. Interesting um, interesting. Well, technically, uh, we could even buy russian property. Uh, that's pretty hard with the sanctions, but yes, well, it's totally doable with gold yeah, okay hmm, I don't know that that is really true, but okay interesting because the us, you're a us citizen and us citizens are barred from doing business with russia can.
Speaker 2:uh, yeah, yeah, but you know, any property you buy is going to be a property that you buy from a Greek, not from a Russian or Cypriot property. Okay, how about owning property in the Philippines? Do you want to buy some land in the Philippines?
Speaker 1:That I could do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, except you're not allowed to because Philippines does not allow US. Want to buy some land in the philippines. That I could do, yeah, except you're not allowed to because philippines does not allow us citizens to buy property okay okay and yeah, yeah. So what? My point is? It's funny that we can buy property in china and I mean the united states, and then russia, and I mean the united states, but we can't buy property in the Philippines, which, frankly, we liberated and should own at this point.
Speaker 1:Well, you know we'll just wait for the expansionism. It's coming.
Speaker 2:The, the new whoa Imperialism. Is that what they're saying? Exactly, yeah, yes, absolutely. Why? Why do I keep hearing the Imperialism?
Speaker 1:Is that what they're calling it? Exactly? Yeah, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Why do I keep hearing the march of the Empire from Star Wars every time I think of American imperialism?
Speaker 1:Really so that's interesting. Dun dun, dun dun dun dun I really more think of it, as you know? Hey, grandpa, tell me about the good old days.
Speaker 2:Let's see if they'll cancel us. The good old days. Is Grandpa old enough to remember back when the United States was acquiring properties left and right, not quite my grandfather. Great. Grandpa probably was.
Speaker 1:My grandfather was my great grandfather, definitely was. Yeah, my grandfather was my great-grandfather definitely was yeah.
Speaker 2:So, anyway, your grandfather was Really. You know how old is he, or was he's dead, probably, right?
Speaker 1:He is, he has passed. But yeah, so he was born in the in the 30s, so yeah. We've added territory since the I mean, mean we've added territory technically since my dad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean what else have we added? Uh, alaska hawaii, no, alaska dude, that was in the 1800s no, it did not become a state until I. You didn't say state, you said we added territory. Okay well. I mean, you gotta at least be consistent here, dude.
Speaker 1:Okay fine.
Speaker 2:What's the last state? Hawaii?
Speaker 1:Yeah 53?. Yep.
Speaker 2:So yeah, although I think Greenland may very well become a state in our lifetimes greenland and man.
Speaker 1:One of the funniest things I saw was uh an appeal on twitter for uh saskatchewan to uh leave canada.
Speaker 2:Did you see that? I did not know but, but it is funny because you know where saskatchewan is located right yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So the, the appeal one of the one guy put out there was become america's middle finger to the rest of canada, exactly that.
Speaker 2:That is kind of where it would be yeah, exactly it was hilarious.
Speaker 1:You know, one of the things we must say is that we live in interesting times which is good and bad, but it is. It is scary as hell at the same time well, it is, um.
Speaker 2:And speaking of scary, did you see that nasa keeps upping the percentage of collision with the incoming near-Earth object? Okay, I can't remember the official name of this particular one, but it is a chunk of debris.
Speaker 1:How big is it?
Speaker 2:It's sizable. It's not quite as big as the one that hit the gulf of mexico, but I think they're saying it's like um a few football fields. Okay, so it would uh cause a few issues but they, they, they had it listed as at right around one percent, which already started getting people to start noticing it, and then, over the course of the last month, they've slowly, a tenth of a percent at a time, bumped it up to 2.1% now.
Speaker 1:Basically 1 in 50 chance it's going to hit. I mean, I don't think that's the way that's calculated, but okay, I mean, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2:The calculation is very easy. It's the accuracy of the estimation of the trajectory, so as their estimates get better, which is easier to do when it gets closer, they're gonna have a a more accurate calculation of what's the odds of it missing versus odds of it hitting well, you know um there's a lot of fuzz in those numbers, because even if it does come real close, we're not talking about climate change bullshit here. This is actual calculable trajectories, because there's no friction.
Speaker 1:Well, but that's the exact point is, especially when it gets to a near-Earth pass, there's a lot of variability. Once you start saying atmosphere, does it graze off what happens? There. I mean there's a lot of things there that are up in the air off. What happens there?
Speaker 2:I mean there's, there's a lot of things there that are up in the air, yeah, and I think, I think getting into the atmosphere is what those two percent are like. They they haven't said the chance of it actually hitting the planet and creating a crater. They've said of its um collision with earth, which includes Earth's atmosphere. So would it burn up? Probably not completely at that size. Something like that's going to, at the very least, create a whole bunch of large, like house-sized rocks all falling in the same direction.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if it breaks apart. That or it could skip off.
Speaker 2:there's a lot of options there I don't think it's going to skip off, and the reason for that is because of the uh, anything that is on a very large orbit to the earth. If it comes anywhere near the earth orbit to the earth, if it comes anywhere near the earth, its speed in that direction is going to be so much greater than the effect of the friction caused by uh going into the atmosphere. It it's it's more likely to break apart, way more likely than to skip off, and and if you're talking about something that is on a low earth orbit, that can definitely skip off because it's it doesn't have the same velocity, this thing will.
Speaker 1:But either way, 2% is pretty good. I will say this the velocity doesn't matter, it's the angle and if it survives, uh impact with the atmosphere. So if it doesn't break up and it hits at a shallow enough angle, it will skip off.
Speaker 2:That is completely dependent on the speed, because the atmosphere is not sufficiently thick enough for something that's moving really fast to skip off. It'll skip off if it's a fairly slow-moving object.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so surface tension is what you're talking surface tension is what you're talking about here, and have you ever skipped a rock on a pond?
Speaker 2:have you ever skipped a rock off the atmosphere?
Speaker 1:it's, it doesn't matter, it's fluid dynamics, it's the same thing. The principles are exactly the same thing it is.
Speaker 2:it is absolutely not the same thing, because water, which you may not know, is not compressible, while atmosphere is gaseous and it is compressible.
Speaker 1:Let me get you up to some science here, Ben. I'm aware that liquid water does not compress. But the reason why rock skips isn't because of the lack of compressibility of water. Oh, it absolutely is okay, gene, we'll discuss fluid dynamics uh after the show yeah, absolutely that's happy to do that ben anyway so I'm not worried about the asteroid.
Speaker 2:I glad to see you're tracking it, though for me I yeah, I'll let you know if it keeps going up or if they back off on it and it goes down. We've got quite a bit of time. It's not going to come here until, uh, 2030, re or five. I can't remember if it's 2033 or 235. So we got a few years.
Speaker 1:But what was interesting to me is just the fact that they were revising the number on a weekly basis well, you know, it all comes down to the fact that you know Trump's president and they need to know if they need to take something out yes, yes, I.
Speaker 2:I wish Trump along and the happy life. I'm not sure that he's gonna care about an asteroid 2035 well, I'm talking about the economic reset, like if oh, trump is successful and if you know. Uh, so you're saying we might need to do that scenario where the the earthers send a ship to to put nukes on the asteroid to divert its trajectory?
Speaker 1:yes, that bruce willis.
Speaker 2:What was that movie called bruce willis was? I think? Uh armageddon oh, there you go, there you go. So that's that would require probably a bump in the budget for nasa, I would imagine bump in the budget for spacex, nasa, a bunch of people oh, another thing now this is not confirmed yet, but the rumor mill seems to be pretty, pretty sure of it is that they're saying that nasa is absolutely on the verge of canceling their contract with um jesse's company oh blue origin yeah, what what was their contract?
Speaker 1:I mean, he hasn't done anything to right, that's.
Speaker 2:the problem is because they're like five years delayed now, Because originally they got a contract from NASA, because they were and this is actually a good idea is that they wanted diversity.
Speaker 1:Right, they gave it to. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So Boeing got the contract.
Speaker 1:Boeing, spacex and Blue Origin. And Blue Origin, yeah, and one other. What was the satellite launch company?
Speaker 2:Oh, Rocket Lab.
Speaker 1:Maybe there was one other that got a fairly substantial contract at the same time.
Speaker 2:But there is. You know, while we're seeing progress, both in terms of testing and in terms of actual flights going almost on the well, in fact more than weekly, several flights a week going up for SpaceX, we're just not seeing diddly squat. And I think Boeing is probably not far behind from getting canceled as well because all the problems they had with their manned mission test resulting in their astronauts not being able to go back from the space station on that same landing craft. So but yeah, but blue origin has just been in like perpetual internal testing phase and nothing's coming out of those flights so effectively.
Speaker 2:They've only had one supplier this whole time, which is SpaceX, which has worked out for them, which is nice for SpaceX, and they've done a good job servicing NASA as well. But I do think ideally you do have at least two different contractors that can do that.
Speaker 2:The problem is there's no other spacex out there uh, boeing's the closest yeah, sure, and, and I've been a big fan of the um, uh, the uh, the delta rockets that that were flying um, I was, I think, was the last one, but you know, those are supposed to be wrapping up. They were supposed to have wrapped up, in fact, I think, two years ago, supposed to have their last flight, and the new rocket was going to be powered by engines made by Blue Origin, which have been delayed. So I think they've actually got those engines out now and the rockets are now getting built, but the timeline at this point is probably five years beyond where the original contract called for for the launch dates to be. So it's hard to say.
Speaker 2:I know a couple of people that have worked. Well, I know one guy well, two guys that worked at NASA, um, one on the space shuttle, one right after the space shuttle, on the space shuttle, one right after the space shuttle, and I know one guy that's at spacex, and everybody has their pet theory about uh, what was the best of the us? Like, what was the us program best during the uh von braun days? Uh, and it just started going downhill after that. Was it best during the space shuttle days? Was it best using private rocketry the way it is now.
Speaker 1:What's your thought on that? Well, I think the Saturn V rocket is the most complicated piece of machinery ever built by man.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to disagree. I think it is extremely complex, and complex in a lot of ways, because it was built effectively without computing power it is rudimentary computing aboard, but it was effectively built without computing power, which is impressive as fuck.
Speaker 1:Well, if anyone has a chance to go see the saturn 5 in houston, all the mechanical, all the mechanical controls required to maintain that, like you know, spacex and this starship is a larger than the saturn fire yeah, right, yeah, there's no doubt but they're doing it with a lot more small engines, and the only reason why they're able to do that is because they have the computer control and the ability to handle the thrust vectoring that they. They have, yeah, which that would not exist. That did not exist at the time.
Speaker 2:So it existed fairly shortly thereafter, but wasn't successful the n1 that russia built was actually bigger than the saturn and it but it did. It had uh, it had, I want to say, 30, 30 engines and it it was based on the exact same concept that Starship is. In fact, musk talked about it how he was always a big fan of the N1. The problem was because it was built in the pre-computerized age. They could never get things working in the real world the way they should work theoretically, and so it was. In a lot of ways. The rocket itself, while conceived in the 60s, could not be built to the standards where it would fly reliably, and I think every single flight crashed.
Speaker 1:I mean a Soviet-des designed piece of machinery failing.
Speaker 2:What? No, it's not. Soviet design is actually good design. Soviet manufacturing is where the problem lies. Now I may be biased because my dad was a Soviet engineer, but actually both of my parents were. But the manufacturing in any communist country is just abysmal. It sucks, even in socialist countries like China. Why do we always make fun of Chinese products? Well, because there's a good reason to, because generally they're worse quality than Japanese products.
Speaker 2:They fail Right. But even without failing, they're just not made to the exact specifications, the way that German used to be don't think they will be anymore or the way the Japanese products are made to Like. That level of detail does not exist in China, at least not for mass market products.
Speaker 1:Well, the manufacturing is certainly a problem for them and everybody else um, but what I would say is the we haven't seen yet a chinese designed product out the gate fully that has taken the world by storm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're very good at copying other people's stuff Sure and mass producing it.
Speaker 1:And they're good at iteration.
Speaker 3:And they're pretty good. They're not great. They do iteration, all right, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Every time I need to buy a new pillow it has to be a new model number, because they stopped making the old one that I had okay I just ordered one, so it's a practical example I'm like why can't I just reorder?
Speaker 1:the same damn thing on amazon that I got last time oh because they have a new model now yeah, because they're getting sued and they've got to stop selling that one, probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's called Just Our Pillow. It's a great Chinese brand.
Speaker 1:You're joking. You're joking, come on.
Speaker 2:They're great. They cool your head off.
Speaker 1:That's not the point, though You've got to be joking on that.
Speaker 3:I don't know what you're talking about, sorry I can't, I can't not laugh, I can't keep a straight face here yeah, anyway um and so yeah my pillow
Speaker 2:is for you. Yeah, no, in russia it'd be called your pillow. No, no, it would be. In China, it's our pillow. No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:In Soviet Russia.
Speaker 2:You do not have pillow, we have pillow, we have pillow exactly.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness, that is too funny.
Speaker 2:I remember sleeping on.
Speaker 1:You caught me off guard with that one. I remember sleeping on an actual goose down pillow in russia um would not recommend, not that anybody, not that you're uh hoity-toity or anything what do you mean?
Speaker 2:well, it was made out of a goose that we ate. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:okay, uh, it's out in the country, dude.
Speaker 2:I had an outhouse. I didn't have a toilet. It's out in the country dude. I had an outhouse, I didn't have a toilet I've been there done that, and it was my pet goose to boot. Yeah, losing a pet animal when you're like four years old to the dinner table is not really something you're prepared for okay that's like finding out that santa claus is fake by watching santa claus.
Speaker 1:Fuck your mom okay, that's a little. That's a little.
Speaker 2:You're going the same exact thing when you're a little kid and you realize that you're eating your pet goose, that's not a you know that thing was. I used to walk it around the yard and you know, feed it, feed it and stuff, and then it turned out.
Speaker 1:This is why we don't name animals on the farm.
Speaker 2:I did. Well, yeah, probably shouldn't, right? Yeah, not. If, well, I don't know, maybe, maybe if you're a, an adult and you don't have kids, then it's not a bad thing. But yeah, yeah, anyway. What I was gonna say is that did that? Anybody who thinks that down pillows are great as a moron has never had one. Because the the thing you got to remember is that feathers are, they're both not uniform, and so you have lumpiness. And two is, if you're a sweat or you spill a drink on your pillow or get any kind of water in there, holy shit does that stink. And you can't get that smell out for days, if not weeks I, I, I disagree, I actually.
Speaker 1:So I have a. I sleep on two pillows. One is a, you know, hotel style, firm, nice pillow. And then I've got a down soft down pillow on top of that.
Speaker 2:And where'd you buy that pillow, I've got one for the support and one for the. And where'd you buy the down pillow?
Speaker 1:I don't remember at this point.
Speaker 2:What makes you think it's down?
Speaker 1:It's a down pillow.
Speaker 2:Have you looked inside? Uh, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1:If it doesn't smell, it's not a down pillow okay, it'd be very interesting to see, but it's a down pillow and I use a down comfort chat.
Speaker 2:Tell ben you want to have him cut the pillow open.
Speaker 1:I'm not cutting my favorite pillow open.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:Is this pillow, like my goose for you?
Speaker 3:No, it's just, I don't do A down. Pillows are extremely expensive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they're hard to get good ones, and when you've got a good one like this, one's stained up, it's old, it's been around the block. But you know what? It's mine and it's there, yeah. And you know, don't spill shit on your fucking pillow.
Speaker 2:You know sometimes when you're having a tea in bed things happen. Get off your ass and don't have a tea in bed. Well, I mean, you can have a tea out of bed too. One's not mutually exclusive with the other.
Speaker 2:Anyway, and it doesn't have to be tea, it could be plenty of other things believe me Either way, I'm a big fan of the Well you know we're not talking mattress protectors here. I'm a big fan of the modern pillows that cool your head off and have plastic inside. Okay, I am not what else we got. Is there a new gun that Ben bought?
Speaker 1:No, but I did set my dad up with a MCK.
Speaker 2:Oh, nice, nice. And is he enjoying?
Speaker 1:it. He hasn't shot it yet, he just got it this weekend and we installed it on his Glock clone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember you bought that for, or he bought that rather based on your recommendation. What like six months ago, Nine months ago?
Speaker 1:The Glock clone. Yeah, uh I remember you talking about it yeah yeah, so that's.
Speaker 2:I assume that's the same clone. He didn't buy a separate clone just for this correct, but this is after he saw mine.
Speaker 1:You know this is going to be his truck gun yeah and my dad's getting old enough that shooting a pistol. You know he was never a great pistol shot to begin with.
Speaker 2:So there you go yeah, yeah, I could see that, um, although, uh, after seeing I can't remember the company now, but somebody made a. Well, there's two guns that looked really cool. One was a p90 um frame or a like, basically strike industries, is it? Strike okay so, yeah, you, you take the insides out of your p90 and then you put it and it makes it slightly bigger but way nicer looking and way more practical, and that's if you're going to keep the barrel length.
Speaker 2:So basically, their, their frame adds a quad rail up front yeah for the s for the ps9 ps90, whereas the normal ps9 me, let's just face it looks gay because it shouldn't be sticking out that far compared to the ps, that's compared to the, the p90, which has a barrel that is too short for the overlords to let American citizens have.
Speaker 1:Well, we'll see that actually may change under Trump. I'm actually pretty hopeful that we're going to get a change in the NFA.
Speaker 2:That would be great. I would love to see that happening. Obviously, that would create a ton of both jobs and a ton of uh economy boosting spending by a lot of guys selling their their single shot versions of guns that they have and buying the full auto versions.
Speaker 1:Ah, and I would be buying semi-auto versions of things very cheaply, which would make me happy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think we've had this conversation that from a practical standpoint, nobody needs full auto. From a fun standpoint, nobody needs single fire.
Speaker 1:Yeah standpoint nobody needs single fire. Yeah. So the way I would say is I wouldn't mind him burst, but what I would do I would have if I could have any gun in the world, full auto, just for fun. It would have to either be a bar or a uh mg42 I think for purely fun.
Speaker 2:Uh the, uh the bar in 22 caliber with a they don't make it in 22.
Speaker 1:What do you mean?
Speaker 2:they.
Speaker 1:Well, I've shot one, so they do how, how, how would a bar browning automatic rifles yeah, from world war I II ever be checked in 22.?
Speaker 2:Sorry, Tommy gun is what I'm thinking of. That would be great.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, there's the Tommy gun with a 250-round magazine is so fucking fun. Yeah, there's the AM-180 as well, which is basically what you're talking about, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, there you go. Yeah, no, you're right, I was picturing the tommy gun and I'm saying, uh, the the browning, but no, I was thinking I don't know the, the brownie, the bar, which was, you know, a big, heavy boy that shot 30-06 at uh full auto yeah, I would not want to shoot that for fun, I would much rather shoot a I mean, frankly, a p90 native p90 full auto would be so cool with five, seven yeah yeah with five, seven, fifty round mags.
Speaker 2:It's plenty on there. Uh, I remember still to this day the first time that I saw the promotion video from fabrique national for that gun, with a, a dude running through a field in france and then, uh, grabbing a p90 in each hand, akimbo style, and letting off 100 rounds, flying at a very fast pace. I was like oh man I so want this.
Speaker 2:and then, of course, the next, uh, the next battlefield video game had that in there. And the same thing with Call of Duty. I was like, yes, this is the gun to have, so I would totally love that the problem with that is the ammo is so fucking expensive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the ammo would come down. But this is the whole PDW concept, right? And actually a reasonable defense gun, and that's what the P90 really is is a pdw yeah, absolutely, you know to the chagrin of stargate fans. But yes, well, why?
Speaker 2:why? To the chagrin of stargate fans because they were using it as a primary weapon there are plenty of people that use pdw as the primary weapon, depending on the circumstances just they they knew no alien worlds were so hostile that they would require anything larger than 22 caliber weapon okay and were they wrong yes, I mean look at look at the look at that versus the Ga'uld Staff, which is a single-shot, large-caliber, slow-ass moving weapon.
Speaker 1:It's not a single shot, but okay.
Speaker 2:Oh, you remember how long it takes to reload. That's a fucking slow-ass gun.
Speaker 1:Again, weapon of war versus weapon of terror, sure.
Speaker 2:Well, fair enough, that's true, yeah, and you know it's made by, basically, slugs that live in your brain. So what do you expect? Yeah, and then, now that I've said that I'm thinking of claudia black she was only on, like the last couple of seasons. I think yeah it might have just been one, but for sure, uh, no more than two yep she was and brought her attitude, which is always the best part claudia black.
Speaker 1:What was? What do you think her best performance was?
Speaker 2:I think performance wise it probably was an sg1. I think that you know. We saw her the longest, obviously in um uh the, which you know, the show I'm talking about. The other show, farscape yeah, that one. So we got to see a lot more of her, but when she was in farscape she was like a couple years out of acting school.
Speaker 2:She was still fairly, fairly bad at acting okay I mean, she had a killer body and and they gave her a. Well, I don't know if they gave her with a script or she just brought the attitude, but she definitely had the attitude back then too.
Speaker 1:Did you see the movie Pitch Black?
Speaker 2:Mm-mm. Nope.
Speaker 1:Oh, she was in that.
Speaker 2:How was she? Eh, you know hot. Yeah, yeah. But if you look at her and you don't know who she is, if you just look at an image of her, you just think, oh, she's kind of hot. But when she opens her mouth up she just gets so much hotter.
Speaker 1:Which is not typical for most women.
Speaker 2:No, it's not, no, it's. That's. The thing is that a lot of hot women, when they open up their mouth, start talking, will completely just make you go. Okay, well, nevermind, pass Right, because they're, until you hear them speak. You don't realize how stupid they are. With some women, a small sliver and I put my ex-wife into this sliver as well when they open up their mouths and start talking, they become hotter because they are sarcastic. They are sharp, become hotter because they are sarcastic. They are sharp and they know how to um, you know, say things that just make a man go, holy shit well, or at least make g go, holy shit um sure, I mean, I guess there is a percentage of population which is gay that wouldn't have that effect.
Speaker 2:But for the rest of us, yes.
Speaker 1:Jesus Christ, dude Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, ben enough talking about women opening their mouths. Move on to other issues, topics. You talked about your new computer or did not talk. No, you didn't. You told you told me about it. You didn't really talk about it. What do you mean? Well, your computer's a piece of shit.
Speaker 1:It blue screened on you right, because we're starting to record today. Yeah, right, as we were starting the podcast, so we had to start over again not a good sign for a brand new piece of equipment well, you know what I've already uh started the amazon return process. Thank you, and uh, I actually ordered that one. I sent you the geek. Yeah, that's a great name, by the way yeah, yeah, yeah, but uh, so I'm spending a little bit more, but it's got a reason seven in it.
Speaker 2:Huh, they don't have it on amazon.
Speaker 1:You have to get they do, but it was cheaper on their website I'd probably still go for amazon, just from a return standpoint so basically the thing looks just like a mac mini yep which is good.
Speaker 2:So it's aluminum which is good for cooling as well yep 32 gigs of ram.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's got a pretty crappy graphics card, but that's not what you're buying it for anyway.
Speaker 2:So, um, right here Seven. Yeah, yep, it's got a pretty crappy graphics card, but that's not what you're buying it for anyway, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:It actually has a really good graphics card for an integrated graphics card, Uh yeah.
Speaker 2:For integrated graphics.
Speaker 1:Sure, sure, and this is a mini PC, you're not going to have standalone graphics.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean have standalone graphics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean my, my graphics card is bigger than the whole pc sure, again not a gaming pc no not the intention.
Speaker 2:Well good, I'm glad that you're not being too cheap ass, the way you usually are, and are getting something a little better, a little more expensive yeah, well, I'm, you know, returning one of the things was so the mini piece yeah two, sorry, it's got two hdmi's on it too, that's cool, so does this one that I'm got now oh really yeah, but it also has two display link ports in those usb uh, c's yeah, so there you go, but the the point is the.
Speaker 1:So the, the one I'm on right now, was 170 something dollars. Yeah, cheap. Uh, intel 100 cpu, 16 gigs of ram, you know, 500 gig hard drive, plenty for what I wanted podcasting.
Speaker 2:It's probably fine, but not if it's screens well hold on.
Speaker 1:But then I decided you know what, I want three monitors on this one. The one I'm ordering will support it. So I had to get a usb uh three graphics card or to run a third monitor. And then I had to get uh. Well, I want 2.5 gig uh connection on this. So I had to get a dongle. So now, by the time I do both those dongles and all this, I'm within $100 of this nicer one anyway.
Speaker 2:So might as well just return all that and get the nicer one. My question I don't know if you've investigated this is it comes with an SSD. Does it have room for another one in there or not?
Speaker 1:It does actually. Okay, so you can stick in a second one. This has another SSD slot, which is awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's very good Because you really it's a pain in the ass to have to replace your one internal one. It's much better if it has two and you just add like an eight terabyte one in there. No, but I don't need that storage no, I'm not talking about one terabyte by one of these down two, one of the.
Speaker 1:The storage for this is fine, yeah, but look into it because the there is some expansion capability on this particular one.
Speaker 2:I'm looking right now 449 from them.
Speaker 1:But you're saying if you actually if you do it through PayPal, like part of the thing was PayPal threw me an offer of 5% off, or whatever it was. So it ended up being $4.20, something shipped. Huh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, this looks very cute. I have two unused monitors here. Well, one technically unused monitor I could plug something into.
Speaker 1:Well, and it's got a Versa mount that comes with it, and all that too, so you could mount it on the back of your monitor.
Speaker 2:Oh, really yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It comes with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's very cool.
Speaker 1:VESA mount, yeah, v VESA, whatever you want to call it yeah, okay, well, cool, I will definitely think about it.
Speaker 2:I don't need a PC, but this has enough stuff in it that maybe I can justify getting rid of my big old NAS and just using this as the beginning of a uh like, uh, something else. Because one thing here's why I need to figure out it even has a sata port on the motherboard oh, that's yeah so you could, you could do a case modification.
Speaker 1:Take the external center. Yeah, yeah. He said uh, for like having a big 10 terabyte, some spinning drive that's in its own enclosure right. You're powering through E Seda, uh, or you're powering separately and connected through E Seda?
Speaker 2:Well, the one thing too I I haven't done any research on, but I think these exist is a Thunderbolt-to-Thunderbolt direct connection cable. So essentially, instead of using 2.5 gig Ethernet, you would have a 10 gig or even a 20 gig. I guess it'd be 20 gigs Thunderbolt-to-Thunderbolt connection between two computers, that that would pass ethernet packets over, or uh um, I mean there's, you can do a lot with usbc for sure, but what, what's what?
Speaker 1:I couldn't find anything high speed on usbc dude, this has like 20 gig ports on right.
Speaker 2:It's got 20 gig ports, but I couldn't find anything that would let you use that type of speed between two computers connecting to each other through USB-C. I'm pretty sure you could do it through Thunderbolt. You can have two computers connected over Thunderbolt and it will treat the Thunderbolt as a network connection. I don't know if that, if you find something, usb-c is way cheaper. So you find something that lets you connect to computers via USB-C and lets you treat that USB-C connection between them as a network connection, that'd be great. I've not found anything. I searched for a couple days.
Speaker 1:Okay okay, I'm pretty sure it works. But I know it works on Android phones when you're copying from one to another.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, but I don't think that connection is going at full USB or full USB-C speeds and I don't know what it's. I mean, I don't know. I I couldn't find that connection is going at full USB or full USB-C speeds and I don't know what it's. I mean, I don't know, I couldn't find anything.
Speaker 1:If you find something, then definitely let me know, because if anybody knows anything, do you want it on Windows or Mac?
Speaker 2:Either or both. I mean, if I could get all both types of computers talking to each other, that'd be great, but right now I I'm. What I would like to do is for my gaming shit that I'm doing on youtube. I'm using the same computer to play the game, to capture the video and then to edit the video before posting it. Right, what I would love to do is just have the gaming computer be doing.
Speaker 2:Well doing the well. There's two options. One is just gaming and using a separate computer to do the capturing and the editing. But I don't like. Capturing doesn't actually take all that much CPU. It's surprisingly little overhead it's probably about 4% and it doesn't take any GPU. So recording on the same computer that you're playing is actually not a bad. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but I would love to then have that just copy that file that was recorded over and then do the editing.
Speaker 2:And you know the the long part of editing isn't necessarily the actual editing, it's the rendering. And if I could offload that onto a separate computer, that would be super cool and that can be either done in gpu or cpu. It takes longer with cpu, obviously, but if it's a separate computer, who gives a shit? Because it's not tying up your main one? Because while I'm rendering my videos, which is at about 2X speed, so like a one-hour video, takes about half an hour to render. Yeah, but that's a half hour that I can't do anything else on the computer because if I do it'll slow down the rendering.
Speaker 1:Yeah, by the way, I just sent you the inter-domain connections in Windows for USB 4. The inter domain connections in windows for. Usb four, uh USB four, which uh is lined up with C and Thunderbolt, and all that allows the windows connection manager allows you to do oh it's built in windows 11.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably not 10, though.
Speaker 1:Uh, no, it should be the same uh connection manager for 10. And, anyway, but yes, you can do that and take full advantage of the speed.
Speaker 2:So if I just take a regular cable and I plug in that cable into two PCs, they should be able to watch.
Speaker 1:I just sent you the Microsoft link on how to do it.
Speaker 2:I would love for you to try that, and then let me know that nothing broke, and then I'll try it.
Speaker 1:Why am I being your guinea pig? You're the one who wants to do this.
Speaker 2:Well, you just got a brand new little computer that you're going to return anyway, so you might as well try it. It's on order. Oh, you've got one, the one you're returning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's not. It doesn't have USB 4.
Speaker 2:Oh, so you need USB 4. Okay, I only have. Yeah, one of my gaming PCs only has USB 3, not USB 4. So it probably wouldn't work for that one.
Speaker 1:The new one that I'm getting has USB 4.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you could always get a card, because I've got a full-size PC so I can stick a PCI card, USB 4. Because I don't think those are too expensive these days, Anyway, but it's pretty interesting that yes, yes, you can do that, and you were looking for days and it took me.
Speaker 2:I was looking for days because I was looking to buy something. You're looking to get a free solution that's different from what we were looking for. I was like no one is selling this. Why is no one selling this? What the hell man? Because what the hell guys sell me this it's built in and it's built in. That's, which probably would explain why no one wants to sell it, right, right, well, we're going to sell it when it's free, yeah, good. Good.
Speaker 2:Well, do we know for sure that it's only USB 4? Can it work with USB 3? Or are they just pushing USB 4?
Speaker 1:I just. This is the article that I found and all I did.
Speaker 2:Now that I've got this, I'm gonna just do a generic search for ethernet over usb yeah, all I did was connect two computers with usbc.
Speaker 3:That's what I searched for and literally boom, cool, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:and then here's a Tom's Hardware Guide for networking with a USB-C. Mm-hmm. So regular USB-C can do 10 gig network. Yes, you can do it with USB-C as well, so just Google what I. You have to have a cable that's capable of it, so you need a good quality cable.
Speaker 2:I think any cable that is made for Thunderbolt is going to be good enough. Sure, because all the Thunderbolt cables cost like 80 bucks. Yeah, I'm looking at it here. Yeah, looks like. Uh, even anchor sells cables that can do this cool, ah, yep, all right, we just solved a world problem.
Speaker 1:Live I don't know if I solved it, but sure, well, you typed it in you googled it.
Speaker 2:That's the important part indeed, yeah, and then see people real-time example of how I get bent to do stuff this is how I prove genes ineptness exactly by. By feigning ineptness, I get bent to do work.
Speaker 1:Somebody has to, that's right yes to.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna go back to Sasha gray here. Hang on, all right. What anyway? No, I I texted you the other day when you said, hey, can we move the podcast? I'm like I'm gonna go back to sleep.
Speaker 1:I had a dream where yeah yeah, which I don't know why you're so obsessed with her.
Speaker 2:I really don't, I'm still a fan. I dude. Playing video games with Sasha Gray would be awesome.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, Gene. I'm sorry, Dude she's got like a level 50 troll character Come on the fact that, all right, but that's not what you do, buddy, I'm sorry, come on did I lose you?
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna leave you. Oh look, you can do whatever you want in your dreams.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna be doing what I want in my dreams with sasha gray well, just so you know, I would be putting her talents to very different use yeah, yeah well she's a very think pretty much everyone else would do the same.
Speaker 2:Oh, you would be shocked, dude. She has so many fans on Twitch and a lot of them I mean not certainly all of them and eventually I think people do figure out but there's a ton of people that only know her as a Twitch gaming streamer Bullshit they're all under 13. But yes, I think you know the word spreads that. Oh, you should go look up her name and see what she's done. But, frankly, her career, if you want to call it that, has been much longer now on Twitch than it was in the porn industry.
Speaker 2:Sure, and I guess there's a certain segment of the population which was at the appropriate age or just a dirty old man when she first came to porn at age 18. She literally started doing pornos right after her 18th birthday. But you know, she only did porn for five years.
Speaker 1:Don't know, don't care.
Speaker 2:So you know, just saying.
Speaker 1:And she's definitely not my type when it comes to that and she's definitely not your type.
Speaker 2:She's a lot more my type, that's for sure. Yeah, yeah, um, but yeah, she, she is a uh, she's very enjoyable to watch, um, and she's in, you know, without the snickering even, she's still enjoyable to watch, because she is one of those chicks that we just discussed. She, she has, uh, a very good body. Not enough up top for you. I get it, um, and a cute face, but when she starts talking, that's when she becomes even more sexy in the same manner as uh, uh, who's the other chick we're talking about?
Speaker 2:claudia black yeah claudia black yep and her series. She did a whole series during covid of travel videos, but during covid she was traveling all over europe and I think she even went to the Middle East, which means she was vaxxed and maxed and everything else. Oh, I'm sure she was, but it was great because there's almost nobody on the streets but she would be recognized and asked for photos and autographs about every 10 minutes or so while she's walking around europe.
Speaker 2:it was, uh, it was pretty, pretty interesting to see I guess man, I just just not my style well, and, and she is that kind of hot chick who's also dorky sure she does play video games and she knows way too much about science fiction for somebody that looks like that. Okay, just saying, yeah, I know you like Sasha Gray? Cool, that was a great video.
Speaker 1:I'm surprised she didn't come up with a different screen name.
Speaker 2:You know why I know, I know it's a good question. I don't know the answer to that one, but she did a cooking show for a while that I watched, and she was cooking pil mini.
Speaker 1:That's a Russian pot stickers which, I'm sure, made you all the more endeared soon oh yeah, but she's made a lot of different dishes.
Speaker 2:I can't remember how many episodes she did of that, probably 15 or 20 of cooking with sasha gray okay anyway, I'm not, you know what else we got? Anything else?
Speaker 1:so did you see that ukraine was uh, not invited to US-Russia?
Speaker 2:talks in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Vladimir, you're going to get what we tell you you're going to get.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing to me that's funny is it's not just Vladimir bitching about it, or Vladimir, as he mispronounces it, zielinski, but it's a bunch of the european politicians are bitching about how this is not the way things are done, and how dare america not invite ukraine or european allies to this negotiation uh, because fuck you yeah, that's why I've been posting fuck the?
Speaker 2:u like every day lately yeah every time there's a topic like that that comes up and then they're all up up in there. Yeah, they're panties in the mind about not being included. It's like, well, why would you be? What makes you think that you would be included when the grown-ups are talking Like?
Speaker 1:y'all are barely countries.
Speaker 2:You've effectively Jesus Christ. Well, they have. They were countries right that chose to become states of the EU.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Pathetic, okay, of the eu. Yeah, pathetic I, okay I. I think what it comes down to is they are used to being uh treated differently and they are not, uh, accustomed to this, and that's fine people can be uh, not accustomed to stuff, but you know, hey it, what it comes down to is the way vance handled. It is right, you know, screw you, you have to stop this. You can't act like this yeah the reality is uh, we're gonna go do what we need to do and on our own and fuck you like yeah, that's the best way to say it.
Speaker 1:So I'm, I'm, I'm fucking good with this.
Speaker 2:I don't know why anyone's uh having a problem with it yeah, well, I don't think anyone on this side well, I'm sure some people are here are, but most people in the us are not on brides, the europeans that are going nuts.
Speaker 1:And then, of course, they're being apoplectic for a reason, and the reason is because they have recognized and they've been told. You know? Hey, you're at the kids' table now. Sit down, shut up, thank you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And that's not inappropriate. Well, and they're, I think. As you mentioned, they've just gotten used to being treated as though they're actually peers and they've not been peers for a damn long time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, since World War II.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Yep.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, hey, as we go into this multipolar world, we'll see where it ends up, so I'm oddly okay with it.
Speaker 2:I think things will turn out one way or the other, and if not, there's a one in 50 chance an asteroid's going to make it all not matter anyway.
Speaker 1:Okay, Gene.
Speaker 2:Just make sure you know how to light a fire without matches, that's all. Well, I do. I don't mean you, I mean everybody listening.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, you know, look at it this way, Depending on where it hits, you know it could be great for the US.
Speaker 2:That's true, that is very true.
Speaker 1:Like if it lands in. China. It'd be fine for the US.
Speaker 2:Actually, that would not be fine for the US, as about 92% of all US products contain Chinese products, so that would make it very difficult.
Speaker 3:Well, it sounds to me like we need to change that.
Speaker 2:But I think if it lands, say, in Australia, no one would really care. If it lands in Africa, I don't think anyone would really care. If it landed in the middle of Russia, I mean Russians would care but nobody else would care.
Speaker 1:Well, we had the Tendaguskan event in Siberia Exactly.
Speaker 2:And that was a similar but smaller size asteroid. Well, we don't know how big that asteroid was actually well, they can calculate the the amount of energy release with a certain degree of reliability to an extent, and then from that they can backtrack to look at at what the speed versus mass would have had to have been. And certainly you couldn't have something bigger and slower or faster and lighter. But the first time I saw those photos it was so cool. I'd never seen anything like that.
Speaker 1:What stuff just flattened?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Tunguska. Like I saw that back in the 70s. Yeah, and I was like, oh my god, this is so cool and a little scary, I don't know I'd look cool. To me it never looked scary, it always looked very cool and it always seemed like there's an element of kind of some kind you know alien stuff there. You don't know exactly what. It could have been A meteor, could have been a explosion of a flying saucer, you don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, we're making some assumptions, but sure.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what kids do, so I thought it was cool. When did you see it first? When did I become aware of it? Yeah, when did you?
Speaker 1:first see a photo of it high school okay.
Speaker 2:And what was your impression of it when you saw it in high school? Um, you thought scary.
Speaker 1:You didn't think cool I thought oh shit, what happened here, and you know a lot of the mystery around it and things like that on.
Speaker 1:You know what exactly happened and I don't think we have a 100 answer. I think we have some, you know some supposition and sitting there saying it's most likely a asteroid that broke up in midair. But but okay, well, why did it break up in midair? That makes no sense, that doesn't track, because usually if something comes in and makes it to that level of the atmosphere, it's going to stay together and it's going to impact. So why did it suddenly break up? There's a lot of unknowns there.
Speaker 2:That's literally what he just said. Could have been a UFO explosion.
Speaker 1:We don't know Sure that could have been a UFO explosion. We don't know Sure, but there was a lot of devastation and luckily this was an uninhabited region of Siberia.
Speaker 2:It was a very large release of energy. That much we do know.
Speaker 1:Yes, which that is somewhat scary.
Speaker 2:Or cool, depending on how you look at it. Okay, um it, just. It makes me think of the movie. Um, uh, what was that movie? With peter o'toole, or not, not peter to with? Um, uh, god damn, what was his name? The, uh, the. The subtitle to the movie is how I Learned to Love the Bomb. What the hell is that movie? Dr Strangelove, oh, makes me think of Dr Strangelove. Never seen it. Oh, really. Okay, that's just a single movie. We can definitely fit that in in between, whatever the next thing is.
Speaker 1:I've got to get back to reading the Peterson book in earnest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Making some strides through that a two-hour movie isn't going to kill you, man yeah, well, so by the way, have I talked about what I'm doing with the peterson book? You said you're reading it and listening at the same time. It's about right, but it's it's not just that.
Speaker 1:So I I'm listening to a chapter and I'm taking notes, right.
Speaker 1:This isn't something I'm doing when I'm falling asleep, unfortunately okay then I'm going back and I'm rereading on the sections where I really think I need to, and then he's made some points that I don't know that I I at least in first glance agree with the interpretation. So then I'm going to my bible, looking at the passage, reading the passage and surrounding passages, then going to the strongest concordance and then looking at the possible translations and then rereading what he said and determining okay, did I agree with his supposition? In the end it's a lot of work.
Speaker 1:It is a shit ton of work, but it's that kind of book, it's that dense well and a lot of well I shouldn't say a lot.
Speaker 2:Some christians I've seen absolutely say there's no way. Peterson's not a christian. He is a a a historical christianity interpreter. He is not a christian. He does not believe in the same god that I believe interpreter.
Speaker 1:He is not a christian. He does not believe in the same god that I believe in. He is I I don't know if I I would say that he's very much an orthodox christian. He does not believe in the living god, he believes in the dead god, and I think that there's there's a couple different things there. Um, I don't know what his religion ultimately is, I don't really care, um, but he's making statements and supposition about mine and that's fine, but I I definitely, you know, I'm I'm curious to sit there. I I can't just listen to what he says and go.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah great, that's right. That's not me.
Speaker 2:So Jesus said just clean your damn room. Is that in there? I thought that would be in there.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I there's a lot of really good stuff in there, though, and he is pulling from multiple different translations.
Speaker 2:He's doing a lot of good work.
Speaker 1:But that also makes me question okay, is he picking a translation, because it backs him up here, so let me go look. I mean so there's a lot of work that's needed there. And if I really want to understand and not just nod along and just go along, which is what most people do. So it's a lot of work. It's so far it's been pretty interesting.
Speaker 2:So yeah, well, that's good. I I think he certainly considers himself christian I don't know, I I would disagree uh, okay. Well then I can send you two videos where he says I'm a christian, but okay well, he kind of says it depends on what you mean, and lots of other things. Yes, he knows that there's subtlety in language for sure, and that not everybody that says I'm a Christian believes the same thing. In fact, most people don't.
Speaker 1:Right, and I completely get that, and I would even say that, yes, I've seen those videos and I get what he's saying.
Speaker 2:But I'm just. You know. Well, there was two videos that I'm referring to, one of which was done with my buddy, matt DeLaHunty, who is a one of the.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I know him, but he is one of the foremost atheist uh debaters out there and uh lives in Austin here. Um, and he and Jordan this is this is the older one, this one's like eight or nine years old. They did a large debate. Older one this one's like eight or nine years old. They did a large debate, uh, I believe it was in canada, but it was to a large auditorium of people and it was the first time that I had ever really seen jordan peterson lose a debate and it was uh surprising because I didn't expect them to, why, um, generally he's very good at debates so it was uh.
Speaker 1:Why do you feel like he lost the debate?
Speaker 2:well, if you watch the video, you'll, you'll, you'll see that it's pretty apparent um, you, generally you lose a debate when the other party makes points that you can't refute and you, you don't have a way of um showing that your, your side is, uh, uh, standing on the most logical, you know, winning, I don't know how to describe it even. But basically I don't think it's that hard. In that particular debate it wasn't like something that was like, well, it could have been him, could have been him, but it was specifically set up as a debate and not just a conversation. And uh, uh, dilahanti was very quick to address the points that peterson put out and show, um, where they were inconsistent, uh, like things that that they can't both be right, that he's saying, and Peterson was a lot slower to the punch in that. Yeah, he still made some good points, but just not I think he had an off day is the bottom line.
Speaker 2:And then the other one was more recent, with another atheist guy who Peterson interviewed on his show, and this was not a debate, this was more of a conversation, and I'm trying to remember what the other guy's name is, I can't remember. He's a British dude, he's fairly young, but he's basically been making atheist videos for about 10 or 12 years. He started when he was like 15. And has been sort of growing his channel doing those. But he's very respectful, very British that's a good way of putting it traditional British in his style, so that everything is very there's nothing at all personal, like everything is just conceptual.
Speaker 2:And in that one it's not a debate, it's a conversation. But he really kind of tries to get from Jordan an explanation of what does your belief in Christianity mean to you and how is it? You know, why is it Christianity, why isn't it just good ideas that you happen to believe in, or something like that. But, like I said, I do or I don't know. I don't think I know personally, but I've heard enough people question Jordan Peterson's Christianity to know that it's obviously a thing that exists okay, yeah, I don't disagree.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm just being very careful with my language as well, right?
Speaker 2:well, and it's really hard to talk about christianity in general just because there is so much diversity of opinion. You know, going from the the catholic side, who would say that only catholics are actual christians, everybody else is a heretic um well, they're wrong. Going to the protestants, who say that this was never meant to be organized as a personal relationship with god, and so so, therefore, catholicism is actually worshiping a female goddess, and they wouldn't necessarily be wrong in that either. But yet both groups call themselves Christians and there's just a large variety of beliefs that are based out of the same stories that are referred to as Christianity, that don't necessarily all agree with each other.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that, yes, and that's okay. But it's also you know, welcome to welcome to the debate, right.
Speaker 2:I guess, yeah, I don't know. I mean it's interesting, but it's.
Speaker 1:I think it's probably less interesting to me than it is to you, okay? Well then, no one's asking you to convert or anything like that.
Speaker 2:So it's like y'all kind of are that's part of your deal no, um, actually I'm very much not.
Speaker 1:I'm not a very good apologist at all I, I don't, I don't do that. I never have, I've never been an evangelical that has gone, you know, out fishing for men in that way. Uh, it's just not been, even though I know I'm called to do it. It's just not something.
Speaker 2:I it's literally definition of evangelizing. Yes, I know so. How are you in? Well, not you personally, but how can an evangelical be not evangelizing?
Speaker 1:well, I wouldn't call myself an evangelical. I know.
Speaker 2:That's why I said not you yeah but it I. I think there are people that are too shy to do that, but would still consider themselves evangelical.
Speaker 1:You know, one of the things I'd say is that I think that, like there's only been one time in my life that I would say that I really, really proselytized to someone, and you know, different time, different items. You know, things aren't always cut and dry on when and why we do something.
Speaker 2:I always thought that would be fun to do what Proselytize?
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:Well, because you're like selling something to somebody that is good for them, be a super easy slam dunk. Okay.
Speaker 2:Because generally, you know, if you're selling stuff, it's something that that person doesn't really need, doesn't definitely doesn't want, but you're uh, you're trying to get them to change their mind. That's what the process of selling is taking somebody who's not intent on spending money and converting them Sure. So if you actually believe in the product, you believe in the religion, then I would think that this would be both easy and exciting, and I think there is something to be said for the mormons doing that, like forcing all their youngsters to do that at some point I think it's oh god don't get me started on that.
Speaker 1:I I really don't like the. I really don't like the way the mormon church is set up. It's not anything against mormons specifically, but I really don't like the um, the way they handle things, by any stretch well, all I know is that some of the best salespeople I've ever met have been Mormon.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sure. And they I'm sure have picked up at least the basics of doing this when they were off on their. What do they call it? The mission, yeah, yeah, when they're doing their missions, which I think typically happens like at like 19 or 20 years old, right at the end of high school.
Speaker 1:Yeah, before college, yep before brigham young uh, the I always just used to joke that it was bring them young oh well, there is that reputation as well and, for the record, I you know, my, my boy scout troop was in a mormon church. I, really my best friends, are mormon.
Speaker 1:I grew up around a lot of mormons when we lived in idaho on the commune yes, and I am just I'm not a fan of the Mormon church and what it does and how it came about. I think that there are a lot of individual Mormon families that I know and love and have, you know, a soft place in my heart for them, but that's a very different thing than well, you just keep praying for them, so they don't end up in hell well, I mean, you know they'll baptize me after I'm dead.
Speaker 2:It's okay whatever yes, but what if multiple people baptize you? If you did, which family you're gonna end up in?
Speaker 1:I mean that that's the whole problem and that's where you know ancestry came up. That's where some of the genetic stuff has come up, so that you know if your relatives didn't believe we can, we can go back and we can save them. Like it's just so much of the south park, got it way too right, okay yeah, there's a video I watched.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry but the uma and the thuma should have been the first clue there's a video I watched of a uh ex-mormon chick that uh was did a live watch through of the south park with commentary yeah, and uh, it was.
Speaker 2:It's always fun watching people um you know that that have never seen south park, but are familiar with the topic they're covering yeah, maybe they've seen south park but they're not like rabid south park fans because, uh, they don't like a lot of the shit that we laugh at just because it's south park, they they first have to, like you know, analyze it, because they don't have a context for what south park is.
Speaker 1:So it's pretty interesting and what was her reaction to?
Speaker 2:oh, she thought it was extremely accurate that, uh, that she, as a teenager, was wondering a lot of those same things. It's like, well, how, how are people believing in this shit? Because while she was doing it and while she was, you know, getting ready for her mission, and because I think it's only the boys that have to go on the mission oh, no, no, no, no, it's the girls too, no no, no, no girls are not, it's not.
Speaker 1:Girls are not required to do a mission. Well, it's the men who have to do a mission.
Speaker 2:Now do girls do yes uh, I I know a couple that have when they were in right after high school, so maybe they're not required to, but it sure seems like they do them sure, but you know it, it's really about the, the boys going off and doing it.
Speaker 1:They can't, yeah, be married in the church. They can't do lots of things if they don't do this all right, but a girl.
Speaker 2:It's not the same requirement okay, well, that, well, that's fine, but plenty of them do it anyway. She was going to do it, yeah, sure, and the, when she was watching in the South Park in that episode where the, the wife of the guy that was funding him, says you know, well, what can you show us the? Uh, the tablets or whatever. And he's like, well, they, I can't remember if he lost them or if they got taken away or something, but anyway they're gone. And and then his second like basically her point was all the people in the Book of Mormon that question Mormonism at its starting point were asking completely normal, logical questions. Sure, and we're getting completely illogical answers back. And because it's in the book of Mormon that just, they gloss over that.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 1:I you're. You're not going to get any argument out of me.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, but but I have, I think, a similar kind of I guess not response, a similar idea about Mormons versus Mormonism, which is, I'd say, easily, over 90% of all the Mormons I've ever met have been really nice people. Over 90% of all the Mormons I've ever met have been really nice people. They've been very cordial, very just, nice to be around. Like you know, you don't feel icky being around them the way you do around other people, agreed, and so I guess the question I would ask is what can you take the ideas of Mormonism out of Mormonism? Dump the religion and then build a different one, or keep the beliefs without a religion that end up generating the same kinds of people?
Speaker 1:Sure, it's called the Jack Mormon. A what Jack Mormon?
Speaker 2:I've never heard about that. What is this?
Speaker 1:I've never heard about that. What is this? It's someone who isn't really in the Mormon church and you know, but still follows the majority of the tenants and things like that.
Speaker 2:Really, I've never heard of that. Okay, I'm sorry. Well, I mean.
Speaker 1:I don't know what to tell you, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:You've met some of these people. I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry You've met some of these people. Oh yeah, yeah. So they follow the tenets of the church but aren't in the church.
Speaker 1:Correct. They follow the majority of the tenets. Now they may have some things that they don't.
Speaker 2:They don't drink alcohol.
Speaker 1:Or they do, and that would be where they deviate, and why they're not in the church. Oh, okay, you know, there's lots of things there so, yeah, I I still.
Speaker 2:One of my most memorable experiences was when I'd met a mormon dude that, uh, here in austin, that was in the class, and then I ended up working where he lived, or in the general, you know, like one city away from where he lived in in um, oregon, and so we got together for lunch, uh, cause I thought it'd be fun to catch up. And uh, you know, I drink a shocker, I drink iced tea. And so, uh, even when I was in Oregon working, I ordered an iced tea. And then he said, yeah, I'll have the same thing. I didn't think twice about it.
Speaker 2:And then, you know, a little bit, after chatting and waiting for our food to show up and drinking our tea, he said, you know, this is the first tea I've ever had. And I said what do you mean? Well, I, uh, I've never had tea because it's not allowed, right, and he, he just has at at his. He, I think he was in his late 50s at that time, so he's probably in the 60s now. He had just kind of parted ways with the church and uh, to the point where he's still not drinking and, and this was literally the first time he ever had tea, caffeine yeah so well it was it was an interesting experience because you don't expect a 50 something year old dude to have never had caffeine.
Speaker 1:And you know, it's kind of interesting because their prohibition on caffeine is really it's not even in the book of Mormon, it's in some of actually Joseph Smith's wife writing later and stuff. It's just yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the, the, the writings of the prophets, yeah, the writings of the prophets. Even the later day prophets are taking a very strong directional suggestion. I guess, I don't know, sure, it is hard to say, because I think there are a number of groups of people who I would not want to join, like I'm not. Oh, my God, this is such a great group I want to become, to become a part of this group, but who, nonetheless, I I have a certain amount of respect for. Okay, like um, uh, the um amish, for example, have no interest in being Amish. Okay, but I've never met an Amish person who wasn't also very cordial, very nice, very helpful. Like, people that come out of that religion tend to be very positive very positive.
Speaker 1:I think it would be hard not to come out of that and be positive. But yes, I mean you don't have the autism rates, for example.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But even drugs aside, I just think that the thing, know, the thing that both Mormons and Amish have in common that is missing in the typical American family right now is family time, and that is what, and the Morm are young, when the kids are teenagers even and it's the same thing with Amish it's beyond just getting together to read prayer, it's just doing things, including playing games, playing chess, playing checkers, you know, going, working out, doing things together as a family. It keeps the family unit, a strong, independent unit that is much less affected by external forces, and that is something that is greatly missing in America right now, because those external forces have corrupted about half the population at this point.
Speaker 1:I think that's an underestimate, but sure that's why.
Speaker 2:I said at least, come on, ben quit nitpicking at things where I'm actually trying to not be hyperbolic, not be hyperbolic.
Speaker 1:Well, I think the point is that we have allowed the family to break down. For instance, I think of the guy who the Jan Sixer, who was turned in by his own son. Right. Mm-hmm, that should be fucking unthinkable. Mm-hmm Might be an argument for abortion post-term. Might be an argument for kicking someone's ass.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's a um. It's not a problem that's going to get solved nearly as quickly as the things that trump is solving in the government. Unfortunately, I think it's going to take a generation or two to really kind of move in the opposite direction to bring things more back to where they need to be. Uh, unfortunately I don't think it's a short-term fixable thing, um, short of a war where a whole generation of people die.
Speaker 1:If that happens, then things tend to change very drastically, very quickly like well, I don't know if we need a whole generation of people to die, but I think we need a whole generation of people to grow the fuck up um and that's a.
Speaker 2:That's something that hasn't happened in a while yeah, maybe, maybe, uh, that asteroid isn't such a bad thing then yeah, I don't, yes, and yeah, and it's. There was a. You know I've been watching a lot more Asim and Gold lately. You know this because I send you his videos and historically I've occasionally watched him for gaming content, not much else Right, but he's been watching a lot of politics and you've been going crazy over it.
Speaker 2:He is now being accused of being the number one Twitch politics channel. I say accused because that's how he calls it. He's like these people are accusing me of being, because he's always had a lot of viewers and now he's switched gears into not exclusively politics. He still talks about games and stuff, but, holy shit, every time Trump is in front of a camera, aslan is watching.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not just him, it's also he's watching vance and everybody else too, but because he's watching them, like 50 000 to 100 000 people that are watching him are also watching that now, sure, so I think this is having a positive spin effect as well. But, uh, where I was going with this is, um, he had mentioned that, uh, that, even compared to when he was a kid and, yeah, I think he's just a little bit younger than you, not a whole lot younger than you, but a little bit. Uh. That there's. How old do you think he is?
Speaker 1:I think he's 32 well, that would be quite a bit younger than me well, it's, he might be 34, but it's, he's in his early 30s.
Speaker 2:He's definitely under 35, um, okay, but either way, like, even compared to him relating back to stories when he was a kid and he very much was growing up with the video games as the main thing uh, the that right now you got kids that literally have not done anything other than play a game on their phone or or on a sony playstation. Like they have zero real world experiences. They've never ridden a bike with their friends, they've never gone after school to go hang out somewhere without adults, they've never had to experience or know what to do in any kind of emergency situation. Like they're literally their entire life. It revolves around them being quote-unquote safe physically because they're using their phone as their only means of travel well I think this goes to a lot of the helicopter parenting that we've seen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the issues, and you know there has to be at least some deprivation and some risk, um, because that's the entire point of life.
Speaker 2:And if you're not doing that, then yeah, if you don't learn how to deal with risk as a kid, you will pay for it as an adult.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you can say, well said, and then we'll wrap up the show.
Speaker 1:Well, well said sir.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, ben, that's uh I appreciate that on that note, we'll go ahead and wrap it up, because, uh, we were gonna end like half an hour ago and then we kept talking.
Speaker 1:So yeah, a little longer episode, but that's okay, you know occasionally.
Speaker 3:Hopefully the mormon talk was interesting to some people but yeah, I'm sure, not everybody no, I'm sure there will be some pissed off warmers too oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't mind pissing any any one group up, but just remember, we all love you absolutely.
Speaker 1:Thank y'all.
