Speaker 1: 0:26

Hey Ben, how are you today? Dude, I am doing better than I deserve.

Speaker 2: 0:34

It's been quite the week. I was walking on air yesterday.

Speaker 1: 0:39

I'm sure you were, oh boy. What happened yesterday?

Speaker 2: 0:44

Gene Well, yesterday Ukraine committed suicide by use of its president.

Speaker 1: 0:52

Yeah, it was uh something.

Speaker 2: 0:57

I can tell you that so I just sent you a text which you probably haven't read yet, but I, I said, I said this um zielinski thinks he's the main character when he's really just an npc. With a few lines I did see that which, yeah, using the video game metaphor, is quite appropriate to describe that situation. Um, I watched the uh zielinski trump interview live. I had a playing on one of the monitors while I was doing some other stuff and I, I swear to god, my jaw physically started dropping down to the floor because I couldn't believe. He kept saying what he was saying, that any normal person would shut the fuck up. And he kept digging, and digging, and digging and then he threw his shovel out of the hole that he dug for himself by on the immediate interview right after this uh trump meeting, saying that he didn't feel like he had to apologize. Are you there? Did we lose Ben again? Uh-oh, his computer probably rebooted. Let's see if he drops off the connection. I'm going to stay online and, instead of stopping the recording, keep talking here. So, basically, I'll let me know that Ben know that he. Oh yeah, he just texted me. He says pause. We're not going to pause, we're going to keep talking and see if he comes back on. But yeah, if anybody hasn't seen the Zelensky interview, definitely watch it. I think there's probably a billion copies of it on YouTube now and TikTok and everything else.

Speaker 2: 2:56

But in this press conference, whose purpose? Okay, I lost you for a second. Yeah, I figured I've just still been talking. I saw your message here. I've just been describing it.

Speaker 2: 3:07

The purpose of their meeting was essentially just simply to announce that zielinski is signing the deal that trump's been talking about, which is all ukrainian resources forever. 50 of the profits go to american companies, which is a hell of a deal for america, not so much for ukraine. But hey, that's what you get when you decide to, uh, you know, be the football in a football game between russia and the and, uh, the us. So that's the. The whole point should have been a very short little smiling faces kind of oppressor. The whole point should have been a very short little smiling faces kind of a presser.

Speaker 2: 3:52

And instead Zelensky started acting like this was his press conference, by wanting to jump in on questions that were asked and then to provide the answers that had the exact same propagandistic feel as what he was saying during the previous administration, which is Ukraine's winning. We're. You know, we're about to kick Russia's ass and all we need is for the US and Europe to stand behind us, be our partners. It's like, hey, dumb shit. No one wants this. Everyone's sick and tired of wasting money that keeps disappearing.

Speaker 1: 4:38

350 billion dollars could have bought every american a what a thousand dollars gift. Is that what it is right so?

Speaker 2: 4:42

350 billion would be a thousand times that well, what it comes down to is.

Speaker 1: 4:47

He kept saying and going off on, and the sticking point really seemed to be the security guarantees. And it's like hello, if we're going to, uh, put this sort of investment into your country, you're going to get de facto security guarantees without the us having to explicitly say it and piss off russia yeah, and he wanted to explicit yeah he wanted to piss off russia.

Speaker 2: 5:12

Well, yeah, no, he wants to defeat russia. That's the thing is, if you keep watching his interviews, dude, yeah, he literally his language. He doesn't use the word defeat, but his language is very much that we have to win. We have to defeat putin. We have to defeat russia. Uh, we can't accept them as anything but enemies forever. Like that is not speaking for his country, absolutely not. Uh, everybody in ukraine is tired of fighting. They have lost a very they've lost a generation. They've lost a huge percentage of their male population. They've lost, through immigration, a very large percentage of their female population. Once the war is over and the official census is done, I would bet Ukraine's population today is probably around 60% of what it was five years ago oh they're.

Speaker 1: 6:11

They're headed for demographic collapse, not only through, uh, the males who? Have died, I mean you've lost well over a generation of males. In this.

Speaker 2: 6:20

I mean with, with, the generate like a big gen, like, from you know, 18 to 35.

Speaker 1: 6:28

It's a huge percentage of males that are dead now but the the point is you just made it with the migration moving out. Everything else it is. It is astonishing to watch a country commit suicide and I I had a a liberal friend I was talking to yesterday say, well, it's their right to commit suicide if they want, and I said, yeah, I agree, and I would not have handled the situation quite the way Trump did.

Speaker 2: 6:58

Right.

Speaker 1: 6:59

I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have gotten into the bickering or any of that. What I would have done is I would have stood up. I'd have said Mr Zelensky, if you want your nation to commit suicide, fine, you can do it without the us. And we are out, we are, we are pulling everything.

Speaker 2: 7:17

We are not doing this well, that's effectively what happened immediately afterwards, when we started getting trump's posts on his own social media network. And then, um, what's his face? The attorney general's posts on his own social media network. And then, um, what's his face, the attorney general's posts, and I'm sure we'll see more coming from our um, uh, hegseth, I'm sure there'll be more coming from him about, you know, cessation of us support. Yeah, the like I said this this is this literally was committing a suicide in front of cameras and then doubling down on it by zelensky and I. I saw the uh thing you sent.

Speaker 2: 8:02

Where the legislature in ukraine is calling for an impeachment, good luck. He's been a dictator for over three years. They've canceled elections, they've shut down churches, they've taken over private properties. He's literally done every action that you can think of that we routinely use as a reason to go into a country to topple a dictator yeah, so he's not getting impeached. Routinely use as a reason to go into a country to topple a dictator yeah, so he's not getting impeached. The people that are calling for that will be dead, probably within a day or two. There's a, an American journalist.

Speaker 1: 8:43

We will see my, my thought is that he I think that if the Ukrainians have any hope for peace. So here's my outline of the three possibilities. Possibility, and this is in order of most likelihood. Possibility number one the US is out of Europe.

Speaker 1: 9:05

We pull out from Ukraine. We tell our European allies do not send troops into ukraine. If you do, at the very least we're out of nato. If not you, yeah you know we're out and we become original hegemon. And that's fine by me, um, option number two is Zelensky is removed, and when he is removed, the new president immediately flies over, kisses ass and says please fix this. Option number three that I think is the least likely, especially given his interview with Brett Baer yesterday, which I haven't finished, but I've watched part of it. Zelensky publicly apologizes, gives a mea culpa and says please help us.

Speaker 2: 10:01

It's too late, I think, like I said, that's the least likely. Yeah, I think the question that this event has raised in a lot of people's heads who've either not cared or even initially on where the ukrainian flag on twitter people uh notice there are almost zero of those. There's maybe one every thousand posts. I see that that has a ukrainian flag. These days, the real hardcore people that are nazis, but um, the thing that I think this is done is it's brought the following question to their minds is this the guy that we've entrusted to fight russia and sent 350 million dollars to? Because it's not like he changed for this interview from someone he's always been. No, this is literally the way that the person that america has been sold is fighting for freedom and fighting for democracy. This is that person. This is the way he's always been. He he's insane, and it's obvious that not only is it time for all eight to stop, but that we've been on the wrong side of this conflict the entire time yeah agreed.

Speaker 2: 11:26

A few of us have known that for the last three years, but I think a lot more people are thinking that right now is like hold on, are we the baddies here? Uh, you know, he comes across a lot more as hitler. And I don't mean the sort of paint anybody you don't like as hitler, I mean watch old world war ii movies of hitler speaking to the press. Yeah, watch zielinski speaking to the press.

Speaker 1: 11:50

I think he's been watching those to get pointers well, regardless what it comes down to is, it was not a good day for ukraine yesterday no no, but here's the other thing if we we pull out first of all, Putin will go and take at least Odessa.

Speaker 2: 12:13

And I hope so.

Speaker 1: 12:15

The international community is going to scream. See, he's taking over, just like we said he would. You were wrong Trump. Everyone who said Putin only wants this is wrong. I think he'll stop after that, but we'll see uh tbd and you know um, I think the french and the british are likely to. Yes, I'm sorry, you can go fuck themselves yeah, but they're likely to send in troops yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:49

I think France is going to rah-rah for it. The UK may actually do it.

Speaker 1: 12:57

No, I think both are fairly likely.

Speaker 2: 13:04

France has bigger problems at home.

Speaker 1: 13:08

Macron is a dipshit and he wants to save another dipshit Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 13:14

I don't think any of those people want to deal. They're not thinking about dealing with what it's going to look like on their television to show caskets flying back.

Speaker 1: 13:26

Hmm, I didn't say they were smart to do it. Gets flying back. Hmm, europeans, I didn't say they were smart to do it, no, no.

Speaker 2: 13:33

Europeans don't want this. European elites want this because everybody has been using Ukraine for money laundering Everybody. It's literally like. You know the local money laundering operation in Well, the local, the, the one in, um, in, what is that tv show that was really good about money laundering? Uh, that the? What was it called? The ozark? It's like ozark. You ever watch that show? Uh, some of it, yeah, okay, I thought it was really good. I think some of jason bateman's best work, um, which is interesting because he's normally a comedic actor, but he was playing a serious part here. Plus, it had that. That actress that I think is really hot. The blonde, the blonde, yes she's not hot, so hot.

Speaker 1: 14:29

Weird looking she's so hot. Oh, jean, jean, jean uh, yeah, anyway.

Speaker 2: 14:40

Um, where's that going with this?

Speaker 1: 14:42

I forgot what I was talking about so you're talking about money laundering and, yeah, money yeah, it's like.

Speaker 2: 14:48

It's like, all of a sudden, the mob realizes that their money laundering operation is caught by the government and now they're like, okay, well, we got to figure out a way to, because we got to keep laundering money, so we got to figure out something else here. Uh, but the, the money laundering operation that ukraine has been for so many years, including during the soviet times, it's just become bigger because, uh, when the soviet union fell, the money laundering didn't stop, it expanded and it allowed the west now as well, to start laundering money. So, yeah, it's I. I mean people that live there that have nothing to do with politics are the ones that you got to feel sorry for because they got caught up in this. Like you know, people farming, people in production, people at the nuclear plant, people that just did regular jobs got fucked.

Speaker 2: 15:51

Because the people that they elect and granted, they hold some responsibility for electing those people, the people that they elect decided to expand their personal wallets by expanding their money laundering operations to the rest of the world, and I think what's happening is a natural outcome of that. But zielinski really kind of you know, he, he like hit it with a big hammer on top of everything else, to really drive this nail home like does anyone truly trust the guy who you saw on television yesterday to act in the interests of the United States, democracy and freedom? Hell, no.

Speaker 1: 16:37

Look, I think the meeting started off very differently. And for people who've only watched the 10 minute explosive bit, you really need to watch the 40 plus minute entire interview. And the reason why I say that is because trump was nice, he was cordial, he wasn't aggressive towards zelensky until zelensky said some stupid shit. And what it comes down to is trump's not wrong about flirting with world war iii. That is not an exaggeration, nope. And people have to realize that he is truly worried that, hey, this is not going to go in America's best interest if I don't handle this.

Speaker 1: 17:21

The minerals deal is a way of handling that in a really fairly sophisticated way. In a really fairly sophisticated way, and when I say a fairly sophisticated way, what I mean is he's creating a situation where the us will have interest in ukraine, which will naturally limit russian expansion, without bringing the ukraine into nato, without them having to go to the eu, without any of that. It's just a very good way to do it I don't know how else to say it, yep, and zelinski's just too stupid to see it, I guess, but you know.

Speaker 2: 18:05

Yeah, I don't know if he's just caught up in you know believing his own propaganda or what, but I think that probably is likely scenario that he's. He's uh caught up in in the propaganda because really for three years he's been making videos talking about the war that ukraine's winning. They lose more territory every single day, literally. You look at the daily maps of the uh, the military movements. You see that every day and it's not much. The bit that a lot of people point to is like, well, if Russia is supposed to be the second, you know, biggest superpower and all they can do is move a hundred yards in one day, then they're not really a threat.

Speaker 2: 19:01

The bit that everyone here doesn't understand and I've said this for the entirety of the three years is that this is a Slavic civil war. People in Russia don't want to kill Ukrainians. People in Ukraine that are fighting don't actually want to kill Russians for one very simple reason they have family on both sides. Almost everybody that's involved in this war has some relative that is in the other country, because this was never two countries, this was always one country, and you literally have the western part of the country that, for God knows why, ended up. Getting independence after the fall of the Soviet Union Should have never happened. Independence after the fall of Soviet Union should have never happened. That western part of the country has been infiltrated by people that have always hated Moscow control, and so they'll do anything that they can, including destroying their own country, in order to make it harder for Moscow. This is all about revenge against communists, and it's revenge against things that they didn't like, or they're even not them personally, but their relatives, who are older, didn't like during the soviet union days.

Speaker 1: 20:18

This isn't truly about independence well, what it comes down to is look, zelinski could have. The entire meeting could have gone very, very differently had Zelensky just come in and said Mr President, american people, if he would have started and said thank you the way he did on Brett Baier's show in the beginning, it would have been a totally different meeting. Even if he said I really want the security guarantees, it would have been a totally different meeting. Even if he said I really want the security guarantees, like it would have been a totally different meeting. And vance pointing that out yeah, the more I see vance, the more I'm impressed with him you know, and he's also getting, it's very a lot of the liberals I've talked to have said oh my god, are you embarrassed now.

Speaker 1: 21:05

Are you happy?

Speaker 2: 21:06

with your vote. How could you?

Speaker 1: 21:07

have done this and I'm like no, I'm thrilled, this is exactly the shit I want. We are a uh, we are a country run by men again not, not idiots, not the walking dead. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2: 21:24

Um no, I'm very happy with this and I don't know how anyone could know this is the thing that I noticed as well is that I think Vance is extremely polarizing in that regard, because everybody on our side of the aisle loves what Vance did by jumping in there and saying what clearly Trump was thinking. But Trump's trying to be a statesman and not really, you know, put a magnifying glass on it, but Trump's trying to be a statesman and not really, you know, put a magnifying glass on it. But my answer was like have you said thank you even once for what your country has received?

Speaker 1: 21:55

Yes, I have said thank you many times, not during this meeting. No, you haven't and he hadn't.

Speaker 2: 22:01

No, he hadn't, and I don't think he said many thank yous ever. I think that's just a bullshit, throwaway statement, of course. I think that's just a bullshit throwaway statement, of course. I've said it a billion times.

Speaker 1: 22:09

No, you haven't said it once because I'm sure he has said thank you in some speech at some point in time really we could ask AI how many times has Zelensky said thank? You. I know he said it, at least on BritBear's show prior to this.

Speaker 2: 22:29

How many times has Zelensky publicly thanked the US ever? And the videos that I see, like the one I put on X yesterday, are like the Ukrainian army throwing away American flags now. Oh yeah, the question is why did they have American flags to begin with? First of all, good question. I guess they came for free with all the American gear we sent them.

Speaker 1: 22:55

Maybe Uh-huh, but it's yeah it's and these are blacked out, camoed. You know, MVG camoed Morale patches that were on a guy's helmet, by the way. Yeah, you know, mvg camoed morale patches that were on a guy's helmet, by the way.

Speaker 2: 23:12

Yeah, somebody says Webster's dictionary has just had a new word after Zelensky's visit to the White House. I sent that to you Zelensky'd yeah, lose everything through your own stupidity. Right, that would be stupidity.

Speaker 1: 23:29

Right, that would be pretty funny. Yeah, and you, you're the one who sent me the uh porn hub, uh uh punish Ukrainian bitch. Yeah, dude, when, when Lindsey Graham comes out afterwards and says it's time to resign.

Speaker 2: 23:47

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:48

When your own ambassador is sitting there face palming as you're talking resign, you fucked up. When your own ambassador is sitting there face palming as you're talking, you fucked up. Oh, it was just at the situation. It was this. It was that. It was their bad behavior. How can they act like they're really? They're really just better. It is men in charge and men not taking shit, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1: 24:15

Anyway, it's funny, but I've got liberal friends texting me this morning literally asking you know, hey, I want to talk and ask you why you voted for this. Let's see, let's's see. These are people that like getting fucked up the ass. I see. I need someone who supports him to explain to me why they're happy with his decisions in an intellectually honest way. You're literally the only supporter I know who is intellectually honest.

Speaker 2: 24:44

You're not gonna like what I have to say a false statement, because clearly they know other people that are just those. People aren't willing to talk to them, and you are. Yeah, yeah yeah, fair enough. No, it's. Uh. I I think that this has been a beautiful thing in so many ways, and I never expected zelensky to be the one to deliver ukraine to Well.

Speaker 1: 25:10

I think it's more than that, because I think we are, like I said, leaving Europe. I think when we leave Europe, we're going to have a whole bunch of money come home and we're going to collapse the European economies. And the reason why we're going to collapse the European economies is when I say we're going to leave Europe, I don't mean we're just going to get out of ukraine and let europe do whatever they want to do I mean I see us closing bases in germany, france and everywhere else and saying fine fuck off, we're done.

Speaker 1: 25:43

Yeah, that will billions and billions of dollars that are currently spent on this hemisphere.

Speaker 2: 25:51

Exactly this is where the wealth is, anyway.

Speaker 1: 25:56

Dude, I'm telling you we are going into an empire phase, we are going into an expansionist phase. I can see us hosting a referendum in Greenland on their independence and whether or not they want to join the US.

Speaker 2: 26:11

I would love to see the American Caribbean become a thing. Take all the damn French and British and Dutch islands and free them. Well, I.

Speaker 1: 26:22

American territories. I think you are going to get your way. I think the death of the Americans without even a passport. The death of the American farmer on the border. People are calling for drone strikes against the cartels.

Speaker 2: 26:40

I think it's very likely to happen.

Speaker 1: 26:43

I don't think we'll take all of Mexico, but I think we'll take northern Mexico.

Speaker 2: 26:47

Yeah, we should take the whole damn thing. No one wants the wholexico.

Speaker 1: 26:48

Yeah we should take the whole damn thing. No one wants the whole damn thing I want the whole damn thing, and then we continue further south look, I'm telling you, it's going to be from greenland to japan is going to be the sphere of influence. Oh my god, I just got my new uh ai song.

Speaker 2: 27:08

What's that? New American Anthem From Greenland to the southern tip of South America. It's all ours. Okay, I'm going to have to work on this after the podcast.

Speaker 1: 27:27

And, ladies and gentlemen, this is the ADD I have to deal with on a regular basis anyway. Uh, rubio. Rubio was staring daggers at zolinski oh god, yeah, dude it. It it was. This was such a busy week. What do you want to talk about next? Because I I think we've hammered the ukraine thing home fairly well, sure, yeah, you want to go to the epstein files?

Speaker 2: 27:55

nothing there. What did I say a week ago on this podcast?

Speaker 1: 28:00

the bombshell was released yesterday. What?

Speaker 2: 28:04

what bombshell are you referring to?

Speaker 1: 28:06

pam bondy's letter. How's that a bombshell, Because it's saying that what do you mean? How is it not?

Speaker 2: 28:16

I don't think it's a bombshell. I think it's in the face of the fact that they put the wrong person in that position. There's no balls. You need somebody with balls in that position.

Speaker 1: 28:25

Kash Patel doesn't have balls.

Speaker 2: 28:27

Kash Patel's not in that position. Fireel doesn't have balls. Dash patel is not in that position.

Speaker 1: 28:29

Fire pam bondy and put cash no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So here's the thing with the, with the letter that was released I think it's actually a very, very positive step that, hey, this is not happening, this is not working. There are people in the FBI who are keeping shit from me that should not be keeping shit from me. We have to stop this. This has to. We have to stop this. This has to. If the FBI does not capitulate and give up the files and I will be very disappointed if we don't see the- FBI.

Speaker 2: 29:17

What does that mean? That is retarded. The government's been in place for two months. What do you mean? The FBI won't give up the files, walk in there with rifles in hand and shoot anyone that stands in the way, because they are traitors and traitors get killed. It's the law of the land. This is bullshit. But you can't have a department for two months hiding something that the president wants. No, that that's bullshit. That's that's the most pussy behavior that we've ever seen and, frankly, I don't need somebody without balls and positions of power.

Speaker 1: 29:55

Jesus Christ Gene.

Speaker 2: 29:59

I'm saying what everybody's thinking.

Speaker 1: 30:01

Literally here. But okay, look, I think it is a good thing, I think it is a good step, I think we're moving in the right direction at this pace, it'll be two years before we see anything I don't think so. I think we are moving faster than anyone can uh, can keep up.

Speaker 2: 30:27

You don't think it's just going to be all gone. Whatever was there is going to just disappear.

Speaker 1: 30:32

Oh, that very well may be the plan In fact, this may be the negotiated plan is to say, hey, we won't release these files and we'll say that they were destroyed, but what we need from y'all is some scapegoats. Well, that's not hard to get, and I think it will be a good excuse on how we destroy the FBI and get rid of the FBI.

Speaker 2: 31:21

Well, I think we have a better chance of destroying Ukraine than the FBI. Frankly, uh okay, I I don't think the fbi is going to get destroyed. I think a few people will certainly get fired over this, but the fbi is growing at a rate where, if you take the people that end up getting fired this year, what you're going to end up with is exactly the same number of people that were in the FBI.

Speaker 1: 31:57

Oh, no, no, no, no. I think we're talking about the fundamental dissolution of the FBI Not going to happen.

Speaker 2: 32:05

Okay, we'll see. So there's my prediction. I was right about Zelensky. You're right about this. Yeah, look, I would love for all of government, including the fbi, to be reduced. We know that the only legitimate purpose of the federal government is to provide security against international threats, so any departments that don't deal with that need to go away you saw what um musk said, right you know, musk has been posting so much. I don't think I've seen all of his posts. Which one are you referring to?

Speaker 1: 32:45

I'm talking about him on joe rogan and I am oh, I, I haven't finished that either because, holy shit, a lot has happened in the last 24 hours. Yeah, musk went on rogan and one of the statements that's going around twitter is him saying if he completely eliminated all the corruption and issues with the federal government, they would kill him. Yeah, that's, that's probably true. I, I think it's a very true statement. So I don't know. I think we have some very self-aware people who are acting very selflessly for the country. Yeah, you know, people asked me in the last 24 hours do you believe Trump's acting for the US? Yeah, I do. I think he's acting very selflessly. He has lost a billion dollars since he ran for president the first time. I think he has.

Speaker 1: 33:36

I look, and I am not a sycophant.

Speaker 2: 33:38

I am one of the ones, 25 since muskettin yeah, yeah, I am not a sycophant.

Speaker 1: 33:45

I am someone who, when trump uh sent javelins into sy, I said it was bad. I said this is dumb, we shouldn't be doing this. I called him out on it. I will call out Trump whenever I see him doing something stupid or meaningless or whatever else, but right now, what I see is, again I will say it the best president of my lifetime. Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 34:12

Yeah, yeah, best president of my lifetime. Oh, absolutely, yeah, yeah, I fully agree in a lot of ways. Um I it's difficult for me to imagine the president better, so he likely is the press, but the best president in the history of the United States at this point for me.

Speaker 1: 34:33

Um the only I. I think Vance could be being set up to be better.

Speaker 2: 34:43

That's great, that's, that's awesome. Um, but uh, the biggest difference between Trump and everybody previous to him, in my opinion, is exactly what you just said His self-awareness and his ability to not put on a sort of formal this is what people expect kind of a face, but to actually still be very much the person that we've gotten to know all the time. Like there, there's no two trumps. There was definitely two obamas. I mean, you've seen the photos of obama kicking back smoking cigarettes and, you know, laughing at the racist jokes, uh. But then there was the formal obama the, the, uh, you know the, the obama that's going to bring racism to an end in america, and the only thing that happened is the exact opposite. We had way less racism pre-obama than we did post-obama, agreed.

Speaker 2: 35:44

So I think, with trump just having a genuine, relatable person, there is very, very unique. The decisions he made in his first term I had a lot of problems with because he kept stopping midway for going for anything. He kept hiring people that clearly everybody was saying no, don't, don't bring in this rhino, and then he still would. He's not in this term. So this.

Speaker 1: 36:13

That's what I was about to say, but we're not seeing that this time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What we're seeing is just huge, significant change. People, I I just don't understand how anyone sits there and argues that, um, the cuts that doge is making is a bad thing. I don't understand how people don't see him. Telling zelinski off the way they did is a bad thing. I do not understand this for the life of me.

Speaker 2: 36:51

No, but pussies, they don't have balls, man.

Speaker 1: 36:54

That's the problem and what I hear from uh, mainly liberal women and trans people go ahead um well, some of them may or may not have balls, we don't know. Know that Even the ones that do don't yeah, I'm making a joke here but is oh, he's taking away our rights. You don't care, because you're a white male and you're going to be in charge. He's taking away our rights. What right has he?

Speaker 2: 37:26

taken away. Maybe they don't deserve those rights? What has been? Taken away, though that's the thing, the right to have annoying, bickering women running things.

Speaker 1: 37:39

Okay, I don't see it. Well, roe v Wade, well, roe v Wade getting an overturn. Not a right, exactly A, not a right and B. We see that very differently, and all it did was return it to the states, and most of these people live in states where they can still do everything they wanted to do.

Speaker 2: 38:02

Yeah, and then they throw out red herrings there. Yeah, but there's all these women getting raped and now have to have their kids.

Speaker 2: 38:09

No, it's really not the case no, it's really not the case if abortion was used in cases of rape and incest only, it would not be a topic exactly. It's a. Thankfully, I think, that this period of American history is ending, but this sexual revolution that was sold to American women in the 70s, basically saying you can have your cake and eat it too. You can be woman plus, you can be a woman and not have to worry about anything that your previous generations of women had to worry about it. This has led us to where we are today. Now, thankfully, where we are today is we managed to barely squeak out and elect somebody like trump, but we were pretty damn close to having tamela harris as our president, who, you know when, when she met with Zelensky right now, instead of Trump, would have been kissing Zelensky's ass and promising American boots on the ground in Ukraine.

Speaker 1: 39:22

Yeah, so what do you think the real number is of money we sent to Ukraine, because that number is vacillating greatly in the news media. For instance, yesterday, fox News put out $175 billion under the Biden admin in aid and zero in the second Trump admin I don't believe those numbers.

Speaker 2: 39:52

No, that's not correct, because there's absolutely been money going, even during Trump.

Speaker 1: 39:59

I don't know if they meant new aid. It's too ambiguous, but it's annoying.

Speaker 2: 40:06

Yeah, well, I think they try to be ambiguous, frankly, so yeah, yeah, but what do you think?

Speaker 1: 40:18

The?

Speaker 2: 40:18

US Congress approved $175 billion.

Speaker 1: 40:25

In one package, sure, but there have been multiple packages, is my point. So I don't know man.

Speaker 2: 40:32

Anyway, does it really matter? I mean, it's all kind of water under the bridge. We're not getting any of that back. Um, so yeah, so uh.

Speaker 1: 40:46

Microsoft ai also says it's 175 billion, yeah so see, that's the, that's the sham number I'm saying as well, because I think it's a lot higher than that. I think it's more like 500 billion. I think it's over 300 for sure. Yeah, I think it's more like 500. Yeah, so all right, we've talked enough about ukraine. I tried to get us off on other topics.

Speaker 2: 41:07

I hear you installed warp finally yeah, finally, when I mean finally, you told me about it a day ago, right, but you've had a mac for how long, like it's been available on linux and mac for forever.

Speaker 1: 41:20

I've used it on linux and my mac for forever, but it's now available for windows, which is fucking awesome because powershell sucks.

Speaker 2: 41:31

But yeah, yeah, powershell's an improvement over command. Yeah, I've been. You know I've had other things to do so I haven't spent too much time on it. But it's, it looks good. I like what I, what I've seen as the feature set. I like the universal commands. I like organizing stuff, uh, into groups the way that it does it automatically. So yeah, I mean I'm not like a power power shell user or anything. I try to just use commands that you know.

Speaker 1: 42:10

I can control c and control x and stuff but see, that's why I figured you would like warp. So, for those who don't know, we're talking about the warp terminal, which is uh, which is a uh, just a shell on top of whatever os command line you're running on. So what I like about it is it's a universal shell that I can use on the Mac, I can use it on Linux, I can use it on Windows.

Speaker 1: 42:40

Now, and what's great about this is that it's using AI in a really nice way, because it helps you with commands. You can literally say how do I do this? And it'll come up. It's replaced get for me in a lot of ways with warp drive. I'm looking at using it with my team or when we go out and do an assessment of a site or we need to make money because, because I I'm about to start using it with my team now that it's available on Windows.

Speaker 2: 43:16

And that would be paid for they have paid for versions.

Speaker 1: 43:19

All right, because I saw the free version. No, no, no, they have paid for versions. The free version is limited to however many AI queries a month, or whatever. And then they've got paid personal versions and paid professional versions. I've never needed to pay for the personal version. But now that this is available on Windows, what it allows me to do is with the warp drive which is a hilarious name.

Speaker 1: 43:45

You can save scripts and share scripts and, you know, have people in a team all using the same scripts without having to use Git, without having to do these other things, without having to thumb drive them around or email them around, and when someone makes an update, it updates for everybody. It's fantastic.

Speaker 2: 44:05

So just something as simple as how do I subscribe to your script? I'm sorry, how do I subscribe to your?

Speaker 1: 44:13

scripts. I would have to give you permission.

Speaker 2: 44:18

They should have a way for you to be able to share with anybody. Okay, because that would be useful, because I think there's a bunch of people that are nerdy enough to use this, but not nerdy enough to actually come up with creative ways to do scripts.

Speaker 1: 44:36

Okay, Well, anyway, the point is.

Speaker 2: 44:41

the point is that you're still trying to figure out if that's an insult or a compliment.

Speaker 1: 44:45

Exactly. It's useful, especially on a team saying, hey, we need to go. If I said to you, hey, I need you to go, pull that cisco switch config and the system information, what would you do?

Speaker 2: 44:57

let me ask you that I mean, I would talk to whoever's jab it is to do that and tell them to do it. Jesus, I'm not. I'm not the right guy to ask that.

Speaker 1: 45:12

My point is you would run, let's say, show run, you know, show start, so you'd have the running config, the startup config. You'd go through and do that. Well, everyone's going to do it a little bit differently and are in a different order, and when you're looking at a really big project, like I am with Puerto Rico, it's astonishing that. Okay, how do I get everybody who's collecting this information to do it the exact same way?

Speaker 1: 45:47

If I share out a script that says here just run this. That's a lot, lot easier and I can have it send out the output and everything else. There's just a lot of things that are no use.

Speaker 2: 45:58

I wonder if they have this already or if they don't, they totally should. They should have slack integration.

Speaker 1: 46:04

You should be able to have a slack channel that I am sure you can have a slack bot associated with this well, something that that basically shows you the warp drive inside of slack and then have a slack bot associated with this.

Speaker 2: 46:13

Well, something that that basically shows you the warp drive inside of slack and then have a slack channel that is, you literally can type into the slack channel that automatically pipes it into warp like that would be super cool. Okay, yeah, this is. I mean now that they're on windows.

Speaker 1: 46:33

I think they're gonna financially grow a lot because that's where, like it or hate it, that's where the money is well, just like for me, I I couldn't use this for my business because it it wasn't on windows, and now that it is, I can Exactly.

Speaker 2: 46:55

Yeah, I like it. I think it's cool. I'll have it installed on all my computers here before too long. But again, I would definitely love for them to have a way to subscribe to published commands that other people have put together, to scripts that other people have done.

Speaker 1: 47:12

Well, they very well may. I just have never looked into that.

Speaker 2: 47:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They may or may not right now, but I suspect I'm not the only one thinking about this. They probably will in the future, if they don't know.

Speaker 1: 47:23

Yeah, did you get Darren to install it? Yeah, what did he?

Speaker 2: 47:27

think I haven't talked to him since yet, but yeah he was. Uh, because at first he was like, yeah, well, you should have told me this before I switched the mac.

Speaker 1: 47:36

I'm like well, it is for the mac and it's universal, really okay and that's the other thing is, even if even if the command isn't available on the operating system, it'll translate it. So, for instance, you know it used to be DIR in the old DOS or even Windows command prompt for a long time to show the directory In Linux it's LS.

Speaker 2: 48:07

Did you listen to the episode of Unrenown thing yet? No, of course not Literally the example you're using using I did live while we were talking, so as soon as I install it, the first thing I typed in there was ls okay, and it showed me the direction. It's oh, okay, let me try dirt. And I did dirt and it showed it to me again I'm like this is great.

Speaker 1: 48:27

You can do that in powershell now, though, too, so you'd have to install it on an older version of windows, but yeah well, you're assuming I'm running a new version of windows here? Uh, I think you're running a new enough version of windows that it will.

Speaker 2: 48:42

Yeah, uh no seven yeah, yeah, yeah seven power show, all right fair enough. Anyway, the point is it is is cool. I like it. It does a lot of the really sort of simple basic things, aside from the AI, which is obviously very cool, but it just it does formatting when you're dumping commands out so you can kind of more easily visualize things. I know for some of us that are a little more visual, it's very handy to have something that's not just a black and white terminal screen.

Speaker 1: 49:21

Yeah, I just sent you their pricing.

Speaker 2: 49:27

I'll check that out. I would say we're going to have a link to Warp. But honestly, guys, all you got to do is go to warpdev and just get it yourself or Google Warp Terminal and you'll find it.

Speaker 1: 49:42

It was just nice to find this on Windows now, especially since I have a new Windows PC. I was very excited to install it on there and stop using powershell, because powershell is clunky and the big problem with powershell is microsoft has decided to hobble powershell by default in windows 11, and you know like running scripts in powershell pain in the ass. You have to change profiles, you have to do lots of things and I don't have to worry about that anymore yeah, that's very cool.

Speaker 2: 50:18

Yeah, the having the built-in ai based help is awesome that is a good use for ai.

Speaker 1: 50:25

It really is searching for commands and telling you what to do and so on it.

Speaker 2: 50:30

That is a good use for ai and it automatically, like if it finds the command you're looking for, that you tried to describe with regular english words, it'll stick it into the command line showing it to you, but also you can hit enter to actually run it so enter tab.

Speaker 1: 50:50

You can map that like I have it mapped to tab on all of mine, because you know, completing a command is that's normal to me, so yeah, and that's the other thing is it's extremely customizable. You can sign into your profile, so everything comes over. It uses pod 3.7 okay, meaningless to me, but okay.

Speaker 2: 51:14

Okay, that's alright. Alright, can I tie this into my GitHub too? Then Sure, if you want.

Speaker 1: 51:26

Like I said, the warp drive kind of replaces a Git repository for me for scripts and everything else it's.

Speaker 2: 51:36

it's actually kind of nice oh, I want to try something here. What do you try now? Okay, okay, so it is limited to ai relating to programming. I asked. I asked to give me some facts about Thomas Jefferson.

Speaker 1: 52:01

It's limited, but that's fine. Their training set and everything else is what matters there.

Speaker 2: 52:09

I'm not mad about that at all. No, I'm not either. That is absolutely appropriate to keep politics out of your programming tools. Yeah, I mean it would have been funny if it answered, but it just said as a programming assistant, I focus on helping with programming-related queries. Yeah, assistant I, I focus on helping with programming related queries. Yeah, uh, jefferson's accomplishments are outside the scope of my assistants. There you go. Good, she's asking about zelansky.

Speaker 1: 52:46

See what he really thinks uh, anyway, uh, good tool, yeah, so what else you want to talk about?

Speaker 2: 52:54

gene, um so gotta have some video game news. Uh, one of the video games that I play and I know ben has but hasn't played is, uh, elite, dangerous. And hey, hey, hey, I've started it, you've've installed it right. Have you gone to tutorial? No, okay, so you haven't played it. So in that game they just rolled out a major new free DLC, essentially A huge update DLC.

Speaker 1: 53:29

Yeah, you know what that is right? No, I don't.

Speaker 2: 53:32

What is that Downloadable content? So DLC usually is a paid thing, so it's when games have been out for a while and then they release a new expansion. You blah, blah, blah for the game. It's usually called dlc, but the um? I guess expansion is another word that you could use, but they just added a free one, which is huge, because the game takes place Huge, huge Game takes place in the real Milky Way galaxy with its trillion stars that you can literally fly to and explore, and it's a game set a thousand years in the future.

Speaker 2: 54:12

And there is an area that is basically around Sol, around our solar system, that is referred to as the bubble. The bubble is essentially all the inhabited worlds that are within some proximity of salt. Now that proximity is probably, I want to say, about 200 light years, so it's a fairly large bubble. But all the inhabited systems, or I shouldn't say most inhabited systems vast majority, 99 of them in that game are within 200 light years of salt and that creates the bubble that this game's been out for 10 years.

Speaker 2: 55:01

Um, so for 10 years there's been this area of populated space where there's a lot of things you can do because npc is populated, and then there's the outside, the bubble area, which there's no real separation boundary, it's just uninhabited space where literally, you can go as far as you want, in any direction and you won't hit any inhabited worlds at all. And there have been a couple of small uh expansions of that, like there's an area called colonia that is 20 000 light years away, but that's the second biggest area of populated space and that was done as, like a you know big in-gaming event where there were missions to bring materials and to basically build out this, this area of space 20 000 light years away. Um, but they, this expansion that just got released. The thing that that is huge is that they've just opened the game up to colonization, which means every single player in the game, and now with resources, yeah, that you have to either buy or mine or whatever, and some money you can now.

Speaker 1: 56:19

When you say buy, you mean buy in the game, not spend real money on not real money, yeah, fake money, in-game money, uh, but you can buy in-game.

Speaker 2: 56:27

But basically it lets you place your own space stations and colonize uninhabited solar systems and uh, you, basically it's, it's a land rush, it's a first come, first serve, uh, you can grab or buy rights to uh again, in game money, not real money.

Speaker 2: 56:58

You could buy rights to a solar system that is within 15 light years of any other currently already inhabited lights uh solar system and then, within that range, pick one that is empty and then plop down and start building a um, a space station. And if you built your first space station, you can then start building land based or planet based stations, uh outposts or additional space stations in that area. And there's all kinds of you know details like there's eight or nine different types of stations. You can build uh, each one specific to a particular type of industry, or you can have industrial, scientific, military, etc. So there is now a solar system that is on the very edge of the bubble, about 200 light years away from Sol, in the direction of the center of our galaxy that is mine now that has such things on it as as Ragnar's Bar Space Station.

Speaker 1: 58:20

Okay, and that means something to me.

Speaker 2: 58:23

It has Reardon Mines.

Speaker 1: 58:25

Space Station. Okay, now we're getting somewhere.

Speaker 2: 58:29

Uh-huh.

Speaker 1: 58:32

So this is what you've been doing and establishing. I'm building galt. Yes, oh, jesus christ, gene as a solar system.

Speaker 2: 58:41

Yep, okay, the cool thing is, this is in the game, which means literally every one of the hundreds of thousands of players of this game can come and visit this and make use of the services and do all this stuff. So it is, uh, it is permanently changing the the locations in the game from an uninhabited solar system with a handful of planets to something that is colonized, that has human expansion and is built in a way that I've chosen and named by me. Okay, cool, I think that's very cool. It's. It's. I think it's a huge thing for this game. It's, frankly, something that no other game that I've played has ever done, and that's let you change the game for everyone else by your actions.

Speaker 1: 59:44

Okay, I don't see that as that innovative, though We've had a lot of open world games that allow you to build stuff and do stuff. Fuck dude.

Speaker 2: 59:52

Minecraft has this uh, sort of right, you could, you could. I could see how somebody could make the argument for minecraft. This is different though this is. This is really more like if. If, in world of warcraft, you could build your own dungeon, like you could use the tools that the developers use to build a dungeon and you could build your own dungeon. Like you could use the tools that the developers use to build a dungeon and you could build your own dungeon, and then other people can come to that dungeon and, you know, explore it and fight the bad guys. It's, it's literally built and, incidentally, um, ragnar's bar has, uh, very much a pirate theme around it.

Speaker 1: 1:00:35

Uh, it's got. And, by the way, people who are going ragnar what the hell is that? That's ragnar, daniskill, as a reference to atlas shrugged characters from atlas shrugged. So everything in this solar system will somehow have a reference to atlas shrugged now, what if someone else comes to the same solar system that you've already started colonizing and build something that they want to build?

Speaker 2: 1:00:59

they can't because I've got the license for the whole solar system so people.

Speaker 1: 1:01:04

So it's like land grab.

Speaker 2: 1:01:06

Now it is land grab absolutely, huh, okay, luckily there's over a trillion solar systems out there yeah, but some are going to be more valuable than others. Oh, yeah, and I grabbed a nice valuable one, I have uh four different planets with rings and I the rings. The the best part is they have, uh, three different types of materials in the rings and generally you only have either one or two in the solar system. Mine has all three, so it's, but it's far from sol. That's.

Speaker 1: 1:01:39

The one big negative about it, of course, is that it's a long way from sol, but you know you don't really have to go sol yeah, and, by the way, um, they don't have a direct repository, but if you go to warp and you click on it, there is a discord server where people have show and tell, tips and tricks and a whole bunch of other stuff. I'll definitely check that out. There you go. I just found that while you were talking about your video game yeah, oh it's, it's, it's cool stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:02:09

And the fact that they made this free for the last expansion they had that brought carriers where you went from just having spaceships to being able to build or buy a carrier that could carry all your other ships on it and have tons of cargo space. That expansion, I think, was $35. The fact that they did this for free is like holy shit. It's incredible. Um, because this is a lot of development work you gotta imagine to do it now. The benefit for the game company is also huge because they're effectively letting the player base create more content for inside the game uh okay, I don't.

Speaker 2: 1:02:57

I don't know why this is uh so beneficial to them, especially if well, it means they have to not, or they don't have to create new content themselves, because the players are doing it.

Speaker 1: 1:03:09

But you're not really creating new content. Well you.

Speaker 2: 1:03:14

You are because in the past, the only time that there have been expansions of systems built, it's essentially there's been some kind of events where like, okay, let's get all the players to haul materials from this station to this one and then they magically, will you know, take away the material that was collected and then plop out a new station in a solar system to kind of effectively role play that the people actually did this. Right now, game Company has zero involvement. People are just going out and figuring out where they want to expand to.

Speaker 1: 1:03:52

Do you get to design the space station or do you just pick from preset designs?

Speaker 2: 1:03:56

you do pick.

Speaker 2: 1:03:57

You don't fully design it from scratch, but there's quite a few options that you pick from and each type of station that you have or each type of land installation, uh, there are roles that they play. But they also affect the future growth in terms of population, the future, uh, financial stability of the system. Like you know, if you set up a whole bunch of mining outposts or mining stations, you're going to be producing a lot of raw materials. Raw materials aren't worth as much as refined materials, so you're financially not going to be producing a lot of raw materials. Raw materials aren't worth as much as refined materials, so you're financially not going to be getting a huge amount of money coming in, which means your cost of living is going to be lower, or, you know, everyone will have less money, so you're not going to be as prosperous, which means you won't have luxury goods available in that system, and on and on and on. But there's other tradeoffs for that, because having raw materials in your system is super handy. Well, so kind of like what we're doing with Ukraine.

Speaker 1: 1:05:09

Shocker.

Speaker 2: 1:05:12

It's cool. It's cool, I think, really dangerous is probably. It's the second space game that I've played for many years. The first one was eve online, which was some people refer to it as um space spreadsheets, and I did very well on that one. Why is it space spreadsheets? Because to do it? Because it's a game effectively about space free market.

Speaker 2: 1:05:39

Yeah, it's all about utilizing any means necessary to make money, from from mining to production to warfare, and it is a very it's the game where I mean I did this. I still have them in my Google Docs. I have a whole ton of different spreadsheets that track different things in the game and it was jokingly referred to as space spreadsheets for a long time. And then, about three years ago, there was a big announcement at Microsoft that that Eve has become the first game that has native support for Excel and you can, jesus Christ, data out of the game and populate an Excel spreadsheet directly through their APIs and Microsoft not the game company, but Microsoft was doing a big shindig about it, so it is kind of like if you're using Excel to play a game, it's no longer a game and you, you just gotta stop well, you're right about that, because when my four thousand dollar spaceship got blown up in that game, I lost four thousand dollars you did not have four grand in the game I did I did.

Speaker 2: 1:07:06

Yeah, it was a. It was one of the largest spaceships in the game back then.

Speaker 1: 1:07:12

Uh and uh, it was worth you realize the insanity of this to the normal person right well, I mean not really.

Speaker 2: 1:07:23

What do you mean? Insanity? There's no insanity in it I, I, just I.

Speaker 1: 1:07:29

I have never spent four,000 on any piece of software, much less one that is in a game that can just get blown up, and I lose that $4,000. That is insane, dude.

Speaker 2: 1:07:45

Well, I'll tell you what. It certainly makes the feelings you feel in the game be a lot more realistic, I guess. So no, I was I. You know, I had to stop playing that game after that. I mean, I still played it a little bit, but I like the bubble was burst. I had realized that this you just threw away four thousand dollars. I also got divorced of that game as well, but you know, that's minor compared to losing a spaceship.

Speaker 1: 1:08:18

Wife Replaceable spaceship. No Pretty much.

Speaker 2: 1:08:22

You know how hard it is to replace a $4,000 spaceship. You know how many. That took me over two years $4,000 worth. It took me over two years to get that together.

Speaker 1: 1:08:32

Oh my God, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: 1:08:33

sorry, but I am going to laugh at you for this for a very long time, dude yes, yeah, well, you, you probably, uh, you probably think that there's a rational reason for all your gun purchases too I do there you go yeah, my gun purchases are physical assets that's the thing.

Speaker 2: 1:08:57

so you think about physical versus non-physical. What is the utility of a gun other than during a defensive maneuver like, okay, yes, guns useful for saving your life if you're ever in that situation and God forbid, you are, and most people are never in that situation, but we still buy guns. We can rationalize and say that, yeah, I need all these guns for self-defense. The reality is, I want most of these guns. I can rationalize and say they're for self-defense, but realistically, I enjoy shooting them. I like having a whole bunch of guns that I can go to the range with and have fun. So what are you buying when you're buying that P90? You're buying fun. You're buying endorphins. You're buying enjoyment, which is literally exactly the same thing that you're buying in a video game.

Speaker 1: 1:09:54

Okay, I think of it differently because I think again I can sell. I can sell my guns for cash, if need be.

Speaker 2: 1:10:09

Sure, they're fungible.

Speaker 1: 1:10:11

Yeah To a much broader market.

Speaker 2: 1:10:16

yeah, then it would ever exist for a spaceship if, theoretically, I could sell, you know, an account with a bunch of in-game loot and currency in it and stuff that people do, that I've had friends do that. I've never done that, um, so I still have all the game accounts I've had.

Speaker 1: 1:10:38

I mean, this just sounds to me like what people did with world of warcraft and selling shit and oh, it's now a fungible yada, yada, yada yada thing and people making money by, you know, building up a warcraft account and then selling it on ebay and some people yeah, I know people that have done that, so it I I've just never done that, but I know that that certainly does exist I, I just I think it's silly, but okay.

Speaker 2: 1:11:13

Okay, I think that anything that you do for a hobby, anything you do because it brings you pleasure, is in the same bucket. I don't care if it's sending money to a OnlyFans check or buying video games or I think the OnlyFans check is just as useless. They're all useless, ben, they're all useless. The golf clubs are just as useless. These are all implements of endorphin. These are ways for you to feel good about yourself and potentially bad about yourself. That's which is why I gave up golf I refuse to keep doing things that make me feel bad.

Speaker 1: 1:12:07

But uh, you got me there, you got me uh-huh, but uh so that's why the recumbent bike got sold it's all in the it's all.

Speaker 2: 1:12:17

The recumbent bike was actually not bad. I I enjoyed, honestly, having everybody starting with adam, uh, literally the first week I bought that thing, give you shit, making fun of it and saying, oh, you bought a wheelchair. Geez, gene, didn't think you were in that bad shape. Like, literally a week after I, I spend five, what was it? I think it was 4800 bucks. I was made in australia and I'm getting shit for it. It's like, oh, come on.

Speaker 2: 1:12:44

And and, by the way, adam curry at that time was writing a replica of, uh, uh, of the amsterdam bikes, which is to say, a chick bike with the diagonal bars in it and a basket in the front, in front of the handlebars. That's what he was writing. So him giving me shit is yeah, not uh, you know what, like people in glass houses. So I think all of these things that you do for fun, all these things you do for enjoyment. Same thing with buying movies. You know we've been paying for a variety like way too many services. I just canceled uh, uh, what is it? The penguin or the peacock? I just canceled peacock, which I got in order to watch community because that was available on.

Speaker 1: 1:13:37

On peacock, um I'm still at the end of season five right now okay, have you gotten to the episode where they're doing gi joe? Yes, yes, that was that crazy, very retro for me it was insanely retro.

Speaker 2: 1:13:52

It was back to my childhood.

Speaker 1: 1:13:53

Retro, yeah well, I watched gi joe as a kid.

Speaker 2: 1:13:57

Well, I tried not to, but I mean like the ads for the toys that they included in the video yeah, yeah my childhood yeah, yeah, it was definitely playing to uh you more than me, yeah yeah, yeah. Well, you're getting close to almost being fully done on that.

Speaker 1: 1:14:16

All right. What else we got other than the big meltdown, and well are you watching some stupid game?

Speaker 2: 1:14:23

Are you been watching that as well, right?

Speaker 1: 1:14:26

I watched Archer when it was out, but yeah, I've watched a few episodes.

Speaker 2: 1:14:31

Okay, well, let me know if you officially want to do it or not, because I I do want to watch, uh, miami vice, because it's been a long time since I've watched that show. I think I might have watched well, I certainly watched it every episode when I was on originally, and I may have watched like one season and reruns, but I haven't seen the whole thing in reruns and uh, everybody is so damn young in that show because, you know, all these actors have gone on to do other things, so you didn't one of the actors die?

Speaker 2: 1:15:01

I, I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what? Uh? Who was the? Uh, the guy that was at battlestar galactica, right? Oh, yeah, I think it's the guy that was on battlestar, wasn't it? Yeah, I think it's the guy that was in Battlestar wasn't it who was on Battlestar Galactica, adama?

Speaker 1: 1:15:18

I didn't know, he was in Miami Vice. Oh, yeah, he was the boss of the two main characters. He was like the. I guess what would be Edward James Olmos. Yeah, that guy, he died right. I was just thinking of the other actor that died recently. No, he's still alive which one. What's his name? Um uh, gene hackman, there we go, yeah oh yeah, gene hackman, carbon monoxide poisoning it totally natural death him, his wife and his dog I mean it's unfortunate dog will be missed.

Speaker 2: 1:16:10

I like gene hackman, I do too. He was. He was uh I I said on the other show I do, uh, under hunting, uh that show that he was an underrated character in my opinion. I think he had great comedic timing. And uh, in what show in he, as an actor, had great comedic timing, like when he's done comedies. He was really good at them, but he was not really used in comedies. He was using a lot of dramas. Yeah, he was a fairly serious actor. Yeah, um uh. I'm looking at everyone who's now dead out of Miami vice. There's about 20 people. Um G Gordon Liddy who's in Miami vice. G Gordon L liddy was in miami vice. Yeah, he was captain.

Speaker 1: 1:17:01

Uh, william maynard that's ironic um uh, yeah, I remember listening to his radio show with my dad yeah, yeah how did g?

Speaker 2: 1:17:16

gordon liddy come to fame gene uh well, he was one of the people sentenced in watergate yeah, he was one of the actual people who broke in during watergate for nixon yeah, uh, allegedly so, but he was an interesting guy. I used to watch his tv show back in the day. Um, james brown is dead. He was on miami vice.

Speaker 1: 1:17:49

Um, yeah most of these are people I don't really know. So, uh, what do you think of dan bongino? I think he got appointed, uh, since we last talked, so dan is now the assistant director of the fbi, and the man I you know I'm kind of ambivalent.

Speaker 2: 1:18:11

I've never been a big fan of his, but mostly because I think he talks with a weird accent. Um, he's all right. I he seems to be a decent guy. He's in secret service, which in my experience secret service guys back when I interacted with them, tended to be very, very, uh, patriotic and kind of black and white, like there was definitely a lot more corruption potential with the fbi than the secret service, and they were all shockingly the same fucking height, which was always weird.

Speaker 1: 1:18:55

I think what Dan has said very publicly about the FBI and what his plans are for it uh really gives me a lot of hope that, um, this is gonna. I think there's a very good chance that we're burning it all down and we can start over.

Speaker 2: 1:19:15

And that makes me happy.

Speaker 1: 1:19:16

Yeah, I and that's a good point is I think there's a very good chance that we're burning it all down and we can start over, and that makes me happy.

Speaker 2: 1:19:19

Yeah, I and that's a good point is, I think the name is definitely going to stick around. Like the people may get replaced, but I don't think the name of FBI is going anywhere.

Speaker 1: 1:19:31

I agreed, Just like I don't think the ATF is necessarily going to go anywhere. What I think is going to happen. Well, I think you could pare it down to essentially all the all the normal legitimate law enforcement functions in the ATF, like the arson stuff and all that. Move that into the FBI and have the ATF do nothing but approve tax stamps If we can't get rid of the NFA.

Speaker 2: 1:20:00

Or you can just take the F out of the ATF and just have them focus on alcohol and tobacco.

Speaker 1: 1:20:07

Or we can not tax.

Speaker 2: 1:20:09

You know things like that, alcohol and tobacco. I'm actually I've always been totally okay with taxing things like that that are just, you know, useless um drug and alcohol. Morality morality police.

Speaker 2: 1:20:26

I'm totally okay with that. I'm okay with taxing sugar, for that matter. I think that things that have no beneficial value, but certainly people are free to use them, that should be taxed, and I think that is a great source of revenue, and I think Trump agrees with this, incidentally, that taxing vices is the appropriate location for taxes, taxing essentials should be avoided as much as possible. Okay, why do you disagree? Sounds like you disagree.

Speaker 1: 1:21:12

I just I think taxing anything is. I do not like taxes in general and I do not take taxes that are focused on things that I like I want because of someone else's morality.

Speaker 2: 1:21:33

Okay, Well, I mean that's fine, but if we're going to have taxes, would you rather we're gonna have taxes? Would you rather have taxes on food or would you rather have taxes on tobacco?

Speaker 1: 1:21:42

I would rather have tariffs on things brought in and call it good, and I consume a lot of foreign goods, so would you rather have a lot of the?

Speaker 2: 1:21:51

hold on like a lot of the tobacco that I consume is imported, so yeah, cool okay, so you just want to fool yourself into thinking that the reason that you're paying more is because tariff and not a tax. That's fine, you could do that oh, tariffs are taxes, but I don't know that it will, so it I.

Speaker 1: 1:22:11

I disagree that a tariff is a tax on the end user. A tariff is a tax on someone who is producing something. It is not a tariff on the end user. Now people will argue well, but if you tax the development of XYZ good, it will increase the cost of XYZ.

Speaker 2: 1:22:28

There's a phrase for that, called difference without distinction.

Speaker 1: 1:22:31

No, no, no, no Maybe. But it also depends on the market. If there are market alternatives inside the US, yeah, that's a good point that are just as valid If you have a reasonable market alternative to that imported good Right.

Speaker 2: 1:22:46

The imported good cannot charge more than the reasonable domestically created product because, they don't have the tariff so the problem with that and I'm I'm, incidentally, I am for using tariffs, uh, like trump is for leverage, absolutely. But I think the problem with it that arises that tariffs absolutely can be a replacement for taxes by a government. Uh, you can, you can say, well, we're going to tax foreign let's say foreign automobiles are taxed, domestic automobiles are not right. So then it seems like, well, this is not really a tax, because you have the alternative of getting the us manufactured automobiles without that tariff being in place. Agreed, okay, so that's fine.

Speaker 2: 1:23:40

However, what ends up happening in most governments that I've seen relating to tariffs is that they realize that, okay, well, this sucks, we're not getting any money from domestic cars. How do we get money from them as well? Oh, I know, let's start tariffing the materials that they use for domestic car manufacturing so that we get money from them as well. And then what you end up with is you know essentially what Ford said recently, which is, if the Trump tariffs kick in, ford's cost on parts will rise by about 26%, okay, which means the price of cars is going to go up.

Speaker 1: 1:24:26

That, or we start making simpler cars, which? Is what we should be doing anyway. Yeah, yeah be doing anyway, yeah, yeah, the reason why cars have become so expensive over the last couple of decades is because of all the stupid features we pump into them that we don't need, like you don't need remote start on your vehicle.

Speaker 2: 1:24:47

It's a bad idea, you don't need to smoke tobacco. You're using the exact same argument here you don't need remote start. Well, I need it, but I I want it.

Speaker 1: 1:24:55

I want options without it is my point. Like I want the 15 000 toyota hylux truck that isn't allowed in the us right now. Right like I want these things, I want simpler alternatives if you want to spend the money and have that remote start, you go do it. I don't want the telematic system in my vehicle tied in to a cellular connection. I think it's a stupid idea.

Speaker 2: 1:25:18

Well, that's the law now. They can't not do it.

Speaker 1: 1:25:25

That was anyway.

Speaker 2: 1:25:26

Obama air law.

Speaker 1: 1:25:27

Yeah, and that'll be cut Hopefully it's done.

Speaker 2: 1:25:31

Executive order that was passed in Congress, man. It can still be not enforced, and lots of other things I mean, I wish I wish that was the case, because right now any modern car can be remotely turned off, yes, which is a fucking problem.

Speaker 1: 1:25:48

Well, you say that, but that's because you don't work for the fbi uh, okay, you work for the cia, I do not work for the cia, thank you, I am not catholic exactly what a cia agent would say oh jesus christ. No, anyway, uh, did you. Did you see trump's conversation earlier this week with kirstenmer? I saw about 10 minutes where he literally said you think you could beat russia without us? And I saw that the look on stormer's face was just oh, my fucking god, what's he gonna?

Speaker 2: 1:26:26

do. None of them can do jack shit without america, but they all want to pretend. That's why you heard zelensky saying the word partner and you heard all these guys keep using the word partner. The united states is not a partner. The united states is the 900 pound gorilla that stands in a group of humans and they all want to pretend like we're all partners. You're not partners.

Speaker 1: 1:26:52

We're just using your country to station our troops well, if we do pull out of europe, dude, can you imagine the economic collapse that is going to happen when billions of dollars leaves the already fragile economies of germany, france and potentially the uk? Uh, so I, I, posted and we could even bring in the uk into uh nafta.

Speaker 2: 1:27:20

Well, I think we having economic based uh affiliations that is much more preferable, in my opinion, than military based ones right.

Speaker 1: 1:27:32

But my point is I I think with with brexit, with the uk floundering on trade deals, if we just brought them into the nafta agreements and kind of imposed our will on them in that way and saying, hey, you're going to agree to what mexico and canada did and we're going to work together, we're going to help you out here, uk uh, that would be a huge step for the uk yeah, I.

Speaker 2: 1:27:59

I think it's a uh, definitely something that could happen. Um uk has got so many problems right now, though, that they have to deal with themselves. They're they're arresting people for saying incorrect words Years later even Years later.

Speaker 1: 1:28:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah, like one guy literally got arrested recently for a post. He made a meme post four years back and you know, even if you agree with, hey, you shouldn't be saying stuff. Well, this was said before any of that agreement was made.

Speaker 2: 1:28:42

Yeah, well, it's the same idea as defacing Civil War monuments or taking them down completely because in current liberal viewpoint, they want to have things that they don't like just not exist. Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, so I was going to say so. I posted basically fuck Zelensky or no, fuck the EU. I said to quote Victoria Nuland, fuck the EU. And the said to quote Victoria Newland, fuck the EU and the Zelensky that they wrote it on, and then hashtag America first, and I had a bunch of likes to that post, and then I had one person reply back with hashtag Trump's Russian asset.

Speaker 1: 1:29:33

Which, oh my god, why are they back on this again? They?

Speaker 2: 1:29:37

they can't get off it. They don't. They have no plan b, they have zero other thoughts other than this, and in their mind it's it's like the world against russia, and anyone who is not with them against Russia must clearly be a Russian asset.

Speaker 1: 1:29:59

So if we play this out to its logical end, we're going to end up with three, maybe four, hegemons right as we go to this multipolar world. Yeah, russia, china, europe, the US yeah, Although Europe is questionable. That's where I said three, maybe four, because I agree with you Europe is very questionable, especially when we talk about it.

Speaker 2: 1:30:20

They have no resources whatsoever.

Speaker 1: 1:30:22

Their resources are largely exhausted. Their economies are failing. If the US decides not to protect Europe, they will devolve back to war, like they were doing.

Speaker 2: 1:30:30

They have the most socialist economies of the planet, right?

Speaker 1: 1:30:33

now Right. Economies of the planet right now right. But europe wasn't war-torn for as long as it's existed, up until the bretton woods agreement and the liberal world order imposed its will. Yep, um. I think china is a non-starter because I think they're an evil country. I don't think there's any way for the US to play nice with China without getting stabbed in the back.

Speaker 2: 1:30:59

I didn't read that one, but let's just keep going.

Speaker 1: 1:31:01

All right, I've said for a long time, and I don't think Russia is as free as we are today. But I've said for a long time, I think Russia and the US are two ships passing in the night. They are becoming more free, we are becoming less free. Yes, I think that the Trump administration has got a good start on correcting our course. I hope Russia continues to become more and more free, but that remains to be seen. But it is a better alliance than it would be with Europe, and it's a better alliance than it would be with europe and it's a better alliance than it would be with china why, are we ignoring this?

Speaker 2: 1:31:44

yeah, because there's still a bunch of people that are stuck in the cold war era, thinking that are involved in politics. That's like lindsey graham. That's the only reason we're still stuck in. That is because that they've and they've done a damn good job of just using this paintbrush to keep saying putin bad, putin bad, so that the same people that want the two-state solution in israel and are chanting from the river to the sea in colleges are also still saying Putin bad, putin bad. It's like guys, at least be consistent.

Speaker 1: 1:32:25

Well, I think it is very. It's going to be very interesting and telling to see what happens, I think, if we pull out of Ukraine. One of the things you pointed out to me yesterday is, if we do that and Russia decides to put pressure on Iran, the the whole, the whole Gaza Vegas idea that Trump has, is it happened, then plausible? Because if Russia puts enough pressure on Iran, they'd back off they got.

Speaker 2: 1:33:00

Russia is fully capable of putting pressure on Iran, given that Iran, that Russia, is Iran's largest trade partner right now. They can totally put pressure on them to make a formal announcement saying that Iran is going to create a place for all of the displaced Palestinians. They can even still say Israel bad, but all they have to do is essentially say publicly not like behind hidden doors, but publicly say Iran will take all these Palestinians and give them you know what. Clearly they're not getting from Egypt, because Egypt should be seen as a bad guy in this, because Egypt is literally next door and all they got to do is knock down the wall between Gaza and Egypt, which is a bigger wall than Israel has and has way fewer people going through it. Just say look, if you lived in gaza, just move to egypt and you'll you'll live a happy, safe life. They don't want to do that. Obviously iran could. No, that's what I mean. Egypt doesn't want that, but iran, if they just make that announcement, it you'd be hard to then argue again.

Speaker 1: 1:34:16

For Ron token, quite a bit of the uh Palestinians.

Speaker 2: 1:34:20

Well, they took in some, not as much as they could have.

Speaker 1: 1:34:23

Yeah, but you, you get my, you get my point there. They're very capable of doing that.

Speaker 2: 1:34:28

Absolutely. But even even like Jordan took in I think a thousand, um took in I think a thousand. If we haven't been fighting in Syria with all this bullshit, if Assad would have just finished off the opposition there, then likely we could have sent the Palestinians there as well. But we fucked up Syria. So now we've got Taliban or not Taliban. We have a ISIS in there.

Speaker 1: 1:35:01

So, yeah, all I can say is again I'm not a sycophant. I think what Trump did with Assad and Syria is wrong, shouldn't have you know, sent the the the Tomahawks and shouldn't have supported him in the beginning, or shouldn't have supported the rebels in the beginning. But what has happened since is the real travesty there. So anyway, things are changing. I think Assad could potentially end up back in Syria at some point.

Speaker 2: 1:35:38

He could end up back in Syria.

Speaker 1: 1:35:41

And now that his wife's divorced him, you know he can move on. Yeah, which like what a, b?

Speaker 2: 1:35:50

you know, Like how Are you calling his wife a woman on man?

Speaker 1: 1:35:58

I am. You know what man that's sony by?

Speaker 2: 1:36:02

it is so stand by your man.

Speaker 1: 1:36:04

That's a myth, yeah, yeah, it is so hard not to look at modern women and how they handle themselves and not hate women, yeah and I I try very, very hard, because I still have some hope and believe I haven't I haven't been totally crushed women yeah probably yeah so I think there's a potential here.

Speaker 2: 1:36:30

I mean, that's the one sort of silver lining around this behavior that we saw from zelensky. Is that, uh, I think it may make um putin more amicable. It effectively softened him up a little bit in his conversations with trump to to try and create some kind of you know, better relationship. Not that he's opposed to a better, he wants a better relationship, obviously. But what I mean by that is if there's some sort of a yeah, very good.

Speaker 2: 1:37:08

If there's some sort of a obvious split between Ukraine and the U S, that I think Putin can be more friendly to the U? S in the rest of the world, in a lot of other things that Russia is doing or involved in. So I think that's a good thing and I agree with you. I think that the opportunity that was completely missed by Bill Clinton was in establishing a strong partnership with Russia at a point where Russia could not really do anything else, where the country had just fallen apart out of the USSR and then start doing deals for things like resources in Siberia, and instead all that happened was they let American companies go in and stick a McDonald's in every other block.

Speaker 1: 1:38:09

It's not just that you could have not Weapons manufacturing maybe wouldn't have gotten the boost and kept the boost that it had, but the rest of the portions of the economy would have done extremely well with those resources. Russia has a lot of resources they can't utilize. They don't have the industrial base to do it. Most of their oil without Western influence and help they can't utilize. They don't have the industrial base to do it. Most of their oil without western influence and help they can't get out. So I, I agree and you know just turn your once enemy into your greatest ally and friend, like we did with japan exactly I was going to point to japan.

Speaker 2: 1:38:51

It's like what do you do after you win a war with somebody? Well, you have a few options. You can obliterate them so that there's nothing there but empty sand, and that's happened in a lot of countries in the past. You can uh, become a friend, like we did with japan, and a mentor and effectively prevent them from fucking you over for the next 50 years or longer. But that involves some commitment on your part, both financial and personnel. You can, you know, create a vassal state, which I guess Japan is in some way.

Speaker 2: 1:39:30

But other places are more so than Japan. Other places are more so than Japan, but you know, simply, what we did with Russia, I think, is closest to basically letting your lords of your country just go and ramshackle and just pillage and steal, and that has short-term benefits. I don't want to negate those benefits, like you're totally capable of getting something out of it, but it's not going to be long-term. Oh, that's a funny cartoon. You just sent me a cartoon meeting with Zaborski wearing the woke person head and the Jamie Vance with the what. What is that character?

Speaker 1: 1:40:19

called the, I don't know, just the, the based.

Speaker 2: 1:40:23

Yeah, the base guy the base guy, kind of the alpha dude, and what's, what's trump's? What is that supposed to be? What's on trump's face? He's the more nordic alpha dude is all okay I see I see so bottom line is, if you look at the composure with the arms crossed and like leaning uh back, like that, that that's he did the mean antagonistic, antagonistic, and yeah, I said and antagonistic, antagonistic, there you go it's.

Speaker 1: 1:40:55

It's just funny because he did the meme and he told me cool, yeah, yeah yeah, and then, of course, you got one of putin eating popcorn.

Speaker 2: 1:41:03

Yeah, yeah, uh, a fun fact the first time I ever had popcorn in my life ever was in crimea uh, okay, cool remember that when I saw that picture of popcorn, uh-huh remember the first time I had popcorn.

Speaker 1: 1:41:23

I'd never had it before then okay, I I don't remember the first time I had popcorn well, you were probably really young when you had I. I was like six uh, this is, uh, this is how poor you were probably really young when you had it.

Speaker 2: 1:41:41

I was like six. This is how poor you were in Russia. Huh yeah, we couldn't even afford popcorn, man.

Speaker 1: 1:41:44

Come on now you come from an oligarch family.

Speaker 2: 1:41:46

Let's be honest, Whatever whatever.

Speaker 1: 1:41:50

I mean, y'all had land right.

Speaker 2: 1:41:52

No, we didn't have land Hell, no, well, we had a little bit of land, but not not really oligarch. Oh, we had the kind of land that you have an outhouse on, like no indoor plumbing. That's the kind of land we had. A total oligarch got it. Yeah, total oligarch, exactly now, pre-russian revolution.

Speaker 1: 1:42:15

That's a different story now I I love how people are posting all the old videos of zolinski dancing and doing stupid stuff and playing the piano with this penis, and so on same guy, yep, same guy that is now talking to trump in the local office. You're our partner and, you know, one of the conversations I had, you know, was well, they have a right to do this, they have a right to do that, and I said, no, they don't. They're a vassal state.

Speaker 2: 1:42:44

Yeah, you know, and it wasn't trump that made them that way, it was obama, yeah, and trying to remind people of that, but yeah, yeah, and you could even argue and I I'm not going to push back if you say that they were a vassal state of russia and then they flipped and became a vassal state of the united states, well, that makes sense, because they were never a fucking country, it was literally just a western part. It's like if california during the, the great fall of amer America that broke the country apart, if California had become an independent country.

Speaker 1: 1:43:21

Which can we leave them?

Speaker 2: 1:43:23

Yeah, and then China sent in some free goods to them and they're like yeah, we're now going to join the Chinese military cooperative. How would the part that used to be, uh, america before it fell apart, feel about that?

Speaker 1: 1:43:42

well, here's the thing we might let san diego and la go, but western california, that's actually pretty based. We would probably be, you know, a little upset about it I mean I mean eastern california eastern california, sorry, yeah, I yeah. Well, san diego's also got a little upset about it. What do you mean? Western California, eastern California, sorry?

Speaker 2: 1:43:58

Well, san Diego's also got three military bases there, and they're the most conservative of all of California.

Speaker 1: 1:44:04

Okay, so anyway, my point is, there would be parts of California we would say bye-bye okay with. San Francisco, sorry, jcd and other parts, we wouldn't I would let the whole thing go, fuck it.

Speaker 2: 1:44:21

They can't grow anything without the vanna water. The whole damn place is useless. Now the vanna I would definitely keep uh why? Well, it's um, you know, it's got the good land for military bases and it's got a very good, uh, marketing sales force and all the mormons that live there.

Speaker 1: 1:44:48

So I, yeah, yeah what is it with the jews and the mountain jews getting along so well? My god you've never heard that term before.

Speaker 2: 1:45:05

I have heard it, just not from you. You're like a double anti-Semite here.

Speaker 1: 1:45:15

Ah, you admit it, you admit it.

Speaker 2: 1:45:17

Ah, too funny, Too funny. No, I've said this before. I've never like there's so many stereotypes about Mormons. I've experienced the positive, Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum. I've only experienced the positive, Like I've only experienced the positive aspects of interacting uh, interacting with Mormons. I've never, uh, never dealt with any of the negatives.

Speaker 1: 1:45:41

I've had both. Like I said, I grew up when I was in Idaho, uh, my boy scout trip was at a Mormon church. Right, I have friends that are Mormons, but you know how many moms did they have? All of them were were monogamous families.

Speaker 2: 1:45:59

Let's pretend, yes, and frankly, why do we need to pretend anyway, right? What is wrong with polygamy?

Speaker 1: 1:46:07

There's nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 2: 1:46:08

It solves the biggest problem that you have in the marriage, which is having the woman be bitching at you all the time. She could be bitching to her other sister wife instead. Yeah, the more free time for the dude to go do important things like play video games. Honestly, I think that the whole idea of of like a man only having one wife was created by people that are so insecure that they think that they can barely hold on to one, and god forbid they had somebody that was allowed to have two. That person would steal their wife all right.

Speaker 1: 1:46:53

Well, I, I don't dude, I don't, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to deal with more than one, I just but the whole point is to give up. It's kind of like getting yeah until they sync up dude, and then you're just screwed it's kind of like getting a uh, a pet cat.

Speaker 2: 1:47:11

Right, yes, the cat can ignore you and you could do all these things by itself. But if you get two pet cats, you'll hardly ever see them because they're going to be doing cat things together or even fighting with each other. But either way, they'll leave you alone, other than when you need to feed them. For the most part, they'll just avoid you. So it's the same thing with wives.

Speaker 1: 1:47:36

I think, now that we're talking about bigamy, we have officially run out of topics.

Speaker 2: 1:47:41

You think, yeah, I, I recommend anybody that thinks that that polygamy is a uh, a bad thing. Watch the old hbo show big love, uh, with bill paxton. I think he was in that. Uh, that came out probably oh, 18, 20 years ago at this point. I watched it when I was first running. Uh, I thought it was very well done and it it showed a modern, uh, polygamist, uh, mormon family in a very not not really a positive light, but in the very sort of, you know, normalized light, like, like, there's, it's not a weird thing. They're not weird like pedophiles and trying to, you know, marry women at 14 or any bullshit like that. Okay, it was just like. You know, a successful dude who owns a hardware store happens to be a mormon, that believes still in the uh, joe smith's uh commandments and, um, he happens to have three wives, but other than that, he's totally normal guy.

Speaker 1: 1:48:55

Okay, I think it's weird, but okay.

Speaker 2: 1:48:59

Well, it's weird because we're not used to it, right? We're not like we didn't grow up in that it seems weird. But I, I, really I think, if you start looking back at a human civilization, sure it was the norm.

Speaker 1: 1:49:14

I gotcha, it was the norm.

Speaker 2: 1:49:15

I gotcha. It's the norm, exactly, and in a lot of Islam today it is the norm. Best religion in the world.

Speaker 1: 1:49:27

Yeah. Yeah, I'm not an Andrew Tate follower, so I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 2: 1:49:35

Well, it's hard not to be when he posts so much Jesus, a lot of posts by Tate follower, so I don't know what to tell you. Well, it's hard not to be when he posts so much Jesus, a lot of posts by Tate I mean in his ethics.

Speaker 1: 1:49:43

I don't believe it.

Speaker 2: 1:49:44

So you're not like a follower in the sense of like your big advocate of Andrew Tate, correct, yeah, I agree with you. I think he's funny. I think he throws some good memes out there. Yeah, but the guy is clearly sleazy. That that's pretty obvious from you know 10 minutes of listening to him. Yeah, but just because he's sleazy, I I think it's still worthwhile to check out his memes because they are funny oh he, he.

Speaker 1: 1:50:14

And he makes good points occasionally. No, no doubt about that. Don't disagree that. He is a pimp there it's like, and he's a smart pimp, he's a successful pimp, he is a successful pimp, absolutely that doesn't mean, you know, I think much of it yeah, yeah, like you don't.

Speaker 2: 1:50:32

You don't have to like him. There are plenty of people that have made money in even more or less, less or more in other ways, which I would not want to make money than him, and I don't think he's really like pretending that he's not a pimp. I think it's pretty obvious to that he's not a pimp. I think it's pretty obvious to everybody he is a pimp. Yeah, so, and I've, I've met pimps before, I've done business with pimps before. It's not what you think I'm sure you have.

Speaker 2: 1:51:08

I mean, like you know, selling companies to him and things like that yeah, uh-huh uh-huh, uh-huh, yeah, but again the thing that to me is so funny is when he decided to become a Muslim, because I think he latched down to this idea that, hey, being a pimp in the Muslim religion is totally kosher.

Speaker 1: 1:51:33

It's actually basically a priest, because you're temporarily marrying.

Speaker 2: 1:51:40

Yeah, yeah, so he. You know I, I get it why a lot of people don't like him. I don't love him, but I do think that he is funny and he is good at prodding the wrong people the right way. Like I think the people that hate him the most are the people that are the most fucked in the head, in my opinion.

Speaker 1: 1:52:07

Yep.

Speaker 2: 1:52:09

So it's all the B2 movement people.

Speaker 1: 1:52:13

Yeah, I get it, but he's also got problems.

Speaker 2: 1:52:16

Oh yeah, he's a pimp. He likes his flashy lifestyle, but again, it's fairly out in the open, whereas guys like Biden's son are doing all the same stuff and worse.

Speaker 1: 1:52:37

but worse yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:52:41

And arguably the reason that Biden's son is doing all this stuff and the reason Biden's daughter is the way she is is because Biden was a pedophile. Agreed.

Speaker 1: 1:52:52

So you know, in all likelihood agreed.

Speaker 2: 1:52:55

Yeah, we don't know, but it it seems like that's a likely scenario, but hopefully Andrew Tate is not.

Speaker 1: 1:53:03

He likes to smell kids.

Speaker 2: 1:53:04

Andrew Tate, I think, has gone on record multiple times saying that, yeah, underage is absolutely evil and people that do it ought to be thrown into woodchuckers yeah, and we can talk about that.

Speaker 1: 1:53:23

Okay, go ahead. I mean just, you know what is a?

Speaker 2: 1:53:29

what is?

Speaker 1: 1:53:29

age? Yeah, because I think that varies culturally and everything else absolutely, and I it.

Speaker 2: 1:53:36

I think the Vatican just raised their age a few years back, from 9 to 12. Ugh, that's sick. Muhammad's wife Aisha she was 13 when they consummated the marriage, but I think she was 9 or 10 when they got married when they consummated the marriage, but I think she was nine or ten when they got married. You know, I think there's a practical reasonableness test that has to be applied, like is this relationship reasonable or not? And something that may be reasonable for two 13-year-olds becomes unreasonable for a 13-year-old and 29-year-old. Would you agree with that?

Speaker 1: 1:54:22

I think that there's lots of things I I just I don't know man. I think it's absolutely absurd where we're at in our society, in our lives we're at in our society and our lives.

Speaker 2: 1:54:36

Well, it's absurd that it seems to be more normal to castrate children because they don't want to play with a fire truck and instead want to play with a Barbie, and at the same time, say that somebody who's a 20-year-old sleeping with a 17-year old is guilty of pedophilia I, okay, I that I can agree with.

Speaker 1: 1:55:03

There is a difference there, but and there's a maturity difference. There's lots of things there, but we're not going to solve that on this one. No, that just sounds like. Did you see the meme of? Uh you, you've watched seinfeld, right, and the episode where george stands, storms out of the meeting or whatever, and seinfeld? Yeah, he says oh, you can go back, you can just go back, it'll never happen.

Speaker 2: 1:55:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah zelinski what do you think he's gonna go, go back.

Speaker 1: 1:55:35

I think he's going to try. Oh man, I mean they are. According to the, you know Hindustan Times, there is a impeachment movement against him.

Speaker 2: 1:55:49

The US media isn't reporting it. Hindustan Times is like the old world news newspapers that used to be sold, you know, in stores. It's basically just sensationalist journalism, so they'll put all kinds of stuff up. I watch it occasionally. That's why I know this, because it's like, oh my god, I can't believe they have that running they have a 24 hour live stream on YouTube.

Speaker 1: 1:56:18

Good for them.

Speaker 2: 1:56:19

Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1: 1:56:21

Anything else we need to talk about?

Speaker 2: 1:56:23

No, let's wrap up. I think we're good to go. You know, I'm just. It's been a fun week. It's been a week where I was proving right about the the non-release of the Epstein files.

Speaker 1: 1:56:39

Well, we did get some files. And it is literally. The binder was literally labeled, you know, volume one or phase one or whatever. So I think more is coming. We'll see.

Speaker 2: 1:56:51

But hopefully Pam Bandy learned a lesson about putting out statements like I have it sitting on my desk when that's clearly bullshit. And she didn't yeah, well you know, you have to learn hard lessons sometimes because if you don't, they will only get worse over time, and that's that's something to learn. Remember people always are in their best behavior in the first couple of months of their job.

Speaker 2: 1:57:16

The longer they're at their job, the less you expect good behavior from them okay that's why you got to fire people every two months, yeah well, maybe we won't talk to you next week, then, gene well, maybe that's that's a good point.

Speaker 2: 1:57:33

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Speaker 1: 1:57:57

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Speaker 2: 1:58:06

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