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Howdy, Ben. How are you today?

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I'm doing better than I deserve, Gene. Better than I deserve.

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Fair enough. What's shaking in your world?

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Uh well, you know, went all the way to Houston today and back for a meeting. Other than that. Wow. Yeah. Quite the drive for a couple hour meeting, but you know.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Anyway, it's all good.

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Yeah. Were you the only person at this meeting?

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Only person for my company, yes.

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Okay. Yeah, sure. Well.

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My boss is on his way to Dubai.

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Nice.

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So the cat's away.

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But I think it'd be better the other way around. If you went to this meeting and you went to Dubai, it'd be more fun anyway.

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Well, I'm it looks like I'm going to get to spend more time in Guam than I originally anticipated. Nice. I don't know about that. I don't know that I want to stay like two weeks at a time in Guam for multiple trips.

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But oh, it's I think you'll enjoy it. Have you ever been? No. So then why do you think I'll enjoy it? I've seen friends' photos.

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Okay.

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Yeah. I mean, there's no reason to go to Guam unless you work for the government.

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Well, and you know, we're we're working for the government of Guam on a couple of projects. And we do a lot of stuff for the military there as well.

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There's should be good snorkeling there or scuba. I don't know if you're a scuba guy.

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I haven't in a long, long time, but it might be a place if I'm gonna be there long enough to redo a refresher course and do a little exploration of the underwaters down there. So can we anyway? Anything else you want to cover about how's your mojo? Freshly rebooted Windows 11. Freshly rebooted.

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Okay.

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So I I'm betting you haven't seen the news yet.

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Uh no, probably.

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Comey just got indicted an hour ago.

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Nice. Yeah, buddy. That's very good. You know, I'm a big retribution guy. I I uh I believe an eye for an eye, so that would make total sense.

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Yeah, and the the the uh the statute of limitations was gonna be up in six months. So it kind of got leaked that he was gonna be in.

SPEAKER_01: 2:58

For what charge was the statute just four years? Perjury. Perjury is just five years? You're kidding me?

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Mm-hmm.

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Well, I have to do that.

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He is invited on perjury by a federal grand duty. Uh uh.

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So lying to who?

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Presumably Congress.

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Oh, does that count even?

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Yes.

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That's surprising. So I think a lot of people that have appeared before Congress should be guilty then. But clearly, if it's only five years, they're never gonna get charged.

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Yeah, so Comey testified that he did not authorize someone at the FBI to be an anonymous source. The department says according to the indictment, that statement is false.

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Uh-huh.

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Let's have a trial and keep the faith. My heart is broken for the Justice Department, but I have a great confidence in the federal judicial system, and I am not concerned, Comey added.

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Now, he's a lawyer, right? Yes. I think he should be concerned.

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I think he should be concerned as well.

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Yeah. Yeah. Like that lucrative lobbying gig he's got right now is probably gonna be done.

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Yeah, let the arrests start, is all I can say.

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Yeah. And I I I'm telling you, dude, we need a government works project to start building centers up in Alaska for people's betterment. I'm gonna be filling them up.

SPEAKER_05: 4:29

Well, the left isn't slowing down.

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That's why we're gonna be filling them up.

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Yeah, the shooter in Dallas, dude. You know, at first I thought, okay, here's the rights retribution, you know, because they killed they killed some detainees at the ice facility.

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Yeah, because apparently shots.

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Well, apparently, it's a mini Kirk assassin copycat, right? Because he wrote on the bullets and did stuff like that, you know.

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So they're all gonna write on the bullets at this point.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. It's gonna be a thing.

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Although technically, we should be pedantic. I am eating pizza, sorry about that. Um I'm just had one slice left, sorry about that. So we should be pedantic and point out that they're not actually writing on bullets, they're writing on the casings, yes. Casings, yeah. So and then some of them in just crappy old regular ballpoint pone.

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Yeah, Sharpie. Yeah.

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Or sharpie, yeah.

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Yeah. No, but uh the the ice shooter, you know, left notes saying he wanted to terrorize ice, wanted them to be afraid of working.

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Well, I am pretty sure there are people that are very afraid of working for ice right now, but that fifty thousand dollar starting bonus sure is looking good.

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Is that what it's up to now?

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Yeah.

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Damn. That's like a bonus for me.

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$50,000 starting bonus and a six-figure salary.

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Well, I mean, depending on how high in the six figures, okay. But it's probably not.

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No, no, no, no. So this is for the guys on the street. This is not office jobs. This is literally for guys that are driving around in those trucks in poorly fitting uniforms.

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Hmm.

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So my guess is they bumped everybody because you can't be hiring people for more than the guys that have been there for years.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you can, but that won't last long. So yeah, I think ICE is having a bit of a resurgence, and I'm uh I'm kind of happy about that.

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Yeah. Well, I mean, this is the third act of terror we've had, domestic terror that we've had in three days or three weeks, and or well, just two weeks, actually. And it's all been leftist. It's all been leftist.

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Well, you know, 90% of all violence is left violence.

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Well, again, it depends on how you count it. And some of these studies saying, oh no, no, it's the conservatives. Until you look at the methodology.

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I'm looking at the uh party that the criminals vote for before they were criminals, and I can easily say it's 90% left. Sure. I I gotcha. Not to mention who's been paying for uh Antifa people to get out of jail.

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Oh, indeed.

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Indeed.

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But anyway, so who do you think's gonna be the next uh indictment?

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Well, I heard something about Nancy Pelosi that there's now been either an indictment of her husband or some something was floated about there being indisputable proof of her having classified documents at home and her husband meeting with somebody that is Chinese national. So I'm waiting for that shoe to fall. But I mean, look, she's gonna be dead probably in a few years, she's old. Not not through any other means other than just being old. So I'm not sure putting her in prison is gonna be even an option. But it would send a nice message to the slightly younger generation of the lefties to say that nobody's beyond reproach if she does end up in prison. Yeah. Even somebody that fucked John F. Kennedy.

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Oh she's if she didn't, she certainly wanted to, man. And that picture is uh undeniable. Dude, that picture is all the proof I need.

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I know exactly what happened there. I mean, she was she was pretty. She was pretty. She was pretty. She was. She she was she wasn't fat, she wasn't skinny, she was just right. Mm-hmm. Now the only question is was she 17 or 18 in that photo?

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Yeah, I mean, if you're JFK, does it really matter?

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No, not at all. I think Marilyn Monroe was like 18, so yeah. Yeah. Hell, how old was Jackie? I think Jackie was 17 when they got married. I'm sure it was pretty common back then. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was the career move for a teenage woman. Still is. Hook yourself a well-paid man. So did you see you probably didn't, because I I just retweeted it and you don't follow my ex posts anyway. Well, there's so many. It's hard. Not more than one a minute.

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And this was a video. Are we really not gonna have a little bit more Schadenfreude over Colmy getting it? No, we writed.

SPEAKER_01: 10:04

We can, we can, but let me just point this out because connected. So the video of a what seems to be a just post-college age female mentioned about how horrible everything is, and especially MAGA, and complaining about not being able to take uh Tylenol when she's pregnant, which I'm pretty sure it would be an abortion anyway, but you know, she she she's mad that there's now findings that say that Tylenol is bad for children. Yeah, it it's linked to autism, it's literally linked to all kinds of diseases.

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And you look I stopped thinking in 2017, yeah, Tylenol posted on social media when responding to a pregnant woman saying, Hey, I just took this, it really helped me. They say, Thanks, but we don't recommend anyone who's pregnant or nursing take our products, any of our products.

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Well, it's been a shit product for a long time. I haven't taken Tylenol in probably 30 years because I remember back then doing some research and realizing that this thing literally is bad for kidneys, liver, everything. Yeah, for the the organs that you're gonna need for the rest of your life.

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Yeah, and yet people get put on low-dose Tylenol all the time.

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Even high dose Tylenol, they get put on. Yeah, I don't understand what the hell's wrong with aspirin. I've been taking aspirin my entire life. It has always worked, it's been around 160 years. It's one of the most it's naturally occurring, frankly. I mean, that's how we discovered it in plants. Why the hell? Like birch bark, why the hell would would anyone switch off of something that works perfectly fine to something that doesn't? I don't get it. Uh-oh. Do you take aspirin or do you take Tylenol?

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I take aspirin. Or Advil. I take a leave most if I take anything, but I just just don't take anything.

SPEAKER_01: 12:12

Yeah, that's a better approach. Or just take aspirin. The only real risk of aspirin is for hemophiliacs, which you know, nobody listening to this show is. So I don't think it's a risky thing. We don't provide medical advice. So anyway, this woman. Yeah. What happened? So she's complaining about that. And then she said, Yeah, if you're gonna take away, you know, my my reproductive rights, you're gonna take away my ability to take drugs. Uh you got all these magaranges, why don't you just take away my right to work? Because I don't need to work, I'm sick and tired of working. If this was women's suffrage, then I don't want it. I thought it was hilarious. They're finally. A hundred years later, they're finally arriving, over a hundred years. On the big lie, as I call it. The big lie of feminism, the big lie of women's suffrage and the fact that women should be equal to men because they're not. Never have been. Well, we can pretend they are. It says in the Bible, women are not equal to men.

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Wives, submit yourselves unto your husbands.

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Not to mention that you know, when you create a person out of just a single rib, that person's gonna be more likely to talk to the devil.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So a funny associated story to yours is Tim Poole was sharing a story today of a woman who overdosed on Tylenol because she didn't want Trump and like this is the TBS level she was. She was pregnant, overdosed on Tylenol, and she is now in liver failure and likely to die, and they're trying to save the baby, but the baby may die as well. And so the husband is sitting there left, you know, his wife having just basically committed suicide.

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Right, right. Because she was too stupid.

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Yeah, I hope so too.

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But I hope the stupidity is not genetic.

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Well, or hopefully they got it from the father. You know, the more genes from the father.

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Yeah, that's wild, man. I don't understand this type of protest.

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I don't either. I mean, it's like the challenge.

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Right? We're gonna tell you something that you shouldn't do because it's been a lie. Like the food pyramid. You should stop eating grains and cereals for breakfast. Don't get all those empty calories that'll just turn you fat and into a diabetic. And I say this. Gene is speaking from experience. I'm getting speaking from experience here to eat cereal in the morning. Anyway, well, we got and your response to that news is well, fuck them. I'm gonna double down and eat more cereal and grains. I'm gonna cut out all protein and all fats out of my diet and just do 100% protein, just to spite them. Yeah, it's an insane response. These people are self-diagnosing as mentally retarded.

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You know what I made for dinner the other night? Hopefully, not carbs. Well, there were some carbs in there, but it was braised beef short ribs with plenty of veggies and then a dark gravy, right? And a risotto to serve it over.

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Okay.

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It was quite tasty and very, very fatty. Lots of fat and protein.

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I think it'd be pretty good without the risotto.

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Well, but the risotto is so good.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Like you just put a little bit of risotto in the bottom of your bowl, and then you put a lot of meat and sauce on the top, and it's delicious. Yeah, I guess. I mean, a short rib is about as fatty of a piece of meat as you can get. It is good, yeah. And when you cook them long enough and everything, and all that dissolves, it's just oh yeah, use it just to spread on your toast.

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So I made a uh variant on an omelet this morning. And not even omelets, really scrambled eggs, I guess. I didn't really scrape them all that much. But I tried something different, and I did this before, I just forgot about it. So I sliced mozzarella cheese thin and I covered the pan with mozzarella cheese slices. Then I warmed it up to about 210 degrees and let it just get the cheese to start melting. I mean, you could have done this with shredded cheese, I just didn't have any, so I used thin slices. And then just as the cheese is starting to kind of bubble from the heat, then I poured the uh eggs over it. And then while the eggs are still kind of wet, and they they you know they cool down the cheese so it's not burning. And then while that's still kind of cool, I uh chopped up some uh really thin sliced ham and uh into like little half-inch squares and and then spread those on top. And then put a little bit of feta cheese crumbles in there and let it sit until the the top of the eggs were starting to firm up, but still a little soft, and then folded the omelet and then just let it rest for about three minutes. And holy shit, was it delicious? It was as basically like a calzone made out of egg. Sounds good because the cheese on the outside got nice and you know, brown and crispy, like cheese often does on pizza, except there was no carbs, it was just fat and protein.

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Sounds good.

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It was tasty, I'm telling you. And didn't even need to use salt because the uh the ham's already salty, right? Not really a recipe, more of just a style of preparation, but it was pretty good.

SPEAKER_05: 19:02

Did you see what President Trump said uh about Illen Omar and the oval today? I didn't see what he said today.

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I know he does not like her.

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Well, he said to reporters because they asked him about her, and he said, You know, I met the head of Somalia. Did you know, did you know that? I suggested maybe he'd like to take her back.

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Yeah, no, they wouldn't. They wouldn't, though. No, no, they wouldn't. You know why?

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It's just funny, it's so fucked up.

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The guy's a comedian. I I love that about Trump. He is hilarious, and it drives him nuts. You know why they wouldn't take her back, right? Why? Like kidding aside. Because she was a kid in a family that were high-up ruling class administrators for the socialist government in Somalia. So they lived very nicely while the rest of the country was starving. So their family literally had to like they are genuine political refugees because they had escaped from a revolution against them. I mean, it's not like not like her dad ran the country, but he basically was a high-up, you know, administrator where he was working with the guy that was the dictator of the country, and it was a socialist government, you know, in the Soviet style, and so the the family escaped. And the and the problem I have with this whole thing is is that America has been too taking on too damn many people of the wrong political persuasion. I don't care what your race is, but if you're applying for asylum status, I absolutely want to base it on your politics. Am I wrong?

SPEAKER_05: 20:54

No, I think you're absolutely right. Also, in other news of the world is healing. Alex Jones is back on uh YouTube.

SPEAKER_01: 21:09

Oh my god, holy shit. Wow. Okay, I'm gonna have to start watching there again. Because he's been on X now forever. Right. I'm kinda used to seeing him on there. He got a new channel. Wow. That's great. I mean, you know, YouTube's gonna be making more money off of him now, of course, but I'm glad things are starting to normalize. And I I don't want to necessarily promote this book, but there's a book that predicted all this. What book is that? It's called Pendulum. It was written by my friend Roy Williams.

SPEAKER_05: 21:47

Yeah, we've talked about it on the show.

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We have. And for the last probably eight years. So I met Roy originally about 15 years ago. Maybe, maybe 14, 14 years. It's it was literally the the first month I moved to Austin. And I met him meaning for like a hey Roy, uh, say hi to Gene. Hey. And that was about it, right? That was the extent of the meeting. But in since that time, I've gotten to know him really well. I I've taken a ton of classes from him, probably spent, you know, I I don't know, five figures of money on their classes, and then donated money to the school. And one of the books that he's written, he's written a number of New York Times best-selling books, even though New York Times is bullshit. But one of these books is Pendulum. And in that book, they he goes through and details an 80-year cycle that occurs with regular intervals that much like the four turnings. Yeah, it's it's very similar to the four turnings, exactly. But it's not really based in that book because they look at more of yeah, more of yeah, it in and the four turnings, yeah, that came out of a book that really only looked at four generations, and then sort of said, Well, if we can extrapolate this, this could be repetitive. This book, uh Roy's book, goes back, I think over a thousand years. Actually, if you want to stretch it, it goes all the way back to Christ. But realistically, they cover all of America and then go back to Europe and look at the the timelines for major events in Europe. But the most recent ones, they look at periods of strife, like the peak periods of strife in America, which would be the the Civil War.

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Revolution, Civil War, yeah.

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So revolution, Civil War One, World War II, World War II all fall at the same place on the 80-year cycle.

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Yep. And we're there now.

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That was and that that point was 2023. Yeah. So 2023 was the extreme swing of the pendulum towards the direction they call it we or me, but really it's you know communism or individualism. Collectivism, right? Collectivism, yes. Yeah, it's uh yeah, not so communist, it's not political, it's it's the identity. So collectivism on the very extreme peaked in 2023, and the pendulum is starting to swing back, which is something they predicted, and I couldn't wait for it to fucking happen because I knew that this would be a very bad time to live through. Yeah, and certainly when we hit COVID, I was like, oh boy, I don't know if this is gonna end or not. Because the takeover of individual rights just went on full bore.

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I think it's not over because you know, while we may be swinging back, the left is fighting it, and that's why they're shooting people. Like that's why they killed Charlie Kirk. Exactly. Charlie Kirk was a movement for that swing back, yeah. He was an effective tool for it, and that's why they killed him. Absolutely, not because he's the most extreme of us, not because he was the one that was saying horrible radical things, but because he was effective. Exactly right.

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And yeah, I think they they had over 400 uh campus.

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Oh, yeah, they're adding like crazy.

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Yeah, they're adding like crazy right now.

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So by the way, Alex Jones posted, I was just looking at his Twitter feed, he posted this morning eight hours ago, so I guess noon, or you know, whenever. He said investigation has proven that Epstein was a CIA slash Massad asset, resulting in subsequent cover-ups. Plus, here's what he here's the interesting part, plus James Comey, Loretta, Letitia James, and others to be indicted in the next four days. And Comey is so yeah, get them all Leticia.

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Yeah, get them all, get them all caught in the dragnet there. But as far as Epstein, I think that's been my most enduring theory with no no, you know, proof because I don't expect them to give us any. But it's the fact that he worked for American intelligence. Now, did he work for American intelligence and Israeli intelligence? Maybe, but the it was clear from what I've heard from between Israeli and American intelligence. Yeah, Israeli intelligence spies American intelligence. American intelligence does not spy in Israeli intelligence. That's the main difference. Okay, I don't know about that. Well, you should. So the the idea is that he clearly was because remember, I I even postulated this back when uh we thought they were going to release the papers. I said, I don't think it's likely, I don't think we'll ever see those papers again. You remember that, right? Yeah, and the rationale being that if you think about why would you not release them, like what is the most obvious Occam's race or explanation for not releasing papers about somebody who was doing all these things that you you're calling otherwise horrible. It's because by releasing that information, you implicate somebody you don't want to implicate. And the theory is well, it's gotta be all the the you know the shadow government people, all the big it's the Jews. It's well, that's another theory, right? Because the Jews run the world, therefore it's the Jews that are because Jews killed Charlie Kirk, the biggest supporter of Israel out there, the Jews did all these things. It's the Jews, and uh, by the way, today I watched the full episode of the interview with with the the the Mexican uh goddamn, what's his name? Nick Fuentes Fuentes, yeah, yeah. Fuentes watched the full interview with him that Patrick but David did, and it was very interesting. I now understand why he doesn't like Jews, and that is why.

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But before we get off, I don't want to I don't want to get off the sexual stuff because I got a funny story to say. Okay, all right. So the Daily Mail has come out and said that Charlie Kirk's shooter was a cuck. Quote Charlie Kirk's suspect trans lover had a flirty relationship with other men.

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Okay.

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Apparently, not only was he just a thwat, he was a cuck to thwat.

SPEAKER_01: 28:43

Like, is that really more weird than the fact that they were furries? Fucking a furry trans?

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No, but it's just the whole furry transmerate bullshit is just beyond me.

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Can we not reopen the asylums, please? No, we need to.

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If you're a furry trans cock, you need to be in an asylum.

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You're and this is a kid that grew up with his dad as a sheriff in a conservative Christian family.

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Like, dude, seriously, there's like I get it. You're gay. Fine. I don't want to put all gay people in a not all of them are furry furry trans.

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Furry trans cocks.

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And the funny thing here is it's like that you have I'm sorry, any man, yeah, and I may offend some people here, but we all know I don't give a fuck. That's true. Any man who will allow his woman to cuck hold him, destiny, yeah, is not one, not a man, and two, a psychological deviant because that is so antithetical to the core of a man's being.

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Yeah. And I don't think it's uh tied at all geographically. It doesn't matter if you pick somebody from the middle of Africa or middle of South America or China or America. Men are average men are gonna have all the same reaction. It's that you don't share pussy.

SPEAKER_05: 30:10

It used to be legal for a man who walked in on his wife screwing someone else to kill them, and it would be declared a crime of passion and not be prosecuted. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 30:24

So well, we do have men that have always shared pussy though, but more as a business kind of a expense, you know, thing. Pimps. Well, or most pimps do sleep with the hose.

SPEAKER_05: 30:38

They just don't systems and stuff like that. But if it's your wife who is or significant other that you're Like yeah, you can have a fuck buddy sort of relationship that you don't care who she sleeps with, but that's not your one.

SPEAKER_01: 30:54

It reminds me of one time when I was on podcast and we're talking about different sexual practices and stuff. And the the question came up about like, so if you're swinging and you know you accidentally like lick the other guy's dick, are you gay? How do you accidentally do that? Well, because you're 69ing your wife, and then another dude like gets in there, I guess. No, have you never been to a swinging party? Anyway, I refuse to answer that question. I know you're refused.

SPEAKER_05: 31:27

Anyway, uh and also you know, you can do separate rooms, you can do lots of different things. There is no excuse for ever touching.

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My point is, look, I don't care if you're doing it, okay? You want to be by, be bye, but don't call yourself straight if you're sucking another guy's dick accidentally if you trip and fall on the guy's dick.

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I do it, Gene.

SPEAKER_01: 31:50

Oh my god. So it's like just what it just truth in advertising. Just call yourself bi if you're not gay. That's fine. But this this other dude that was on there, you know, it was one of those like sex podcasts I was on a guest on or whatever. And when the other guy, what podcast was the this was probably this was post-COVID, but not by much, but maybe four years ago. And the the other dude kept insisting that well, no, no, it's not, and he lived in Dallas, and and I know that scene in Dallas, because you know, I used to live in Dallas, and I'm like, dude, first of all, the rules are very clearly spelled out, they no one's gonna accidentally trip and fall, you know, and put their dick in your mouth, and so no one's doing anything they don't want to do in that environment. You talk about a group of people that are extra precautious in terms of getting everyone's okay. And so what you're telling me is you want to suck cock, and and you also don't want to call yourself gay. Well, fine, don't call yourself gay, but you can't call yourself straight. You eliminated that, and you know, he he didn't appreciate that, and the host started getting all politically correct on me and everything. I'm like, look, I'm just calling it as I see it. I'm not judging. I I don't care what people do, that's the libertarian kind of part of me, but I will not accept wrong definitions for anything. A man is not a woman, and a guy with a penis in his mouth is not straight. Agreed. Yeah. And I just had a big conversation, a big, I'm not gonna call it an argument, but a discussion with a gamer who happens to be like the number one rated gamer in this particular game I'm playing a couple days ago, when he kept calling the NPCs AIs. I'm like, well, where were you getting this information that these are AIs? Because they're NPCs, they're non-player characters, but unless they have an AI engine actually driving their movement and they're able to learn from behaviors, they're not AI, they're just NPCs. It's like, well, no, they're called AIs, everyone's calling them. I was like, I don't give a shit what everyone calls them. There's a ton of people using the wrong words for all kinds of things. So, anyway, that was a fun discussion. You you know, you understand why I don't ever go on Reddit.

SPEAKER_05: 34:33

Oh, Reddit's the cesspool.

SPEAKER_01: 34:38

Cesspool where everyone is convinced they know better of whatever the topic is.

SPEAKER_05: 34:43

Yeah. So Trump is authorizing, he's wanting Bondi and everyone to prioritize political violence.

SPEAKER_01: 34:51

Good. Good. Now maybe we can get some facilities built up north. We can certainly see. I I have an extremely low opinion of Bondi. I think she's a useless twat. I think Bondi's about to get fired. I hope she gets fired because she was a bad pick. Literally, everybody told Trump she was a bad pick, and he picked her anyway, because he has a thing for blondes. And that was a weakness on Trump's part that I don't like. Is he he gets into this mode of like grinning ear to ear and not at all seeing anything bad about a woman? Like, dude, you know what? Sometimes you get lucky, like with Kaylee McNanny, the bandcamp girl there, but sometimes you don't. And you can't just hire every blonde chick that you meet. That's a pathway to not a good place. It depends on what you're hiring them for. Well, clearly when he hired Bondi to be his lawyer, he was hiring with his dick, not his brain.

unknown: 36:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 36:04

And then to just double down, he hires his lawyer as the country's lawyer. Where he had much better choices. So I di this is the part of Trump I dislike. It's the not listening to people that you should trust, like Robert Barnes, and just doing shit because you like blondes. Or you like chicks in general.

SPEAKER_05: 36:35

Well, I think he likes girls in general.

SPEAKER_01: 36:37

He's the most uh pro-women president ever, and he says Obama had nothing in him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 36:42

Actually, I think that's demonstrably true, actually. It is. I know.

SPEAKER_01: 36:47

That's what I'm saying. It's his administration's all chicks. Well, I'm not even just talking about that.

SPEAKER_05: 36:52

I'm talking about just what he's done for women in general.

SPEAKER_01: 36:57

Yeah. Like running the whole Miss Universe. So like, how else would a pretty girl from Iowa get a scholarship? Jesus Christ. And that was in the before they started putting the trends in. Now men are winning everything. What was it? Miss Thailand won and she was a dude. Oh god. Or something. It was one of the, or maybe it was Japan, but it was a dude. You know, like dudes are winning everything, including women's beauty contests.

SPEAKER_05: 37:31

I literally had a woman tell me that she's anti-trans because it's a standard of beauty she shouldn't have to compete with the phrase as well.

SPEAKER_01: 37:47

That's the only reason that they don't like trans, is because trans chick put effort in.

SPEAKER_05: 37:53

Well, and not just that, but just the body fat percentage and everything else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's way easy for a man to be thin. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 38:04

Probably, you know, probably didn't like the competition, is my guess. But uh, it's a stupid reason because men aren't women to begin with.

SPEAKER_05: 38:16

So there's no straight men don't want trans women.

SPEAKER_01: 38:19

And yeah, and uh like why are we even calling them trans women? They're they're just dudes who are feminine. Femme dudes. There you go. Femme dudes, that's a better term for 'em. I think the term is femme boy. What if they're old? Oh.

SPEAKER_05: 38:41

I don't know of many older ones, but you know, hey, what do I know?

SPEAKER_01: 38:45

I'm sure they're there. I'm sure they are, but it's like when's the first time that you saw a trans dude in your life? And that in real life, not necessarily, anywhere. Images in real life or internet? Internet's fine.

SPEAKER_05: 39:07

90s.

SPEAKER_01: 39:09

In the 90s, okay.

SPEAKER_05: 39:10

Late 90s, like 90s. And you were 1999, 12 to 13. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 39:16

Yeah, I'm trying to think back. I I know it was in an Italian comedy I watched.

SPEAKER_05: 39:21

No, so for me, it was so I got exposed to a lot early on because you gotta remember I when I was on the internet as a kid, yeah, there was no filtering, and pop-ups were a real thing. And you you would go to an innocent site and all of a sudden get shit tons of pop-ups for all this porn shit, and like uh everything from like bestiality through trans stuff, all that would like pop up. And anyway, so I saw a lot of shit that I shouldn't have as a child.

SPEAKER_01: 40:01

Yeah, yeah, I could definitely see that.

SPEAKER_05: 40:05

I combine that and my reading of Heinlein and Rand, and No Wonder I'm a kinky fucker. There you go.

SPEAKER_01: 40:13

That's uh I guess, yeah, yeah. It's trying to think if there's anything earlier, I don't think so. But it was a movie, it was actually an Italian comedy about sex that I can't remember the name of. I mean, it wasn't like X-ray, it was it was just normal R-rated shit, but the all the comedic elements had to do with something sexually related. Like the woman that you know gets married and her husband dies right after the the marriage ceremony and then that happens multiple times over, and so like what is this black widow, you know, yeah, basically. Yeah, maybe it's how funny can sex be? Maybe that was it. I'm scrolling through a list of Italian comedies about sex. But because my internet history needs to get weirder, obviously. Hmm. But it it's I like one of those little scenes in that movie was a guy who comes to a city to visit an old friend that he hasn't seen in a long time, only to discover that his friend is a chick now. And he's really torn between being disgusted by it and having all these fond memories of like you know his buddy when they were kids and hanging out and remembering, and oh she's not just a chick, but she's a prostitute, trans prostitute. And that so that was the first time I ever saw someone. I was like, what the fuck? That's that's so fucked up. Why would why would a dude do that? That makes no sense. We're the asylums in Italy. So that but I think now we've got a generation of people that are like five, six years old that are way more familiar with trans people than any kid deserves to be.

SPEAKER_04: 42:29

Oh my god, yes.

SPEAKER_01: 42:37

And speaking of Italian movies, there was another movie that was called Satiricon. You ever seen that one?

SPEAKER_05: 42:46

No, I'm not an Italian film.

SPEAKER_01: 42:48

Oh, okay. It's it was it was about like Roman history with a lot of sex and nudity.

SPEAKER_04: 42:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 43:00

So that could be interesting.

SPEAKER_05: 43:02

Satiricon, yeah, it's it's they seem to have you ever watched Caligula? Yeah, I've seen that too.

SPEAKER_01: 43:09

What?

SPEAKER_05: 43:09

No, Rome.

SPEAKER_01: 43:10

Oh, the TV series? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Quite good. Yeah, Rome is very good. Even better is Spartacus, if you've seen that series. I have not seen that series. You haven't? Oh, dude. Okay. It might be on Paramount. I can't remember what network it's on, but it may be on Paramount. Spartacus was excellent. It had classical British TV actors or movie actors doing the the whole, you know, Roman British accent thing, which is what you would expect. But they had full on a Roman British accent is because in in movies, in and in English language movies, Romans always speak with a British accent. I don't know if you notice this. They don't speak with American accents, they they always speak with British accent. So when they represent Italy in English language, they don't do the fake Italian accent. They they go full British. Well, why would you uh do the fake Italian accent to make the character seem like he's eating the pizza? Do not break the pasta in half, you stupid Americano.

SPEAKER_05: 44:23

Yeah, yeah. By the way, did you see the protesters at one of the ice facilities or something? No water. No, no, no. It was one of the uh Charlie Kirk memorials wearing Luigi hats.

SPEAKER_01: 44:39

Heard about it, did not see it.

SPEAKER_05: 44:41

Yeah, like Mario Luigi hats.

SPEAKER_01: 44:44

Yeah, yeah, I get that's what they said, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is, I think, a reference to the killer of the of course it is.

SPEAKER_05: 44:52

It's Luigi Mangioni, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 44:55

Luigi Mangioni, yeah. Could you his name just sounds like a hitman, doesn't it? Who did the hit? Luigi Mangioni. Yeah, you know, sounds about right. I guess you gotta give the guy some props for being creative with building a gun.

SPEAKER_05: 45:15

What do you mean, building a gun?

SPEAKER_01: 45:16

He built a gun.

SPEAKER_05: 45:17

He didn't build a gun. I'm pretty sure he did. How so?

SPEAKER_01: 45:22

Was he using a mass-produced gun? Because my last time I looked into this, which was granted months ago, they said that he 3D printed that gun.

SPEAKER_05: 45:30

The frame, okay, but you whoop the fucking do. Okay, those files exist out there, it's not.

SPEAKER_01: 45:41

I mean look, I I've had I don't own the 3D printer, but I've had multiple 3D printed things that I've requested it, and they all break, they all suck, man.

SPEAKER_05: 45:52

Yeah, and his gun didn't cycle.

SPEAKER_01: 45:55

Well, there you go. So it proves it was handmade. Exactly. Just saying that, you know, that I I'm trying to find the silver lining to something that is a very dark topic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 46:13

Civil War, Gene. Civil War.

SPEAKER_01: 46:15

Civil War is definitely here, and then we need more asylums to fix that. I don't think that's gonna fix it, but sure. I don't know. It might you know if you keep putting away the people that keep doing violent acts away.

SPEAKER_05: 46:30

Have you looked at your signal?

SPEAKER_01: 46:32

No, why?

SPEAKER_05: 46:34

Because I said 20 minutes in and we're 46.

SPEAKER_01: 46:38

Oh. Alright. Well, go ahead and take your piss break, Ben. We'll be right back, folks. All right, Ben. Of course, I'm just kidding. I have to be the one that uses the restroom, but anyway, we're back now.

SPEAKER_05: 46:53

Anyway. So okay, we've got InfoWars coming back. We've got Comey indicted. We've got people actually going and fighting. I dude, I don't see any way out of this coming into being a full-fledged right v left civil war. So something there but they're going to they're going to push to the point where there's going to be another assassination. And I thought it was going to be the right that would take out someone on the left. But now with this ice shooting and the violence against the ABC affiliates over what's his fucking face. Yep. Yep. I I don't know that it will be. I don't know that it will be. But eventually, the right will respond. Like, I can totally see the next assassination really galvanizing the right to say, fuck it, hunt them down.

SPEAKER_01: 48:09

Yeah, but that's the wrong response. You don't want to hunt them down. You want to use the power of the government to put them in prison.

SPEAKER_04: 48:16

I agree.

SPEAKER_01: 48:19

Which requires more prisons to be built. I mean, more uh institutions, uh, asylums to be built in Alaska.

SPEAKER_05: 48:28

Well, something, man.

SPEAKER_01: 48:29

Yeah. And the reason I say Alaska is very simple. It's because if somebody escapes from a prison, I mean in mental asylum in Alaska, they're going to freeze to death. They're not going to be able to like you know travel the 50 miles to civilization on foot before succumbing to the cold. During winter. Even in summer. It's not going to be your nights will drop to the 40s. You're going to be dead. Oh, please. What what you think somebody wearing a prison uniform is going to be able to walk 50 miles at 40 degree weather?

SPEAKER_05: 49:06

Are you insane? Well, if it's an asylum, why would they be in a prison uniform, Gene?

SPEAKER_01: 49:11

Okay, so they're in an asylum uniform, which is white instead of orange. That's the only difference. But why would they be in a uniform versus just because everybody there is in clothes that are going to be safe to not hang themselves with?

SPEAKER_04: 49:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 49:28

I mean, you know, padding costs a lot, so it's it's better just to put clothes that don't that like rip easily on them.

SPEAKER_05: 49:36

I don't know. I prefer the padding more comfortable.

SPEAKER_01: 49:39

I would too if I was in prison. I I mean if I was in an asylum, I would certainly prefer to have a nice padded room. Makes it more comfortable. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 49:54

So what else, Gene? What's next on the list?

SPEAKER_01: 49:57

Well, I don't know, man. I did I gotta scroll up and see what I sent you over the last week or so that we haven't yet talked about because we talked about video games already. Get on that count. Yeah, so I was I like the stance that our Canadian friend uh has taken. What's what's his name? The uh the uh prove me wrong guy. Oh yeah, him Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_05: 50:23

Yeah, Mug Club, Louder with Crowder.

SPEAKER_01: 50:25

Yeah, Louder with Crow Crowder. The Crowder, which is that we need to use violence. Legal violence, legal violence controlled by the government, exactly. And I'm I'm totally on that same wavelength with him because what the fuck is the point of having the government pussy Republicans if you're not gonna use the government? Because the other side sure as fuck use the government every chance they get the government, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 50:57

So so speaking of Republicans actually using the government, yeah, Texas AM is looking for a new university president. Okay, the last one was forced to resign over this transgender issue I brought up. Yep. So enough stuff has come out about him pressuring the student to back off. You applied to no first of all, uh, they would never ever let me do that.

SPEAKER_01: 51:29

Oh come on, you're you're like, you know, their favorite uh non graduate.

SPEAKER_05: 51:35

Mm-hmm. Yeah, no. Anyway, the the point is the laws in Texas that were passed fairly recently saying state funds cannot go to any transgender education items. And he was caught red-handed, you know, hands down, no, no way out of it. So, and he knew it, and there were very prominent Aggie donors who were tweeting. Fire him or else, huh?

SPEAKER_01: 52:13

Fire him or else.

SPEAKER_05: 52:15

Tweeting to Greg Abbott, you know, we will no longer be donating and fucking fire him. And finally, they did. Yeah, that's good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 52:30

Yeah. And somebody brought up a very good point to the libertarian stance of well, but you don't want to have the government do something when you're in charge because you know they they might use that to do it against you. They already are. Yeah, that so the question was if uh if somebody is in the process of committing a heinous evil act, do you just watch and take pictures or do you try and prevent it from happening? And a normal person will say, Well, I you know, I don't know if I could, but I would certainly give it a try and stop them. Right? Like it's a it's it's the the battle of your internal flight or flight instinct versus your humanity, right? And basically saying you need to step in and do something. Well, our country has been in the process of being raped, and Republicans have never wanted to actually stop that rape from happening. They've not stepped in to try and prevent it, they've not even wanted to pass laws that would make it more difficult for this rape to happen. They've just stood by and pointed to it and said, Look, those bad people are raping the country, and then that's the end of their actions. So I I'm there with Crowder, I'm there with these other folks that are basically saying enough is enough, the rape has to stop.

SPEAKER_05: 54:15

It does.

SPEAKER_01: 54:16

Yep. We cannot have police departments have their logos in Arabic the way they are in Minnesota and in Michigan.

SPEAKER_05: 54:33

Well, we we just need to get to a place where we are not we have to get back to some form of unified culture.

SPEAKER_01: 54:46

It doesn't have to be what it was, yeah, but we have to find a spot where we can get to be that unified culture, and until then, there's gonna be violence at this point, yeah, and that's why we need to start putting more of these people away for the safety of everyone. So, can I talk about Nick Fuentes now? Or are we not there?

SPEAKER_05: 55:14

Sure. You can go on a Nick Fuentes diet track.

SPEAKER_01: 55:18

You know who Nick is, right?

SPEAKER_05: 55:19

I yes, I've never really listened to him or anything like that. Some people refer to him as I am I am not a group. Yeah, that's kind of I put him in the same category as I do Milo, yeah, like gay Catholic boys, basically. Uh just someone I am not interested in hearing from.

SPEAKER_01: 55:38

Right. Yeah, somewhat effeminate men. So the what was interesting, this is I think the best interview anyone's ever done with him. First of all, I gotta give props to Patrick but David. PBD, who I generally don't like, and it's not his fault, it's his accent's fault. I automatically stereotype and categorize people with that accent as low IQ.

SPEAKER_05: 56:06

And he is clearly not.

SPEAKER_01: 56:07

Patrick is not, but my my automatic categorization system is hard to override. So every time I hear him, I'm like, God, I wish you could speak better. This is just you sound like a just a you know, New York schmuck. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_05: 56:26

It doesn't sound like a New York schmuck to me.

SPEAKER_01: 56:28

What does he sound like?

SPEAKER_05: 56:29

He sounds like a Middle Easter.

SPEAKER_01: 56:31

No, he doesn't have a Middle Eastern accent at all. No, he did. He was a kid, he does. He was younger than me when he came to this country. Yes, and you both have accents. No, we don't. Absolutely not. I've been certified as not having an accent.

SPEAKER_02: 56:46

Of course you have.

SPEAKER_01: 56:48

I have I have tested for this. I'm clean, man. I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_05: 56:55

So and your Russian is showing.

SPEAKER_01: 57:00

My English is also my English accent is ever so slightly present in Russian, but it's it's it's it's really not it's not an accent, it's a way of speaking. Yeah, I mean, it's having uh yeah, no filter, exactly.

SPEAKER_05: 57:17

No, it's not even that, it's just the the timing of your sentence and the way you structure it comes off as non-native English speaker.

SPEAKER_01: 57:30

Yeah, well, yours comes off as Southern Hick, so there we go. Well the the and that's what I am. Yeah, yeah. And I'm sure a lot of people have to get past that in order to realize you're not a dummy either.

SPEAKER_05: 57:41

Uh you know what? It when people hear me speak, yeah, I know they automatically remove about 20 IQ points.

SPEAKER_01: 57:50

Well, and it's you know, and you know what? Yeah, you think that's a good thing. Uh I don't fucking care. Let them misunderstand. But anyway, that's that's the thing that my brain does by autopilot, and then I have to compensate in the other direction manually for it when I hear Patrick Bet David. But props to him for being in a really good interviewer because I've never asked never heard most of these questions asked of Nick ever, and I've seen quite a bit of Nick.

SPEAKER_05: 58:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 58:15

And the stories you have me intrigued. Well, what was fascinating to me is I didn't have all this backstory of young Nick, who incidentally is a very intelligent guy, also a high IQ individual, and he became political at the ripe old age of eleven.

SPEAKER_00: 58:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 58:38

And he started doing well, he started being very involved in uh doing political things in his early teens. He he got uh introduced to Dennis Prager and became a huge den Dennis Prager follower and uh was doing he he was doing a lot of like mock UN and debates in school and and then was the captain of the debate team. Uh he was the uh the whatever the hell the head of the mock UN is like he got very involved in that type of nerdy activity when he was young. That is pretty nerdy, like political nerdy stuff. Yeah, mouse tracking. You know, I did some of this, but not most not as much. He was also libertarian when he was younger, and then clearly not anymore these days. He's 26 right now, incidentally, so he really is still young. But he he got involved in this stuff, was doing stuff for Prager, was hanging out with the crew from what's his face is god damn. Why am I blinking on everything?

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:02

I don't know, but I need more than what's his face.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:06

Guy who talks really fast.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:08

Ben Shapiro.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:09

Yes, him hanging out with people from Ben Shapiro, a lot of the younger sort of crowd that that was politically involved while still in high school and going into college. And there he met this this woman that he clearly fell head over heels in love with. And it was not reciprocated. Oh, and she was Jewish. And she was working for Ben Shapiro. And she was Jewish, and she was not Jewish. Are you sure? Yes. Yes. I thought that's where the Jewish. No, it keeps going, keeps going. And she was not Jewish. She was working for Ben Shapiro. And you know, they were hanging out with him. She was Jewish Jason. And then she started converting to Judaism. And she was going to marry herself a Jewish boy. And oh my God. At that point, little Nick's world was turned upside down. The love of his life had not returned his interest in wanting to develop something, but instead had pledged herself to be a good Jewish wife and clearly excluded his Catholic ass from that whole thing. That was not bad enough because she'd later then betrayed him by well, she didn't, I guess, technically betray him, but she so anyway, so he had this experience that he was a guy who has been hanging out and with a bunch of Jewish kids for two reasons. One, Jewish kids tend to be more political, and he was political, even though he wasn't Jewish. And two, he was in all the accelerated learning classes, which again, most Jewish kids are all in accelerated learning classes because their IQ is higher. And so he was What happened with you? Well, I'm an example of that. What are you talking about? I was in the Gifted Talents program starting with third grade. I got identified as having a high IQ. And then you are. What? Sure, you are. It's public data, dude. You can look it up just so I looked up your data. Oh, we gotta get into that. Yeah, we'll we'll get into that. So so then he had said something about how it was something innocuous. I I can't remember what the details were. If you really want to watch the interview with Patrick Bed David, I I had it queued up today, but I had to go to Houston.

SPEAKER_05: 1:02:50

Yeah, so I didn't.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:52

But it's it's in there. But basically, some of there was something that he thought that like if you're if things are not good for your country, then you ought to be opposed to it. But there he seemed to run into people in politics that are not opposed to things because when it came to like, is it good for Israel or is it good for the United States, they chose Israel. And he had nothing against Israel. He was a he said, you know, when he was young, he was a big supporter of Israel. This created an inconsistency in his mind. It's like, well, wait a minute. If you're in America, you live here, shouldn't you care more? Like you can still care about Israel, but shouldn't you care more about America? And and then he said that, and this was when he was probably like 16 or 17 or something. And this this girl who had been the life of the unrequited love of his life and who had converted to Judaism said, you know, that's an extremely anti-Semitic viewpoint, and I can't believe you just said that, and I just don't want to have anything to do with you. So I I think what that was was from her standpoint, somebody that clearly was infatuated with her had been hanging around her trying to you know be her best friend, and then him knowing that she just converted to Judaism would say something that, and you know how this is like non-smokers are the worst, right? Non-smokers are the ones that are gonna complain the most about smoking. Somebody who's just converted to Judaism is gonna be way more sensitive.

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:38

Former smokers is what you mean to say.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:40

Yeah, what did I what did I say? Smokers? Oh, yeah, yeah. Former smokers, yeah, exactly. So same kind, like it's all new, and the the recent converts are the most defensive, right? Where somebody who doesn't care, like me, is like, eh, whatever. Non uh a recent convert is gonna be like, whoa, whoa, anti-Semite alert. And so she basically called him out on it. She worked for Ben Shapiro, so clearly she was bitching about him to Ben. And then Ben retweeted some tweet of his saying, not a good look, where he said something anti-Jewish. Or probably not even anti-Jewish, right? Probably just something anti-Israel. And like that cemented for him the whole Jews are just here to undermine me thing. So, you know, wars have been fought over women, and I think this explains very clearly what what happened to a young Nick Fuentes.

SPEAKER_05: 1:05:47

I mean, he's not wrong though.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:50

Well, why? Have you been requited by a Jewish woman as well?

SPEAKER_05: 1:05:54

No.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:55

Okay. So, no, if you mean like shouldn't you be more for America, I totally agree. Absolutely. I mean, the place you live is gonna be of the utmost priority because that's where you presumably have settled in or planning on having kids or already had kids. So if you don't like that place, you should probably move somewhere else. And I don't think there's anything wrong with having opinions about other countries, especially other countries you've lived in or have relatives in, but that shouldn't be ahead of where you place America. So he's totally right on that count, absolutely. So, anyway, then he just kind of kept talking about different instances where he was basically the they figured out that the way to kind of get him to be pushed out of the young conservative circles was to just keep pointing to things he said as being anti-Semitic. So they they used anti-Semitism as a club to beat him up with it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:07

Dude, the ADL's been doing it forever.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:09

Yeah, I know, but most Jews don't support the ADL. The ADL exists there's bullshit bullshit nothing, dude. That that's like saying that, you know, the uh what's that church down in Florida that that like banned gays or whatever, that that represents Christianity.

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:28

You know, represents part of Christianity.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:31

Yeah, exactly, part of Christianity. And the ADL has been a nothing more than a Democrat mouthpiece for like 30 years. I've got tweets going way back talking about how they don't represent Jews because they're they actually they don't care about Jews, frankly. They more they care this is an example of this exact prompt. They care more about their democrats than they do about Jews. Like, what about Jewish gun rights? Ah, fuck the Jews. We don't need guns. Uh how is that a how's that pro-Jew? It's not. So, yeah, the ADL is you know, it's like the what the the Negro, what is that group? United Negro College Fund or something.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:21

D A C L U.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:23

The N L A C P. Okay. Yeah, it's basically the same question.

SPEAKER_05: 1:08:28

Why don't you tell everyone what you uh dug up on me and how? Well, not the not the details, please. Please don't talk to me on that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:38

I can't believe you were asking for that, Ben. Holy cow, you're just open. You're so into freedom of speech.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:43

No. No, I I just I wanted to go back and listen to this episode and make sure you don't actually insert knocking.

SPEAKER_05: 1:08:50

No, uh, so you know, last time I said hey, you said you were getting one so someone did something fairly, they had enough information about me that they went through and dug up enough to put together a pretty convincing exploitation letter.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:07

And you wanted to see how easy I was curious how much stuff is out there about you.

SPEAKER_05: 1:09:12

Well, and so most of the stuff you found is either public records and I can't do anything about it, or or old. Right, right. And that that's the thing. So when I was a kid, like the the camus net email address you dug up, yep. I use that for everything, like the first version of Metasploit that I downloaded, all the forums I talked on. So that's very out there, and that's something we have to recognize is like as I've gotten older, I've gotten way quieter. I use spam accounts, I don't tie stuff to my main stuff as much. Yeah, but you know, we all started out stupid.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:47

Yeah, yeah. So it's uh talk for a good I would say it was two or three minutes innocuous, but it was interesting to see how fairly easily that information is obtainable just by using one of the free search engines to kind of point to some sites.

SPEAKER_05: 1:10:05

You didn't even use Multigo, did you?

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:07

No.

SPEAKER_05: 1:10:08

Have you played with Multigo?

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:10

No, I I'm too lazy.

SPEAKER_05: 1:10:12

Dude, it's free and it's really easy.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:15

I know, I know. Yeah, no, it's true. It's true. But no, I just basically started getting on some of the torn sites and and the dark web and started poking around a little bit, and before too long, I got enough data to where I was bored, sent you what I had, and said, you know, based on what I'm seeing, I I think your exploiter likely was not here. It's probably somebody on Facebook. Or getting data from there at least. Which I've never understood why anyone would ever put the type of info about themselves on Facebook as people seem to put on Facebook.

SPEAKER_05: 1:10:58

Oh, it's crazy. And what you have to realize, most people go with the default settings, which means anyone can see stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:09

You know, people don't even lock it down.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:12

And it's well, it's got a negative lock thing by default, so it's everyone can see except the people that you explicitly prevent from seeing, like exact I I I would I would like to see a lawyer bring a class action lawsuit from people who have never had a Facebook account, but other people have put their information up. Yeah. I could see that. Yeah. Now I also looked, you know, because it was related records, I found some stuff on your wife, but I figured there's no point in spreading that around. But it was it it was not anything too interesting.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:58

Well, I mean, you know, you again public records, you're not gonna do anything about that. Public records are public records. Yeah, and you know, that this goes for everybody. I mean, that that includes where you live. Like if you own a house, that's a public record.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:13

Now, the interesting thing about email addresses is you can actually do some searches on actual email transaction data, and there's not much of it, but if you get lucky, you may be able to scrape some somebody's email.

SPEAKER_05: 1:12:27

Yeah, and that does exist. Yes, and that comes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:30

Email's always been insecure, and most people don't realize that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:12:34

Yes. And so Multigo is basically an information graph, right? It links things together, and it's a great OSINT tool. And I've been using it since since the project started, and it it's very useful.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:49

I get it installed, I just uh I'll probably put it on my laptop.

SPEAKER_05: 1:12:52

I I told you I was able to find how my information got out there in the first place.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:59

No.

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:00

So this was coming from the name was consistent, and I'm not gonna say who the client was, but we just put in a bid to a large municipality, one of the largest in the nation.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:16

California. Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:18

And well, no comment. And my resume was attached to that bid as a key person.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:27

Well, one of the messages I got from a proton account, I was able to link to an individual who works for the city who would have seen that. So his account is owned, is what it comes down to. Someone has owned his account. And yeah, because I don't think he's actually the one doing it, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:49

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:51

Yeah. So anyway, I've put all this information together and I need to contact the FBI and let them contact him.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:00

Yes, they they should totally do that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:02

Pro well, I mean, it if someone's hacked into his stuff, yeah, it's kind of a big deal, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:14

Yeah, no, I hear you.

SPEAKER_05: 1:14:15

So, I mean, what they saw was they saw this come across. I bet you I'm not the only one that has received something similar. I bet other people at my work, I'll have to ask. I will bet that our competitors got hit too, because what they probably did was see all these bids come in and these people put in higher positions on this bid going, I bet they make a lot of money, let's go after them.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:43

That would make nothing but sense. That would be my my take on it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:14:50

But yeah. But I was able to do that with Multico.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:56

Yeah. So there was uh actually a presentation this morning from DHS talking about fishing services specifically targeting people in the cyber threats groups of utilities. Yep. So I I think that's I can mention that much at least.

SPEAKER_05: 1:15:27

Well, the fact of the matter is, like, quite frankly, if you're high-end cybersecurity, we we have a conflicting nature. So, for instance, I should not have a LinkedIn. Yeah, should not exist, should not be out there. I should not have a LinkedIn talking about what I do.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:51

Yeah, but you change jobs like every other month, so can't do that without LinkedIn. I do not. I was called eight and a half years, dude.

SPEAKER_05: 1:16:01

What I was at Vistra for eight and a half years as a you know, uh Dragos for two.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:08

Um it's called I'm breaking your balls, dude. Come on. I'm not being literal.

SPEAKER_05: 1:16:14

Anyway, what it comes down to though is uh we have a perverse incentive because for our career and mobility standpoint, we have to have a LinkedIn, but from a cybersecurity standpoint, we should not be advertising to the world and anyone who wants to see it what we do.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:36

Yeah, yeah. Back when I worked for British Telecom, the every project had a code name, and we were only allowed to use code names. We're not allowed to use client names. Yeah. And I I think that's a practice that's mostly died down in American companies, but was still the case there.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:04

It it depends. So, for instance, some of the work at facilities that would have now nation nation national secrets or have some sort of classification standard or US only persons, we typically use an internal code name.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:25

Yeah, well, it's good practice either way, because we're back when I used to do security, you know, you're you're dealing with not just the digital aspects of it, but also the publicity aspects of it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:45

Well, and the hum the human side of it, yeah, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:48

Yeah. Yeah, which is always a a mixed bag, frankly. The number of people that don't understand the impact that what they say can have greatly outweighs the number of security personnel.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:08

How so?

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:11

Most leadership sees security as an annoyance.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:17

As a cost, yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:18

Not just a cost, but as the people that make our lives harder. They don't see them as like the essential ingredient without everything else goes tits up. And that that's you know, again, after like 20 years of that, I I pretty much was over it. It's like, yeah, I'm not gonna miss this part of the job. Because they're just butting heads. Dude, I I was personally fired by the CISO of uh Mare Price Financial for being right. Uh it's not unusual.

SPEAKER_05: 1:19:07

No, it's not. I've had like my CISO and I at previous jobs went round and round, but I was right. And I was right to do what I did. Yep. And quite frankly, luckily the CTO at the time said, yeah, no, he just saved your ass. So we had a hack at one of the companies that got into corporate active directory, got all over the place. Like it was a massive incident. It was a week-long, weeks-long recovery effort. And, you know, on the OT side, I literally had my engineers write a firewall rule to be applied that would sever all our power plants' communications from the rest of the company. And we got to the point where we had an automatic trigger that if there were any indicators of compromise from this mal this ransomware on any single plant, it would trigger against all of them and just totally disconnect them, meaning physical trips would be required to restore connectivity.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:12

Yep.

SPEAKER_05: 1:20:13

And so we got luckily we never had to trigger it, but my CISO told me don't implement that. And I ignored him and I implemented it. Yep. And anyway, he wanted to write me up, he wanted to do all sorts of stuff or you know, disobedience, insubordination. Yeah, and the CTO it went to the CTO's desk and he said, Why would you write this up? It was the right thing to do. Like it's in the public's best interest, not just our interest as a company. And he threw it out.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:46

So yeah, no, it's it's a sometimes the political pressure overrules the right choice from a security standpoint, from a corporate standpoint, even.

SPEAKER_05: 1:21:03

Because people Well, he was just seeing the dollar signs of how much it was gonna cost to recover.

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:07

That's exactly right, dude. I believe me, and I I think I've talked about this, but as part of doing some Red Hat activities, you know, legitimately, that I was getting paid to do, I took down the cash reducer system for Target in North America. Well, they started adding up the cost of that. And all kinds of people started saying, Well, why wasn't I notified about this? We would have said no. And it's like, well, some manager somewhere made a decision and decided not to put you on the CC line. It wasn't anything I did, but you know, in the end, everybody paid the price for that. Yeah. So it it's it there there are things that you have to balance, but not necessarily is that balance gonna be done by the right person, because sometimes they they have a very strong visit in one direction or the other. And in your case, it sounds like they also had a personal grudge against you for not following their orders.

SPEAKER_05: 1:22:35

Well, that's that's see so he was he was a Latino with way too much much ismo, and probably if he wasn't an ethnic ethnic minority, would not have been in the position he was in. And he he and I butted heads constantly on, you know, I would choose different technologies than he wanted because he was one of those guys who always let people take him out and do stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:03

Yeah. I get it, I get it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:08

It's this is one of the things that I think makes it by the way, what JD Vance just went on Laura Ingram and said people will go to jail for funding left-wing terrorism, and Georgetown is now investigating the catch this fascist posters that were good present on campus.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:32

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's high time we do that. And they they shouldn't be a hand slap either, they should be real sentences for people.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:41

Uh I I think you can start with a hand slap.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:44

As long as it's a felony, I don't care. As long as I I don't want these people walking around with guns. Okay. These are people who are hellbent on destroying America. And much like an example, yeah, you know, enough rape. I I'm done with it. We we don't need to have these people be able to commit more acts of violence.

SPEAKER_05: 1:24:11

What do you think should happen with oh my god, he he did the oh he was on MSNBC for a long time.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:23

I can picture his fucking the guy that said Tony Kirk probably brought this himself or whatnot?

SPEAKER_05: 1:24:28

No, the guy that said you're next, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:32

Oh, I didn't see that. Who said that?

SPEAKER_05: 1:24:34

Oh my god. He had an MSNBC show, he got fired. I actually agreed with him a lot during the Bush years because he was anti-Iraq and Afghanistan war.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:45

Who who said you're next?

SPEAKER_05: 1:24:48

Keith Olbermann. There we go.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:49

Oh, Olbermann okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:24:50

Yeah, Keith Olbermann. So he made a threat against someone's life. What should happen with him?

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:00

Well, a credible threat against somebody's life is a felony. Okay. Well he should be arrested. He should be arrested, charged, found guilty, and do a minimum one year in prison.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25:22

Well, I don't even care if he ends up with community service, but we have to start punishing people.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:30

Yeah, but I think one step at a time, right? The first step is actually charging all these people, not just ignoring them. The second step is actually having the trials where you demonstrate what they did and then laying out what the uh the uh punishment would be.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25:48

I think we're starting to see some balls out of the DOJ. Like going back to the beginning, you know, indicting Comey is not a small step.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:00

I think it's a very small step. I think this is a piddly little step. We need to see thousands of indictments going out all at once and not cherry picking one person who incidentally is a multimillionaire and will not serve a day in jail for any of this.

SPEAKER_05: 1:26:17

You you have to move the the needle so that you you have to get somebody, you have to pin them to the wall, then you have to get the next one, and it become, hey, this is a cultural shift, you're not gonna do this anymore.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:33

I I think that'll take way longer than this president has. I think we need to be doing thousands of indictments all at the same time. Hell, dude, they they wasted no time indicating people that went to Site C in Washington, DC and maybe happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Thousands of people get indictments at the same time. You know why the the Templar organization doesn't exist today?

SPEAKER_05: 1:27:10

Because the French government went after it?

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:12

Because the Pope said that all of them are to be arrested on Friday, October 13th. And that's what was executed by uh not just the French government, but yeah, certainly the French court. So you gotta round them all up, otherwise all it's gonna do is just spread like a messy sizing cancer. Put them to work, man. Have them be building some camps up in Alaska. Children's camps, you know.

SPEAKER_05: 1:27:51

Mm-hmm. What else you want to talk about, Gene? Because I've covered what I wanted to.

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:58

Uh I don't know. I but Nick, so we got done with Nick. So, bottom line with Nick, it was a great interview. Watch it. I understand that the his anti-Jewish stuff is it's you know, it's emotionally personally driven. I don't think had things gone a different way, Nick would have been out there chanting Death to Israel, but I totally understand why he's doing it at this point. What else we have for links? Let's see how we talked about that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:28

Any new video games, new spaceships?

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:30

No, no, no, no, just still playing Grey's own, the uh the best military simulator out there. Where you get to build guns from parts or take them apart and do you whatever you want.

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:41

You you gotta Did you see Herrera's latest video, The Biggest Iron? No, oh my god, he shoots a gun that uh I swear to god, he physically looks hurt shooting.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:56

Wow, and he shot the AK-50, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:29:00

No, this is a handgun, too, bro. Okay, it's uh I haven't seen that yet. I gotta check it out. It's worth watching.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:07

He's still running for Congress, right?

SPEAKER_05: 1:29:09

Yep, yep. He's doubling down.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:11

Given his compet his uh competition for that seat, just had one of his staffers spontaneously explode. That's gonna be an interesting race.

SPEAKER_05: 1:29:23

To say the least.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:25

I feel sorry for the gal, but you gotta wonder, what exactly is the job? What does it entail being a staffer for this guy if there's a chance of spontaneous combustion?

SPEAKER_05: 1:29:43

Yeah, and then Grand Thumb is doing more training for a high training videos.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:49

Yeah, he did a land nav.

SPEAKER_05: 1:29:52

Well, no, he did a land nav video.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:54

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:29:55

So, hey, here's how you use a map.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:57

Which come on, every guy should have been a Boy Scout at least long enough to that's I'm glad he's doing it because we have a whole generation of kids who don't know how to use a map. Dude, I see this in video games. People are like, oh, where are you going? What are you doing? I'm like, 242 degrees, look at your map. Yes, I'm that guy.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:22

You would be that guy.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:26

I'm the guy that turns off all the little helpsicles in video games. You know, just get all that shit off your screen. If you can't navigate by looking at the sun and the stars, you don't belong in my army.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:38

Well, I mean, like for me. I remember as a kid, you know, being on the boats. And stuff like that. And I was always fascinated with you know primitive navigation. Yeah. And when I was a kid, one of family friends who was a sea captain and you know literally taught me how to use a sextant.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:07

Yep.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:08

You know?

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:08

And it's remember, keep this clean, Ben. What? Oh my god, dude.

unknown: 1:31:19

Oh fucking shit.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:20

People may not know what a sextant is.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:22

So a sextant is a navigational device. Thank you. It is not navigational aid. Not to be confused with a marital aid. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:36

Oh, I got something funny. I gotta keep it anonymous though. What what do you do if you got a buddy you've been playing video games with, you know, you're you're like uh you never met the person, but you you chat with them with some regularity. And then you know, apparently the guy has not disabled his steam wish list from his friends seeing it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:04

And by the end of the story, you'll see why I highly recommend that you turn off all social things within Steam.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:11

Okay. Luckily, I'm not in Steam enough, so I know it's not me.

SPEAKER_02: 1:32:16

Yeah, exactly. I don't have a wish list.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:18

No, but you know, I've got a wish list, and the my wish list is pretty much all what you would expect space games and shooting games. That's about it. A little bit of a little bit of farming games in there, too. But that that's FarmSim 5. It's about the extent of it. Yeah. FarmSome 23 is the latest, but it'll be 27 probably. But do you have Farmsum 5? Yeah, of course. So Jesus Christ. So anyway, so I see he's got his wish list up, and and I know some of the games he plays, and so I thought, oh, I wonder if he added Greyzone, the game that I'm currently playing, that I've been raving about how great it is to his list. So I started scrolling down, scrolling down, and then I start noticing a lot of like anime character video games. You know what I mean? Like they're all cartoon Japanese y looking things. I'm like, oh, okay, well, he's into that uh the whole anime thing, I guess. And I keep scrolling and then I started looking at some of the titles of these games, and they're like Best Friend Picnic or I'm trying to think of a clean title for one of these, like you know, My Cousin's Adventure. And I'm I'm looking at these now, going, what the fuck? And I when you look at what the game is, these are all sex games. They're they're like sex games for people that are into anime. So hentai kind of shit, right? And I'm like, oh Jesus Christ. Does he not realize well, I'm sure he does this guy probably hasn't, but does he not realize this is public? And then you keep scrolling and it's not just Japanese porn animation games, but then specifically moving into the fetish of BDSM. Like Japanese fetish BDSM games. And I'm like, okay, now I'm really torn. Because I was gonna make fun of them, right? Because that's what friends do. But now I'm thinking, okay. You still should. This may be over the top. I don't want the guy to delete his fucking account and just disappear. You know what I mean? Right. Like there comes a point where you can embarrass somebody so much, like showing him a picture of you know their mom naked right after you had sex with her, to where they will want to get like hide from that so much that they will literally just delete everything and will go away and never be around. I don't want to be that guy that's responsible for him doing this. So I'm I'm still kind of torn. Like, I haven't done anything other than talking about it on our podcast. But nobody knows who this guy is. I'm I'm not gonna give any clues to it, obviously. But the the I I don't know, man. Like if I saw just anime crap for a grown man, I would totally make fun of him for that. I was just bringing up by the way, I can't believe you you're you know, still wanting to buy blah blah blah game, or or like, oh, I didn't know you were a little girl pretending to be a man or something like that. Something super witty that only I can come up with. But there's a point where he gets so weirdly fetishized that I'm afraid if I bring it up, the defensive reaction might be excessively strong. He's not gonna kind of chuckle it off and go, Oh, yeah, I'm totally into that kind of you know, anime BDSM crap, love that shit. Most people don't want to admit stuff like that. Well, you know, I know you watch furry porn, but I'm not gonna say that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:11

I I do not, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01: 1:36:13

Okay, you see the reaction right there. That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:17

But I you son of a bitch, but I really tell it. So, you know, it's fine, but like that's not my kink. I have plenty of them, and I will freely admit that I hope I didn't accidentally stumble into an actual kink.

SPEAKER_01: 1:36:34

You didn't, you didn't. It's all good. Ben's like finding his furry stuff right now. Shit. Now they know shit, he's got a camera. Yeah, so I don't know. I'm but also if I do nothing, someone else at some point will see this and he and use it against him, yeah. Yeah, like actually use it against him and not just think it's funny.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:58

So the what I would do is I would say, hey, dude, one of my buddies got this extortion email. You know, tie it back to that story. Say, hey, he just got this, you know. You might in my podcast, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:12

Talk with my buddy about his experience.

SPEAKER_05: 1:37:14

No, but because then he might listen to this one and be like, oh my god. But what you should do is say, Hey, he just went through this, and you know, luckily there was nothing, so it's not a big deal, but check you check all your uh settings on Steam and you know, list that as an example and everything else, and make sure you've got it locked down where you need it to be. Like that's how I would handle that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:37:40

Because then it's not specifically calling him out for that, you're not suggesting you saw anything, you're just saying, hey, you should uh lock down you know your social media stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:52

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a tough one. And I and and fuck Steam for not making the default to be hidden. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because it it's like there's no reason for Steam to make that default public.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:09

Even to your or at least during setup, do you want to share this with your friends?

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Because there's a you what if your friends are your family? Do you want your your you know your relatives seeing your oh, I'm gonna bookmark this to purchase later so I can jack off to this video game?

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:31

You know, that's just who the fuck jacks off to a video game.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:35

I suspect people that are into anime do. I mean, what's that there's not really a point to getting those games other than that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:47

I don't know. What's the point of going to a strip club?

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:50

There is no point to going to a strip club. I've never understood. I agree. If you're gonna go someplace and and spend money, you ought to get something for it more than the visual.

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:02

Well, and that that's my entire problem. My entire like either you really want to do something and you can't, or you really don't. Like, it's just a I I have been to one strip club in my entire life. It's for my 18th birthday, friends took me there, it's not for me.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:26

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a I was speaking, I was looking up exactly where that setting is. It's a little hidden in Steam. I always thought from a financial standpoint, strip clubs were a total ripoff. It's like going to pay money to watch other people eating food.

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:57

I think it's a little worse than that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:58

Like you can smell the food and you can pretend you know what it tastes like, but you're not actually eating it. Or you don't want to, because it's not a good thing. Well, what are you doing at a restaurant if you don't want to eat it?

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:11

Right, but you know, if you see someone randomly eating something disgusting.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:17

Well, yeah, you may not want to, exactly, exactly. I mean, I guess you'll you'll know that restaurant doesn't have good food. Are we done with this analogy? I think so. Okay. I will move on. Of course beaten. Yeah, to death. But it that's not a it and I've like I've paid for friends' bachelor parties before their wedding and stuff. And I feel bad paying the money because it's it's just a ridiculous amount of expense. Like a girlfriend experience totally makes sense to me. Like you're not you're not paying for some random bimbo looking chick that's fake where you know she wants to be, and and stretch marks where she didn't have plastic surgery grinding away at you. You wanna you wanna have some hot chick that literally is gonna spend the entire 24 hours with you day and night? Much better bang for the buck. Excuse my language, sir.

SPEAKER_05: 1:41:23

So, real quick, story just posted to local media. I'm reading it real quick, hold on. So Trump has stated to government agencies that if the government shuts down, expect mass layoffs.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:42

Good.

SPEAKER_05: 1:41:44

Which would be under his purview then to save funds and so on. So come on, government shutdown.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:57

I've always been in favor of every government shutdown that's ever happened, and I don't understand why everyone's trying to reopen it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:42:05

Gene, I found your woman online.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:08

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_05: 1:42:08

Which one? Since since we're stretching for time and topics here. Oh. Hold on, I just sent it to you in uh yeah. This is definitely Gene's type. It's a woman doing a belly dance who really needs a tummy tucked.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:33

Yeah, yeah, big time. That's definitely not my type at all. Are you kidding? I I generally the more over 100 pounds they are, the less interesting they're gonna be.

SPEAKER_05: 1:42:42

Yeah. So since we're gonna wrap it up here pretty quick, I will talk about Aggie football because we've got a hell of a game coming up this weekend. Aggies fresh off of a bye week after beating no no Notre Dame. We've got Auburn coming in to our stadium, and it's gonna be a top 25 matchup. Aggies are favored by six and a half, and it's gonna be a hell of a game. And if they can pull it off, then yes, this will be an amazing start to the season.

SPEAKER_06: 1:43:15

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05: 1:43:16

So very excited about that. And um what I will be doing Saturday afternoon.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:20

You're gonna be doing sports ball, it sounds like.

SPEAKER_05: 1:43:22

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:25

Good, good. Alex Jones, I just posted. I'm officially joining the Democratic Party as of today.

SPEAKER_05: 1:43:32

Yeah, he also is you miss the part where he's doing his becoming Hitler social experiment.

SPEAKER_06: 1:43:38

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:43:40

So Alex Jones is going on a massive troll offensive.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:49

Yeah, good for him. I'm oh my god, he's got the Hitler mustache. Holy shit. Yep. Holy shit. Yep. Oh my god, I can't believe he just did this.

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:00

Yes, he is on a hell of a troll campaign.

SPEAKER_05: 1:44:03

It's gonna be fun to watch for a while.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:08

I mean, he looks less like Hitler than one of the other dudes, but I can't believe he just did a Hitler mustache. That is amazing. And he's got that kind of gruff look to him in this photo where he's just about to do the uh the Roman salute.

SPEAKER_05: 1:44:25

And and go off on a massive tirade when he's talking like this.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:30

Yeah. And you've you've seen the videos of Hitler talking like to friends, right? No. Oh, you haven't? Oh, I'll I think I got those videos.

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:38

Where he's very calm.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:39

Yeah, yeah. He's he's in one of the videos, he's basically discussing one of his speeches with, you know, just like not politically, but just casually. It's like, yeah, I don't know. Well, I was thinking maybe I should, you know, really kind of stress this part of it. I don't know if people are really getting the right impression. And just very calm, normal sounding voice, not yelly, not shouty, as the CSB would say. Yeah. So what do you think about it I I can't imagine Alex Jones having a normal voice.

SPEAKER_05: 1:45:16

No. This is something we haven't really talked about, but what do you think about the odds of Kirk not having an exit wound?

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:27

Some people have brought that up. So the best uh the best analogy, or not analogy, but the best description I've seen, the one that I I think is the most rational that I buy into, is that he was wearing body armor. And the shot was not actually in the neck, the shot was to just above his heart.

SPEAKER_05: 1:45:50

Yeah, I I don't think that's the case. I don't think he was wearing body armor. Because you can see his nipples a few frames before.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:58

That that's that's on the body armor these days.

SPEAKER_05: 1:46:01

Uh-huh. Anyway, what I think happened.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:04

If you look at it actually right before the shot, if you look at his shirt, it is absolutely square. Not fitting his body, but looking like something underneath the shirt is pushing it out.

SPEAKER_05: 1:46:15

Okay, well, this will should all come out in the coroner's report. But based off of what we know right now, yeah, the guy was shooting at a you know, about a 25-30 degree angle off center from Charlie. Yeah, he was shooting down at a probably about a 15 degree angle. Yeah. So that bullet went in, hit his neck, hit his spine, and went down into his body cavity. That's what I think happened. It could be. I mean because you know what I've seen shooting a deer that's broadside to me, right, and shoot doing a body shot, it a even my 300 rum hitting a rib and deflecting and the exit wound being six inches in either direction from where that was. It's not straight through.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:59

And I we don't know what kind of bullets to use, I guess, or maybe we do, but I just don't know.

SPEAKER_05: 1:47:03

No, it hasn't been publicized, but that's the other thing is a 30.6 is ballistically about where a 308 is. Like it's a much larger physical round, but this is a much older round design, the chamber pressures aren't as high, things like that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:47:18

So what you have to think of is if that was let's say an older cartridge, right? This was supposedly his grandfather's rifle. So if it's an older cartridge, A patter could be degraded if it wasn't kept correctly. And B, if it's a not super fast moving or it's a lighter weight bullet, it's much more likely to deflect. And since it's already coming in at that downward angle and that oblique angle, you know, law of reflection and refraction, it's going to refract off and reflect in at an opposite angle. And then if it's going through enough of his body tissue, it's going to slow down. And they said it was the bullet was caught just under the skin.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:04

So I I I still am going to stick to my theory here that I'd somebody that's somebody else's, but I I'm thinking it's the most reasonable, which is that he was wearing body armor. This hit about an inch or two below the top of the plate. That took the majority of the force out of the bullet, deflecting it because it wasn't in the middle, it was right at the edge, deflecting the bullet up, which would also explain the disproportionately large size of the incoming hole. It looked like it was about three-quarters of an inch in diameter. Typically, an entry wound from a 300 diameter bullet is less than your pinky fingernail. It is a very, very small hole coming in. Much larger hole.

SPEAKER_05: 1:48:48

Soft points, not necessarily. So, again, going back to the animals that I have shot.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:54

So, okay, all right. But I'm I'm watching a video where they're shooting porks, like pork halves, with these exact same rifle, the exact same rounds, and what they're showing is the size of the incoming hole is very small.

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:07

Well, and again, it's hard to tell how big the hole actually is on the footage because there's a still frame that you can tell pretty well. But that could be blood splatter. We don't, and and here's the other thing Mrs. Kirk has said that Charlie didn't wear body armor.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:21

She asked him to, she begged him to, he occasionally would, yeah, but she did not, he did not look like and what it looks like is it bounced off the body armor, went into the neck in an upwardly direction, likely hit the bottom. But that's not what the coroner is saying, so and then went up into a skull.

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:39

Anyway, we're gonna have to see what the coroner's report says.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:43

Yeah, I mean they'll be able to trace the full path of the bullet now, it needs to be made public pretty quick. If the bullet went in and then back out and then back in again, then I'm gonna have some questions.

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:53

So here's the here's the question though. So uh oh, by the way, we need to make a correction. So us and everybody else, everyone was reporting this that Charlie Kirk's wife and kids were in attendance. Yeah, they were nearby, they were at they were in the town, but they were not physically there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:11

Oh, I didn't realize that. I thought they were physically there.

SPEAKER_05: 1:50:14

No, and I I thought that too. That's whatever. That's good. So at least the kids didn't get to see that. So at least the kids were spared that. Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's that's nasty.

SPEAKER_05: 1:50:23

By the way, if you haven't watched it, go watch Crowder's video on what we he put it out about three days ago.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:30

I watched it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:50:31

What we know, what we think we know, what we don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:33

It's a very good analysis. He he has been rocks and roll lately. Yeah. I agree. And you know me, I'm I'm not the big fan of him because the way he treated the uh his exit. Or not even his exit, I that wasn't the exit, but how he treated the the uh the offer that he got from the boys, sir. Yeah. And but you know, I'm I'm gonna call somebody uh out for being good at something. I don't care where they're coming from. And in this particular case, I think he's just been killing it with both his commentary and the work that they've been doing putting things together and making summaries. Very good job. It might it might get me to even pony up for mug club.

SPEAKER_05: 1:51:21

Well, if you pony up for mug club, you get rumble premium, which also gives you Tim stuff and everything else.

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:27

Oh, that's true. That's a good point, yeah. Yeah, because I I hardly ever watch Daily Wire, even though I pay for it. But you know, my masath handler told me to, so I'm just gonna do that. And on that note We done? We're gonna wrap her up.

SPEAKER_05: 1:51:52

Alright, Gene. We'll talk to you next week. We'll see y'all next week.