Speaker 1: 0:25

Howdy Ben, how are you today? I am as well as I deserve Gene.

Speaker 2: 0:31

Yes, well, I'm usually worse than I deserve.

Speaker 1: 0:34

Yeah, you got something going on.

Speaker 2: 0:35

I deserve better, damn it.

Speaker 1: 0:38

What'd you do?

Speaker 2: 0:39

I have no idea. I still have a foot thing. I talked about it in my other podcast, unrelenting that show. We don't talk about that show. It's not getting better, better, which is not good. It's that weird thing. You kind of got a random pain that kind of spread from my foot to my ankle and it's very much focused in the ankle right now, like if I, you know, press a little bit with my finger around the foot area. The the biggest pain is when I press just under the ankle. So something's going on. But you know, I also didn't even connect the tube, but I kind of started feeling that my foot felt like it was asleep, a little bit of numbness, about a day before the pain and all started. And then Darren yesterday mentioned a. I guess he was looking up like what could this be? So that could be a blood clot. I'm like I never thought of that. Shit, that's not good. So well, go take care of this. The medical professionals.

Speaker 1: 1:42

After some of the medication that I've been taking, for you know my issues that we've talked about on this podcast.

Speaker 2: 1:51

You know I've had some weird pains in my leg and definitely thought the same thing, especially given the high blood pressure that I've had and everything else yeah, so I, I, you know, normally I'm just taking the advil if I had some generic pain somewhere, but but instead of that I'm like no fuck that. I'm taking aspirin, if anything. I want to thin out my blood right now, but I don't know, maybe it's not a blood clot, it could be something totally different. But the point is, you know, once things start feeling better, usually I don't bother going to the doctor. But if it keeps getting worse every day, that feeling better, usually I don't bother going to the doctor, but if it keeps getting worse every day.

Speaker 1: 2:38

That's usually the trigger to actually go seek some medical advice yeah, which you know. All they're gonna do is google it anyway. Well, and you know, maybe do a mri or doppler scan to look at what's going on, hopefully yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2: 2:46

I did do an infrared imaging of my foot. It's actually pretty cool, because the hottest point on the foot is exactly where the pain is. Huh.

Speaker 2: 2:59

Well, hopefully here's to you, just spreading your ankle because it didn't happen while I was actively doing anything. It just sort of gradually started getting kind of heightened and progressively more painful. And the pain doesn't get better after night, after, you know, sleeping. So a sprain usually has a singular event that happens. So I don't know what it is, honestly, and that definitely has me a little more worried. But let's not spend all day talking about that. That's not interesting to people. Yeah, so what happened?

Speaker 1: 3:35

this week.

Speaker 2: 3:37

What did happen? Well, I know, for me, the big thing was just the whole Visa and MasterCard, realizing that the gaming communities has a lot of money associated with it.

Speaker 1: 3:49

Well, they definitely shut themselves on the foot, yeah, which?

Speaker 2: 3:53

apparently a group that's like 20 people gathered just over 1,000 petition signatures, and that was enough to make Visa and MasterCard tell not just Steam but other game resellers that you will no longer sell adult games or you're not going to have access to these in mastercard and the gaming community has done what a lot of things, a lot. There's been a definite calling and a writing campaign going on. There's also been a 4chan campaign going on and there's been a lot.

Speaker 1: 4:31

I mean, if I came to pool was talking about it and everybody else like there's been a bit. But one of the things I would say is do they have more voices than the, quite frankly, children, parents, children, mamas, these twats?

Speaker 2: 4:56

on the other side. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:59

Here's the thing you can either censor and do the nanny state thing, or you can say you know what People are adults, there are restrictions around this, and let them do what they want to do you can't buy the games without having you know.

Speaker 2: 5:18

I mean, the credit card was the proof of age, Exactly. You can't buy the damn game without a credit card. Now, what they're pushing for is, if somebody's going to be buying these games, they're going to be not using a credit card. That's brilliant. Yeah, reverse kind of way yeah, anyway it.

Speaker 1: 5:41

it's absolutely nuts to me that adults want to restrict other adults. This, this is where I am the heavy libertarian, coming in and saying no, your body, your mind, whatever you want to do, you do. Privacy in your own home. It's a game, it's not hurting anyone, I don't care what it promotes. I don't care what you think it promotes, I don't, I do not care.

Speaker 2: 6:07

And it's a it's. It's the left's puritanism. It's the same people that are, all you know, for equality and women's rights. And you go, girl boss, yeah. And. And then they're like men shouldn't be looking at dirty video games because they should be out going to bars and buying drinks for us.

Speaker 1: 6:27

Well, and here's the other thing. What the fuck do you think would happen if they tried to do this, if it was a women's romance novels? Yeah, no, no, no, gay, uh okay yeah, trans video game, whatever, yeah, yeah, they would lose their effing minds oh, yeah, yeah, equal, equal protection.

Speaker 2: 6:48

Man, they could play. You can't? You can't be discriminating against gay games. Yeah, that would be all over the news. Absolutely it is. It is crazy. Now this, the country of japan, which has a to the western sense, a much more perverted sense of sexuality. Oh, dude, hentai. Yeah, exactly, they're not taking this shit sitting down, they're like. So the country, the, the companies of visa and mastercard are currently violating japanese laws that could get them banned in the country.

Speaker 1: 7:23

Okay, because they're not allowed they can't economically do that, but okay no, no, well they.

Speaker 2: 7:31

You know it's funny because that's my argument for the US not being able to do anything against China Because we can't economically do that. But it's always a question of is there more will?

Speaker 1: 7:42

for one side or the other. We'll get into that.

Speaker 2: 7:45

But remember way before the I really want to talk about the Genius Act and I really want to talk about the Genius Act. Yeah, yeah, way before Visa would get banned in Japan, there would be some extremely heavy fines told on them.

Speaker 1: 7:58

And it's.

Speaker 2: 8:01

You know it's a lot easier collecting money from the company than it is dealing with people that don't want the ban of the company, but the ban is something that's currently in their laws. That is a remedy that the country of Japan can execute, because they still have, culturally, a very anti-foreigner, doing-shit-in-our-country attitude. The same reason that they make no qualms about putting people in prison for years that do stupid shit on youtube because they're there's like our country. In fact, there's a campaign going on right now at the airports in tokyo and the other japanese cities to say our country is not a theme park. It literally is. Though Well, yes, you've just got yourself permabanned from ever going to Japan. Congratulations.

Speaker 2: 8:58

They will use this podcast as a reason to ban you.

Speaker 1: 9:03

I will probably be in Tokyo later this year on my way to. Guam Tokyo's be in tokyo later this year we'll see on my way to guam.

Speaker 2: 9:14

Tokyo's interesting, but I really like osaka a lot more. It's been many years since I've been to japan, but I used to fly there semi regularly never been. Yep, it's a cool place. Definitely go check out. If, if you actually have the time and you're in Japan, check out one of the castles there.

Speaker 1: 9:31

I will be in, so I've got to go to Guam this year. And I can choose to land in Hawaii and then go to Guam, or Tokyo and then go to Guam. So I've never been to either Tokyo and then go to Guam, so I've never been to either. So I think I'm going to go to one on the leg out and one on the way back.

Speaker 2: 9:57

Well, there's nothing at the Hawaii airport dude. Well, I'm going to be there for over a day. There's nothing. You've been to Mexico. Hawaii is like a more expensive version of Mexico.

Speaker 1: 10:10

Okay cool. This is why I'm going to go to Japan first. Yeah yeah, and maybe on the way back I go to Singapore instead. I don't know that would be interesting.

Speaker 2: 10:21

I've never been to Singapore, but that would be a city that would be fun to go to for sure.

Speaker 1: 10:25

For sure, I like their airlines.

Speaker 2: 10:27

You can't go to Dubai on the way back Wrong direction. We're sure I like their airlines that's to buy on the way back wrong direction. Uh, you know, six to one and a half dozen of the other I mean you're flying halfway around the world.

Speaker 1: 10:36

What difference does it make? Yeah, exactly a lot of those tickets you can do like round trip, like round the world tickets, uh, so there there's a singapore airlines flight I really want to take and it goes from new New York to Singapore, to Singapore to New York, and I'm very tempted because it's literally circumnavigating the call.

Speaker 2: 10:57

Mm-hmm, cool. Yeah, I've never done the full circumnavigation. I've got a few friends that have when they've booked their flights to that part of world new zealand or something and then they end up coming back around the other way. Yeah, I think also if you go to china like not on the coast of china but a little more mid china then you can certainly justify doing a full round trip ticket because, or around the world ticket because you're literally halfway between, for sure, what else is going on?

Speaker 1: 11:40

Well, we've had a few things. Probably one of the biggest things is the Wyoming Gun Channel's thing on Sig, if you want to talk about that. Have you seen his latest video?

Speaker 2: 11:53

No, I've only seen the first one.

Speaker 1: 11:55

So one of the things they're showing is and this goes to SIG's statement that they changed because they said the gun can only go off if the trigger is pulled. Then they changed it to the gun can only go off if the trigger is moved to the rear, and one of the things that they found is the sear safety is disengaged as soon as the travel take up, for the trigger is pulled at all. The gun becomes unsafe during the take up, correct. So here's the thing. A lot of someone fiddles with their trigger.

Speaker 2: 12:38

Yeah, that seer safety is potentially disengaged. Yeah, well, you remember before they had the trigger replacements a few years back, 2017. Yeah, yeah, a few years ago they. The one of the issues that people were saying is that the trigger was heavy enough that it would literally move if you drop the gun on its back like you know, barrel up. If you did that type of drop, the weight of the trigger would be sufficient to actually fire the round.

Speaker 1: 13:09

Yes, and they did a voluntary recall. Now I'm going to say something. I am a SIG owner.

Speaker 2: 13:24

I own three SIG handguns a.

Speaker 1: 13:25

P320, a 365, and a 229. They are all fantastic guns. They shoot great, love them. They are all fantastic guns, they shoot great, love them. What I will say is sigs ignoring of this issue is a problem. They need to hit this head on. They need to change the way this is being addressed. And you know, maybe they're it may be too expensive for them or whatever, but otherwise you're just, you're destroying your brand. Like there are too many police departments, there are two. The military contract is already at risk. You either address this or you fail utterly Wait.

Speaker 2: 13:59

I'm sorry. Are you talking about Sig or Trump?

Speaker 1: 14:02

Well, we can get into Trump in a second. It's the same argument and the actually I, I, trump is still winning in my mind, but that's a whole other thing. What it comes down to is SIG needs to recognize they have an issue, they need to address it and they need to hit it head on. They can't just continue to say there's nothing wrong. Now what I would say is the fundamental design of the gun yeah, all the safeties they have. Everything they have, I think, is good. What I will say is the m17, m18, with the manual safety. If that is engaged, you can't pull the trigger, you can't dis disengage the sear safety and things like that. This is a good thing. The video that Wyoming whatever his name is did, where he pulled the trigger back slightly, put a screw in and then wiggled the slide. Another channel did that with an XDS, with, with the 365, with several other handguns, and they all failed. So, yeah, I don't believe that's the case. No, they did it. What do you mean? You don't believe? I'm not gonna trust that video.

Speaker 2: 15:22

Why? Because we have had zero instances of those reports this very much sounds like a Sig fanboy deciding to fake a video that shows Sig did nothing wrong. Okay, so I want to see statistical data showing those guns actually do that, not one video by some unknown person.

Speaker 1: 15:43

Look, there is a lot of play in the slide on the P320. There is not on the P365. I have literally gone to my P320 and my 365 and done this and not been able to replicate what wyoming whatever his name is did yep so literally pulling the trigger back to the wall, wiggling the slide firing pin did not drop. 365 does not have that same amount of play. Did the exact same thing.

Speaker 2: 16:11

Could not get it to drop now you saw the other video I sent you with the machinist. Potentially, potentially so. Is it clearly a guy who has a machine shop because he's got a cnc machine and he used his CNC machine to measure the exactly how much distance of travel the trigger needs to be for the gun to fire from a wiggling of the slide and like you can see the numbers and that machine the cnc is obviously, you know, super high tolerances on those things, so it's not just a. He took a screw and put it in there and, unknown and what was his results?

Speaker 2: 17:00

so it's. It's 0.02 basically disengages the the safety, and by moving the slide he could get the gun to fire.

Speaker 1: 17:10

Now he did it without a round in, so you just heard a click, but he had a microphone right next to it, and this, this is the case where hold on, let me, let me finish the thing with boom.

Speaker 2: 17:21

So then he measured what is the distance to actually have the trigger go off normally, which is 0.9. And so what he's saying is and he kind of took a very neutral role on this he's like I'm just measuring this stuff. I mean they should fix if something's broken. But first of all we need actual numbers, not a screw in the trigger, because everyone can make fun of that. But I think his point was that it appears that there's a fairly large disconnect that aligns with what you're saying between when the safety no longer functions and when the the firearm is actually supposed to go off.

Speaker 2: 18:07

Like if that distance was 0.1, let's say, you'd have to get the trigger to 0.7 and then the gun goes off at 0.9 normally when you pull the trigger. You can argue that that's close enough. When it's 0.2 versus 0.9 and I think it's in, I'm assuming, centimeters it's probably 0.2 centimeters, Probably millimeters, but it'd be 20 millimeters. I mean, the normal travel of a trigger is, depending on the gun. It's going to be somewhere between half a centimeter and a centimeter, but it's either way. You can watch the video. I know I've sent it to you because I was sending you a bunch of those videos.

Speaker 1: 18:49

Yes, you've been sending me SIG hate yes, yeah, sig hate Ben.

Speaker 2: 18:54

Do you recall what I told you before you bought your first SIG? As far as my experience with a SIG in the past, gene you and I weren't really talking before.

Speaker 1: 19:04

I bought my first SIG, but go ahead Okay do you remember when you bought your second SIG?

Speaker 2: 19:08

when we were talking about SIGs, because I know I told you about my experience with Sig and why I don't have any. No, I bought a Sig, I bought a 226, and it had the most misfires of any gun I ever owned, to the point where I brought it back to the store, where they don't take returns on guns. I mean virtually no store take returns on guns. I mean virtually no store takes returns on guns. Nope, they tell you to go deal with the manufacturer, use your warranty, and he was able to get dry firing it to see exactly what the problem was with the gun using snap caps, and he said, all right, I'll give you credit for what you paid. Pick up another gun, I'll deal with the manufacturer. Because this was, I think, the thought, was it was extremely uncharacteristic of a Swiss-made gun to be so crappy.

Speaker 1: 20:03

So let's be clear the P320s and so on are made here in the US, yeah, which is probably worse than made in Switzerland, made here in the U? S.

Speaker 2: 20:09

Yeah, which is probably worse than made in Switzerland, I would assume. Yeah, yeah, and the design is very different than the gun that I have.

Speaker 1: 20:17

I'm just saying as a brand uh, actually no, the the two 26 to 29 variants hammered, hammerless.

Speaker 2: 20:24

The 20 to 26 doesn't have a separate serialized. What do they call it? They right, the 26 doesn't have a separate, serialized.

Speaker 1: 20:31

What do they call it Right? But the slide design is virtually identical.

Speaker 2: 20:34

I have both yeah.

Speaker 1: 20:37

In fact, that's one of the criticisms of the P320. That said, I think there's a lot of things going on here. I think the weapons so the SIG P320, you have to think back when this design was done a few years back. It was one of the first to include a rail, a weapons light, their holster issues, because as soon as you put a weapons light on a pistol and you put it in a holster, there's a lot more room for shit to get in the trigger. There's a lot going on here. We cannot everyone who just sits there and says, oh, the SIG just goes off and does this. Okay, there may be some design issues, but we don't know. But we don't know that there have not been a statistical increase on this. Versus like when police departments moved from revolvers to semi autos, we had way more incidental shootings or negligent discharges when people went from revolver to semi auto.

Speaker 1: 21:46

So Well, but to be fair, my point is this could just be a design difference, right? So if the sear safety is lifted before you and the pre-trial take up and, for whatever reason, there's grit, there's grime, the gun's not clean that sear safety, when you let off, that trigger doesn't re-engage. Then you're jostling around. Yeah, I can see the gun going off. Is that a design flaw? Well, it's a design difference because the Well, it certainly is for certain applications.

Speaker 1: 22:19

You should have both safeties disengaging simultaneously, not one before the other. I don't like that. Am I going to get rid of my 320? No, I've got it configured in a pdw. There isn't a round of the chamber. I really like it and it's a great shooting gun. I'm not going to get rid of it. Am I going to appendix carry this gun? Yeah, exactly, never because it's too one. It's too fucking big two I'm never going to appendix carry any gun that is a I I gotta say that's the stupidest thing in the world.

Speaker 2: 22:51

It's uncomfortable. This was not a thing back when I was, you know, single and spending a lot more time with guns. It's. This is this whole appendix carry.

Speaker 1: 23:00

I think came out of video games yeah and anyway, a lot of people like it because you know there are arguments for it. I my junks in the way. I can't appendix carry comfortably. I can't sit in a vehicle and appendix carry. Yeah, I can, you know, like no.

Speaker 2: 23:22

But you don't have room for a 44 magnet on there.

Speaker 1: 23:24

Come on, man, with the gun on my hip at five o'clock, not a problem. Yeah, you know, and I can draw plenty fast from there. So I'm good with that.

Speaker 2: 23:35

That's what I am, and I've always been more of a proponent of frankly having open carry, because that is the safest and easiest. But if you can't do open carry and it has to be concealed, then you basically do it just like you would if if you had open carry but with a longer shirt. That's exactly. I don't tuck my shirt in very much these days because of that.

Speaker 1: 24:02

Yeah, regardless, sig is with the airmen, with the Air Force stopping carrying. Well, at least one command in the Air Force. They have to address this and address this fully or they're done. Like. The amount the discounts I see on all SIG firearms in the last few days is insane because they're not selling Right. Right, they have to address this. So if you want to buy a gun and you want to get a SIG cheap, that's the time to do it. Yeah, exactly Like. The 365 is my daily carry I I love that gun, it's fantastic.

Speaker 1: 24:46

365 XL is a fantastic gun which is based by the way off the SIG P320 design. It has the FCU, it is literally designed very similarly, with a few, quite frankly, improvements in my mind, and there are more 365s being daily carried.

Speaker 2: 25:08

What's the capacity of that one?

Speaker 1: 25:10

With the magazines I have in it 19 plus 1. How about normal magazines?

Speaker 2: 25:14

17 plus 1. That's still really good 17.

Speaker 1: 25:17

Yeah, I mean it's a thin, nice gun. It's got a very good capacity. What's the length of the barrel? 4.7.

Speaker 2: 25:28

Oh, is that long? I didn't realize it was that long. I thought it was like 3-something.

Speaker 1: 25:31

No, I've got the XL. Okay, so I have the longer barrel. It's thin, though, which is what matters for carry to me, yeah, so, yeah, it's almost a full-size handgun, but does not feel like it. That's why I like it for my carry gun so much, but does not feel like it. That's why I like it for my carry gun so much. And, yeah, the .365XL is fantastic as far as I'm

Speaker 1: 25:58

concerned. Again, I have not been able to replicate these issues with my two in-question SIGs. And again, the .365 is a very popular carry handgun carried by, based off the very same design, just shrunk down a little bit and made narrower, but you don't see the negligent discharges in that gun. So again, I question okay, is this, quite frankly, police officers treating their guns the way we know they do? Is that, you know? Is there something in the design that, through the because it's mainly cops that we see having these negligent discharges? By the way, we don't see a whole bunch of this on the civilian side. And so, okay, cops treat their guns like shit. They're stupid with their guns in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2: 26:50

Well, they treat them the same way they treat the baton or the pepper spray. It's just a thing on your belt. You never actually use it.

Speaker 1: 26:57

Right. So is there something that they are doing that, in combination with the design is a problem?

Speaker 2: 27:05

Yeah, yeah, and clearly something is. We just may not know what that is, but something is because we've had a number. Yeah, yeah, and it clearly something is. We just may not know what that is, but something is because we've had a number of videos.

Speaker 1: 27:13

Well, if the seer safety is disengaged by any trigger travel and then you're only relying on the seer. At that point, yep. And then you move around and wiggle and whatever. Then sure, like I, like I can see there being nothing mechanically wrong with the gun. And then you move around and wiggle and whatever. Then sure, like I, can see there being nothing mechanically wrong with the gun, it being dirty and being in that position where the sear safety has been disengaged because someone fucked with the trigger a little bit and then moved around enough that it went off.

Speaker 2: 27:45

I can see that with this design right now. You know, certainly some of the holsters utilize the trigger guard for retention. And if you don't put your gun all the way in or you stick it in crooked or something you know you could have an issue with the trigger.

Speaker 1: 27:59

Exactly so. Regardless, even if it's just hey, there's nothing mechanically wrong with the gun, it's functioning as intended and if there's any trigger movement, the sear safety can be disengaged, and if there's dirt grime, whatever, it may not re-engage when let off. This could be a problem. Sig just needs to acknowledge that and say look, this is the design of the gun. Do with that information.

Speaker 2: 28:30

The problem, I think, and the reason that they haven't done that is, then their full army contract is at risk. Yeah, but okay, which is $558 million or something like that it's a lot more than the value of one person's life, which is, I'm sure, the calculation they've done. The US got sued by Glock after they chose the SIG because they did not follow the process that was originally laid out for selection of the firearm process that was originally laid out for selection of the firearm.

Speaker 2: 29:13

One of the things Glock argued was that their guns stay perfectly safe and reliable through 30,000 plus rounds of use. And I have to. You know I'm not any longer a Glock guy. I only have one Glock left left, but that glock has over 50 000 rounds right. So I I will say that glocks are probably some of the most reliable guns out there that I've experienced personally, even though I'm mostly an xd guy at this point. But it's, it's a. It certainly could open the door back for further re-examinations or more lawsuits from the failing competitors saying, hey, the only reason you didn't pick us is because you didn't finish a full test that should have indicated that these guns are inferior. And now you're placing american lives in danger. And how do you like that Congress?

Speaker 1: 30:09

Yeah, and really the company that should be really pissed off is Beretta, because Beretta offered an updated version of the 92. Right which SIG should have won the original contract with the P2226, right Over Beretta.

Speaker 2: 30:28

Definitely Beretta's, a much prettier gun.

Speaker 1: 30:31

No, they're very similar and the SIG was proven more reliable in the testing, so yeah, yeah, the Beretta is a prettier gun. Okay, regardless, the point is, sig has some work to do. They've got to figure out something. It's not going to work out for them if they just keep ignoring us.

Speaker 2: 30:56

Yeah, yeah, it's a stricter effect at this point.

Speaker 1: 31:00

Yes, to a large, large extent Agreed.

Speaker 2: 31:03

Yeah, and I'm seeing this in a number of different things going on right now, some of which are very microcosmic and most people wouldn't give a shit about, but it is happening, like the the Ethan Klein lawsuits of YouTubers that have played his videos in full, effectively stealing views from him. Finally, somebody is actually starting to go after people like that with lawsuits. You know the reaction streamers that don't actually react. Finally, somebody's actually starting to go after people like that with lawsuits. You know the reaction streamers that don't actually react. They just basically steal views and and a lot of it is just people putting their heads in the sand and saying, well, what's the big deal?

Speaker 2: 31:42

And I think when, when you get caught, you gotta not just think, is it the right thing to admit fault, but you have to think also okay, what is the potential consequence of keeping or continuing to say no over and over versus what's the the consequence and cost of saying, oops, my bad. And I think a lot of people don't make that. You know, like they don't consider those choices, they just say, look, it's whatever happened. It's just not a big deal, it's getting blown out of proportion, it's really nothing and people should stop talking about it. Are they still talking about this guy? I can't believe it. It's's been years, let's just move on.

Speaker 1: 32:30

Yeah Well, regardless, I think we're in agreement that SIG needs to address this and we we need to see some sort of resolution.

Speaker 2: 32:42

Yep, yeah, I think they're going to have to, no matter what, because either that or the, the solution is going to be that the US just cancels its contracts with SIG across the board because politics got into it and politicians love nothing more than to latch on to popular railing causes. And if they can stand in Congress and say, the lives of American servicemen cannot be also endangered by faulty equipment and it was a mistake for the army to give this contract. So we are defunding the entirety of that contract and the army is going to need to come back to us and say how they're going to resolve this, like that could literally happen as soon as they're back from recess.

Speaker 1: 33:31

Mm-hmm so I think if I was sig, I would definitely be coming up with a remediation plan right now, not trying to just even an answer, even if it's just hey, you can't let the gun get dirty, because this can happen like that, that is, I think, a sufficient enough answer for the military yeah, yeah, and I do think some people are probably going to either lose their rank or some other consequences that were responsible for pushing forward with the selection process without concluding the test process the way that they indicated it was supposed to have gone.

Speaker 2: 34:17

Uh, yeah, we'll see yeah, I just I think that's one thing about the trump administration is that there is definitely a much more willingness to put fault on people, and not so much of the you know. Let's just move on and cover up about you think. Well, I'm not talking about trump himself, I'm talking about his administration. I, I think so. I think we've seen so many people fired over the last nine months that never thought they would lose their government job. That, yeah, that's what I'm referring to, not, you know the rhetoric coming out of Trump's mouth. Do you want to talk about other things with the SIG, or we beat that horse to death.

Speaker 1: 35:06

I think we beat the horse to death.

Speaker 2: 35:08

All right and I will say that if you just look at the history of SIG firearms, they have made great guns and I've always acknowledged that. My dislike of sig is anecdotal. It's based on my personal experience with one of their firearms unfortunately, it was the first one that I bought and it was a very negative experience enough so that I just chose never to buy another sig again yeah, I just have had nothing but the opposite.

Speaker 1: 35:40

Interaction with sig, like all of my sigs, have been absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 2: 35:46

Yeah, and yeah, yeah, which you know, I get it, but my, my interactions with glock and in firearms training was essentially that the glock is the ak-47 of firearms, exactly for almost yes, exactly yeah, the best guns, congratulations no, uh, for most guns, certainly all the 1911s.

Speaker 2: 36:17

If you drop a round or you around you know hits the ground during a training exercise, like you're simulating a malfunction drill, uh-huh, you don't pick that round up and put it back in the gun. If you're cheap, you pick that round up and you put it in a separate box to be cleaned later and then reused with glocks. You don't even think about it. You pick it up right off dirt, right off the ground. You put it right a separate box to be cleaned later and then reused With Glocks. You don't even think about it. You pick it up right off the dirt, right off the ground. You put it right in the magazine and it always works. The guns are just insanely reliable, okay.

Speaker 1: 36:54

I just can't stand the way a Glock feels man.

Speaker 2: 36:57

I agree, I agree, and I was saying that while I was talking about how reliable they are and while I was, you know I was a fireman instructor from when I did it 2001 till 2000,. Probably 10, about nine years, and not as a main job, obviously, but as what I did on the weekends, and you know I was out in training camps and getting my skill set built up the entire time I was doing it as well. It was a great excuse to basically make all my guns be tax deductible. But the the reliability factor, and especially of the older generation glocks, which is I don't know, honestly, I I haven't, I haven't really dug into it and why they did it, but the old octagonal base barrels, I think, were better than the current generation barrels that they give you, which are more of the traditional groove style barrels, because the octagonal barrels you literally could just put dirt in there and still shoot. I mean, they were amazing.

Speaker 1: 38:01

Okay, they still feel like shit.

Speaker 2: 38:04

They do, which is why I shoot XD.

Speaker 1: 38:06

I don't like the little dingus Like. That's. One of the things I like about the Sig is it doesn't have the dingus right. It doesn't have the little trigger block, which is part of the argument that people are saying well, that's part of the issue.

Speaker 1: 38:26

The little thing in the middle. Yeah, well, you know, it's like you know yeah and maybe no, and who knows, but you know, yes. Sig acknowledged in 2017 that the trigger weight was enough that, if dropped at the right angle, would the inertia would carry it and pull the trigger. That was a thing Cool.

Speaker 2: 38:38

And I suspect, seeing what we know now, it probably wasn't even a full pull, it was probably just pull the trigger. You know, 0.2. Agreed. The shaking of the slide from the drop caused it to actually fire, so it's not like it had enough weight to really truly pull the trigger all the way back.

Speaker 1: 38:57

Agreed.

Speaker 2: 38:58

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 39:00

But you know, it's going to be very interesting to see what comes out of this. Yeah, I am hopeful that we are going to see some changes and you know, I don't know if it's going to be something where we can even realistically do a recall. Yeah, but you know we're going to see and like it has to change, like they cannot just continue to ignore this.

Speaker 2: 39:29

Yeah, I think it's gotten critical mass on videos for sure, Because it seems like every gun-tube Brandon.

Speaker 1: 39:35

Herrera did a gun meme review solely about the P320.

Speaker 2: 39:39

Yeah, Yep, Brandon is very unhappy with what Sig's done and like, and I and I agree. There's two issues right. One is the design, potentially, and the fix that needs to happen. The second issue is the handling of this by the company. Yeah, Just the totally ignoring it. Well, beyond ignoring it, Well beyond ignoring it, denying it. All their language, all their you know official statements all have a lack of admitting fault. Uh-huh, you know, it's always like some people may have accidentally discharged their firearms. Okay, yes, some people did do that with a firearm that discharges accidentally. So hopefully that's the part that they figured out is that you can't keep blaming the users for what looks more and more, at least, like a design flaw Agreed. And you think about military use. I don't think we really have had any major conflicts where these guns have been used since they won the contract. So, you know, do we know what happens when they get dirt and grime and shit on them on the battlefield and or sand blowing with micro particles in a desert?

Speaker 1: 41:05

We do not.

Speaker 2: 41:06

Maybe we ought to ship a whole bunch of six to Ukraine and do a little test.

Speaker 1: 41:09

But Beretta. So part of the reason, so part of the reason why Beretta lost the contract and didn't get it, was because that fully open slide, that 180 slide, which in normal conditions is fantastically reliable.

Speaker 2: 41:35

Yeah, and it prevents snow.

Speaker 1: 41:36

Fives yes, but because of the iraq war and the afghani war, we found that, oh my god, it lets a lot of dirt and grime in and causes issues.

Speaker 2: 41:48

Yeah, so there's that too and there's two ways to deal with that. One is to prevent dirt and grime from getting in. The other one is to have a gun that's designed the way that can shoot with dirt and grime, because the ak still work. You just want to go.

Speaker 1: 42:01

You're just a glock fan boy who wants glock to win. Glockety, glock, glock, glock, I'm okay with beretta winning too well the quite frankly they should have like if you look at the redesign of the 92 that they offered up.

Speaker 2: 42:14

They addressed all the issues they.

Speaker 1: 42:17

they really should have just the. The Army already had holsters, everything else. They could have just literally taken that and said, okay, cool, got it. I think they wanted a new Twitter to play with. They did, and that's fine. I like my P320.

Speaker 2: 42:30

I'm not getting rid of it.

Speaker 1: 42:32

Especially in the PDW configuration. I have it in. Yeah, I mean, you're not likely to have it anywhere near your belt at that point. Oh god, no, and you?

Speaker 2: 42:47

know I'm I'm not keeping around in the chamber, it's got I. I literally have a charging handle on my p320. Okay, can we talk about the pdws? There's a recent video from pinhead that you I'm sure have watched as well, because you, every time I send you one of his videos, like seen it.

Speaker 2: 42:57

So I don't bother sending you too many of them, but Grand Thumb is what I'm referring to. My nickname for him is Pinhead and it's not as true anymore as it used to be when he was clean cut and wearing all the you know, the vests and the plate carriers and everything. If you look at the guy, it looked like his head was about a size too small for his body, like he's got broad shoulders, long arms and the very average looking head. So it just that's why I called him pinhead. But once he grew a beard out and got longer hair, his head now is totally proportional, so it doesn't even apply technically, but anyway. So he had a video out recently about the new, the new forced reset trigger for the mp5 and I I I was drooling watches this video. I have to say it's a guy from my childhood and who doesn't want a fully uh, you know more or less real mp5 and the fact that the force reset trigger actually shoots faster than the.

Speaker 2: 44:06

I mean that is insane. Yeah, yeah, the mp5, the m version, or is the k version for klein? They, they. The rate of fire is about 12% faster than it is in full auto on that gun with its full auto pack in there trigger pack. So it is, I thought. I mean, to me it sounded just like a Vector. It's like, and you're done, vector is another gun I would love to have, obviously, and you know, wait.

Speaker 1: 44:41

In 45.

Speaker 2: 44:42

Oh, yes, yes, I would get that in 45, but I would probably get one in nine as well. I mean, you got to have them all but the Vector with a suppressor on it. That's a whole different level of shooting. Having something that is made to be shot through a suppressor in the recoil and balance, exactly so that there is no vertical rise whatsoever on the gun, I mean it's like jesus, that is perfect. I've always liked high-tech guns and the, the vector, falls in that category. The mp5 is not very high tech, but it is. I've shot that gun plenty of times, semi-auto. I've never shot it full. I don't.

Speaker 1: 45:21

I've never shot an mp5, but at all okay, nope, nope. But you know the, the one I'm really wanting a force reset trigger for and they're never going to do it because the way the trigger works. But I really, really want a p90 with a force reset. Oh god, yeah, that would be that would.

Speaker 2: 45:45

that would probably drive the price of used p90s up by a thousand percent, because if you could get a force reset trigger for that, you basically have the gun that was as designed and, yeah, everybody would want one of those then, because in semi-auto mode you lose 90% of the advantage of that gun.

Speaker 1: 46:06

Yeah. And again 5.7 round and everything else.

Speaker 2: 46:11

Yeah, this is why the magazine is so different and it sits on top of the gun 50 round, horizontally mounted mag.

Speaker 2: 46:21

It's to mitigate the rise in the barrel when you're shooting full auto with 50 rounds. That's why it's on top there. That's why it's the placement the way it is, instead of just being a banana. So it's an awesome gun. It's a very cool design. Another gun that I've also shot plenty of times in video games, let me think I did once. One time I shot the PS90, and it was not at all impressive and because it's basically a .22 round, the recoil isn't very much at all when you're shooting just one round of it, like it's completely unnoticeable. But it's not a particularly light gun, certainly not with a full magazine. No.

Speaker 2: 47:07

All right, gene no I agree, I think we need more full-auto guns Full semi-auto sorry, I meant full semi-auto guns and fully semi-auto Fully semi-automatic yes, it's the the best designation of guns, for sure. Anything else gun related.

Speaker 1: 47:29

I'm trying to think if there had been any other well, there we had a democrat try and raise the tax on NFA items.

Speaker 2: 47:39

Oh yeah, Well, we talked about that last week, didn't we? I don't think so Really. I thought we did.

Speaker 1: 47:46

Okay, yeah, regardless whether we did or we didn't, we also have some major challenges to the NFA. That's going pretty well. We've got lots of good news on the gun side, so there's that too, yeah.

Speaker 2: 48:01

Well, I don't know if I got anything else. Ben, All right.

Speaker 1: 48:04

Well later Gene.

Speaker 2: 48:06

All right, man, we'll get you all next week. Oh, and you're, you're you're surely joking.

Speaker 1: 48:11

We're like an hour or something. I'm having a little fun with you here, okay, I'm having a little fun with you here, okay, oh no, so one of the things we need to do.

Speaker 2: 48:20

What else is there to talk about other than guns man? I'm like perfect.

Speaker 1: 48:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do need to pause here in a second, but we need to talk about the Pelosi Act and her reaction to that.

Speaker 2: 48:35

I don't know anything about that. Oh good, we need to talk about Trump?

Speaker 1: 48:37

know anything about that? Oh good, we need to talk about trump moving subs off of russia's coast. We've got a lot of stuff to talk about all right so where do you want to go? I tell me about pelosi. So the pelosi act, which is literally named pelosi act, which I love, is about in the next two years, preventing Congress, the president and any federally elected official from trading at all, and the fact that Josh Hawley, who's the one who submitted it, named it after Pelosi had her apoplectic. It was hilarious.

Speaker 2: 49:18

That is funny, but didn't Trump just recently rage Halsey for some reason?

Speaker 1: 49:25

Yes, because of this. But then Halsey and him had a conversation. He realized, oh, it's not going to affect me, it's going to affect Vance, and he went okay, whatever.

Speaker 2: 49:34

Okay.

Speaker 1: 49:35

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:35

Yeah Well, I have to admit I'm a little mixed on this topic. Why? Because I actually use the service that monitors Nancy Pelosi's trade.

Speaker 1: 49:45

Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Okay.

Speaker 2: 49:49

So I'm like, okay, okay, it's called Autopilot, if you guys want to check it out, and it essentially will just let you pick which politician you want to emulate in your stock trades well, you know, hey, that's which is amazing that more people don't just simply do that, because politicians never seem to lose money correct yeah, I mean, nancy pelosi is damn good luck, I I think yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:20

Pretty up there. So it's what do you think the odds are Given that most politicians become millionaires or stay millionaires this way? I think this is one of those bills that's never going to go anywhere.

Speaker 1: 50:33

Oh, it's not going to pass.

Speaker 2: 50:35

Yeah, yep, it's just. But I think Hawley tends to do shit like that quite a bit. I actually think that, much like Newsome, he is also one of these guys that's going to toss his ring, toss his head, toss his hat. God damn it.

Speaker 1: 50:52

I can't say words I mean, he's not going to get anywhere with that, though Not if the answer's running.

Speaker 2: 50:58

No, no, no. But he needs to run next time knowing he's not going to get win right, because the time after that.

Speaker 1: 51:07

I mean, he could be VP.

Speaker 2: 51:09

I don't even think he wants to do that, but maybe I don't know. But I do think that he does a lot of stuff for the camera and this is where I kind of compare him to newsome and he comes off good on camera like he's not a politician that looks like a moron. On camera he he actually looks like he's on the right side and the you know, very intelligible, so I don't know.

Speaker 1: 51:40

Well, we'll see, I guess, what else been well, gene, there's subs off the coast of russia that we need to talk about, because you know saying nuke subs off of russia, well, all our subs are nukes. So what do you mean by that? All right armed or propulsion right we don't know.

Speaker 2: 52:02

I I thought that as well. Like that wasn't explicitly clear, but I think I know what he means I.

Speaker 1: 52:11

I think the point is hey, russia ceasefire please now, yeah, yeah, and it's really in response to mediev, mediev you know, whatever what you said, saying that, hey, we're gonna nuke you, oh really. Well, yeah, did you see what we did to iran? Like hello?

Speaker 2: 52:35

read the room here russia yeah, I could also say read the room us. But yeah, it it's uh. Medidev's job, I think, is to basically be a troll, graham no, it's literally lindsey graham, like they tell.

Speaker 2: 52:51

Okay, we have this guy in the us named lindsey graham, who's the biggest war hawk, never served in the military, loves war. Anytime he comes out with something, it's your job to double down. So I think that's the character that Medvedev is playing. He's the heel, well, I mean, he's the one that's making Putin look reasonable, right, okay, he's the one that's going to push to the very extreme to make the actual president look more reasonable in comparison and, incidentally, when Medvedev was the president of Russia, he was not at all extreme okay, he was so my point is I think this is very much a role for him to play is to.

Speaker 2: 53:50

I think it accomplishes a whole bunch of things. First of all, there are absolutely people in russia that hold the positions that medvedev says, just like there are people in the us that 100 agree with lindsey graham. There there are war-ish contingencies on both sides that think that the cold war never really had a fair ending and it should have been a hot war ending. Oh, the dude who would want that? There are, are you kidding? I've talked to people like that.

Speaker 2: 54:23

I think that it's like we should have just finished off the ruskies back when we had the chance to, instead of playing, you know, patty cake with them yeah, problem russia.

Speaker 1: 54:34

Would rather see no world than a world without Russia.

Speaker 2: 54:37

I think most countries would.

Speaker 1: 54:40

I mean.

Speaker 2: 54:41

this is also the bit with Israel that I think some of the Arab countries don't understand either. If there's no Israel, there's no Middle East, it's just one gigantic nuclear pit oh bullshit. What you don't think that would happen? Nope, really. You don't think that Israel happen? Nope, really. You don't think that israel would launch a nuke no, I don't think they would if there is a, a mass.

Speaker 2: 55:09

I mean I'm not talking about iranian missiles that miss their targets, I'm talking an actual major loss of life in Israel. Like, let's say I don't know, but let's say, for the sake of argument, that Iran actually put together an army and drove tanks and everything else through Iraq and successfully managed to take over part of Israel. You don't think Israel would use the US?

Speaker 1: 55:45

One do they have them.

Speaker 2: 55:46

Why the hell would they steal them from the US if they weren't going to use them? What do you mean? Well, I mean it's common knowledge that Israeli intelligence stole the plans for nuclear weapons sure, but do they actually have them?

Speaker 1: 56:02

it's presumed that they have around like five or something and you know just not the middle east yeah, who knows if they actually do like they've never conducted a test. Yeah, you know, I, I just we, we don't have, we don't have, we don't have evidence that they have a nuke.

Speaker 2: 56:24

But even if they do, yeah, they're certainly not part of any arms treaties which would be problematic so I, I, I don't know, man I think I think there's been way too many opportunities for israel to get nukes and, in terms of the, the technology and the science involved in building them, I think that's a no-brainer as well, the, the number of high-tech both companies that are in Israel and the number of people that they hire don't have to be Israelis either. It's like there's tons of Americans working for Israeli companies. Yeah and okay, there's tons of Americans. And after the fall of the Soviet, Union.

Speaker 1: 57:17

I worked for an Israeli company for a while there you go.

Speaker 2: 57:20

And after the fall of the Soviet Union, tons of Russian Jews went to Israel, including people that worked on nuclear technology. So I think it's a fairly safe assumption to say that Israel has nukes Now. Obviously, as you say, they've never done a test, so we've not seen a demonstration. I think it'd be pretty hard for them to do a test anywhere near Israel, because the size of the country is literally the size of Manhattan or Long Island. I think Long Island more so than that. It's not as small as Manhattan, but it is as small as Long Island. So they would have to get some other country to be willing to do an above ground test, or maybe a below ground test, but somewhere remote or they could, you know, go to the ocean I guess.

Speaker 2: 58:38

I mean, I don't know, is that? Does that provide sufficient data for much of anything?

Speaker 1: 58:43

I mean, there's no data needed at this point. We all know the how this works. It's it's just a demonstration of hey, motherfuckers, we've got this.

Speaker 2: 58:54

That's all the test really is. Has both India and Pakistan done the test? Yes, they have. Okay, they have.

Speaker 1: 59:01

Pakistan and India have detonated fire nuclear arms.

Speaker 2: 59:06

Okay, yeah, 1998 looks like India did the. Yeah, interesting, oh, the first one was done in 74. Holy shit, okay, code named smiling buddha. Yeah, I, I don't know, but I think I certainly would hope that America also has a. Without America, there's no point in having a planet policy, because I think it's idiotic not to have a policy like that. If your country is at the risk of being completely obliterated, what's the point?

Speaker 1: 59:57

Well, I think there's a few things there, but a survival of the race is something you know we should consider there.

Speaker 2: 1:00:10

Well, yeah, I mean you could put it into a race context, but I think you also have to put it into a context of sorry species, let me rephrase oh species. Well, that's the thing right.

Speaker 1: 1:00:20

You're understanding what I meant by race in that context.

Speaker 2: 1:00:23

Yeah, you meant black people, I know, yeah, if I think it's a, it's a reasonable thing that I would expect from most countries Like I guarantee you that if you talk to the French they would say the exact same thing Without France there is no world. Like if France ceases to exist, then fuck the rest of the world, it doesn't need to exist either, okay, you don't think that's reasonable.

Speaker 1: 1:01:02

No, I don't. I don't think that the world needs to stop if any given country is wiped off the map. Like, yes, I think it's reasonable for Ukraine, France, Russia, China, whoever, to have that philosophy in a way, but at the same time, no, your nationality is not that important to the rest of us. Like, there is that aspect as well. Now, am I a proponent of the US should defend itself at all costs and yada, yada, yada, Abso-fucking-lutely. A proponent of the US should defend itself at all costs and yada, yada, yada, absolutely. But am I willing? For if the rest of the world is against us and we're losing? We want to absolutely nuke the rest of the world and do X, Y, Z.

Speaker 1: 1:01:45

No, I don't think that's reasonable.

Speaker 2: 1:01:48

Yeah well, and the US is the only country at this point that's ever used nuclear weapons, practically yes, we are the only ones to have actually used them in war yeah hiroshima and nagasaki yeah, and you know, I think the the the thing that typically you're taught in school is that well, the decision was made that it would save many more lives than it would take to use these weapons which is not a historically inaccurate conclusion, because there've been tons of documentaries done that interviewed the people that were alive back then and making those decisions, and it had nothing to do with saving lives.

Speaker 2: 1:02:27

It had to do with demonstrating that america had gotten nuclear weapons both ahead of nazis, ahead of russia and ahead of japan, and that the russia had to steal from us well, russia would not have had the bomb if it wouldn't have been for spies yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:02:46

Well, russia well, it's hard to say. I think they would have eventually, but not anywhere near as fast as it yet for sure, because the people that actually were working on this were all Germans and they were very afraid of what happened to them if they end up in Russia for good reason, and so all of them did whatever they could to end up being captured by America and you know Operation Paperclip. And so, yeah, got we got.

Speaker 1: 1:03:14

You mean nasa nazis what?

Speaker 2: 1:03:16

yeah, that's the nazis. It wasn't just nasa, the, the and I. I know how much people like to point out that you know the, the secret government of the world's all run by jews. Well, the, the nuclear bombs, were also created by jews come on now oppenheimer yeah not jewish oppenheimer wasn't jewish. Oppenheimer didn't sit in a laboratory by himself. Every other member of his team was jewish.

Speaker 1: 1:03:47

No, pretty much okay, the the only one you really have there that really was required for the atomic bomb is Einstein. I mean, you don't have Curie, you don't have like. There's so much there, dude.

Speaker 2: 1:04:04

Well, the point is, Germany was developing nuclear weapons.

Speaker 1: 1:04:08

Yes. And they would have gotten there. And would have gotten there, yeah, absolutely, and they would have gotten there and would have gotten there.

Speaker 2: 1:04:13

Yeah, absolutely 100% would have gotten there. So the fact that the U? S was able to beat everybody else, the development and the successful demonstration of use of nuclear weapons was the biggest reason we actually dropped the bombs on Japan. And it wasn't to prevent some kind of you know, mass casualty event if we didn't drop the bomb. But also having said that, I think it was absolutely the right thing to do. I've always been a proponent that you know.

Speaker 1: 1:04:44

You have to utilize the weapons you have, otherwise they're not serving their purpose sure, but you know, if you were living in hiroshima or nagasaki, I don't think you would agree with that well, if you were living in the hiroshima or nagasaki, I mean that's, you're living in a country that's involved in a world war.

Speaker 2: 1:05:13

What do you expect to happen?

Speaker 1: 1:05:14

Well, you have to remember the attitude of the Japanese at the time. Like they were so fanatical, like we had Japanese up until the 70s still fighting because they didn't believe that Japan would surrender.

Speaker 2: 1:05:28

Yeah, and there's another example of a country.

Speaker 1: 1:05:31

So there is an argument to be made. I mean, they were the religion and poll, they were the true, they were a true theocracy at the time you have to remember that right.

Speaker 2: 1:05:42

The worship of the emperor and everything else like this is not well, but again, this is another example of a country that I think uh, would have the opinion maybe more so back then than now, but even now I think it's going to be the case. If people were polled, I think a huge majority would say that if Japan was completely obliterated, then the rest of the world doesn't need to exist.

Speaker 1: 1:06:08

Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:06:09

So I'm saying it's not an uncommon thing for countries that have a strong patriotic kind of you know feelings to think that if you literally are at the point where you're going to destroy my country, I'm gonna I'm gonna be holding a grenade.

Speaker 1: 1:06:27

I'm gonna take you out with me, okay? Did you watch the nick fritas episode recently about the housing market?

Speaker 2: 1:06:34

I don't think I watched that one.

Speaker 1: 1:06:36

Oh man, you really should. So they look at the housing market and the housing market is actually A historically inexpensive, even considering interest rates and everything else. But the interesting thing is, when you look at the housing market priced in gold and silver, it is fucking right where it should be, which is terrifying so, basically, if you ignore the us dollar, and you just did pricing pricing of houses versus gold.

Speaker 2: 1:07:16

So amazing land, gold, and silver appropriately priced.

Speaker 1: 1:07:20

What a shocker yep it, it's pretty like you need to go watch it. We can't really talk about it more other than that.

Speaker 2: 1:07:29

Well, I mean, it sounds like I would just be sitting there nodding in agreement, because that seems very obvious that and I've said this for a long time that we, if we constantly are comparing prices and costs to the fiat currencies, what we're doing is ignoring the value of that currency versus the resources the value is based on. You have to compare all prices, all costs, to the actual cost of resources. And land is a finite resource. So it's a good one for measuring gold, for the exact same reason, it's a finite resource. Yes, there's still people finding gold, but you know it's in in small quantities yeah, it's hilarious.

Speaker 1: 1:08:15

By the way, I didn't know you were posting your gaming setup on twitter that's.

Speaker 2: 1:08:23

That's hilarious dude. So ben just sent me a picture of a somebody's computer with a horse dildo sitting on the chair. That's crazy.

Speaker 1: 1:08:36

It says Rainbow Six Siege Gaming Setup. It made me think of Gene.

Speaker 2: 1:08:42

I'm sure it did yes.

Speaker 1: 1:08:43

Yes, it's.

Speaker 2: 1:08:46

I don't know, Rainbow Six, I think, is a very small dedicated player base of people that still play that stuff. I've never gotten into it.

Speaker 1: 1:08:55

I've never played it, but I just thought it was hilarious.

Speaker 2: 1:08:58

The giant dildo sitting on the chair.

Speaker 1: 1:09:00

Yeah, it's definitely a bad dragon, you know fantasy thing yeah the more interesting thing for me.

Speaker 2: 1:09:06

I mean, obviously it was set up as a gag. It's pretty obvious, because there's no mounting of the dildo, it's just kind of sitting on the chair.

Speaker 1: 1:09:19

But the question is why does this person own a horse dildo? I, so the number of women who have these fantasy toys like this is not uncommon anymore, dude.

Speaker 2: 1:09:31

Really, yeah, yeah, that just seems. That seems like it'd be a small group of people, but I don't know. No, it is not. It used to be like vibrators weren't even that common, but I think these days Every. Yeah every chick's got tons of them.

Speaker 1: 1:09:52

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:09:55

I was watching some comedian chick talking about how she was shopping for a new vibrator and the best recommended one, the one with the highest ratings on Amazon. So she ends up ordering it and it it shows up and it's, it plugs in the wall and she was like whoa, this thing runs in 120, like holy shit. And I think it was the hatachi the, not the original magic one, but I think one of the other iterations of it that that she ended up ordering because that one's always higher rated but it's it's like you know all.

Speaker 2: 1:10:37

It's not hard to make a freaking vibrator. All it is is an offset weight on a motor. It's like except here you've got 120 volts running that motor, so it's going to have more movement than something running on a battery pack, but it's a simple design. I think the biggest difference between them is going to be just what they look like, not so much what the innards actually function as, although they've got those remote control ones too now, don't they?

Speaker 1: 1:11:15

Dude, they have Bluetooth controlled ones.

Speaker 2: 1:11:17

Right, that's what I mean. Like you use your phone, or the chicks will.

Speaker 1: 1:11:21

Which there was a lawsuit based off of the data loss on.

Speaker 2: 1:11:25

Oh really, yeah, there was a class action.

Speaker 1: 1:11:29

Yeah, that's hilarious.

Speaker 2: 1:11:30

Yeah, I think the cam girls use those things and let the patrons control them. There was a class action. Yeah, that's hilarious.

Speaker 1: 1:11:38

Yeah, I think the cam girls use those things and let the patrons control them. Allegedly Good for them. Yeah, you're on the OnlyFans and all that. I am not.

Speaker 2: 1:11:46

I'm on OnlyFans for the cooking shows. I told you this.

Speaker 1: 1:11:49

Uh-huh, allegedly.

Speaker 2: 1:11:51

Allegedly I am cheap. Am cheap, dude. I don't spend money on shit like that porn is one of those things.

Speaker 1: 1:11:57

I don't know why anyone would.

Speaker 2: 1:11:59

I know it's it never does never require spending money. Yeah, I don't spend money on basically just you know hot or cute-looking girls on Twitch that have most of their clothes on playing video games. Like what are you doing? Why are you spending money on that? That's insane. It feels like well, I mean, we know what the average sort of response to people like that is like these are all just incel guys that just aren't getting any and therefore they're willing to just send money to random chicks that look hot on the internet. And there probably is, on the surface level, some truth to that. But ultimately I think it it opens up a more not really not really hidden, but a more subtle, I would say thing, which is that most men really aren't just looking for sex. They're looking for somebody that they can help, somebody that they can there's.

Speaker 2: 1:13:16

Do something, captain, save a hoe yeah, exactly and going on and and there's like there's a whole industry that is built sexy but not sex, but using sexy kind of communication and clothing to trade that for oodles of money.

Speaker 2: 1:13:40

One of the I think, well-known by most people at this point anyway streamers on Twitch and only fans is Amaranth Amaranth, who lives in houston, by the way. Yep, she, she had started by being on twitch and then, when somebody made a donation and she was, she was one of the people that really popularized I don't know if invented, but she popularized the hot tub stream, which is an excuse basically to be in a swimsuit, because Twitch essentially said look, this is not a sex website, so you can't just be more and more revealing in your clothes while you're, you know, playing video games or doing something. But it excluded areas where those types of clothes were totally normal, like you could do a stream from the beach or you could do a stream from the hot tub, where you wouldn't be expected to be wearing a lot more which, by the way, until we brought it up on this, until you brought it up on this podcast, and and she got assaulted and things like that, I had no idea who she was.

Speaker 2: 1:14:58

Oh really, yeah, yeah well, and you know she's reasonably good looking. I think she's very attractive very good body, but she's got a cute face too yeah, and redhead, yeah, come on.

Speaker 1: 1:15:09

Yeah, you and I are both suckers.

Speaker 2: 1:15:11

Yeah, and white skin? Yeah, totally. But you know she is. She made millions. There was a point I don't know what she's making right now, but there was a point where she's literally getting like hundreds of thousands of dollars every week on Twitch and when she started doing OnlyFans, that turned into millions. And I think that the video where she talks about their home robbery, that was done by colin noir, another gun tuber which I can't stand him really I don't mind him. He's been around forever. He's an old school gun tuber.

Speaker 2: 1:15:49

He's an idiot in a lot of ways okay, but either way, like the reason that I think the robbers wanted to rob her was because she talked on her stream about having I can't remember how many like 10 bitcoin, or maybe it was 100 Bitcoin, but it's some high number of Bitcoin that she had that were increasing in value, and I think the word on the street with the thugs is like Bitcoin's really easy because there's no like, it's not a. All you got to do is get their number and then you get that money. I think there's some misconception about bitcoin because people don't realize it's also totally traceable. It is a trackable means of exchange?

Speaker 1: 1:16:40

yeah, it has 10 bitcoin, that's. You know, with current prices, what?

Speaker 2: 1:16:45

1.1, 2 million, yeah, but I think it was more than 10. I think it may have been, like you know, 25 or maybe even more than that, but whatever it was, it was a multimillion dollar thing. They thought they would just rush in, wave some guns around, get her to divulge, and instead what happened? Is there, she's, you know, got cameras literally everywhere around the property. So the whole thing was filmed.

Speaker 2: 1:17:11

And they did break into the house. They did break into her bedroom, where she was either sleeping or getting ready to sleep. They did, did they also, I guess, beat her up a little bit and then she said all right, well, you know, I don't have them in this room, I can walk you to where they are, where the numbers are stored. And then she managed to bring them to the part of the house where her husband was I don't know if he was playing video games, but doing something else, not sleeping in bed with her, which is most guys would go what the fuck was he doing? But basically brought him to that area where he then took out a gun and started shooting these guys, hitting one of them, at least one of them, but you know, after the fact, colin noir kind of got a tour of their whole house and walk around and everything and her, her husband, definitely has a little bit of that whole pimp kind of thing going on yeah I mean like you could.

Speaker 2: 1:18:10

When you see him and you hear him talk, it's like, oh, I know this character from movies. Yeah, this is a guy who tells you he loves you and now you need to take clothes off in front of a camera and tell other men how much you're interested in them yeah, so anything else on that topic? No, no, I don't know. You were the one that sent me photos with dildos on them. Dude, I don't know why you keep doing that.

Speaker 1: 1:18:36

Because I'm teasing you, so I will say Ben's review of the day. The Echelon Energy Drinks by Unsubscribe.

Speaker 2: 1:18:51

Man, you were really into that whole donut electric.

Speaker 1: 1:18:55

No, I I can't stand down an operator I I really like the fat electrician. There is that I like they're on that whole thing yeah, brandon and the fat electrician, make that show for me uh eli and double tap, ah fuck them yeah yeah, I personally just mostly dislike Eli.

Speaker 2: 1:19:13

Don't that, I don't like. You think Eli's gay, I think Eli's totally gay.

Speaker 1: 1:19:18

You're the one with the horse cock dildo in your gaming setup.

Speaker 2: 1:19:21

I'm definitely not. I have no idea where you got that photo from. Probably your own house, that's my guess.

Speaker 1: 1:19:27

I definitely do not have that computer, that is totally not a gaming setup.

Speaker 2: 1:19:32

That's a wannabe gaming setup. Yeah, you know, mine is way more impressive than that.

Speaker 1: 1:19:38

Anyway.

Speaker 2: 1:19:42

But did you watch the video of the? Ai-generated animated stuff, the what? The AI-generated video with those guys in it? No, no, I sent it to you and I said you have to watch this. What the hell man oh that dude.

Speaker 1: 1:19:57

I tried to watch it. It was fucking weird and season two, episode one.

Speaker 2: 1:20:02

So you're missing the whole first season. Just watch the whole thing. All those guys are in it donuts in it, eli's in it, the ak guys in it, the AK guy's in it and the guy I mean all the guys I watch are in it, basically Including Asmongold.

Speaker 1: 1:20:26

Okay, anyway, the Echelon Energy drinks.

Speaker 2: 1:20:32

I got the limited run they did with the apple, whatever flavor, very good, what do they taste?

Speaker 1: 1:20:35

like good, and then their normal ones are have capsaicin in them.

Speaker 2: 1:20:40

They're different peppers and things like that, and it's excellent huh, so they're supposed to be like pre-workout drinks is what they're calling them yeah but, you know, sounds like overpriced water to me okay, well I like them, so they, yeah, they hooked you, they got you, I, I I ordered some. I'm trying it, yes what's the, what's the actual benefit? I mean you just like the taste, or do you get some kind of effect out of them?

Speaker 1: 1:21:16

they're supposed to be nootropic yeah, they've got a nootropic in there.

Speaker 2: 1:21:20

They've got, you know oh, they got 300 milligrams of caffeine. Holy fuck yeah, exactly that's. I mean it's fantastic.

Speaker 1: 1:21:30

Are you kidding me? But uh, I wouldn't. Yeah, one a. Are you kidding me? Yeah, one a day. You don't do more than one a day no, no, no no no Straline Saracen Capsaicin.

Speaker 2: 1:21:45

Huh, can you taste the capsaicin? Are they hot? Yes, they got a little bit of spice to them. I've never tried putting capsaicin into a liquid. That's an interesting idea.

Speaker 1: 1:21:58

I'm a fan man. They're good. I've had one the last few mornings and it's been very good. Have you ever?

Speaker 2: 1:22:04

watched. Okay, just for reference point. So this thing has. It's a? How many ounces? Is it 10 ounces or 12 ounces? I'd have to go with 12 ounce. Let's see 12 ounce can. It has 300 milligrams of caffeine.

Speaker 1: 1:22:18

Yep, which is a lot of caffeine.

Speaker 2: 1:22:20

I am drinking right now a 52 ounce iced tea, uh-huh.

Speaker 1: 1:22:32

And it has 23 milligrams of caffeine.

Speaker 2: 1:22:34

Okay, so the amount of caffeine in that can is substantial. Now the gum the blue gum that I was talking about previously that has caffeine, nicotine and what you would call it blue that yeah, methylene blue, I think that has in the neighborhood of two or three hundred milligrams of caffeine, but, man, you can really feel that it's a very strong upper. The problem with all this stuff is that you get used to it. Yes, so yeah, you do have to. Oh, they have 2,000 milligrams of prebiotics in there Interesting.

Speaker 1: 1:23:11

It's an interesting drink, yes, that is definitely unusual.

Speaker 2: 1:23:14

So you've got capsaicin and prebiotics and caffeine. It's like they threw a little bit of everything in there, and I don't mean a little bit, I mean like a lot of bit.

Speaker 1: 1:23:25

And B12, B6, lots of different things. You got what B12, B6.

Speaker 2: 1:23:31

Oh yeah, yeah, B12 is good. They don't have much B12, though.

Speaker 1: 1:23:35

There's a lot of interesting things in there.

Speaker 2: 1:23:37

Yeah, I'm looking at the ingredients list. They have 2.4 micrograms, so not a whole lot of B12 in there, but there's almost no carbs, so only two grams of carbs.

Speaker 1: 1:23:51

No added sugar. Yeah, they do have sucralose.

Speaker 2: 1:23:56

Yeah, Magnesium sodium potassium. Well, those are good, those are all good. Thiamine, yeah yeah, it's like they took parts out of a protein drink Yep, they took some parts out of a brain drink yep, they take some parts out of a brain drink, yep, and then they've got the. The addition of the probiotics is very interesting. In there is that's I.

Speaker 1: 1:24:25

You know I take those with some regularity and um all I can say is I've added it to my daily routine of supplements because I literally think of this more as a supplement, but it tastes good, you said. Yeah, it's fantastic.

Speaker 2: 1:24:42

And which flavors have you tried?

Speaker 1: 1:24:45

I've tried the limited green apple thing they did. That is a limited thing, they only did a limited run. Then they included their four main flavors and I'm trying them one by one.

Speaker 2: 1:24:59

Today I had the mango habanero, which was fantastic and there it looks like they do subscriptions yes so you're basically signing up to get stuff I'm not doing that, but yeah well, if you like it, you will probably yeah we'll see. Ammo prices have cratered you mentioned that I hadn't looked myself, but you told me that the other day yeah, if you go look at ammo depot, sgmo eric ammo man you know we don't get paid by any of these guys, but no ammo prices.

Speaker 2: 1:25:31

You can get nine millimeter down like 18 cents around now which, considering inflation that's happened, is probably the cheapest that ammo has ever been, in real dollars, exactly because I remember back in the day paying 10 bucks for a box of 50. So what is that? 20 cents around, and you know that was like walmart pricing, that was not a sale price, that was just walking into walmart and buying a box of nine millimeter and then it went to crazy land. So getting it back down to 20 cents around when 20 cents is worth less than half of what it used to be is actually very good. So that probably is the cheapest that ammo has ever been. We're living in peak cheap ammo pricing right now. Well, again.

Speaker 1: 1:26:21

That goes back to the housing prices in gold argument right and everything else.

Speaker 2: 1:26:26

So yeah, have you looked at the more exotic rounds? Are those cheaper? Like, if you want to do the P90, what are 5.6s good?

Speaker 1: 1:26:34

for I haven't. I have looked at the calibers that I have. How?

Speaker 2: 1:26:39

about 45? Did you look at that? I don't have any anymore.

Speaker 1: 1:26:43

Hold on. I have an email from SGMO right now. That's one of the places both of us have bought stuff from yeah right now. That's one of the places both of us have bought stuff from. Yeah so 22,. A case of 5,250 round case of 22LR 36 grain Winchester hollow points is 5.5 cents a round right now at SGMO.

Speaker 2: 1:27:08

So how much is that case? $289.

Speaker 1: 1:27:13

$289 for 5,000?

Speaker 2: 1:27:14

5,000 rounds. So normally they would you buy a box of 500 at a store. So $289, so about 28 bucks for a box of 500. That's still too expensive, those boxes of 500, I used to buy for about 10 bucks a piece.

Speaker 1: 1:27:29

I used to buy for about $10 a piece. Yeah, so here's Winchester Target Training 9mm NATO, which is a hotter round 124 grain, 1,000 rounds for $2.39, which is, you know, 23 cents a round. Yep, let's see 45, 45, 45.

Speaker 2: 1:27:47

Do they have the federal plastic ammo that I like?

Speaker 1: 1:27:50

I don't know In what caliber 9mm.

Speaker 2: 1:27:53

No ammo that I like I don't know In what caliber.

Speaker 1: 1:27:54

9mm, no, not that I've seen. So 5.56, 45 cents a round for good ammo, All right, 45.

Speaker 2: 1:28:08

Winchester 1,000 rounds, 45, acp 230 grain full metal jacket 35 cents a round. Let's see what is Federal going for Winchester, that's fairly traditional 23 cents a round. Yeah, I'm looking at Ammo man, similar pricing yeah 12-gauge buckshot 62 cents a round.

Speaker 1: 1:28:33

32 auto 32 cents a round. Shit's gotten cheap.62 a round $32 auto. $0.32 a round Like shit's gotten cheap, but $40. $40 has collapsed. $40 is down to $0.30 a round. Really Okay. 10 millimeter is $0.36 a round.

Speaker 2: 1:28:43

That's because there's no guns. No one has those.

Speaker 1: 1:28:46

I have 40s.

Speaker 2: 1:28:47

No, no, 10 millimeter. Yeah, wow, no one is left that has those. I think everyone get rid of them. So they have 40 millimeter, 500 rounds for 155. Is that comparable to what you're seeing?

Speaker 1: 1:29:04

ish, yeah, yeah that's definitely good pricing well, it's just way cheaper than what we're seeing in the last few years.

Speaker 2: 1:29:13

It's basically $15 for a 50-round box which I think, again looking back to the early 2000s, a .40 caliber 50-round box was about $13 or $14. It was $9 something, $9.50, $9.99, it was 9 something, 9.50, 9.99 for the 9 mil and it was about 13, 14 bucks for the 40 cal and then about 19.95 for 45s. But again, that's without taking inflation into account. It's already cheaper even at higher prices due to inflation. Oh and 300 blackout. Let's see what those are going for. Yeah, those are still a little pricier. Yeah, I mean, you're more exotic rounds you're 6.5, stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 1:30:10

It's going to be more, but the general ammo has gotten. You know, to me at least, looking at the ammo prices over the last few years has been significantly depressed.

Speaker 2: 1:30:22

How are they still selling Wolf ammo that's made in Russia, like five years after we boycott all Russian products?

Speaker 1: 1:30:31

Because I think there's wolf has manufacturing facilities outside of russia literally says made in russia. On the box well then it's just been there.

Speaker 2: 1:30:40

I don't know gene jesus I mean, that's what's so funny about this let's talk about the genius act real quick because yeah and we can wrap it up on this, but the Genius Act passed. So the US dollar supremacy is guaranteed for the next 100 years.

Speaker 1: 1:31:03

Well, at least a lot more so than it was before. Yeah, I think like $11 million to create a stablecoin that is tied to the US dollar, that is tracked, regulated and insured every 90 days Short-term securities only and, by the way, prohibits this is the first I've seen where we actually may get rid of the fucking Federal Reserve. It prohibits the federal reserve from doing this, but anyone around the world can create a stable coin and has to be interoperable that is backed one for one to us treasuries this is this is huge dude yeah, it's a.

Speaker 1: 1:31:46

It's a good, creative way to once again sell us treasuries yes for sure I mean if I'm in africa or insert communist country here. Yeah, I want the us stable coin over my native currency, absolutely. You're going to see such an influx from the third and secondary world into the us markets is not even funny.

Speaker 2: 1:32:12

Yeah, it's interesting, I agree, I think it's a I don't know that, like I'm not enough in the whole you know, in that whole sphere, the whole meme coin, bitcoin, kind of crazy thing. I've always said that to me, bitcoin is gambling unless you hold it for a damn long time, and and so I I have not sold anything bitcoin related. I've lost, when I'm on, you know, accounts that I've had stopped working, but I've never sold any bitcoin and I think that that's. But I've never sold any Bitcoin and I think that that's still going to be a good strategy for quite a while and it's. I remember about a year ago we were at about 50,000 for Bitcoin. Now we're at 112,000 for Bitcoin.

Speaker 1: 1:33:03

Yeah, I wish I would have not gotten rid of.

Speaker 2: 1:33:07

And I remember telling CSB back then when he was asking what do I think, I said yeah, it'll go back down to under 50. There's no way it's going to keep going up.

Speaker 1: 1:33:17

Yeah, so everybody knows my Bitcoin story of mining in the early days 50 fucking Bitcoin and selling them when I sold them. And it's just looking at the price. Now it's like I know, right on a beach, I could be on a beach.

Speaker 2: 1:33:34

I could be on a beach. You could be doing a podcast from the beach. Right now I would be doing a podcast. What, what? What do you mean you wouldn't be doing a podcast? Why would I be doing a podcast? Because it's the thing you love the most.

Speaker 1: 1:33:47

Obviously no no, oh no, I would you're insulting our listeners now yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:33:55

No, I would definitely just be on the beach, but yeah oh yeah I, I didn't have anywhere near that much, but I, I think I ended up mining like three or four and I and the machine that those were on was a machine that I'd, you know, already decommissioned.

Speaker 2: 1:34:10

It was no other box and when I moved to austin that machine made it into the garbage heap instead of the moving truck, because I was getting rid of a whole bunch of stuff that I wasn't using, but you gotta remember how, what the value of four coins were, because I did the math, I'm like I paid more than this in electricity costs.

Speaker 1: 1:34:30

Oh, absolutely and like. So when I did it it was still. You know you had to go and compile stuff to run this and do it. It was very early on. And again, on an old Intel, you know P4, dell, I was able to mine 50.

Speaker 2: 1:34:53

You couldn't do that with an ace and that was back when I remember meeting up with adam back then and like somebody just gave him 50 bitcoin donation, you know, and we were talking about like buying pizzas with it why are you even, why are you even accepting this bullshit from people?

Speaker 2: 1:35:11

just encourage them to use paypal. You know, that was my, that was my take. So yeah, yeah, I think most people, most of my friends that had bitcoin at some point oh, like my, my buddy that made the wallet. You know, when he started accepting bitcoin for wallet, he did it at then current price and then added like another 50 to that cost. So if you wanted to pay in bitcoin, it was going to be a more expensive purchase. And then he was starting to get people actually buying.

Speaker 2: 1:35:43

That's basically a hundred dollar wallet. It's a metal wallet, but having people buying it using bitcoin and and he wasn't buying pizza, but he was buying amazon gift cards that he could then spend another shit with him and he never really he just figured considered it in an, you know, alternate currency. Not like holy cow, I just got 100 bitcoins coming in. I need to save these. But I think everyone's got those stories of having spent Bitcoin for way less or, in my case, having thrown it away literally on the computer that it was on because there was very little value to it at the time being.

Speaker 1: 1:36:22

Yeah, well, it's one of those missed opportunities that sucks. It is what it is, but there's no point in crying over it?

Speaker 2: 1:36:30

No, totally true. Anything else we crying over it? No, totally true.

Speaker 1: 1:36:33

Anything else we need to cover, Mr Gene.

Speaker 2: 1:36:35

Let me scroll up the text messages that I sent you just to make sure that there wasn't anything that I wanted to bring up Force reset trigger we talked about.

Speaker 1: 1:36:47

What's the tracking you sent me that doesn't work? The tracking what Package tracking?

Speaker 2: 1:36:55

Oh, that's for the SD card that's coming your way from Amazon, oh for the books.

Speaker 1: 1:37:04

AMD's new Threadripper is not that impressive. I did get the dock. By the way, I ordered the BenQ dock oh you did. Okay, cool, cool, cool, yeah, yeah, yeah, so we'll have dock. By the way, I ordered the BenQ dock oh you did.

Speaker 2: 1:37:13

Okay, cool. We'll have to see how that works. So you get more monitors running at the same time. The Threadripper is $12,000. It's cool, but it's not for us.

Speaker 1: 1:37:27

They did not go up in price which was interesting. It's the first time AMD has not raised the price per core of their CPUs.

Speaker 2: 1:37:35

But they're expensive as fuck. So it's for a whole different kind of market, obviously, for like virtualization market, where you're running a whole bunch of different VMs on the same box, stuff like that, yep or deep research or whatever the fuck. Deep research or whatever the fuck. But the, the. There's a lot of rumors right now about amd's next generation video card, which doesn't even have an official name, but people are calling it the, the 10 900, because they're the 10th generation and from you.

Speaker 1: 1:38:07

You've got to think that intel has to do something to catch up intel, intel's in trouble man.

Speaker 2: 1:38:13

There's been tons of videos and articles about how Intel is in an unrecoverable place in their competition with their CPU chips.

Speaker 1: 1:38:25

They can't be in an unrecoverable place. This is a massive corporation.

Speaker 2: 1:38:29

Their chips cost more and run slower.

Speaker 1: 1:38:34

Right, but they have to do something to change that.

Speaker 2: 1:38:39

Right, but I think the point is that they would have had to have thought of that and start changing things two and a half years ago.

Speaker 1: 1:38:48

Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:38:48

That's what I mean by unrecoverable.

Speaker 2: 1:38:50

So by now they should be able to recover if they started something two and a half years ago, yeah, yeah. So if they start something now, the the prognosis? Like? I don't know, I'm not a fucking chip designer, I'm just watching videos, right, but what it sounds like the people that are following this are saying is that intel's got. They've gotten themselves to a point where their technological advances have not only been surpassed by AMD, but AMD is now surpassed them so far in their generations that it'll it's going to take years for Intel to just match what AMD is doing. So I don't know, you never know these things. They might have some secret project no one's aware of that makes a huge innovation. You never know. But I know that they've also invested a ton into quantum computing. Maybe that's their new strategy is to just kind of keep milking the standard CPU model while innovating purely on the quantum side. Who knows?

Speaker 1: 1:39:54

quantum computing is just such a bullshit thing well, I mean, it's got certain uses does it yeah, I think.

Speaker 2: 1:40:03

So what well, cracking cracking theory not in practice.

Speaker 1: 1:40:12

Name one practical use of quantum computing that has actually been achieved.

Speaker 2: 1:40:22

It does statistical stuff a lot faster. Ish, it's very expensive.

Speaker 1: 1:40:25

It's also like AI where it hallucinates and doesn't come up with necessarily the right answer, If you already know the answer yes, quantum computing is technically faster. But, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2: 1:40:36

if you don't know the answer, it's not practical for most things, that's for sure, but it's also early in the days. Now there's also there's a check out, a Germany that does videos who is an actual chip designer that I watch. She's hot. And uh, there is right now they're doing like sub one nanometer chip process design now, which is getting to the point where it's getting to the point where, well, it's getting to the point where the resistance of yeah, normal laws of physics don't apply anymore.

Speaker 1: 1:41:16

Well, not just that, the resistance of silicon so that bits aren't being flipped by other operations becomes a problem.

Speaker 2: 1:41:24

Well, it's not using silicon, but yeah, the innovations with what are they? Using. I don't remember, I honestly don't, but I'd probably track down the video if you're actually curious.

Speaker 1: 1:41:37

I am just from a physics standpoint. I'm sitting there going. I don't know how they're doing with nanometer, with silicon. It's going to fuck up.

Speaker 2: 1:41:43

Because I do watch her stuff when a new video pops up, see if I can track her down. I'm sure I just have to look for something that has the word chip or nanometer, and I probably find it. Yep, there it is 0.5 nanometer, worst first, silicon free processor. So the the chick's name is Anna or her channel is Anastasia in Tech. I'm going to copy it for you here. She's a Russian chick that lives in Germany. Oops, did I paste the wrong thing? Yeah, I pasted the wrong thing.

Speaker 2: 1:42:26

Hang on Share again Copy, Copy yeah you got my search list of terms from youtube.

Speaker 1: 1:42:39

Uh, search list is something what?

Speaker 2: 1:42:44

what power play, not what you think it is uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh colonization man grind grind uh-huh grinder, what? This is how we control ai. Just ignore what you see on the screen oh man, all right, gene.

Speaker 1: 1:43:03

Well, anything else we want to cover, are we good?

Speaker 2: 1:43:07

no, I think that's good. I've kind of scrolled through stuff I've sent you. Okay, I kind of use our signal communication as also a list of topics for the podcast and half the time you actually bother me.

Speaker 1: 1:43:20

We talk throughout the week.

Speaker 2: 1:43:22

Yeah, occasionally we do, but not always so for sure. But I will say that you can't use what Ben sends me as a list of those topics, because half of it is going to have dildos in it.

Speaker 1: 1:43:36

I have an infantile sense of humor, you do.

Speaker 2: 1:43:38

Absolutely. We all know that. All right, guys, hopefully you enjoyed this episode. We will catch you on the next one and, as always, keep spreading the word. Remember that we only have more people listening to us if you tell somebody else, because we're not promoted by any other organization. So it's all up to our listeners to promote us. And in fact, ben, didn't you mention on the last episode that you want to challenge some folks?

Speaker 1: 1:44:06

Yeah, if anyone can come up with a little cliplet or something like that that I can post on X, it would be greatly appreciated and happy to do it and give you credit for it.

Speaker 2: 1:44:18

Why don't you just pay the 20 bucks to AI to listen to all our episodes and come up with something? Because AI sucks. Okay, well, you heard it here. We'll catch you on the next one.