SPEAKER_00: 0:50

Howdy Ben, how are you today? Gene, I am doing good.

SPEAKER_06: 0:55

I can't complain.

SPEAKER_00: 0:56

Well I can't. I mean, come on. Stuffing things.

SPEAKER_05: 1:05

Yeah. Well, you know, I'm working right now on a big IDIQ bid, so that's uh it's always fun.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15

If you say so. Last time we were gonna record, you had a cold or something. You over that?

SPEAKER_05: 1:26

Yeah, I've s uh I've still got a little bit of a cough and stuff. Okay. You know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30

Not a flu, just a cold.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33

Yeah, just runny nose and a cough. I see.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36

Alright. Well, glad you're feeling better. So should we kick it off with Thanksgiving?

SPEAKER_05: 1:45

Uh we can if you we're gonna kick it off whenever we want.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47

We kinda that was I think right after our last episode. So I actually drove down five hours to have Thanksgiving with you and your family. That was fun.

SPEAKER_05: 1:59

Yeah, and you're supposed to stay, but you turned around for whatever reason.

SPEAKER_00: 2:03

Yeah, I did turn around.

SPEAKER_05: 2:04

It's like, well, that was a lot.

SPEAKER_00: 2:06

Well, I mean, okay I was also late, which was I mean, I I can't say it was totally not my fault because I I could have planned for traffic and left earlier, but I left when I looked up the directions, it said oh, we should get there in four hours and 15 minutes or something. So that's what I planned on leaving. And then right about the time I was about 20 miles from Houston, traffic came to a crawl. And apparently everybody was driving to Thanksgiving that day, which again should not be a surprise. So I I take certainly some to blame for that, but but also it wasn't my fault, it was traffic. But there was plenty of food there, obviously, when I got there. Yeah, you guys had a pretty big crowd. Was that all the mostly relatives or friends and relatives?

SPEAKER_05: 2:59

Or that was all relatives and friend there.

SPEAKER_00: 3:03

Holy shit, man. Yeah, there's a lot of people, dude.

SPEAKER_05: 3:08

Yeah, you do. And that wasn't everybody, that was a small group.

SPEAKER_00: 3:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 3:13

Yeah, we had about 45 people there.

SPEAKER_00: 3:15

Yeah, it's and and not that many kids either.

SPEAKER_05: 3:19

Well, most of the little kids, yeah, most of the ones with the little kids didn't come.

SPEAKER_00: 3:24

Yeah. So, but yeah, always good stuff. They're stuff. You and your folks in person, not just virtually. Not just through texting or we we we enjoyed having.

SPEAKER_04: 3:36

It was fun. And we we ate we had some good food, didn't we?

SPEAKER_00: 3:38

Yeah, food was very good. No, it's there was even though I showed up late, there was no end to the food that was sitting out in the kitchen, and I had a couple of plates worth. I had some smoked turkey, which was very good. Uh-huh. And, you know, the usual's sweet potatoes were very good.

SPEAKER_05: 3:59

Uh my mom made the sweet potatoes. Did you try the uh sheep egg salad? I did. Yep. Yeah, what'd you think?

SPEAKER_00: 4:06

I'm not as I'm not, I mean, it's alright.

SPEAKER_04: 4:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 4:11

Not my thing. Desserts were way too much. Vegetables, not my thing, exactly. The desserts were like there's probably ten different pie offerings and then bread pudding and a few other things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 4:24

Did you did you try the banana pudding?

SPEAKER_00: 4:27

I did try a little bit of the banana pudding. I'm I'm usually not a huge fan, but it was it was very good.

SPEAKER_05: 4:32

My cousin, my cousin's wife, Kristen, uh, she's the one who makes that. And she all like I'm not a big fan of banana pudding either and stuff, but it's always just like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_00: 4:42

Yeah, she's got a down pat for sure. Yeah. Good time. Hopefully, people that are in America celebrated and had a good time at their Thanksgiving. And those of you that are not in the US, you should start celebrating it anyway. Because Thanksgiving is really, you know, it's it, I don't think it's really a whole lot of celebrating the first fall festival in America, as much as maybe that's what it began as. But it's really more of just a celebration of friends and family, and you know, remembering people that maybe no longer with us and just being thankful for where we are.

SPEAKER_05: 5:22

Well, I mean, yeah, it it's really a civil war tradition, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 5:27

Yeah, yeah, it's a civil war tradition, but you know, the the way that it's always described and the memes are of, you know, pilgrims chasing turkeys. So but as John C. Dwarak always explains on his happy story hour with the grumpy host, that it you're absolutely right, is that this this was a a phony made-up holiday created post-civil war.

SPEAKER_01: 6:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 6:04

And I don't care because it's a Thursday holiday, which means that it's a four-day weekend.

SPEAKER_05: 6:12

Or if you're like me, you took off all week.

SPEAKER_00: 6:15

Or you could take all week and then still work. Yes. If you're anyway.

SPEAKER_05: 6:22

Yeah. Well, it is what it is. So where do you want to start? Do you want to start with? I mean, because this was a busy, this was actually a busy week.

SPEAKER_00: 6:34

Well, it's it was about two weeks for us, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 6:38

Well, I'm talking news week this week.

SPEAKER_00: 6:40

Yeah, the this week versus the Thanksgiving week. Uh why you pick one. Where do you want to start?

SPEAKER_05: 6:45

Alright. So Mike Lindell, the my pillow guy, is running against Tim Walls for governor. Yeah. Scandal with Tim Walls. I I bet you he's gonna end up resigning, dude.

SPEAKER_00: 6:59

I'd be hilarious if that was the case.

SPEAKER_05: 7:02

He's Tim Walls has even said people are driving by his house calling him retarded.

SPEAKER_00: 7:07

Which he is. He clearly is. Something is wrong with him. Yes. Well, you show you you saw him handling a firearm before. Yeah, retarded came to mind. I you know, it could happen. I remember uh in the 80s, Minnesota had a Republican governor. Minnesota had Jesse Ventura. Well, Minnesota had uh Jesse Ventura. That's about as conspiracy theory, wacky zany as you can get.

SPEAKER_05: 7:36

Yeah, I mean my Mike might win.

SPEAKER_00: 7:39

You never know.

SPEAKER_04: 7:40

That'll be a very interesting thing.

SPEAKER_00: 7:41

If it's a three-way, if they can manage to do a three-way run, then Mike would win for sure. Just going up against the Somali, which is probably what it would be, he may still win. Because I think there are plenty of people in in Minnesota in the outlying areas that have had about enough of the Somalis.

SPEAKER_05: 8:00

Well, not only that, but now IC has gone into Dearborn and is deporting a shit out of all.

SPEAKER_00: 8:05

Yeah, which they should. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 8:07

They did you see what Christine Ohm had to say today about Dearborn and the fraud and the visas?

SPEAKER_00: 8:12

Yeah. Dude. Uh she is uh definitely living up to her South Park character meme.

SPEAKER_01: 8:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 8:22

Yeah. No, I I think she is as long as she doesn't take herself too seriously, I I like her. The problem gets to where people like that start taking themselves too seriously. You gotta have that sort of JD Vance type attitude where you you can be Yeah, you you could be right, you could say the right things, but still kind of be able to laugh at yourself. And so I I think as long as she does that, I I think she'll she'll be one of the people remembered as a positive thing from this administration. Unlike the attorney general that we have.

SPEAKER_05: 9:10

Did you see the deportation numbers so far? Trump and team have deported over two million this year.

SPEAKER_00: 9:18

Now, is that coming close to what Obama was deporting?

SPEAKER_05: 9:21

Yes. He was at like 1.8, 1.7. Oh, it's better than Obama.

SPEAKER_00: 9:25

Okay, I thought that Trump still hadn't crossed over Obama numbers.

SPEAKER_05: 9:29

Yeah, but they're they're getting there, they're building it back up, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 9:32

Yeah, building up less than a month to go.

SPEAKER_05: 9:35

Well, and you know, hey, it it's it's all good. Yeah, we've got a lot of really good things. Yeah. This time of year we look back and we should be very thankful versus the alternative.

SPEAKER_00: 9:47

I I have to say that on like on par, Trump has been a better first year president than I expected by a long shot.

SPEAKER_05: 10:23

I thought that he would be second term president.

SPEAKER_00: 10:27

First year of the second term, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. I thought that his goal was just to get elected, that he didn't really have too much of a plan thereafter.

SPEAKER_06: 10:35

Oh, they have to be able to get it.

SPEAKER_00: 10:36

But he has proven himself to have just been running non-stop. And he's got another year to go of having to run non-stop before he loses the Congress. So I don't I don't know that he will. There's it it it the Republican Party right now is very divided, and the divided party does not win.

SPEAKER_05: 11:01

I don't know that the party is that divided. I think the online personalities are.

SPEAKER_00: 11:08

Well, I'll I'll tell you who they've lost.

SPEAKER_05: 11:10

Are we done with Minnesota Minnesota? Are we?

SPEAKER_00: 11:12

Oh, yeah, unless you want to talk more about it. I mean, it's I would love to at some point in my life actually go visit Minnesota and have Minnesota look like what I remember Minnesota looking like in the 1980s. I don't think it'll happen, but it'd be awesome if it did. And what I mean by that isn't just, you know, the weather and all the 10,000 lakes, it's actually 20,000 there, but but it was just a very it was like Scandinavia in the US. Like 80% of the people I went to school with were of Swedish or Norwegian ancestry. Easily 80%. Like if we had somebody that was Irish, that was a weird thing. It was a very northern European kind of place. And I wasn't like deep in the, you know, I was I was in the suburbs of Minneapolis. I was definitely in the burbs, I wasn't in the city, but Minnesota was sort of like what Garrison Keeler's Lake Wolob the Lake Wobagan stories were like. Like those were very read any of those. Okay. Well Yeah, and he did he did write books, so that there are quite a few stories, but really they were they were read by the author, they were performances on National Public Radio back in the eighties and nineties. And I think they actually yeah, they did make a movie where he was in the movie based on that as well. But they're just sort of you know, stories of small town life of the Norwegianer n Norwegian bachelor farmers and and the Swedish guys that they're they're constantly arguing with. It was a very different Minnesota, and that was the Minnesota that I grew up in, that I lived in. And I I certainly didn't leave in the 80s, so I I did stick around a little bit to see it change for the worse. But I I think it is neat when there are places that have the same families living there, the same culture that originally came there and settled the land. Kind of like what was that show? The Laura Engels Wilder thing, Little House on the Prairie. Which you probably never saw either, because that was before your time.

SPEAKER_05: 13:53

No, but I read the books.

SPEAKER_00: 13:54

Oh, you did? Okay, I've never read the books, I just watched the TV show.

SPEAKER_05: 13:58

Oh, dude, I grew up reading the books.

SPEAKER_00: 14:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 14:01

Little House on the Prairie, Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew, all of that I grew up reading.

SPEAKER_00: 14:07

Well, then you you have some sense of what what the the grandchildren of the characters in those books were like, which is they were not from Somalia.

SPEAKER_05: 14:20

Pretty pretty obvious. And I love that Trump's calling it, you know, shithole countries, and uh that Ilan Omar is a garbage person.

SPEAKER_00: 14:28

I mean it's oh he yeah, he doesn't haul back. It's it is pretty fun.

SPEAKER_05: 14:32

And the Babylon Bee put out a fucking hilarious meme. Well, I haven't looked at the biggest that the Black Hawk the Black Hawk Down remake is to be filmed in Minneapolis.

SPEAKER_00: 14:42

Oh wow, holy cow. Yeah. That's awesome. That's uh Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 14:52

They could be like that for sure. The the trolling, and then these Franklin memes, dude. These there's no when the publisher when the publisher complained, the the response, sorry, he belongs to us now.

SPEAKER_00: 15:07

So okay, I was gonna ask about that because obviously I don't have kids, so I don't have any kids' books. So that's a real character from real books that people are just using AI to create new covers for, basically, right?

SPEAKER_04: 15:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 15:21

Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, frankly, the what the publisher ought to do is just take these ideas and actually run with them and publish the books, and they would probably sell ten times as many books. You imagine if they like reply to a something piece like this with a buy your book now.

SPEAKER_05: 15:41

Or just here, we're gonna make these covers if for anyone who wants one.

SPEAKER_00: 15:50

Yeah, I think that would be a smart move on their part, which probably means they're not gonna do it. It's usually how that goes.

SPEAKER_01: 15:59

But yeah, it's pretty wild, man. That's it's a that I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 16:09

The book's covers look very real.

SPEAKER_05: 16:16

As he rides his bike past. Yeah, yeah, right. Uh so did you see the Supreme Court decision?

SPEAKER_00: 16:25

Which one?

SPEAKER_05: 16:26

Texas?

SPEAKER_00: 16:27

No.

SPEAKER_05: 16:29

So the Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 that Texas can keep its district redistricting map.

SPEAKER_00: 16:37

Oh, good, good, good. That seemed like such a stupid lawsuit. And the judge's ruling seemed exceedingly partisan because basically saying, look, you could do it, but not until after the next election. Like, what? That's not a ruling. You can't do that. You can't do a time delay just so that somebody doesn't get kicked out of office. That's nuts. Good, good. Well, I'm glad the Supreme Court finally uh did the right thing here. Uh it looked like the one of the not the Supreme Court, but one of the federal courts just got rid of the Georgia lawsuit against Trump.

SPEAKER_05: 17:19

Oh yeah. So that's the that's been gone for a while now, actually.

SPEAKER_00: 17:24

Well, something just happened in the last two days. So it would it or actually today, I think it was today. I got the message for it. I think that the the prosecutor got switched. So the the old one's gone, the new one that came in said there's not enough evidence to pursue this and asked the judge to remove charges.

SPEAKER_05: 17:50

I had seen I had seen the new prosecutor's brief on it. Yeah, asking for judges, but the judge, which means it was almost certainly going to be.

SPEAKER_00: 17:57

Yeah, but the judge didn't, and then it got escalated up to the next level court where they basically said that yeah, we're nothing's gonna happen here. So it's that's good. Yep. I mean, it like I said, the the start of the episode, I I think Trump has been getting surprisingly many wins. Surprising to me mostly because I I guess I just had really low expectations.

SPEAKER_05: 18:27

Well, we're gonna get another really awesome win out of Trump that got announced today. Which one's that? We're finally gonna get the high lux here in the US.

SPEAKER_00: 18:39

Oh, yeah. Hey, I posted that. That's right. Yeah. That is very cool. It's I I didn't realize that the reason we didn't have some of these vehicles was because the US was preventing them from being imported. I thought the companies just decided they weren't gonna be making enough money.

SPEAKER_05: 18:59

Small small utility vehicles like that. Imports essentially have to have four seats. That's why if you remember back in the day, the little so utility vehicles were not allowed to be imported. So if you remember those sideways seats in the back of some of the AD import trucks that no one could ever sit in, right? Those were literally put in there, literally put in there to get past regulations.

SPEAKER_00: 19:22

Yeah, that is ridiculous. Well, glad I'm glad that's changing. That highlights in the video, I would happily own. Oh, I would too. It's it's totally old school. With just just the passenger and the driver, and it's a very it's angular looking in a retro vibe, not a uh not a Tesla vibe. It's very what? It's very angular looking. Square.

SPEAKER_05: 19:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's square. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 19:56

Yeah, it's uh but like angular, but not like a Tesla truck angular. Just like normal square angular. Like utility vehicle, truly. Although I will I will say it looked like the tires on that thing were like 33s or bigger, maybe 35s, because they they looked awesome on that truck, and I suspect uh those were not small tires on there.

SPEAKER_05: 20:23

Yeah, did you see the video I sent in our group chat of the Irish bonfire?

SPEAKER_00: 20:28

I did. I watched it, yeah. The uh the modern Wicker Man that they built up there.

SPEAKER_05: 20:35

Yeah, so they built a bonfire with a whole bunch of immigrants on top, yeah, and burned it.

SPEAKER_00: 20:42

Yeah, not actual immigrants, you gotta be clear, like effigies.

SPEAKER_05: 20:45

Yeah, well, effigies, sure. And you know, the funny part is you combine that with like I had some people tell me, oh no, that IRA video's fake. No, it's not, dude. Like, I think we've got a new IRA coming back. I think the troubles are about to start all over again and for yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:04

Yeah, well, and you know, there's the UK Is a troublemaker. And has been for a long time. So there is a lot to sympathize with the Irish on that with. And I think I think if they manage look, burning effigies looks neat, social media. 99% of the people will never see it because regular media will never report stuff like this. But what is more important is how people vote. Like, can they actually get Irish politicians to do something that changes immigration and not just immigration, but you know, all the related sort of influx of people laws. Because there's I think in a lot of countries, immigration laws exist, but and they may not even be bad, but there's also different sets of laws for getting people that are fleeing their countries for getting what do you call them? There's a term for them, refugees. Right? So a country may have high race stra high regulations around immigration, but much looser regulations about refugees. And I think that this is one area where Poland has been doing great in Europe, at a cost to them, in fact, because Europe, the European Union is like billing that I don't remember how much, but like some X amount of money for every week that they don't allow refugees in their country. So it which again, anyone that wants to tell me that the European Union is not the government of Europe and that it's just some loose body, just doesn't understand European politics. Because what Germany pulled off with support of a few other countries was what they couldn't pull off in World War II, which is to install a government across the entirety of Europe. So it's it may be looser than it would have been if Germany had succeeded, but it's still a trans-European government, and I think a lot of countries that wanted to jump into the EU because they wanted to get some prosperity out of it, have realized that there's an awful lot of negatives that come with being a part of the EU.

SPEAKER_01: 23:42

You got any opinion on that? Not really? Or do we lose Ben?

SPEAKER_00: 23:52

We may have lost Ben again. Hmm. And right after he was talking about how he fixed his internet connectivity to be better and to avoid issues. There you go, now you're back. So once again, we had an issue with your audio.

SPEAKER_05: 24:13

Yeah, sorry, it dropped out. Yeah, I had to unplug and plug it back in. Ugh.

SPEAKER_00: 24:18

Yeah, that's not good. Peace should mounted. Why don't you get something good?

SPEAKER_05: 24:26

Anyway.

SPEAKER_02: 24:27

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05: 24:28

No, I I think we're gonna see the European Union not age so well, especially and I think Ben was saying, well, and it cut him off again.

SPEAKER_00: 24:44

So yeah, all kidding aside, I think he may have a hardware issue, not just a software thing. Because the disconnect seems to be tied to the device and not really tied to what he's running on his computer or his computer network, which is what he was thinking originally. So once again, I'm just leaving this in for you guys, just so you're in the loop. But basically, Ben is trying to reconnect here.

SPEAKER_01: 25:16

Hey Ben, are you back? Are you back? Nope. Why do I not hear you? Huh. And you're not being recorded. That's weird. Okay. Now you're connected. Now you're muted, now you're connected. Oh, there we go. Go ahead and say something. Go ahead and say something. Let's see how this works.

SPEAKER_00: 26:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 26:06

That's damn sure not my network or my bandwidth at this point.

SPEAKER_00: 26:09

No, I know. That's what I was saying when you were gone. It's like, I think it's probably hardware at this point, because it's not going to be your computer, it's not going to be your network. It might be something else, but uh, I don't think it's any either one of those two.

SPEAKER_05: 26:21

Well, I've got a ticket open at this point.

SPEAKER_00: 26:23

Well, anyway, I was just bitching about uh European Union and how I think a lot of countries that jumped into it with both feet are slowly realizing that they're now paying for a big bureaucracy that lets well that that controls them and dictates to them what dumb laws they have to implement in their own countries.

SPEAKER_05: 26:45

Yeah. I one of the things I was saying is I think actually, given the current peace deal with Ukraine, where we're at, so a lot of people criticize the first one as being, oh, it's written by the Russians. But that's not the case. In fact, I actually this is where Zahan and I agree again occasionally. So what happened is all the items that were gonna piss off both parties were put in the deal. Right. And now we're seeing what each side can accept. It wasn't a pro-Russian peace deal at all. It was okay, this is gonna piss everybody off, but let's get to the nut cutting here and get something done. And I think if they don't accept it at this point, there's a high likelihood a all aid from us to Ukraine will stop. And if NATO pushes it or the Europeans push it, we could pull out of NATO. And if we do that, the European Union's done.

SPEAKER_00: 27:51

Yeah, they're well, there's gonna be a lot of countries going bankrupt, is what's gonna happen. Because they're they're basically relying on other funding mechanisms outside of themselves for all these things. So much like socialists tend to, European countries tend to vote in favor of things that other people are paying for. And once they have to pay for them, I think there's gonna be a more of a change of heart. Realistically speaking, and I I saw Zaehan posted a video. I didn't watch the video, but I figured you probably would have. So so he's saying the same thing, he's saying that this was a deal nobody liked.

SPEAKER_06: 28:39

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 28:42

Alright. Interesting.

SPEAKER_05: 28:46

Well he's actually been pretty pro-Trump lately.

SPEAKER_00: 28:51

Really? Interesting.

SPEAKER_05: 28:54

Yeah, on economic policies and some other things, he's been yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 28:58

Well, he's always kind of presented himself as not in either of the parties.

SPEAKER_05: 29:04

But he's very liberal.

SPEAKER_00: 29:05

I mean, but he is liberal.

SPEAKER_05: 29:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 29:08

And not every gay guy is liberal. The majority.

SPEAKER_00: 29:16

Yeah, I I I just think the ones that are not liberal are not as outwardly gay, so you may not even notice. Which he's not. Which yeah, he's not, but he does have the the mannerisms and stuff. He's I don't know. I I've never heard him uh ever talk about anything related to a boyfriend, girlfriend, partner, or any of the like. But yeah, I think I think his Ahan could easily be on the Trump side if he feels Trump is aligned with him. He's not gonna change his alignment, but if he feels like Trump is doing stuff that he's been wanting, then he's not gonna have a problem. Like, I don't think he has TDS, I think he's just liberal.

SPEAKER_03: 30:28

Yeah, that's where I'd put him.

SPEAKER_00: 30:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what else? What else we want to jump into?

SPEAKER_05: 30:39

I don't know. You got a topic? I mean, it'd be all me today.

SPEAKER_00: 30:43

No, no, it's I well, the the main topic I've been covering, as you know, is Candace Owens.

SPEAKER_05: 30:49

And uh, dude, and her flame we're with Tim now. Jesus. You saw what Turning Point put out.

SPEAKER_00: 30:57

That's what I was gonna talk about. So Turning Point put out a video, the first of potentially several coming, that effectively says no, she's full of shit to everything that Candace has said about him. About stuff going out with Charlie, stuff going out with Turning Point. People have been asking them why aren't you making a video to you know refute anything?

SPEAKER_05: 31:23

Their answer was pretty good.

SPEAKER_00: 31:24

Yeah, I I agree. And there is something to be said for the idea of like, look, she was a friend with Charlie for a long time, then they kind of parted ways, but not maliciously, they just sort of weren't doing anything together, which I think is all normal, but somehow it wasn't until after Charlie got murdered that Candace started going through all her text messages with him from many years ago, because notice there weren't any recent ones that she's ever posted, so it looked like they they basically kind of headed in different directions about two years ago. Which incidentally was before Candace got on the whole blame the Jews kick as well.

SPEAKER_05: 32:13

So I I think I think it's actually the I think Candace I think I think Tim Poole hit the nail on the head, especially with the interpretation of the text. I I feel like an alien I'm a time traveler, that sort of yes. I think Candace had a crush on Charlie. Oh, and that's why she's going after Erica and everything else.

SPEAKER_00: 32:38

Yeah, I said that when this whole thing started, in either maybe even on the podcast, but if not on the podcast for sure, on X, that after about a week of her posting messages, the undertone was extremely visible. This is a girl who's really into a boy who's not into her talking to that boy. Like the way that their texts went was in I've seen it plenty of times in the past, and it's basically somebody who is pretending to be a friend, but deep down is hoping for romance and not getting it. So so the messages from Charlie, friendly, but not like endearing or sweet. There's nothing about them that's and flirty is even over. I think that's like I don't think hers were flirty, but they were definitely overly endearing. You know what I mean? They're they were kind of they were like the messages of somebody that is wanting a lot more than what exists there. This is this is typical type behavior, and so you know, Charlie was married at that point, she was married at that point. They both had kids, I think, already. Yeah, they did for sure by that point, but I think there was still something that never went away from her back from her days of working for Dennis Spreger when she first met Charlie. I think Devin Sprager is the guy who introduced him, and I think she fell in love with Charlie.

SPEAKER_05: 34:16

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_00: 34:18

And that's you know, that's that.

SPEAKER_05: 34:22

So, yeah. Anything else on the Candace side?

SPEAKER_00: 34:26

Well, it she's agreed to have the the thing. To have, I guess, I don't know, debate, whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_05: 34:34

Sit down with them in their studio, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 34:36

Yeah. I mean, it could be anything from a conversation to a what the fuck to to whatever.

SPEAKER_05: 34:43

I expect to walk out.

SPEAKER_00: 34:45

Really? You think she's just gonna I don't think she's gonna show.

SPEAKER_05: 34:50

I think she's gonna show. I think she's gonna bring some of her stuff, and they're gonna hit her with counterpoints, and then she's gonna walk out.

SPEAKER_00: 34:56

Okay, well, so that's your prediction. My prediction is she'll initially agree, but at some point before the event, she's gonna back off and say, I've just been notified by the French Foreign Intelligence office that there is going to be a juice sniper sitting there and waiting for me when I get to their studio. And so, for the sake of my children, I'm not going to take that chance. So I'll I'll bet you dollar sedonus that comes out of her mouth.

SPEAKER_05: 35:28

Maybe something like it. She's she's like, I I have watched a lot of people go off the deep end, but damn.

SPEAKER_00: 35:38

She's just she's smoking her own product. I mean, that's the problem. It's like you can have fun with conspiracies, and you can even believe some of them, but you could talk about a lot of them without necessarily believing all of them. In a lot of ways, I think Alec Jones was quite successful at this. But she is 100% convinced that what she's talking about is not a conspiracy theory, it is an actual truth that she is uncovering. And I mean, to some degree, her personality has to be susceptible to this type of behavior. That's just a personality thing. What some people are saying is they're kind of blaming her husband because he is of the particular sect of Catholicism that is very how do I describe it? Like an Orthodox type Catholicism that believes in which sect is he, do you know? I don't remember, but it's it's the it's the guys that have it's if you if you read the book about oh shit, what was the book called? It was about Notre Dame and all these this dude from America flying out there to solve these puzzles. Tom Hanks played them in a movie. God, what was the book called? Anyway, the the the bad guys in that book are from the sect that this guy's in. But it's it's one of it's it's one of those kind of sects that thinks that the modern day Catholic, and by modern day I mean the last couple hundred years, have been going in the wrong direction, and and that like they don't consider Protestants to be Christians, for example. They're heretics. Jews are literally working for the devil. They've got all these beliefs that that they're tying back to a particular interpretation coming from certain popes, than not accepting the the more modern Catholic Pope's doctrine. So I don't know. I mean, again, I that her husband may be into that stuff. You never know. I mean, British monarchy is a product of incest, so I wouldn't be surprised. But at the same time, her personality has to be such that that type of idea takes root. So I'm not letting her off the hook and just blaming somebody else for uh for getting her brainwashed.

SPEAKER_05: 38:33

I am trying like crazy to figure out what you mean, and I think I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_00: 38:40

The movie? Here, I'll look it up. I just need to find out No, it's fine.

SPEAKER_05: 38:44

Okay, but you're talking about the people who self-flagellate.

SPEAKER_00: 38:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 38:51

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 39:00

The movie was the Da Vinci Code. Right. And and the book was actually better than the movie by usually, as usually is the case. But in that Da Vinci Code, the the main sort of antagonist is a member of this uh this Catholic order.

SPEAKER_05: 39:23

And I I know the name, but it's just on the tip of my tongue and I can't remember it. But anyway. Moving on. What do you think of the double tap? The double tap, what do you mean? On the Venezuelan boat.

SPEAKER_00: 39:38

Oh. Where they're not. I think it's a nothing burger. Honestly, I just think it's a nothing burger. It has long been US standard operating procedure to do a double tap, and we've done that in videos that we have of uh all the Obama kills that were performed. Uh, about two-thirds of them utilize a double tap.

SPEAKER_05: 40:09

Yep. So the reason Hegseth didn't even order it. Right. And that's that's why in the area did.

SPEAKER_00: 40:17

That's why I didn't think it was a or I I think it's a nothing burger, is because there's nothing there.

SPEAKER_05: 40:21

There's all this news about unlawful orders and war crimes.

SPEAKER_00: 40:25

You know, people just have been so brainwashed by the media into this concept called international law. There is no such thing, it literally does not exist. There's no such thing as international law. And if you want to have an international court, the only reason that an international court exists is because it's backed up by the muscle of a country that sponsors it. Without the US, there is no international court. It it there just isn't. It's irrelevant. It doesn't matter what some dude from Botswana rules about somebody from you know Pakistan. It's not a thing. Um but then again, I'm also a bit of an extremist on this, as you know, because I just Don't believe in rules of war either. I think war should be minimized in duration, and to do that, you have to win, and you have to win by any means necessary. So my take is that when you actually engage in war, when one country is at war with another country, there are no civilians. I don't consider anyone civilians in that. There are civilians of third-party countries that are not part of the engagement, and if you kill one of those by mistake, that's a bat on you. But as far as whether you bomb Dresden or whether you you bomb Gaza or you bomb you know any other country, when you're at war, you're at war, it's all good.

SPEAKER_05: 42:02

And that's fine, but the problem I have, especially with your Dresden example, is a lot of what we were accusing the Nazis of doing for war crimes, we were doing equally horrible shit. Well, I don't know about that. I mean it it firebombing an unstrategic city, waiting till help comes in and then doing it again is pretty egregious.

SPEAKER_00: 42:27

That's no, that's good tactics. That's not egregious. That's exactly what we should be doing. And it's not it's not without a reason. The reason is what you just said. The reason is to show them the futility of fighting you. It's the same reason that Vlad Sapish didn't just kill his enemies, he put a pole through their assholes and stuck them up on those poles for everybody to see. So entire fields were covered with blood and people that were on poles. Because that's the kind of shit that explains to your enemies that if you want to fight me, I'm not gonna fight fair, I'm gonna fight to win, as I think every country should.

SPEAKER_05: 43:12

By the way, it was Opus Day.

SPEAKER_00: 43:14

Opus Day, there you go. That that's I just remembered it. That's what he's a member of, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 43:19

Ah, Jesus. Yeah, well, yeah. I I I think I I'm more of the Robert E. Lee school of war, but that's also part of the reason why the South lost is they weren't willing to do what sure.

SPEAKER_00: 43:33

The gentleman soldiers, yes.

SPEAKER_05: 43:35

Yeah, yeah. So my take on Venezuela, I don't think we're gonna I don't think we're gonna install a new government in Caracas. I think we're gonna take out Madero and then let them do whatever. But what I do think we're gonna do is we're gonna go into Guiana and say this disputed territory between Venezuela and Guiana. Now ours. It's Guiana's. And no, it's Guiana's, and Guiana, you're gonna give us the oil contracts. Right.

SPEAKER_00: 44:00

Yeah. I got all kinds of noises going off because we're recording at a non-standard time, and I set alarms. So that's the noises you you hear there.

SPEAKER_05: 44:12

I didn't hear them, so I did.

SPEAKER_00: 44:15

I don't know if the microphone did. Yeah, I I think that's that's probably a realistic scenario. The only thing that I'm like 80% sure of is Maduro's done. He's out of there.

SPEAKER_05: 44:27

Yeah, if Maduro's gone, dude, I think Cuba collapses.

SPEAKER_00: 44:32

You think that's the only thing propping him up?

SPEAKER_05: 44:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 44:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 44:37

And I think when Cuba collapses, we go in there and it becomes the next Puerto Rico.

SPEAKER_00: 44:43

Oh, that would be awesome, dude. It's it's only 80 miles away, it's much bigger. It had in the past been a great destination for American tourism. I mean, it's got everything going for it. It honestly, it's like Iran, right? If you change the government in Iran to a Western style government, not a theocracy, Iran really genuinely should be like the most touristy Middle Eastern country. Because unlike all the Arabian countries, they're not sitting on a bunch of sand. Like they have mountains.

SPEAKER_05: 45:25

It's actually a pretty country.

SPEAKER_00: 45:26

Yeah, it is a pretty country. I've got a restaurant down here that I that I occasionally go to that has a bunch of photos from Iran. So they're you know, Iranian immigrants from way back when.

SPEAKER_05: 45:37

Yeah, yeah. I yeah, well, I so one of my college friends was his family fled the falling of the Shah.

SPEAKER_02: 45:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 45:44

And you know, they they have a little kebab restaurant here in town, and I knew his mom and sister and everybody, and anyway, great food. But yeah, they were Iranian Christians, and the Shah was falling. His dad and his mom were still pretty young, but they were together and they got out.

SPEAKER_00: 46:05

Yep. Yeah, which is great, but it's not like the Shah was like the best, you know, option either. Because if you watch some documentaries about him, he was pretty damn corrupt, and and he definitely lived like a very stereotypical Shaw. Well, you know, like I don't want to say dictator, but you know what I mean. Like a guy, like anyone that runs a country for a long time tends to. While his populace may have good years and bad years, why may they may be dealing with hyperinflation and other things? His biggest concern is is gonna be, you know, is who's the new addition to his harem and what kind of. No, no, no, no. He had a great looking wife. He did not have a harem, but he was a it was a joke, Jesus. I I get it, I get it. I know. It's it's see that that's the thing. Like the Persians would make a joke like that about Arabians. Because they're the ones that aren't civilized. Well, like Persian civilization is an old civilized civilization that is currently being held hostage by these theocratic Islamists.

SPEAKER_01: 47:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 47:20

I I have great respect for Persia. Uh here's the thing out of all the Muslim countries, Iran actually has one of the lowest inbreeding rates. Versus Saudi Arabia and so on, it's pretty high. Yeah. Theirs is only at 38.6%. Like Saudi Arabia is like 60 something.

SPEAKER_00: 47:39

Yep.

SPEAKER_05: 47:40

Persians generally. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah. But and that's only counting first cousins. Right. If you go beyond first cousins, it's even more than that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 47:55

Yeah, it's uh a lot of those.

SPEAKER_05: 47:57

But but you know, the even in this country though, you know, second cousins were taught called kissing cousins, right?

SPEAKER_00: 48:03

Mm-hmm. So you know, in the olden days, the way this was done when the everyone was a Bedouin, is that you you exchanged your girls. Yep. So when you meet another tribe, that's you, you know, you have a big old ceremony and you basically swapped the girls so that all the men are gonna end up having somebody that's not related to them to marry. Or well, you know, who cares, marriage, just to have kids with, ultimately.

SPEAKER_05: 48:35

Anyway, I ultimately with this Venezuelan thing, I think this is the exercise of the Neo Monroe doctrine, and I don't think that there will be I like it. I don't think there will be a coun a country in this hemisphere that will not be either abjectively a new US territory or a puppet government run by the US.

SPEAKER_00: 49:01

Or just friendly.

SPEAKER_05: 49:03

Yeah, sure. Canada can really suck up and you know be very friendly. Argentina can suck up and be very friendly, but as soon as you defy us, yeah, like Maduro is doing, saying this is colonialist and how dare you shut down our airspace. Yeah, well, I didn't even officially do it, dude, but all the airlines listened anyway, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 49:23

Well, and also I don't know how anyone can use the word colonialist that is a government of the Americas, South or North, because literally all the countries here are the resort of colonization. There's not a single country that is made up of its ancient native people.

SPEAKER_05: 49:43

And that's not a bad thing.

SPEAKER_00: 49:45

I'm not making a value judgment. I'm just saying using the word colonialism is a little ridiculous in this context. Yeah. So, yeah, I would I would definitely say that. And I think Venezuela historically, like other than politics, was well known for the beauty of its women. There have been a lot of I knew a Venezuelan girl in college. Did you? Was she hot? She was cute. They've had a disproportionately that's perfect. Disproportionately You would have liked her. Yeah, I'm sure I would I would have.

SPEAKER_05: 50:23

Not enough TNA for me.

SPEAKER_00: 50:25

Uh-huh. Venezuela has the had a disproportionate amount of Miss Universe or Miss World or whatever contest winners. They they tend to have just enough of the native Indian type DNA to have those big Pocahontas eyes and you know, shiny, beautiful long black hair, but enough European features that they they definitely look European. And I think that if countries like Colombia and Venezuela could just keep governments under control and and and keep the mob out of con under control, effectively they need to stop having drugs be their main products. If they can do that, they've got an awful lot to offer. Because again, like flying to Venezuela, just about three and a half hours. It's less time than it takes me to fly to Seattle.

SPEAKER_05: 51:24

Well, and not only that, the you know, before the communists took over in Venezuela, they were a pretty rich nation. They had rill, they had everything, you know, they were robbing. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00: 51:33

Yeah, and then they national that resources, or or at least a resource, let's put it that way.

SPEAKER_05: 51:44

So they're not they've also got some potential mining resources as well, but I haven't I haven't looked at all into what all they got, but yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_00: 51:54

You you did we talk about the Salton Sea? Did you see that article? No. You know the Salton Sea in California? You've been there? No. Never heard of it? Okay, you can Google it. The Salton Sea is a drying hyper salty inland lake.

SPEAKER_05: 52:14

Real quick, just to wrap up on Venezuela. So oil and gas, iron ore, but one of the ones that would interest us is bauxite, gold, and diamonds. What is this place in California? Salt and sea.

SPEAKER_00: 52:32

Salt and sea. It was a artificially accidentally created giant freshwater lake that ended up turning salt water and ultimately drying up and uh where the the level of salinity has increased to a point where all fish died.

SPEAKER_05: 52:58

So it was kind of great lake, or like salt lake.

SPEAKER_00: 53:02

Yeah. But worse. Well, no, not worse, but not like there's still water there. It's just it's an interesting place. If you ever get a chance, go check it out. There's some awesome photos from the like 1920s, 1930s of people vacationing there. It used to be a great vacation spot where a lot of rich people went and poor people for you know, water sports. It was the largest lake in California. I think it was the largest lake west of the Mississippi when it was a lake. And the way it was created was basically because there was an accident in diverting the Colorado River for farming operations very early on, like 100 years ago or so, over a hundred years ago, which led to essentially the water going away from the channels that were built and then flooding this deep depression in the California desert that ended up becoming this giant lake. And uh they fixed the problem several years later, after the lake was created, so that because obviously the intent was not to create a lake where water just evaporates because it's freaking hot. The the intent was to divert the river for agricultural purposes for irrigating farmland, and so they essentially cut off the water supply, but it was still evaporating at a pretty high pace, and also by dumping that much water onto the desert depression there, it started absorbing, or you know, salt started melting out of the sand and going into the water because obviously, like most of southern United States, this all used to be underwater millions of years ago, and so there is an awful lot of still uh salt underneath desert sand in a lot of places, including California, and so it became salty, and that salt initially it was kind of a cool thing, right? Because you can go, they imported saltwater fish to put in there, and it was just like their own little private playground miniature ocean. But as the water kept evaporating, it started wiping everything out. So if you go there, it's it looks surreal because you have streets like fairly large neighborhoods with not a single house anywhere. You have gas stations that are still standing but completely dilapidated. If you go to the actual beach, when you walk, it looks sandy, but when you step on it, it's kind of soft and you hear a crunchy sound because the entire coastline is tens, if not hundreds, of feet, of fish bones. It's dead fish.

SPEAKER_05: 56:04

So so where are you going with this?

SPEAKER_00: 56:06

So where I'm going with this is recently, within the last month, it was discovered that underneath the Salton Sea is the largest lithium deposit in the world. And it's ours. Well, California's, but we we should steal it from them. So the point being is you know how with all the lithium battery consumption it it's been feeling very much like the US is screwed because we have to import all the lithium that we have? Yeah. Well, it turns out we don't need to import it all. We just need to get some permits to drain the rest of the water.

SPEAKER_01: 56:50

And of course it's already at in the quartz, as you can imagine.

SPEAKER_05: 56:56

Well, but that's gonna be held up for a while because what do you do with all that brackish water?

SPEAKER_00: 57:02

Oh, you could probably put up some desalination plants, make the water actually fresh water again, and then get a bunch of salt, and then uh which was originally there anyway, and you're certainly gonna end up with a bigger industrial area once you start getting the lithium out of there. So it just I I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_05: 57:24

Yeah, you know, this this have you you've read Thomas Paine's Common Sense, right?

SPEAKER_02: 57:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 57:30

So I'm gonna paraphrase because I it's been a while since I've read it. But he in Thomas Payne Thomas Paine's argument, which he was arguing he would he was a pro-revolutionist, right? And part of his argument was that we are so blessed to be on this land, and you know, we have the trees to build the boats, we have all these natural resources. I don't think he understood how deeply true that would be, you know, several hundred years later. Yeah. But you know, America really is blessed because of our geography and our natural resources. We are the richest country in the world, not because we've taken it from the rest of the world, but because of literally the land we sit on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 58:18

Yeah, it it's it's true in a lot of ways. You know, there are there are obviously areas rich in other things in other places in the world as well. But the thing that's I think fairly unique to North America, so it really kind of Canada falls into this as well, not just the United States, is the diversity of natural resources that we have is tremendous.

SPEAKER_05: 58:43

And not only that, but our river network to transport it.

SPEAKER_00: 58:47

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 58:47

Like the the United States is more navigable rivers than the rest of the world combined.

SPEAKER_00: 58:54

Yeah, navigable rivers and deep ocean ports.

SPEAKER_05: 58:58

Well, and the the most deep ocean ports. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 59:01

We, you know, uh if you're gonna colonize a land, this is a pretty damn good land to colonize.

SPEAKER_05: 59:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 59:09

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05: 59:10

Anyway. Alright, so lithium, cool.

SPEAKER_00: 59:13

Yeah, so there you go. Now I'm sure Elon Musk is trying to figure out ways to buy it, the whole thing.

SPEAKER_05: 59:19

What do you think of Brian Cole Jr.?

SPEAKER_00: 59:23

Who's he?

SPEAKER_05: 59:25

The guy that they just arrested today for the DC pipe bomb.

SPEAKER_00: 59:29

Oh, okay. I did read a little blurb about that. I don't know anything beyond that. I don't even know if he was do we know what what political bent he had? I always assumed it was just the an FBI person that planted the pipe bomb. Uh-huh. But I, you know, that may be incorrect. That was just my default assumption.

SPEAKER_01: 59:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 59:54

I was hoping you'd know more, but he did something for Patel or someone.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:01

Yeah. What's up with the look on Patel's face, dude?

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:06

What what do you mean?

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:08

Every every time he's in in front of a camera these days, he's got a look on his face like a cat that just ate a chipmunk.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:20

You know, like What is that even supposed to mean?

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:22

Well, it's supposed to mean like oh, there's nothing here to see. There's nothing going on. I got nothing here. Look away. That kind of look.

SPEAKER_06: 1:00:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:34

I I wish I knew why. I wish I knew what that was about. I mean, the guy claims to have read the entirety of the Epstein files and says, Trust me, there's nothing there. It's that's not what you tell somebody if you want them to trust you that there's nothing there. If you want somebody to trust you there's nothing there, you start going into all kinds of useless, boring details and let the person come at their own conclusion to the fact, well, this is nothing. Why, you know, why do we spend so much time on this? If you want people to keep one Then you just tell them, trust me, there's nothing here. Human nature. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:24

I'm hoping I'm hoping we see a lot of things come out. I hope the Epstein files do get released, and it was Trump trying to hold on to you know make it a next year surprise for the midterms, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:48

Yeah, I I still am gonna hold on to my original supposition is that we'll never find out.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:00

If they could have come up with a good positive way to spin something from the Epstein files, they would have done it by now. The fact that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans want to do this, to me, just simply indicates that it's an American issue. It's not a Republican issue, it's not a Democrat issue.

SPEAKER_05: 1:02:20

I fully exp like I think if the truth actually came out, two-thirds of Congress would be gone.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:25

Yeah, that could be the case too. That could be the case, exactly. So what do you do with people that can make laws that don't want something to come out?

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:41

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:42

I mean, what like what do you do in that situation? These people literally can just ensure that your life is gonna be miserable if you do something that pisses them off.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:04

So it's I think it's well beyond whistleblower when you're talking like you could be a whistleblower for a politician or for an agency, but you can't be the whistleblower for the entirety of America.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:23

Or the entirety of the Congress.

SPEAKER_05: 1:03:25

I mean, if I had the Epstein files, I don't care who's mentioned in it, I would be releasing them. I don't know, dude. But I want to see the sun bitch burn, so that's me.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:38

Yeah, but is your desire to have like is your desire for justice or if your desire just curiosity?

SPEAKER_05: 1:03:48

Justice for who?

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:50

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:51

The guy's dead, so there's nothing to see. Yeah. I mean that's the problem. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:01

So it's like you have to But justice is the truth coming out.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:05

Right, but what if the truth hurts more people than it you know?

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:11

Because if those people were involved in stuff, they deserve to be hurt. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:17

Well, what if we prevented a nuclear attack on the United States by utilizing Epstein? A dirty bomb.

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:29

The ends do not justify the means.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:32

Except when they do.

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:35

The ends do not justify the means.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:39

How do you capture a pedophile without putting bait out?

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:50

You know, if the women were knowledgeable and willing, then maybe, but other than that, no.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:59

See, this is why you can never work in the CIA.

SPEAKER_05: 1:05:02

Correct. Which you made jokes about earlier when I got the which by the way, for those not in our group chat, I uh which is the majority, I got a text from a uh number that was saying, Hey, do you want to talk about what you think of the Jews? And I posted in the chat, should I should I do it, guys? And it was a Langley area code. Which Gene was very quick to point out.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:30

Well, I mean, duh. I have the numbers on my phone are in that air code. Uh-huh. So it's a it was kind of funny. It was extra funny because the guy that was asking about it was not a US person, and so he he didn't have a good understanding of air. And and then he guessed, and I was like, oh, good guess. But no, that's the problem. Is if you work in intelligence, sometimes you have to make a decision between what is good for America and what is good for a person that you've gotten to know and like and befriended who is actually helping you get information about their particular government and helping America, and sometimes you have to betray them. That that's just part of the job.

SPEAKER_05: 1:06:23

Yeah, and all jokes aside, this is why I have steered away from intelligence work in any way, shape, or form.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:31

Yeah, it's you it in some certain way it requires you to get your hands dirty. And and you need to have a certain profile, personality type that is okay with that. And that this is why the guy that I always share the videos of that is a former CIA spy who has been on every podcast imaginable at this point, and his website is everyday spy.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:03

Why I think a lot of people don't like him. Because he's he explains this, and he said, Look, I you know what I signed up for was for doing things that are good for America, not for doing things that are good for friends or you know, or innocent people. Fuck innocent people. I'm here for America.

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:26

Yeah, you gotta be a little bit of a psychopath.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:29

Yeah, it it is absolutely a little bit of a psychopath. That's you have to be willing to do things that the average person will have to think hard about what they want to do, but you need to be able to do them extremely quickly without giving them much thought. And it's not like you're a robot, you it's not like you're just like gonna do whatever somebody tells you. You just have to have an understanding that there's a deeper you know, a deeper North Star there, which is something that will require sacrifice, and sometimes the innocent also gets sacrificed. Okay. So in this particular case, I think that if you want to do something and you want to catch a bad dude through his essentially what's the phrase for it? It's his weak point, right? His weakness is young girls. If you want to blackmail that guy, you may need to provide him with young girls.

SPEAKER_06: 1:08:42

Yeah, or you could just document a case where he's already done it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:46

There's no such thing as international law, it doesn't matter. What you have to do is have something that he will not want to have come out. So I I don't have any knowledge in this particular manner. I'm just saying that I can absolutely envision a scenario which would prevent people in the federal government, at least people with a certain mindset, from ever divulging what exactly happened with Epstein. Because that would mean essentially not just giving away American secrets, but effectively condemning the United States to be complicit in an activity that nobody wants to hear the US being complicit in.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:40

Yeah. Yeah. You know. I at some point maybe I'll be proven wrong, but so far I've been saying that for about six months now in these podcasts, and I'm still right. We still haven't seen anything. And it's been now eleven months into Trump presidency. We might have peace in Ukraine before we see anything in Epstein.

SPEAKER_05: 1:10:06

Oh, I think that's very likely.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:09

Yeah. Hey, whatever happened to Greenland, I I'm still kind of looking to do a maybe a summer vacation up there. Hey, first year.

SPEAKER_05: 1:10:20

Big things take a little bit of time.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:22

Well, he's got a year because he's gonna lose Congress in a year. He's got more than a year.

SPEAKER_05: 1:10:29

Even if the Democrats controlled Congress actually negotiated the Greenland deal, even the Democrats would No, but the first thing the Democrats are gonna do is impeach him immediately.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:42

Like first month of the new session of Congress will be the impeachment. So it's it's all gonna fall down to how many people in the Senate have gripes against Trump.

SPEAKER_05: 1:10:56

Luckily, the Senate is the one that passes treaties.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:00

Yeah, yeah. But I don't know that that the Senate is gonna be in great shape. And again, like I think there's a reason that Trump is playing golf with what's his face, Lindsay. Lindsey Graham.

SPEAKER_06: 1:11:16

You know, Lindsay, you should really get out before I have to get rid of ya.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:20

Because he knows that you know that he needs Lindsay's vote as well to not be impeached. I'm not saying any of this is good. I'm not saying any of this is fair. I'm just saying that if the Democrats get in, and I think the chance of them getting in is much higher right now than it was six months ago, then we know what they're gonna do because they did it last time.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:52

Well, I mean, Texas is gonna be a net pickup of a couple of seats right there.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:57

Yeah, it should be uh five seats.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:59

Yeah. So I don't I I don't know if you're gonna be able to do that. California will also pick up five seats. We will see. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:07

Okay. I don't think any of their other states that have been threatening are gonna redistrict before the election, but California, absolutely. They already did.

SPEAKER_05: 1:12:20

Well, no, they've passed the referendum. We'll see if that holds up.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:26

Well, it was a referendum initially that created that law that says they can't do it. So now uh this is essentially another referendum that could supersede the first referendum. And I know it's going through the courts, so we'll see what happens, but I I wouldn't assume that one referendum can't overrule another one. Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:12:51

Well, I'm sure the courts will tell us.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:55

And it's a state thing.

SPEAKER_05: 1:12:57

So these are not federal appointed judges. Somalis live in constant fear, danger, disrupting reality hovers over their daily lives, nation in chaos. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:13

Can I ask you why did we ever go into Somalia?

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:17

Peacekeeping. Yeah. For what? Why civil war? Why civil war?

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:23

What do we have to do with civil war?

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:25

I agree. Dude, this is why I had a conversation with my boss. So he and I we disagree politically quite a bit, but he's intellectual enough that I can actually have a conversation, and he recognizes that I'm intellectual enough that we can have a conversation and we can disagree on some things, but it can be okay. And we had our one-on-one that we have here every couple of weeks, and we went over half an hour over just talking BS in politics. And you know, my point on Ukraine was hey, I don't care. Why are we there? NATO borders have expanded towards Russia, and you know, all this. Well, I I'm of the you know, I I I like liberal democracies, and well, that's not Ukraine. It was a good conversation. Although we did he he's reading a book right now on Buckley, and I'm like, yeah, I don't like Buckley. Oh, Bill Buckley?

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:21

You know, I like Buckley.

SPEAKER_05: 1:14:22

William F. Buckley. William F. Buckley.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:24

Yeah, Bill Buckley. His friends.

SPEAKER_05: 1:14:28

Okay. Why would you like Buckley with his patrician accent and paternalistic the government knows what's best for you?

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:36

Oh, he no, he was awesome. I watched him every week, man.

SPEAKER_05: 1:14:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:42

I have watched many a Bill Buckley thing, but his patrician accent and look, if you're complaining the way somebody speaks, it says more about you than that person.

SPEAKER_05: 1:14:52

Jesus Christ. No, I just don't like Bill Buckley's politics. I'm I'm I'm more of a Goldwater guy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:00

Sure, sure. But uh Bill Buckley really. He was the torchbearer of conservatism for a good decade to two decades. It it all kind of depends on the money sounding. That was he that was a low moment for him. He's apologized for that. That was something where he got caught off guard. And it it should not be an example of Bill Buckley just watching that debate. For people who don't know, so Gorval was a a well-known social liberal and an author and columnist.

SPEAKER_05: 1:15:48

And and rather freaky.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:51

But but he was a closeted homosexual in a time where being a homosexual closeted. He was fairly closeted at being a homosexual at the time where it was not something that was talked about in society.

SPEAKER_05: 1:16:06

It was still illegal in most states.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:08

And during their debate, he the the way so I I saw Bill Buckley's conversation about this topic, and he was saying, essentially, he was told, hey, we're we're gonna have a friendly little debate back and forth between you and Gore Vidal. It'll be fun watching that while we're watching the National Republican Convention. And that little debate was not friendly. It it turned rather fierce very quickly because Gore Vidal really prepped for this as though it was a formal debate, and he showed up with a ton of stuff memorized. He knew he'd watched every Bill Buckley video prior to that. He he basically came in to win that debate, and it kind of caught Bill Buckley off guard. And at one point in that debate, he called him a flaming homosexual as a pejorative term, and it is something that he regretted for the rest of his life. Not because Corvidal isn't one, but because it is completely unprofessional to throw ad homnum attacks at somebody that is debating with you.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:23

So yeah, he showed his true colors.

SPEAKER_00: 1:17:27

No, he showed a one bit of humanity that he was capable of, and for the rest of his life, he showed no humanity after that, which is why I like him. So uh he also wins the award for having the most slouched, laid-back position in a chair while interviewing someone. Like I've never seen anyone since basically lay on their side in a chair lounged while interviewing somebody. It was just a bizarre thing to watch on television. Well, no, I haven't seen JCD in the chaise because no one gets to see JCD in the chaise.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:12

That's totally how I imagine him.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:14

Yeah, yeah. But Bill Buckley is just he would slouch, he would have his elbow, you know, on the chairarm with his chin propped up, and he was at about a 45-degree angle to the ground while he's interviewing somebody. I enjoy I think his accent is overbite, fully engaged. Yes, yes. I don't see any problem with his accent. I thought it was a perfectly fine accent. It demonstrated that he has superior intellect. And just put uh put a sense of a little bit of dignity and professionalism into that show.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:51

I don't remember what it was called.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:53

I think that's what it was.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:54

But I will say if if you're not in America and you want to understand more about American politics, going back and listening to like, for instance, Goldwater's 64 acceptance speech, Reagan's time of choosing speech, a lot of the Buckley stuff, like there's a lot of stuff that has built up over the decades to where we're at today politically.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:19:18

And the roots of it go back to the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:23

On both sides. Look at Holinski.

SPEAKER_05: 1:19:25

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:26

Oh, yeah, yeah. And so Holinski ruled. The pattern for uh for the the weather on the ground.

unknown: 1:19:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:33

Yeah. So the the biggest problem that the US has had, in my opinion, and continues to have, and it's not unique to the US, but it certainly is here, is the lack of knowledge and understanding of history, and even just American history to start with.

SPEAKER_05: 1:19:50

So it's funny because one of one of our foreign listeners who I know he and I were chatting about some things, and he he totally didn't realize how the different regions of the United States have very different A heritages, but B cultures and customs and things like that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:20:10

So I took the opportunity to propagandize him and send him a few books. They're not there yet, so I don't want to say all of what they were, but the South was right, and some Rand books and some other stuff. One of our favorite series is in there. Nice. That's nice of you.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:29

It's Christmas. Yeah, yeah. That's true. Yeah, it's uh and I I already saw a picture of what you want for Christmas, too.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:37

So oh Jesus Christ, no God, Jack.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:44

Hey, you set yourself up for that one.

SPEAKER_05: 1:20:47

Uh yeah, I did. And my response should have been no, that was your mom's, but I didn't, because I'm not that childish.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:58

Yes, you are. Apparently you're the Jew now. So Ben posted an image that he thought was hilarious, which it is kind of funny, of a what appears to be a wine. Bottle size box, but with the wrap on the outside, the Christmas wrap. The wrapping paper. Yeah, the wrapping paper on the outside that says giant dildo.

SPEAKER_05: 1:21:22

This is a massive dildo exclamation. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21:25

This is a massive dildo. So it, I mean, it's obviously a fun meme, tongue-in-cheek kind of thing that you would wrap a bottle of wine in the box with wrapping paper like that. But I couldn't resist the opportunity to immediately reply to that to that image, that link that Ben posted. Oh, okay, Ben, now we know what to get you.

SPEAKER_05: 1:21:45

So yeah, which by the way, if I can find that wrapping paper, totally buying it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21:52

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That's um it is absolutely funny, but you know, couldn't resist.

SPEAKER_05: 1:22:02

I'll make sure and use it on your Christmas gift, Gene.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:04

Yeah, you do that. You do that. Uh what else we got? Well, let's see. What else do we have recently here? Oh, I saw that that the mug club guy. God damn it, I'm blanking out. I need to see B B12 again here. Yeah, Steven Crowder interviewed Nick Crowder, the gay Mexican Fuentes. Had him on his show, which I guess he's still making the rounds? Still going around there? I will say that from the little bit that I watched uh of that show, at least it looked like he was asking him some challenging questions, unlike Tuckard Carlson. It wasn't just what's your favorite cartoon character, and you know what childhood memory do you cherish the most that didn't include Jews? You know, he just asked more more poignant questions.

SPEAKER_06: 1:23:04

I haven't watched it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:06

Yeah. It's it's alright. It's nothing special, but you know, I I he couldn't resist, obviously. He couldn't pass up the opportunity to have Nick on. Because you know that the one thing you can't argue is that getting Nick on your show is an absolute bonanza for getting your viewership for just having a massive amount of views, eyeballs of that episode.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:32

Yeah, I appreciated a different Nick on a different show this week.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you finally watched Timcast with uh Nick Freitas.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:41

Which we both like Freitas. Oh yeah, he's awesome. Yeah, he's he's a very good guy. I I think he's got an awesome sense of humor. He's got a good podcast that we both watch, or listen to at least. And he's just he seems like a good, genuine good guy. I was gonna say nice guy, but I wouldn't say nice, I would say good guy. Like he is the epitome of the kind of guy who is meek in the the proper sense. Yeah, he's a guy who could break your legs if he wanted to.

SPEAKER_05: 1:24:23

But you know, paid attention to him and Warpoet. Uh yes.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:30

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_05: 1:24:31

That's been hilarious.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:32

Yeah, that has been funny. Well, yeah, as you know, I'm not a fan of that guy. And it's for no good reason. It's just he just rubs me the wrong way. Yeah, it's because you don't like Christians. Some of my some of my best friends are Christians. I have Christian friends. It it proves that I don't dislike Christians. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. No, it's it's just something about him. It's it's it's all fun and games until someone gets called a goy. It's similar to well, just don't be a goy, that's all. It's sort of similar to Pinhead, but even worse. Something about him. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25:11

Oh, hey, in gun news, did you see Palmetto State's announcement?

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:15

No. What do they got now? You need to look this up. Okay. I'm typing right now.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25:19

They're coming out with their own bull pup.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:21

Oh, no way. Okay. So more reasons to spend money.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25:28

The I think it's called the oil can. O-L-C-A-N. O L can? What? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:37

Okay. Let's see, yeah. Not finding anything.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25:42

Uh O-L-C-A-N. Just put in O-L-C-A-N-P-SA. And it's a jackal bull pup.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25:53

They released a video one day ago.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:55

Hmm. Yeah, jackal bullpup. Okay. Is this going to happen? Interesting. So I'm a fan of the jackal mechanism, although I will say the jackal is made a little bit on the cheap side. It's uh not not a super high-end gun. It's it's I know.

unknown: 1:26:20

It's a cheap gun.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:21

Yeah, okay, I'm watching it. Yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:26:25

It it looks neat as hell to me. And now I won't buy the 556 variant, but when they make it in 308, I will.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:32

Yeah. It's if they can keep the price at like 1100 bucks, I'll probably buy one. If it's much more than that, I there's plenty of others to choose from. Because that the competition for that type of rifle is at about 1700 bucks. So they need to be well below that. But I do like the fact that they're using the jackal mechanism.

SPEAKER_05: 1:26:59

Yep, it's a jackal upper receiver with just a special lower.

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:03

Yeah. That is that is very cool. Because the thing that that bullpups allow you to do, which doesn't matter, I think, for everybody else, but for us stuck here in the US with our crappy laws about minimum length of barrel and the minimum, or more importantly, minimum length of rifle, what having a bull pup does is it allows you to have the most compact rifle, not a pistol, but an actual rifle that you can while still being legal. And it's a stupid law, if you ask me, there should be no minimum or maximum length in the firearm. It it should be up to the shooter to decide. And if somebody wants to shoot a pistol with an attached shoulder brace, they ought to be able to. Somebody wants to take the take a rifle and take off the stock and shoot it like a pistol, they ought to be able to. These are all stupid laws.

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:02

But yeah, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:04

But the bull pup is going to be significantly shorter, usually about six to eight inches shorter, overall length, than an equivalent gun that is not in a bullpup design. And so for that reason, I'm a fan of bullpups. And I know historically they've had some issues with triggers, but I think the Tavor has one of the best bullpup triggers. If these guys can copy the Tavor trigger mechanism in their design, that would be great. Something that makes the trigger not slushy.

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:37

Yeah, so and it looks like they're developing the three. According to ARF COM, they are developing the three.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:44

Oh, I've got news, I like that guy at the same time. He's bald.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:52

But bald people have an affinity.

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:55

For other bald people.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:56

Yeah, yeah. It's like we're part of the same genetic defects group. Genetic defect. Part of the group of men who have a high level of testosterone, yes.

SPEAKER_05: 1:29:07

Well, you can have a high level of testosterone and not be bald.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:11

Uh not sure about that. Probably not explain A. I don't know, man. You've got other genetic defects going on. Sure. And we don't know where that hair came from.

SPEAKER_05: 1:29:24

Yeah, yeah. But by the way, I've got to say something. This is considered a tip of the day, I guess. But I have gotten some shirts recently that I bought one thinking, okay, you know, are they really that nice? I got it, and I've bought two more. So Poncho Outdoors makes some fucking fantastic shirts.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:52

And what kind of shirts when you say shirts?

SPEAKER_05: 1:29:54

They're not cheap. They're button-downs. They're kind of a fishing-esh shirt style, but not. You know, they got the vented back and stuff like that, but they they look good.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:03

Look it up, Poncho Outdoors. Like active wear shirts.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:06

Yeah. Well, you you saw the shirt I was wearing on Thanksgiving?

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:10

That shirt.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:10

It was the in plaid? Yes.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:14

Oh, perfect. In fact, I got one.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:16

And they and they have a polo that's their field polo that I'm wearing right now. And it's awesome. It's a very premium fabric. They do nice attention to detail buttons and everything else.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:28

I'm checking them out.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:29

They've got on some of them, they've got magn. Now, if you have a pacemaker, you don't want this version, but they have like magnetic buttons on some of the pockets, so easy access.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:37

Yeah, if you're a fat dude, you don't want that either.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:41

Well, anyway, they've got they're really nice and comfortable, very well-made shirts. Like they're not cheap.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:48

Yeah, they're having a lot of people.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:49

There's a reason why they're not cheap.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:50

Yeah. And did they have any kind of Black Friday special deal sale?

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:54

They did. They had, in fact, I I bought my dad's shirt.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:57

Or you're such a Jew that you couldn't buy them without having the deal.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:01

I bought the first one with just having the uh it was a percent off from the unsubbed guys.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:09

But anyway, so if you look up the unsub code, it's like 10% off or$10 off or something like that. But I bought my dad one, and the Black Friday deal was you got buy two shirts, get two free t-shirts or a hat.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:23

Okay. So you're still paying normal price for the shirts?

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:29

But anyway, it was they're nice.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:32

Yeah. They well, they they even have the uh U T shirts here.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:37

And a and M.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:38

I didn't see those, but I saw the UT ones.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:40

Yeah, they're based out of Texas, and they've got a they've got a slight western style to them, which I really like.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:47

What does it look like?

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:48

Block ATM. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:52

And it's maroon.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:54

Yeah. Still don't see it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:57

Which by the way, I think I'm gonna go to a college football playoff game.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:01

Oh, you are? Okay. Yeah. Should we talk about the game that you you all hyped up and you got me to watch, and then my city wins against your city? God damn it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was rooting for the losing team. Texas beat AM and it was our own fault. We let it happen. But the upside is since we lost that game, and uh we're hosting a whole uh college football playoff game here in at Texas AM. So as soon as tickets go on sale, if I can get tickets, I'm gonna get tickets and I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:36

Nice. So So who's that game gonna be? Who are they playing?

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:41

TBD. Still TBD.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:43

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:44

So we could be playing anyone from Virginia to Notre Dame again to Alabama.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:51

I saw there was a game. Depends on how the rest goes on. With the sign wearing that a burnt orange shirt. And the sign said number of months since AM Oh yeah. Texas.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:11

Texas. Well, you have to realize you have to realize we didn't no, it's more than that. Is it you have to realize we went almost a decade without playing each other? Oh actually over a decade. Oh yeah. When AM went to the SEC, the rivalry stopped, and I was at that last game.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:29

So there was a long pause there for you know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:33

Okay, I didn't I didn't know that. It's okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:36

And for every UT fan that looks at Texas AM like little brother, F you, we were founded first.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:46

Yeah. Well, you get it's a big college too. It's it shouldn't be looked at as little brother.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:51

No. I will say when I was AM, Texas, and Texas Tech are all both uh all three huge, dude. Like AM has something like 80,000 undergrads now.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:01

Does it really? Holy shit.

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:03

That that is 40 something when I was there.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:06

Wow. Yeah, that's like the size of the University of Minnesota. When I was there in the 90s, I want to say it was like 62,000 undergrads. I was it it was I will always say that school was too big. I really should have gone to a smaller school. It was way too big.

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:26

And I was wrong. So the fall 2024 uh undergraduate enrollment was 61,000.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:35

The total enrollment, the and this is where I got confused. The total enrollment is 80.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's I mean, both numbers are big. So it's a big school. When I was wandering around UT last month when that dude came over, or that guy was speaking that I I like to watch on TV. Or on YouTube is where I watch them, not on TV. But walking around that campus, it is just like look emhorns everywhere. Like they are really into their sports.

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:14

And if you come to AM, same thing walk around, it's gig 'em everywhere. So when I uh when I was at my honors orientation as a student, the guy giving this the first speech and everything said, you know, and we were standing out in front of Kyle Field, and we have one religion here in Aggie Land, and that religion is football, and this is our church, you know. Like, yeah. What's the Mansion?

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:41

What's the and the M M Manscott?

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:43

We're the Aggies.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:44

Yeah, what's what's the actual animal?

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:47

A collie.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:49

A collie. Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:50

Yeah. So the the the story there is AM was founded as the Texas Agricultural Mechanical College. Right. And one of early on, one of the Yellow leaders got a stray dog, named it Revelly, because AM was also a military school. So before the 70s, you could not go to AM without a military contract.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:13

Really? That's cool.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:14

Yep. And it was all male up until the 70s. So named it Revely, ended up becoming a tradition. So uh the that dog was our mascot. And then it ended up with a collie, and it's been a collie ever since. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:33

Yeah. And then I don't know the name of the of the cow or bull or whatever it is that it's varsity.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:40

So everybody calls him Bivo.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:42

Oh, Bevo, that's right.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:43

The actual name is Varsity.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:45

Why is he called Bo?

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:46

And the way he got because back in the day, AM beat Texas 13 to zero. And we branded, we snuck in and branded the cowl 13-0. Oh my god. And they filled it in to name it Bivo.

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:06

Okay, that's funny. That's genuinely funny.

SPEAKER_05: 1:37:08

Dude, the rivalry between Texas AM and Texas. So when my grandfather was here in the 50s, AM had developed this maroon ryegrass. So my grandfather and some of his friends snuck over to the UT campus and to the stadium and seeded this maroon ryegrass on their football field.

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:31

Wow.

SPEAKER_05: 1:37:34

They've shaved they've captured and shaved Revelie in the past. We so in our fight song, you know, and people give AM crap because, oh, your school song. No, it's not our school song, it's our fight song, but there's the Saw Varsity's horns off, which is why it's named Varsity. And we've literally gone over there and cut the horns off the bowl in the past. You know, the all sorts of stuff back and forth. It's really been pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:00

That's pretty funny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:03

Um we've had we've had we've had core members draw their sabers and go after people on video, which is why now their sabers are zip tied in during games, by the way.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:18

Funny. So how many bulls have they gone through here? You know?

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:24

No, I don't, but we're on Revely. I forget what number Revelity were on.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:29

How long do cows live? I have no idea. They usually get eaten.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:34

I don't know their natural lifespan.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:36

Well, you went to AM, you gotta know these things. Okay. How long do cows live? Fifteen to twenty years, apparently. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:53

That's longer than I thought. I figured it'd be like three to six. So this is the Sabre incident.

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:04

I'll send you a form post about it. It's it's it's worth it's funny. But yeah. Alright, man. Hopefully, you don't have anything else.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:14

Yeah, I mean, we probably will remember something, but this this is good. Like you said, it's been an interesting week, so might as well wrap it up here. Hopefully you get rid of this year cold thing by the weekend.

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:26

Yeah, I'm going to Dallas this weekend.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:30

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:31

And um it wasn't, it was a SMU cheerleader, not Texas. But yeah, he drew a saber. Oh, and that's that that stopped that in 1981. Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:41

So all right, Ben.

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:43

Anyway, I'm uh I'm actually going to the Mavericks game.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:48

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:49

It's a client's thing. Yeah. My boss's boss's boss will be there. And then I'm off to Virginia.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:55

So of course you are. And on that note, we'll see ya in a week or so.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:01

See you, June.