SPEAKER_03: 0:25

Oh, howdy Ben. How are you today?

SPEAKER_02: 0:27

I'm doing pretty good, Gene. I got my new toy in.

SPEAKER_03: 0:30

Yeah, you sound excited.

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Well, you know,$2,400 later.

SPEAKER_03: 0:36

Yeah. That's not a bad deal. We ran some uh quick and dirty speed tests today, and you are officially running on a faster gaming machine than me right now.

SPEAKER_02: 0:46

Yeah, when I plan to basically run no games.

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Mm-hmm. Yeah, you'll run a couple. But uh yeah, it's it's good. I'm I mean, I'm super happy because what you got is basically middle of the road gear, and it's on par, even a little bit faster, than my five-year-old at this point. I keep thinking four, but it's actually five now, which was top of the line gear at the time when I got it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13

Well, I mean, the only way I could get higher end would be to, you know, basically max out the I'm I'm on one of the top ends of the Radeon graphics cards. Um I mean so like I'd have to go with like a 59 gear or something.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30

Exactly. That that would certainly add another$2,000 to the mix.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34

Right. And I went with the last generation 3D FX processor. So yeah.

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Yeah, which is still faster than the first generation that I'm running by about 25%, which is good. So I'm sure that the current generation wants probably another 15% or so faster than the one you got. So I'm just I'm very happy about all this because hoping to build my next machine this year, probably closer to Christmas. But by that point in time, I'm really hoping that Radeon has their top of the line card in their generation 9 out, which they still haven't. They everybody thought it'd be out last Christmas, but they didn't have it out, so hopefully it'll be out by this Christmas. But I've been very happy running the AMD setup, AMD motherboard chip and uh AMD Radeon video cards.

SPEAKER_02: 2:29

Yeah. Well, I'm you know, still playing with stuff and uh haven't even taken all the peels off.

SPEAKER_03: 2:38

So yeah, well, I usually do that once it finds its permanent spot. If you're gonna keep moving it, no point in taking stuff off.

SPEAKER_02: 2:47

Yeah, I don't want to take stuff off until, like I said, I've got its permanent spot.

SPEAKER_03: 2:54

Now, hopefully your airflow vents aren't covered with plastic though.

SPEAKER_04: 2:59

No, of course not.

SPEAKER_03: 3:02

Yeah, no, it's got all exciting news just in time for your trip.

SPEAKER_02: 3:08

Right, yeah. Uh I've still gotta get the monitors from you.

SPEAKER_03: 3:15

Yeah, you're gonna be inheriting some nice monitors there. I think you'll have more than you know what to do with.

SPEAKER_02: 3:24

Well, geez, how many are you giving me?

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Four. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 3:31

I thought you were giving me that big one too.

SPEAKER_03: 3:33

I am giving you the big one.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 3:36

Yeah. I'd I mean I'd love to give you the Mac one too and make it five, but you don't want to take that. I don't need the Mac one. I know, I just need to get rid of it. I have I can't bring myself to just throw away an Apple branded monitor.

SPEAKER_02: 3:54

But what why aren't you using it then?

SPEAKER_03: 3:56

Because I'm running 4Ks on everything I have now. Okay. And this is a 27-inch monitor. So I mean, when I got it, it was a thousand dollar monitor.

SPEAKER_04: 4:09

But that was many years ago. Giving me your throwaways.

SPEAKER_03: 4:15

Yeah, yeah. Hey man, if you got throwaways that are as nice as the stuff I'm giving you, I'll I'll take throwaways of different kinds. I'll tell you what I'll I will happily take as a throwaway is your your all the first generation 3D printed silencers that you're gonna make.

SPEAKER_02: 4:37

Well, yeah, we we'll talk about that in a little bit, but uh part of the reason why I got it.

SPEAKER_03: 4:42

Nice and close to the mic.

SPEAKER_02: 4:45

Part of the reason why I got this. Well, I'm hitting the red, man, when I'm too close.

SPEAKER_03: 4:49

Well, your your gate was starting to cut in and chopping in. Oh, really? Interesting.

SPEAKER_02: 4:54

Well, let me turn the gate off and on, because it's one thing I've noticed.

SPEAKER_03: 4:59

Oh, some settings don't stick? Yeah. That's unfortunate. Hey, we I don't want to switch topics, just so we don't forget Adam Curry's got his rig running on Linux now.

SPEAKER_02: 5:11

So did he get it all I didn't listen to today's show. Did he get the rig fully running? I know he had written some stuff.

SPEAKER_03: 5:19

I don't know how fully running it is, but it he got it running on I mean it's working and it's doing multiple channels for him.

SPEAKER_02: 5:26

Yeah, he's he's using the Rodcaster 2 Pro, so I haven't tried and looked at what it would take for me to adapt his stuff to which I mean you've just got fewer channels than yours, but it's same company. Right. And I'm not using the video pass-through or capture card. But I don't know how that messes with the compliance because he's using the USB 2 compliant driver.

SPEAKER_03: 5:58

I thought it would oh really, that's surprising actually.

SPEAKER_02: 6:03

I thought it would be I've actually looked at his GitHub.

SPEAKER_03: 6:07

I haven't. Alright, good. So yeah, let me know if you end up running Linux.

SPEAKER_02: 6:13

Uh yeah, I will.

SPEAKER_03: 6:15

Because the PC that you're running this on right now could become your Linux PC because now you have a gaming PC that's running Windows.

SPEAKER_02: 6:25

Yep, sure could. Could become the little studio PC. Yeah. Or I could use it actually in the s server closet as a NAS or something.

SPEAKER_03: 6:37

Yeah. Yep. And then, you know, at some point eventually, probably after the next generation of the uh Steam box is out and people have figured out how to get it installed on non-Steam software or hardware. People are already doing that. Well, yeah, I mean, people were doing that before Steam, but I mean, the big thing that's coming imminently, like in the next two and a half months, or two months, I guess, because first quarter, is the uh all the details and the what the Steam box actually is and the cost and everything else, because we're still a little bit in the dark on that.

SPEAKER_02: 7:16

Yeah. And I was kind of on the fence, if you remember, about okay, do I want to get a full PC or do I want to wait for the Steam Box to come out? And it's like, no, I want the I want the hardware. I want something that I can run VMs on and I can do everything I want to do.

SPEAKER_03: 7:36

So well, and that's the beauty of it. I mean, what you got is a great gaming computer, but if you're not running games 90% of the time, it's a great computer for everything else, including VMs and AI stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 7:49

Yep. Well, and the the processor I got and the graphics card I got would be great for AI stuff.

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Yeah.

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And I'm starting to play around with some of that locally. I'm not really interested in you know the cloud stuff. So I did have to run extra power into my office and the network closet, though.

SPEAKER_03: 8:09

Well, that's I guess not super surprising. You got it all managed?

SPEAKER_02: 8:14

I'm sorry?

SPEAKER_03: 8:15

You got it all managed, everything taken care of?

SPEAKER_02: 8:18

Yeah, I'm running my computer. So my computers, my network closet, and all my computers in the office are now running on a dedicated 20 amp breaker.

SPEAKER_03: 8:29

Nice.

SPEAKER_02: 8:29

So I added two outlets, one into under my desk and one in the network closet. Dude, uh like I've done electrical stuff in the past. I, you know, my dad was a contractor, so I've done a lot. That was one of the biggest pain in the ass installs I've ever had to do because in my attic, climbing around in the attic and getting over the breaker box and drilling through the sill plate, I had to go to Lowe's and get a different drill bit, and I had to get a 90-degree setup for my impact driver to be able to do it. And my hands are beat up because it's real tight to the roof, and all the nails from the shingles sticking through the roof and banging my hand against it. Anyway, and then I had to fish it through and use the push-pole and everything, but I I left a pull wire, so next time it'll be way easier.

SPEAKER_03: 9:26

Yeah. So that's good. Yeah, all that stuff is just infinitely easier to do before the drywall goes up.

SPEAKER_02: 9:34

Yes, indeed. Like it's meant to be done before the drywall goes up. It gets really difficult when it's not. Now, and luckily, I had good access to the back of the wall for both the networking closet and my outlet under my desk. So, you know, putting in a remodeler's box and poking that through the wall isn't that big of a deal. It's just really going from the junction box down into the breaker box that was a pain.

SPEAKER_03: 10:05

Yeah, that stuff's not cheap. I remember I when I put in a 240 volt for my electric car in the garage, that was$350 for a cable run of two feet. Say what now? The the plug was two feet from the junction box.

SPEAKER_02: 10:28

Right, but how much was it?

SPEAKER_03: 10:30

Three hundred and three hundred and fifty dollars?

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Three for an electrician.

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Over three hundred bucks, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 10:36

For an electrician, yeah. Well yeah, that's that's why I did it myself.

SPEAKER_03: 10:40

Right, right. But yeah, I just didn't want to fuck with it. But he ended up actually replacing some other stuff for me while he was out there, so it turned out to be worthwhile getting him out. And it's I just got a price to have another dedicated circuit run from the garage circuit breaker to the attic, and that was 700 bucks.

SPEAKER_02: 11:06

For where you're at now? Yeah. What do you need a circuit breaker in the attic for?

SPEAKER_03: 11:11

No circuit breaker, a uh separate circuit.

SPEAKER_02: 11:14

Right, but what do you need it for?

SPEAKER_03: 11:17

Stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 11:19

Okay. Don't give it away.

SPEAKER_03: 11:20

I mean you give an Anne Frank some power lights or anything.

SPEAKER_02: 11:24

You I was gonna say, are you gonna give Anne Frank some power?

SPEAKER_03: 11:28

Yeah. No, no, no, no. She's fine in the dirk. Unless Anne Frank is a different type of weed these days, I don't know. So, yeah, that shit's not cheap to get from electricians. And and this is why I've been saying for quite a while, probably over a decade, I've been telling friends that instead of spending money in college, they ought to send their kids to electrician school.

SPEAKER_01: 11:55

Yeah, electricians are well done.

SPEAKER_03: 11:57

And then write them a check for$100,000 to start them off in life. Because frankly, that'll cost half as much as college, and they'll be in a much better position in their 20s right off the get-go. Because they'll have a hundred grand to buy a house for down payment, and they'll have a job that makes them six figures.

SPEAKER_02: 12:20

Well, and electricians and welders are always in supply, you know, are always in demand, rather. And I mean, I remember when we were working one of the defense contractor projects, Facebook, Meta, and Google were putting in data centers nearby. And, you know, they the electricians would walk across a street for 50 cents an hour. And what that ended up meaning is electrician, the electrical stuff ended up going in very, very slowly and causing lots of issues with schedules and everything. Welders, you know, anytime there's a pipeline project, they'll do the same thing. And we're gonna be building out some stuff, man.

SPEAKER_03: 13:02

So I I think welders there's a huge range. Like the the the beginner low range on welders about 20 bucks an hour. It's not great. But that goes up over 65 bucks an hour for guys that can make very pretty clean welds. So it's a I don't know, it's it is definitely another good industrial career choice. I just like electrical because it doesn't matter if it's commercial or industrial or home, like there's always a need for electrical.

SPEAKER_02: 13:39

Yeah, so on the electrical side, do you have good access to your attic?

SPEAKER_00: 13:45

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02: 13:47

Okay. Is is there is there's no way to get from the garage to the attic.

SPEAKER_03: 13:53

Why? Because there's bedrooms above the garage.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Ooh, yeah, that's kind of a good thing.

SPEAKER_03: 14:02

That's what makes it expensive. Yeah, that's it's not a straight line pull.

SPEAKER_02: 14:06

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you might even you might even be better off going. I assume the breaker box is on an exterior wall.

SPEAKER_03: 14:15

No, it's inside.

SPEAKER_02: 14:17

In the garage.

SPEAKER_03: 14:18

In the garage, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 14:19

But it's not on an exterior wall.

SPEAKER_03: 14:21

No, it's on an interior wall.

SPEAKER_02: 14:23

Oh, you're you so what the electrician's gonna do is he's gonna cut the drywall and pull the line and then tell you to patch it. You know that, right? Probably, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 14:33

Yeah, the other thing he mentioned was going outside the house.

SPEAKER_02: 14:39

That's what I was gonna say, is you could go outside, but again, if it's not if the breaker box isn't on an outside wall, you're still gonna have to get creative.

SPEAKER_03: 14:52

Yeah, and obviously the best way to do it would be to go from the garage between the two floors, and then fish that out on the floor of the attic. But yeah, I I get it, it's a lot of work. I haven't pulled cable since I was in my twenties, but I remember how much of a pain in the ass it was in my twenties. I I w I wired up the the company I worked at. I had to pull a bunch of Ethernet cables through. Not it which is easier than electrical, frankly. You just put them in a plum there, but it's still a major pain in the ass pulling cable in a finished building. When I was building my not this house, but the house I had before, I was I I provided all the plans to the builders, and then I was there every week, once a week, making sure that they were actually putting shit in where I wanted to. And I did something that I would happily do in another new construction in the future, which is overbuild. Instead of having one outlet for every, I don't know what it is, 16 feet of wall space, wherever the hell it is, I had them cut that in half. So there's an outlet basically every six or seven feet. There was also an Ethernet jack in every room, and some of the rooms had two Ethernet jacks. So it was pre-wired for anything that somebody would want to do. Back then also I had coax in every room, which I wouldn't bother doing at this point.

SPEAKER_02: 16:27

Yeah, so I've got coax in every bedroom and lots of them. And I've got cat six to a lot of places around the house.

SPEAKER_03: 16:36

Yeah, which you kind of surprised me that that can actually run 10 gig.

SPEAKER_02: 16:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, cat 6 can do a lot, cat 5 can run 10 gig for a short period, for a short distance. And I've got in fact I pulled while I was in the attic, I pulled another Ethernet cable over to above my garage where I'm gonna put one of the access points. So that means I only have one access point left to pull the cable for. So I will have 12 uh Ethernet drops around the house, yeah, four of which are under my desk.

SPEAKER_03: 17:07

So yeah. I think if I was building a house again from scratch, I would probably put fiber in.

SPEAKER_02: 17:16

It's expensive.

SPEAKER_03: 17:17

I know.

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And very delicate.

SPEAKER_03: 17:19

But that's why I would do it during a build, not try and retrofit.

SPEAKER_02: 17:24

Yeah, when you're doing fiber installs like that, though, like the problem with fiber is if you're going with uh just a single pair to a room, getting an armored cable, which is what you'd want, is extraordinarily expensive. Most of the armored cables, you know, have like 48 pair in them and stuff like that. But then you can't really fan out the way you want.

SPEAKER_03: 17:48

Yeah. Yeah, you you yeah, you would need. I think the smallest I've seen is eight pair. But yeah, you don't have to overkill to a bedroom. It's total overkill, absolutely. But I don't know. I just like the flexibility and then the fact that you can run 100 gig in there. Yeah, but you can you can do a lot, dude, with copper. Like I know, I know. It's anyway, it's all so much faster than it was. I I was remembering back to when I first got my first wireless, my first Wi-Fi, which was not a standard at the time. I remember I got it, it would have been probably like a 9. Let me see, it would have been in 95, 96, right around that time period. 96, probably. And there was a company that came out with a wireless networking that was an old, not a CF even laptop card, but you remember those old large sizes?

SPEAKER_02: 18:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 18:57

Yeah, whatever the hell they were called. I can't remember. PCMA or what PC PCM, yeah, PC mobile card, something like that.

SPEAKER_02: 19:05

Yep. Yeah, I had a 802.11A card.

SPEAKER_03: 19:09

Okay, all right. But one of those things, and there was no 802 anything, it was pre-standard, and I remember I had a laptop sitting, or I had it in my laptop, and then I had another computer that was had another one of those cards on the receiving end that was plugged into my stereo, and so I could do something so cool in the mid-90s is I could control my playback of MP3s. Maybe it wasn't even MP3, maybe it was just WAV files, but I could control that remotely from my laptop. I just thought that was the coolest damn thing ever. Yeah, and it was probably that less I think it was under one meg in speed. I mean, it was ridiculously slow, but then again, at that time, and I was already ahead of the curve, but I had ISDN, so I was running on dual ISDL channels, which is 128 kilobit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 20:12

Well, and it's actually three channels, faster than anybody else. ISDM was three channels because you had one channel for control of the signal.

SPEAKER_03: 20:20

Yeah, but two usable channels. Yeah. But it It's you know, it was still like three times faster than the fastest modem speeds we were getting. Which was very and it was always on. I didn't know.

SPEAKER_02: 20:37

That was on dial up.

SPEAKER_03: 20:38

I had ISDN a phone as well. So the phone was native ISDN. So if I wasn't, you know, on the phone, then I would be using both lines for network. If I picked up the phone, then one of those is DN lines would become a voice line, and the network would keep running on the other one.

SPEAKER_01: 20:57

Yeah, just slower.

SPEAKER_03: 20:58

Yeah. But the big difference was the speeds, just how slow everything was compared to now. It's and you know, we literally, it was under a meg for wireless networking, and I was like, holy shit, this is so awesome. Nobody has this except for me.

SPEAKER_02: 21:19

Do you remember the old Cisco router interconnect cables because Ethernet was too slow?

SPEAKER_03: 21:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 21:26

They're green serial, big, chonky things.

SPEAKER_03: 21:29

On the front, yeah. I remember those. But it it's I we it's so we're like 10,000 or 100,000 times faster now, right? Am I doing my math right? So we went from a meg to ten gig. Yeah. So a thousand times to get to a gig, and then we went to ten, so ten thousand. Yeah, ten thousand times faster networking now. Pretty cool. Of course, most things were smaller back then, but not not, you know, a thousand times smaller. But since I'm reminiscing, I do remember that on my first Mac Plus that I had in the late 80s, it came with one mega RAM. And that was huge because the system itself, when you're booted, took about I want to say it was under 100k. So it was somewhere between like 80 and 100k. So you had about 900k empty for running software. And the remember that when the Mac originally came out, it had 128k of memory, and so a lot of software was written for 128k. So you so I remember I used to run a RAM disk on the Mac that took about half of that meg and use it for RAM or for a disk drive, for a virtual RAM disk drive, which was an image that would be loaded off my SCSI disk into RAM, and then that would make the computer obviously run a lot faster because it's all sitting in RAM. And still had enough memory to run, you know, pretty much any other program, whether it was Microsoft Word or some rudimentary black and white game, or the original version of Photoshop, which wasn't called Photoshop back then. I can't remember what it is, but it's the thing that became Photoshop, which came out for the Mac Plus that was black and white originally. Oh man, things things were wild.

SPEAKER_02: 23:45

I remember my first gaming PC that I set up. It it's it's ironic because I've I've vacillated back and forth between Intel and AMD. Like my very first computer was 386, 286. The first computer I ever built was a 486 back in the day. And then the first gaming PC I ever built out was on an AMD K62 processor. I had 128 megs of RAM. I had the quantum fireball 5400 RPM IDE hard drive that was the fastest hard drive at the time. It was like oh god, I don't even remember, like a gigabyte or something. Like it was ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03: 24:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 24:38

Well, this is in like 98.

SPEAKER_03: 24:40

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 24:41

And then I had I was running Windows 98 and I had a voodoo 3 graphics card. Yep. You know, back in the day, the old voodoo cards, they were the shit back in the day. Yeah, I have I don't know how that company failed so spin. So spit like they had such a leg up on everybody.

SPEAKER_03: 25:00

Everybody, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, because the games were all written for DOS back then, so even if you were running Windows, you had to go into DOS mode to run. And they that's what the only way that they ran with acceptable frame rates, like Doom and stuff like that. But yeah, I mine was a little bit earlier, so I I remember the first hard drive I ever bought was an actually an imprimice, so it was a C gate drive. So Seagate ended up buying Impermis, so this was made before it was part of C gate, but it was a 320 megabyte, full height five and a quarter, so it means like two half heights on top of each other. Hard drive. This thing weighed probably about well, I don't know what it weighed by itself, but it was in the drive case that was in, which was the size of a shoebox, it was probably about eight or nine pounds. I mean, this is not a light drive, SCSI drive. It was the largest commercially available SCSI drive that you could buy at the time, and it was a thousand dollars. That was my first major purchase for that computer off of money that I basically made as a kid, was to get that ginormous drive. And I used to drive that drive to meetups, like land parties at least once. This is not even land parties, dude. This is like pirate parties. This is like guys that all bring their hard discs, set up their computers, and then you all go through and you see, oh, you know, you got a whole collection of blah de blah. I want to get that. Let me plug in my SCSI disc into you. That's what it was. This is like pre-LAN. Everyone was just standalone computers, but physically in one spot.

SPEAKER_02: 26:54

Did you ever so gaming and energy drinks, right? Did you ever did you ever drink the energy drink balls?

SPEAKER_03: 27:03

No, balls came after me. I drank jolt. Jolt was the only thing that you could theoretically call an energy drink back in my day. Uh, most people just drank Mountain Dew, frankly, because it's readily available. But Jolt, their whole marketing slogan was all the caffeine and twice the sugar.

SPEAKER_02: 27:23

Yeah. Which is great. Great marketing. I I remember setting up for a land party in college. So when I was at LCSC, Lewis Clark State College, because I graduated high school early and my parents didn't want me to go to AM at 16. I was part of it. I was part of the LC web monks. And it was web development and hacking slash gaming group. And anyway, we put together some money to set up a land party, big land party. We had like a hundred people there.

SPEAKER_03: 27:57

Wow.

SPEAKER_02: 27:57

That's pretty good. And I did all the networking and setup and set up the servers and all that. Anyway, I was up for like 24 hours straight beforehand getting everything ready, right? Because we only had so much time for the space. And then I played and, you know, went all night again. And all I I went through so many of the balls, energy drinks. Oh, I believe it was not safe. Like I was so sweaty afterwards.

SPEAKER_03: 28:22

Yeah, it's what year was that?

SPEAKER_02: 28:25

2003.

SPEAKER_03: 28:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 28:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 28:29

Yeah, it's I think I started playing games again right around 2003. Because I I basically I played the super early games in the early 2000s. Or sorry, early 90s. Early 90s, so like literal DOS games.

SPEAKER_02: 28:49

Escape from Castle Wolfenstein.

SPEAKER_03: 28:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_04: 28:53

And I was uh from about I'd say 94 till about 2003.

SPEAKER_03: 29:09

So for about a 10-year period. I didn't really play any video games. Which makes some sense because I was in my twenties. I was had other interests that were female instead of video games. And so it wasn't until like three years into my marriage that I actually kind of thought, ah yeah, I wonder what I wonder what's available for video games these days. And uh made potentially the mistake, depending on how you look at it, of one of those first games. First the first true multiplayer game that I ever got into was Eve Online. And I'm slightly. I never did the you know the magical ones, because it's Eve is the space version of the the RPG kind of you know, real-time strategy multiplayer games, whatever they call it. You know, with the wizards and the dragons and the elves and all that crap. Never never got into those, but I always loved space, and so when the space version came out, I was like, oh, this is cool. And that sucked me in big time, and I was you know, to the point where by 2010 I was basically playing Eve 40 hours a week and working 40 hours a week, and not seeing my wife at all.

SPEAKER_01: 30:35

So yeah, I wonder why you got divorced.

SPEAKER_03: 30:38

I know, right? It's like huh, and then the next year I got divorced. Interesting how that works out. But to be fair, I wouldn't have seen my wife anyway because I was traveling Monday through Friday. And so I was sitting in a hotel room playing video game on a laptop. And eventually two laptops, so I can do multiple running multiple accounts, multiboxing.

SPEAKER_02: 31:05

Yeah, I uh I I don't know, I so through college I built a Pentium 4 class PC back when that was the hottest chip, and I was overclocking it, you know, and I I played some PC games, but after that computer, that was my last real gaming rig, and then I moved to Xbox and of course hacked the Xbox, and that was the original Xbox hacked was awesome. Like it was an awesome console, and then got the 365, played with a bunch of friends. I had a huge projector, 360, yeah, yeah, 360. I got that, and I had a huge projector, so we would play, you know, Call of Duty zombies all the time and see how far we could get. And then after that, like that's the last console I've owned, other than a res a Raspberry Pi with Retro Pi loaded on it with a bunch of old games.

SPEAKER_03: 32:02

Do you have a projector right now?

SPEAKER_02: 32:04

No. Would you like one? What kind of projector?

SPEAKER_03: 32:12

It's 1080p. It's like two grand when I bought it.

SPEAKER_02: 32:20

Does it have does it need a new bulb?

SPEAKER_03: 32:23

No, no, it shouldn't. It's been sitting and not plugged in for about seven years. It was my projector that I I had at my old studio here in Austin.

SPEAKER_02: 32:35

Uh-huh.

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And it was really bright. I actually did a I was part of South by one year where we did the premiere of a movie that I was a producer for at my studio with that projector. Had uh about 80 people in there. And uh the reason I got it is because it was able to project an image that that was 18 feet tall. So it was a really you know, I had it mounted on the ceiling, and I remember watching Netflix out there. And it's it's basically, you know, movie theater size screen at that point for for the size space it was, which was basically a 2,000 square foot warehouse.

SPEAKER_02: 33:21

Yeah, so my projector set up in my apartment in college was pretty pretty sick because I had like a 70-some odd inch screen that we were playing on. And you know, standard deaf back then, but it was still just such an awesome experience for everybody. Now, of course, I had to have blackout curtains and all that to use it during the day, but projectors are good.

SPEAKER_03: 33:51

Well, I I still have only had a projector in my bedroom. I mean, I've never got a TV for there because I it just looks so good. My my bedroom screen is about 160 inches, and I don't know why anyone would want a smaller TV. Like if I'm laying in bed, most of the wall is the screen.

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Yeah.

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And it's it doesn't require a giant TV sitting there with do you actually have a projector screen or are you just using the wall? No, I always intended to buy one. I I wanted to see whether I needed one, and what I realized is that if I watch TV during the day in the bedroom, I would probably get a screen. But since the only time I ever turn on the bedroom projector is when I'm in bed, it's always dark.

SPEAKER_01: 34:45

And as long as your wall's not too textured, that's the only thing.

SPEAKER_03: 34:48

Yeah, and the and the wall is totally flat. I mean it's it's it's matte, it's not flat like shiny flat, but it's it's matte. But it there's no like fake texture on it or something. And it works fine. And you know, I don't think I would like it if I was any closer, but basically, you know, my head is up towards the opposite wall in bed. So I'm looking across the whole bed and then the empty space in front of it. But it gives me a it gives me about the same angles of view when I'm laying in bed as I normally would have on a 43-inch monitor that's you know two and a half feet away from my head when I'm sitting in front of a computer. So it's it it's kind of what I'm used to, but it's so much more compact, not to mention cheaper. I think the projector is only about a thousand bucks when I got it. Whereas the TV that size, if you could get one, it would be probably 15 grand.

SPEAKER_02: 35:50

Prices have definitely come down.

SPEAKER_03: 35:53

Oh, yeah. Yeah. For for normal size screens, which is anything under 32 inches, they are unbelievably cheap, as I saw during the the Christmas sale last year, which is why I got a couple of more 4K monitors.

SPEAKER_02: 36:08

By the way, I'm not doing any heavy load right now, but my CPU is at 30 37 degrees.

SPEAKER_03: 36:17

37 Celsius. Okay. Yeah. So 37 is about what it gets to here in Austin in summer outside.

SPEAKER_02: 36:27

So it's not even it's not even you get to like you know 40. More like 50.

SPEAKER_03: 36:34

No, we don't get to 50.

SPEAKER_02: 36:35

You don't get to over 100 degrees?

SPEAKER_03: 36:38

100 is not 50, dude. Yes, it is. No, no, it isn't.

SPEAKER_02: 36:42

100 degrees Celsius is 214 degrees Fahrenheit. Yeah, but so 50 degrees would be 107 Fahrenheit.

SPEAKER_03: 36:55

That's not how it works, dude. It's not the formula. Yes, it is. No, it it isn't. It's five nines plus thirty-two. Or nine fifths plus thirty-two. It's it's not a straight linear formula. It's okay, Celsius literally is. But we can we can look up. It's actually You're right.

SPEAKER_02: 37:20

You you get minus thirty-two.

SPEAKER_03: 37:21

You're right.

SPEAKER_02: 37:22

So but anyway.

SPEAKER_03: 37:25

So it's 37, you said yeah, yeah. Well, no, it's actually dropped. Celsius is how much in Fahrenheit.

SPEAKER_01: 37:33

I don't know. You tell me.

SPEAKER_03: 37:36

That's not 212. 32 degrees Celsius is how much in Fahrenheit. 90 degrees, there we go.

SPEAKER_01: 37:46

So you get hotter than that.

SPEAKER_03: 37:48

Yeah, we get we get hotter than that, absolutely. But it's the my point was how cold your computer was, not how hot your computer was.

SPEAKER_04: 37:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 37:56

Your computer is literally like outdoor weather temperature, which is and I got the nice Lanley glass case. Yeah, they've always made nice stuff. I always like their stuff. It's very happy. Just for reference, now my computer I think is probably doing a little more than yours, but mine is sitting at 62 degrees Celsius.

SPEAKER_02: 38:21

Almost double. I I I went with water cooling on the CPU, which I think is overkill, but nope.

SPEAKER_03: 38:31

It's always better water cooled.

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Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 38:37

Anyway, um the only way that I would shout out to the manufacturer who I bought this from because anyone who's looking for a computer.

SPEAKER_03: 38:44

You should sign up for a thing for that.

SPEAKER_02: 38:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cyber Power PC. I I they were a hundred dollars cheaper than I could have gotten the parts on PC Part Picker, plus they assembled it, plus I got a three-year warranty. So it's pretty amazing to me.

SPEAKER_03: 39:04

Yeah, and and I've bought one of my PCs from them as well. The there's two companies that are literally located within about 10 miles of each other, which is iBuyPower and Cyber Power, and they're the kind of two companies competing with each other usually. And I found that the Cyberpower had a little better configurations than iBuyPower, but they're both they're basically Chinese immigrant companies that do direct sourcing of components from China. Yeah, and then they're able to assemble those in California, which is actually interesting because that if they're still making them fairly quickly like this, it means they're not using illegal labor, which is surprising given that they're in Los Angeles, both those guys.

SPEAKER_02: 39:52

Yeah, and uh, but they're I thought Cyberpower was Canadian owned.

SPEAKER_03: 39:57

No. Okay. Nope. And then there yeah, I watched a documentary on them. They're literally 10 miles apart. Okay. And the other place that's right next to them there in the say a little further out is Neweg.

SPEAKER_02: 40:13

Yeah, yeah. And who doesn't love New Egg?

SPEAKER_03: 40:16

And which also was started by Chinese immigrants. Yeah, I've had an account on Newegg shit, dude, probably for twenty years. Maybe longer. And using them since they were a very little company. And they've they've managed to compete very successfully with Amazon. For component stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 40:41

Well, my the last gaming PC that I built, and I'm running a burn-in benchmark right now.

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Okay, good.

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The uh last the the I bought all the parts from New Egg.

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Yeah. Yeah, and I used to have a little business that built PCs. So I would kind of figure out what all the products were and then had some people that were assembling them for me. I used to sell PCs, little servers built specifically for photographers. And yeah, I mean I was getting pallets from New Egg coming in.

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In college, my first job, you know, outside of uh being a kid and having jobs as a kid, but my first job in college was working at a little Lynx Larry shop that's still in uh in town today. And I built I don't know how many PCs there, you know, just building custom PCs for people, including gaming rights and stuff. And we sourced all our stuff from New Egg almost.

SPEAKER_03: 41:46

Yeah. Yeah, I think the only thing that kind of gave any competition for New Egg was Microcenter, which I always loved Microcenter, even though it's gotten bankrupt twice. Because you could walk in and pick up parts, yeah, and unlike other stores like Best Buy or what's the one they closed? Fries. Microcenter actually had the stuff I wanted.

SPEAKER_02: 42:11

So and they had experts there that could be. But they had the stuff that I'm talking about for the general consumer.

SPEAKER_03: 42:21

Yeah, for the general consumer. But I I don't think it was mostly general consumer going to microcenter. I think it was a lot of guys like me that you know knew enough to know exactly what they want, and you could either get your stuff mail order or go to microcenter because they would carry the exact same. Like they would have the different brands of thermal paste. So you would you would get good thermal paste instead of the shitty one that came for free. They had the oversized fans that nobody was using back 15 years ago. But they already were carrying larger fans. So it's I've always liked that store. And there I think they there is still at least one around in Dallas. I think they've gone through two at least two, let me say, bankruptcies over the years. There's all you remember Comp USA, or was that before your time? Yeah, I do. So Comp USA was their main competitor back in the day. And Comp USA was more, I always thought, carried like more consumer products. Whereas Micro Center carried more enthusiast products. So I was kind of happy that they survived when Comp USA went under.

SPEAKER_02: 43:41

So we've had a lot of computer talk. We should probably get to politics. I don't know. We're both geeking out on this.

SPEAKER_03: 43:47

I know. Well, the you got a new toy, and I started reminiscing, and that's how it goes.

SPEAKER_02: 43:53

So I kind of want to start with the other ice shooting.

SPEAKER_03: 43:59

Okay. Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 44:00

Have you been paying attention?

SPEAKER_03: 44:03

You mean which other one?

SPEAKER_02: 44:05

The the guy that got shot this time.

SPEAKER_03: 44:07

Yeah, the uh good. No, no, good was the first one. Pretty. This one's pretty. I I posted immediately, which of course was too soon, probably. I said, if this is not a you know, a fake op, then explain to me why the two names are pretty good.

SPEAKER_02: 44:26

Well, it's not just that, but so now footage of him vandalizing ice vehicles has come out. Oh, yeah. And you know, he was looking to get in a fight with ice.

SPEAKER_03: 44:37

Oh, he was literally yelling at an ice agent as he's kicking, and he successfully kicked out the tail light on the suburban. That takes a significant amount of foot force to kick out the tail light. You gotta break every screw that's holding it.

SPEAKER_02: 44:56

And he's carrying a weapon, which isn't a problem. And you know, the some people on the right were making a big deal of him carrying an extra mag. I literally carry an extra mag every time I carry it. It's not a not an issue. It kind of balances you out, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 45:12

The people on the left all of a sudden are all for the Second Amendment, which is hilarious, right?

SPEAKER_02: 45:18

But here's the thing: I've really subscribed to the theory, so he was carrying a Sig P320.

SPEAKER_03: 45:23

Yeah. Shitty gun.

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And I know I I like the 320 personally.

SPEAKER_03: 45:28

That's why I called it a shitty gun right in front of me.

SPEAKER_02: 45:31

Uh-huh. But here's the thing: the uh he gets into this tussle with the ice officers. They see he has a gun, they yell gun, gun, gun. Yep. One ice officer is removing the gun and he's stepping away. And in one frame, it looks like the gun goes off, and that's the first shot. So these other ice officers who are standing there are going, Holy shit, he just shot. They didn't realize the gun was taken. So that's why you have all these ice officers unloading under.

SPEAKER_03: 45:58

Yeah, I don't I don't think it needs to be that complicated. The guy was visibly grabbing for ice agents' guns. That's all you need. So the now, my you know, it's been a few years since I've lived in Minnesota, but when I did live in Minnesota, I was a firearms instructor in Minnesota. I was a guy that you could take a class from to get your CCW from. So I had to teach people what the middle Minnesota law tells you about concealed carry. And one of the things that Minnesota law tells you is you have a duty to retreat and de-escalate. Well, you should only use Yeah, it's Minnesota, exactly. And so the you should only use your gun if your life is in imminent danger, not even for other people, just your life. And only if you don't have other options. Because in Texas we have very different laws, better laws, obviously. But by Minnesota law, if he was carrying, the activities that he was allowed to engage in were much more limited than the activities he could engage in if he was not carrying. There's also in Minnesota, at least back when I was doing the class back then and what now 15, 16 years ago, there was a requirement to notify a police officer that you are armed when interacting with a police officer. You didn't need to give him your gun, but you needed to let him know that you were armed, and then he could ask you for your permit and your driver's license. In the Minnesota, you have to present both a driver's license and a concealed carry permit.

SPEAKER_02: 47:48

So in Texas, you do not have a duty to notify, but if you're a licensed, if you've got a CHL, you have to you have to hand them your CHL when you are stopped. As part of your ID. But there is no duty to notify.

SPEAKER_03: 48:08

Yep.

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So there's some differences there. But look, I don't know if it was suicided by cop, like some people are saying, but it was definitely to provoke a response. Yeah. And I think the most likely aspect is either the cop pulled the trigger on the SIG accidentally because he was freaking out and nervous, or there was some sort of discharge.

SPEAKER_03: 48:35

If you watch the way that he picks the gun up, it's not in a position where his finger would have been near the trigger.

SPEAKER_02: 48:40

Right. Like he didn't pick it up. The slide clearly moves on that gun. The gun went off.

SPEAKER_03: 48:45

But that's the other thing. It looked like the slide was back. So he probably picked it up and immediately opened up the gun for safety reasons. And then could have certainly had a slam fire. Yeah. Which those guns are prone to do.

SPEAKER_02: 49:02

Well, any most guns.

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Let me let me clarify that in the hands of a police officer, the SIG-320 tends to fire by itself.

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Sure.

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We have three of them that have done that now.

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So anyway, I don't think the cops meant to kill the guy. Like, I don't think that's the like I had one friend of mine that's of a more liberal persuasion literally text me. So ICE is executing U.S. citizens in the streets now. And I'm like, that is so not what happened. But both with Purdy and Good, we have this, you know, what Scott Adams would call, shout out Scott, R.I.P. We we would have you know the one screen two movies effect. And what is so sick about Purdy, did you see that MSNBC ran a photoshopped image of him?

SPEAKER_03: 50:01

No.

SPEAKER_02: 50:02

Yeah, they they changed his jawline, they made him look better, they bulked up his arms and his chest.

SPEAKER_03: 50:08

But sort of what they did to Trump and Joe Rogan.

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Yeah, yeah. They literally made him more attractive.

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Okay.

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They're going for the Lu G the Mangioni effect. The Mangioni effect.

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I don't I don't understand.

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When you put the two images side by side, it is sick.

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But what does that get you?

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Like who it's liberal women wanting to fuck him and going, oh my god.

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Are by default automatically gonna say, oh, they killed him. He must have been the guy, you know, the good guy. Because that's how liberal women think. So you don't need to make them pretty for them to be on the on your side if you're trying to achieve that. That's the part I don't understand. It's like the photo manipulation shit doesn't do anything because the only people that think that that is a better representation are people that are already on your side anyway. So it's it's just silly to do. Whether somebody looks good or doesn't look good, just leave them alone. It's not gonna affect anybody. Like no one's gonna say, boy, I you know, if he was any uglier, I think I would be siding with ice. No one is saying that.

SPEAKER_02: 51:20

I don't know, man. I but MSNBC or MS Now rather, sure did it.

SPEAKER_03: 51:26

Well, CBS didn't.

SPEAKER_02: 51:29

Okay, and that's part of what people are saying is yeah, they're looking at both, you know, all the different coverage, and it's nutty to me, and I I saw this not quite real time, but probably within about half an hour of it happening.

SPEAKER_03: 51:44

And uh immediately from the two angles that we originally saw, I said, guys, if we're looking at this video in concealed carry class in Minnesota, this would be considered a clean shoot.

SPEAKER_02: 51:58

Oh, yeah, and the the officers aren't going to face any repercussions from this, but one of the things that's going on, uh I mean, you saw what's his name who does the undercover stuff. God, he which guy?

SPEAKER_03: 52:13

Uh Jose Rivera.

SPEAKER_02: 52:16

No, James Keefe. James O'Keefe.

SPEAKER_03: 52:18

Yeah, yeah.

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O'Keefe Media Group.

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Oh, with the crazy wig.

SPEAKER_02: 52:21

Right, but no, no, no. Did you see the text message he got?

SPEAKER_03: 52:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we know your car's license plate. Yeah, we know who's one hour to leave before you get killed.

SPEAKER_02: 52:33

And they're doing this to ICE officers. ICE officers are getting threat, death threats. They know what hotel rooms they're staying in. Like this is a very coordinated thing as Signalgate, the next signal gate, has proven.

SPEAKER_03: 52:47

Well, the guy that really kind of broke all the the signal gate thing, um is that I'm breaking out his name. I'm in the senior moment here. God damn. You don't you don't remember his name?

SPEAKER_04: 53:00

Who?

SPEAKER_03: 53:01

Cam. Cam Higby. So Cam Higbee was the guy that I hang out here with in Austin when he was here. Remember, I told you I I met up with him at UT and then some curious shit over when they set up their little he's one of the guys that kept doing prove me wrongs on college campuses right after Charlie got shot. Like Cam never stopped doing these. And now Cam's in Minneapolis and he's the one that just broke the signal gate thing, and just how well coordinated and professionally managed this whole operation is up there. So, I mean, the guy's doing God's work, and I I I gave him I gave him cash when he was here as a donation for that exact reason. Very good guy. So if you're not watching him on YouTube or or on X, definitely go look up Cam Higby. And he's got a couple other guys that are traveling the country with him to college campuses and stuff, but it's uh it's it's good stuff. They've definitely taken up the mantle of what like Charlie was Crowder used to do really more than Charlie before Crowder got big and then scared to leave his studio. Yeah, I I think Crowder's quite a bit. Cam is I I don't know. I'd say he's still in his twenties. He's he's probably in his mid to late twenties. I think those guys are like five years out of college, and so they're still young enough to not know the value of their lives, so they're they're willing to risk their lives at college campuses. Which is great because somebody has to, and it ain't gonna be the older guys.

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The people who have something to live for.

SPEAKER_03: 54:56

Well, I think when Crowder last time he was at a college campus, he had over 20 security guys with him. I mean that that that's not really what he used to do ten years ago when he was doing the Prove Me Wrongs. Yeah. But yeah, as far as the shooting, it was definitely a clean shoot. Anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't understand the law. Anyone that wants to bring a gun to a gunfight, ought to expect that they may not be the one walking out.

SPEAKER_02: 55:54

So Minnesota in general, with the pullback that we see the Trump admin doing, are you on the defeatist train that it's you know just Trump surrendering, or do you think what what do you think?

SPEAKER_03: 56:11

I think we're gonna see a lot of National Guard in Minnesota very soon. Yeah. And I mean non-Minnesotan based, because I've got guys that that I know that are pretty high up in there, and they've been getting a lot of a lot of their units to get coordinated for a large operation in the US.

SPEAKER_01: 56:35

Uh wouldn't be surprised.

SPEAKER_03: 56:37

So I think as soon as you hear that the insurrection act has been utilized, you're gonna find out that same day that there's 20,000 National Guard troops that just arrived. Literally like bigger than the city population size.

SPEAKER_02: 56:54

Well, with the Ilhan Omar winery investigation that's going on, all this other fraud investigation that's gonna be. I really think Minnesota and Georgia are gonna be the two states that break the Democrats back before the midterms. Like you saw the FBI raid, right?

SPEAKER_04: 57:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 57:21

On the election headquarters in Georgia.

SPEAKER_04: 57:23

Yeah.

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I that pretty fucking serious.

SPEAKER_03: 57:28

Yeah, it's good. It's just I wish somebody other than Pam Bondi was in there to actually hit this stuff, not somebody that just This is Trump's weakness. His kryptonite is blonde chicks. He just can't help himself.

SPEAKER_02: 57:46

I don't know. We'll see. I think he's put Bondi on a pretty tight leash.

SPEAKER_03: 57:50

Yeah, that she should have never been there. Dude, look at what Bondi's done in her career. She is not a constitutional lawyer, she's never litigated in front of the Supreme Court. She is basically Trump's personal blonde chick lawyer. That's all she was. She was doing cases for him in Florida. You don't bring that person in to handle I mean, you could you he could have given her plenty of work, right? Without making her the the US Attorney General. That that is just insane. So I think that's that was a one of his many female-related mistakes that he made.

SPEAKER_02: 58:38

Well, you know, it's it's gonna be interesting to see what all comes out of this, but I I think you have absolute all you need to invoke the insurrection act. I think it's clear that the president can do it. I think Tim Waltz and team are very dirty and very guilty. I think a lot of the Minnesota pop politicians are, and I think it's gonna be really interesting to see what happens. And it it's interesting that he pulled back Gnome and the other guy. Well, and then Tom Holman, who is a bulldog of his own right.

SPEAKER_03: 59:19

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Tom Holman is a you know, he's a career guy in that area where and he doesn't have to buy a new suit for every appearance.

SPEAKER_01: 59:32

Yeah, i.e.

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Unlike which, I mean, she really is the caricature of her on South Park. It's it like she lives up to that readily because when she's on the border in Texas, she's wearing like a southern dress uniform. When she's up in in DC, she's got a totally different look. Like every every video of her that you see, she's wearing different clothes. Which I mean, I guess maybe you shouldn't be surprised by, but generally people tend to stick to neutral like blue or gray and not really focus on what they're wearing. Nope. She likes the whole like she's cosplaying.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:15

She's got a border she's wearing. Totally. You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:18

Yeah, she's cosplaying. She's got a whole Instagram following of chicks that you know just want to see what is Christy gonna be wearing. So it is it it is pretty funny. So I don't think this is the the last death that we're gonna see as part of this ice thing. Probably two more is my guess. Before it starts to really calm down. But you gotta you gotta look at how well organized. Organizes. People that don't work, people that have the time in the middle of the day to go impede ice activities, to they have time all day long to drive around and spend money on gasoline and follow ice vehicles wherever they go. Who can do that? Who does that? And more importantly, you you literally can't do that as just a solo person, right? Let's say you got somebody like me that's trying to land the next client or get the next job. You got a month or two of free time between, right? Even if I wanted to do something like go and you know follow whatever, what am I gonna do with that information? Maybe put it on next, that'd be about it, like make it public. I'm not going to. I don't have a fucking network that that has 20,000 people that is maxing out signal. They're they're maxing out thousand-person user groups on signal, and they've got 20,000 people as part of this network in Minnesota. That that's a fucking army, man. That's not a like like the mob wish they had this. When you start making the mob jealous, I think it tells you something.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:03

The last thing, so we've been looking at a potential government shutdown, right? Because of basically the Democrats wanting to defund ICE.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:15

Yeah, they're saying that if if if this is what it takes to shut down ICE is just to shut down everybody, then then that's what we're doing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:24

Right. But they're looking to defund DHS, right, which is gonna bite them in the ass.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:30

I mean, it's also not a bad thing technically. I'm not fine with that. Hold on.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:34

Yeah, yeah. Like get rid of the TSA and everything, uh-huh. But it's not just the TSA, it's not just ICE, it's also FEMA and everything else, which I'm fine with getting rid of as well. But like it's like, okay, twist my arm, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:48

I think you get rid of all of the things.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:50

They just made a deal. They just made a deal.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:54

Here at 8 30 or 8 13 Eastern, they're gonna consider DHS funding separate, so there's not gonna be a government shutdown, which means it's it they will never have the votes to defund that, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:08

I think you get rid of the entirety of the Department of Homeland Security, and you also get rid of Posi Comitadas, and then we're cooking that yes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:19

But then you gotta at least break out immigration enforcement to some other agency.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:24

No, no, no, no. Oh, we didn't talk about this. Okay, so I've been talking to a bunch of people, including your mom, about this. But my latest idea.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:32

Real quick, a real quick aside before you do that. I just ran a CPU 100% test.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:38

And 100%, and the hottest I got was 70 degrees.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:42

Damn, that's like me doing nothing but looking at web browsers.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:47

Yeah, that was 100% load for 20 minutes or something like that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:51

Yeah, I'm sitting at 10% load at 62 degrees. Wow, that's good. You gotta get some good uh cooling going on. Yep. Yeah. Anyway, this seems like such an obvious thing, but we just need to stop all immigration for a decade. We need a moratorium of all legal, illegal, doesn't matter. Ten years, no more people come to the US. Period. Now, you want a vacation here? Fine. You show up on vacation. Guess what? While you're on vacation, you have a weekly check-in. If you don't meet that weekly check-in, guys with guns will show up and look for you. I think this is a very simple, clear, basic solution. That's number one. Number two, 20 million illegals in this country or more, that's the conservative number. How do you get rid of them? Well, the first thing you start doing is checking fucking passports. Someone doesn't have proof of their citizenship, they probably shouldn't be here. Get rid of them. And you you do those two measures, you stop all immigration for a decade, and you start checking everybody's IDs, and you guarantee you're gonna have a country that is 99.99% citizens. And even better yet, here's the third benefit, a side benefit, if you will. It's gonna piss off liberals so much that they're gonna go and live in Canada instead.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:23

Well, Canada's not gonna exist much longer, but yeah.

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Doesn't matter, they're gonna leave the US. And and it's not just talk either, because when we had the draft during Vietnam, there's a whole shit ton of people that all somehow were able to figure out how to financially leave the US. Go to Canada, go to Mexico, to go to whatever. Just not be part of the draft. Those are exactly the same types of people that we're dealing with right now in Minnesota. These are people who hate America. If you if you're not gonna be part of the draft, you hate America. I mean, you can't argue that point. You could say, well, I'm a non-violent person. Great. You could get drafted and you can be put into a position wash dishes. Exactly. You can you can shovel shit for four years. You could do things that aren't gonna require you to hold a gun. Wasn't there a movie about a guy that did that in Vietnam recently?

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:25

Like he was um so ironically, one of my friends growing up, they were Quakers, and his dad got drafted, and he, you know, they're conscientious objectors, right? And he was he was a medic in Vietnam. There's a combat medic in Vietnam.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:42

That's what you do. Yeah. So, like to me, this is so fucking simple. Is it solves multiple problems at once? You lean into the things that the liberals don't like, you make life here for them that much more difficult. A lot of them will just voluntarily self-deport, they'll just go away. And everyone that's like, well, wait, I thought you were all for like privacy and freedom, all this shit. It's like, yeah, but here's the problem: all of those things I want in a society where everyone respects those laws. Like, I want to be in a society where we're gonna be a high-trusty society. Yeah, like I don't want to have anybody checking anyone's IDs, but everyone has to be on board with the same laws. You can't have a society that selectively enforces laws. That's what happens when a whole state, at least a city of Minneapolis, but really more than just one city, it's more like the entire state, just decides to ignore not just federal laws, but even state laws for a large percentage of the people there. Because, well, I mean, for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which is having those people there enables them to have more power in Congress, more voters, census count. Yeah. So it's we just need to put a stop to it, man. It's time for a fucking reset. Well, I think we're heading to one. I I love would love nothing more than to see that. I I think it's I I just other than Trump himself, I haven't seen a politician with balls enough to do it. None of the people in Senator House would do it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:33

Yeah. Well, we'll we'll we'll we'll see what's gonna happen. Anything else on Minnesota immigration and all this before I move to something else?

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:41

Uh, I think we've kind of covered it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:44

It's uh so one of the projects I'm working on is that big data center out in North Texas, right? And they're talking about building four AP 1000 reactors and some small modular reactors. And I'm like, yeah, right. You're never gonna get that through permitting. Like Vogel 3M4 almost bankrupt, they did bankrupt Westinghouse and did a number on Southern Cooper.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:08

We got Trump in office now.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:10

And did you see what the boys done? Yeah, yeah, rewriting the NRC rules and deregulating the nuke industry where we might actually get some power. I'll tell you what, that happens. Yeah, your electricity bill is gonna drop to nothing. Let the data centers build their own stuff and everything else and run with it. They're powering themselves, they're running their own thing, they're not affecting the bulk electric system. Fuck yes. And when that data center's ready to retire, now you've got more generation for the bulk electric system. It actually makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:41

Yeah, it's really cool. I think it makes a ton of sense, but I also think nukes ought to be representing over 50% of the generation countrywide. It's insane that we're not there. I mean, I I I've never forgotten.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:55

Blame Chernobyl.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:57

Well, no, I would I'm blaming Seven Mile Island that preceded Chernobyl by Seven Mile Island. Oh, Seven Mile, yeah, three mile island. Because that really put the big freeze into nuclear power in the U.S. And whatever was already starting to get planned eventually got finished. But as you said, when was the last one?

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:23

Actually, actually, uh well, Vogel 3 and 4 just got completed a couple of years ago.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:29

But but actually, with the one of the companies I used to work for, we had a power plant that was they were in commissioning, like the fuel rods were there. They were about to start up when Three Mile Island happened. And this plant, Zimmer, and anybody can look it up, just Google Zimmer power plant outside of Cincinnati. They were about to fuel the reactor and start up. Well, because of Three Mile Island, the you know, NRC put a stop to everything and so on. Well, that and when they came back with the redesigns that they were gonna have to do, they said, fuck that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:05

And what they ended up doing was building a coal-fired boiler, a 1300 megawatt boiler, which on a single boiler feed pump is just insane. The largest, the largest single boiler in the United States and in north or in North America. And they actually used so they put in a tur different turbine, but they used the nuke turbine as the low pressure side of the turbine. They had the world's longest overpass to the low pressure side. So they had two generators and everything. I mean, and I got to walk inside this was going to be a boiling water reactor, and I have pictures from walking inside containment and you know the eight-foot thick concrete walls and you know, six-foot thick doors, and you walk in and the the control rods are still hanging there, dude. It was it was it was a surreal experience to get to go to that plant. Wow, that's wild.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:56

Yeah, I I just think the US is retarded in nukes. It has to be a good thing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:00

Well, Trump's changing it. I mean, the amount of regulations he has already cut, and you know, that source I sent you from MPR, they're bitching about it like crazy. Oh my god, he's gonna make it dangerous and so on. No, you know, nuke power is the most overly regulated industry out there. So a gen just to give you an idea, a a gas turbine facility, right? Uh even uh even something with a Hersik, so a combined cycle, might have 20 employees. A modern coal-fired power plant might have 200. Comanche Peak 3M4 for the company I used to work for has 1,600 employees.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:42

Yeah, it's insane.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:44

And the majority of that is due to regulations.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:50

Yeah, Comanche Peak is the only nuclear plant I've been at.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:55

Yeah, yeah, and it's outside of Dallas.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:57

Yeah. Yep. I told you the story about my GPS experience getting there, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:06

No.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:07

So this was probably like iPhone 3 Days, whatever that was. And Apple had just released their own maps app because they were relying on Google previously.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:23

And Apple Maps still sucks.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:25

Yeah, well, it's I don't know, it's not any different than Google at this point. But so I I had a tour of the inside of Comanche Peak, and so I was driving there, and I was using my Apple app for the direction. And you know, it routed everything fine and it got me there to avoiding traffic, kind of like ways. Did all that stuff. Except where it got me to was to a parking lot next to a lake where on the map there was supposed to be a road from that parking lot into the parking lot of Comanche Peak. So Google Apple was literally routing me to drive through the lake. That's funny. It's insane. It was like it took me another ten minutes to figure out how to get around the lake, the cooling lake. And get to the actual gate. So, yeah, that was a a big F on the Apple maps at the time.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:51

So on a slightly different note and a little bit of a programming note, my audio quality is gonna suck. Not next time, but the time after. And we gotta we gotta figure out a different day to do next week because I'll be on a plane.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:06

Yeah, we'll we'll work through it. Yeah, we wanna attempt to do a remote with Ben when he's on the other side of the world. Yeah, I'm gonna be in Guam. Yeah, some secret location. Guam gonna say I'm not gonna say what it is, but somewhere on the other side of the world. Next to a military base.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:27

I did uh I did get upgraded for two out of my uh four flights, so that's nice.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:32

Ooh, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:35

Upgraded to what? I thought you were a flying business.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:38

Yeah, well, change of plans. Uh-oh. Yeah, so I was premium economy, but I got upgraded to business on my flight from Hawaii to Guam. Okay. And my flight from Tokyo back to Houston.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:52

So oh, so you still have some non-business legs.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:56

Right, but that sucks. But my flight from Guam to Tokyo, I'm number one in the pool to get upgraded. Okay. So and there's six seats left. So I'm sure we're going to be able to do it off. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:08

From Houston to Honolulu, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:12

But yeah. That it's a long ass flight, dude. I'm flown from Texas. I've flown. Really? Is that yeah. I flew from LA to Hawaii, and that was I guess five and a half hours is long enough. It was a miserable flight. My worst flight, I think, was from Dallas to Seoul. Where I had the bad luck of being on a flight with a high school marching band. Which you know, you would think, well, what's the who cares? What's the difference? Well, here's the difference. Imagine having a flight, which you're, you know, planning to watch a little movie on and fall asleep, that has every seat around you, surrounding you, filled by 16-year-olds who are y talking non-stop with each other and with their phones. I mean, it was just like that was the one time in my life where I wish I had a drug, like drumamine or something, or a whole bunch of valerian that would knock me out for the duration of flight, because I could not fall asleep at all.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:39

Well, and that's one of the keys to beating Jack jet lag is go the fuck to sleep.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, there's two things that help with that. One is just if it's gonna be a long distance, like halfway around the world, I find that you can start just switching to that time zone like a few days early, the weekend before, preferably. Uh and then that makes it a lot easier to actually be awake and active in that time zone. But if you can't, getting just sleep, even if it's not in the normal sleep cycle, just sleeping the entire flight will help that tremendously.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:17

Yep. Anyway, this will be my first time flying United business class. So it'll be interesting to compare it, the new Polaris to, you know, a GN and Qatari and UAE and Singaporean.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:34

Well, we'll be disappointed, relatively speaking, but it should still be fine. I mean, their planes are not that old.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:40

No, I'm on the new Dreamliner ultra wide.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:46

But anyway, I'm stopping off.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:48

Flat seats.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:49

Yeah, yeah. Lay flat seats. Except for I'm in premium economy. So I'm stopping off in Hawaii for a day.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:57

So I would just uh switch over.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:59

It's a whole no, I I I get there Thursday like at three. Okay. And then I have to leave because of the dateline change because I have to be there Monday. Right. I have to leave Saturday at like three. So I'll get to go see Pearl Harbor and do a little bit.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:17

Yeah, you buy me a souvenir while you're up there.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:21

Well, and I get to see one of my buddies who this guy I know, Gerhard, he was involved with the UAE nuke stuff and everything. And he's got a house in Dubai and he lives in Hawaii, and he's married to a Miss Hawaii, and yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:38

Yeah, well, that's usually what happens when you're in that business.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:42

Anyway, by the way, my GPU burn-in test just finished. 100% utilization for like 20 minutes or whatever.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:51

I got up to 51C.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:54

That's also really freaking low. Jesus, you got a cold running. What's your ambient room temperature?

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:00

Uh let me see if I can see the thermostat one second.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:03

Mine's 76. I am at 70. Okay. So you got about six degrees better cooling on the whole house there. Yeah. Well, that'll be a part of it for sure. Yeah, yeah. But you're sucking in cooler air from the get-go. I need to keep my temperature in the 70s just for the snakes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:23

Yeah, but my uh the the pass-through that they've got where it's pulling in all that air, even through the radiator, seems to be a f actually a pretty good design. We were criticizing that earlier, but hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:36

Yeah, well that that's a good point, dude, because you were gonna swap stuff around immediately, but yeah, because I was like, why do they have these coolers set up this way?

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:45

Yeah, yeah. But you know what?

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:47

But I did the same thing. I told you. Like mine came in and it was blowing air down from the top of the computer case down into it. And I was like, this seems backwards. Let's I'm gonna flip this. So I end up flipping it around. But yeah, it's I think it'll be a good trip for you. We'll do we'll at least attempt to do a remote, even if you sound a little worse, just because it'd be kind of neat to do that with long distance like that. See if there's an even noticeable delay. But yeah. Looking forward to it. There was something else I was gonna mention. Oh, so as we're recording this, Trump just sued the IRS for$10 billion. For what? Over the leak of tax records.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:39

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:42

If he wins that, I'm very happy in so many ways, even though it's my tax dollars go into it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:49

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, he's got pretty good lawyers. Yeah, he does. Yeah. But$10 billion. See, that's the thing. When you're worth over a billion, numbers like that are not unrealistic in lawsuits. It it just seems like that's a crazy number for Alex Jones. Right. It's not really a crazy number for the IRS. Right? So something I heard, you know, we've talked about how pathetically shitty European military is and stuff, and how the US has the three biggest air forces in the world, right? Well, apparently it has four of the biggest air forces in the world, I just found out. Okay. The fleet of decommissioned planes is bigger than every other country's air force.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:55

Which I think is hilarious. We've got we've kind of got a monopoly on force globally, and people don't realize that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:03

No, they really don't. And then that's why the only their only comeback has been, oh yeah, well, you guys don't have any cargo ships, so fuck you.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:12

Yeah, because y'all use them for us.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:14

Yeah, because we have ports, dude. We have deep water ports. We don't need the ships when we have the ports.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:20

Yeah, and we do need more Jones Act vessels, you know, that are US owned and flagged, but that's neither here nor there.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:28

Yeah, but nobody wants to pay that tax.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:30

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:32

You could get a flag in Liberia for like 50 grand and carry a million cubic feet of cargo.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:39

Yeah, but your classification societies are really what drives the cost. What do you mean? So there exists these classification societies. American Bureau of Shipping is one of them. Okay. Lloyd's is one of them.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:57

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:58

Because what happened was this all comes out of insurance.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:01

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:02

It's all insurance driven. So Lloyd's famously started insuring shipping, right? And then they realized, oh shit, not all ships are the same. So let me classify your vessel to say, okay, you meet this class of vessel, you are maintaining it at the adequate, you know, engineering that you should, and therefore I can insure you. Yeah. Did you see France? While we're speaking of shipping, did you see France took a Russian tanker?

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:30

I did, yeah. We actually talked about that last show. I don't think we talked about France, did we? We did. We did. Yeah.

unknown: 1:24:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:39

I mean, I think you were not very excited about that, but yeah. I thought that would be pretty damn funny because they just take the Russian flag off and then put a white flag on the ship. Right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:51

Next thing you know, Germany will be saying we took one too. It's the one we took from France.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:56

Exactly. They're just gonna pass it around. Pass around a circle.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:00

So have you seen more of the Amelia stuff? Like I sent you the German one.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. German, Irish. I think that like some people are sticking too much to the actual character. I kind of like the the ones that just stick to the idea, but make the person look a lot more ethnic to their country. Yeah. Um, instead of just copying the purple-haired British girl and then putting a different flag in her. But yeah, it's the whoever came up with the whole idea of British government.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:43

They got fired.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:44

Yeah, yeah. It's it well, it was obviously an ad agency. I mean, somebody creative had to come up with it, but they they're never getting work again. Yeah. It's total backfire. It's like it's like coming up with you know, Tokyo Rose in the World War II, and then having that character become super popular with everybody. No, that's the bad guys, damn it. What are we doing? Yeah. Did you see this now? This is off international stuff, but back to the unfortunately the topic that makes its way into my feed way too often, Candace Owens. Did you see that trigonometry had Jeremy Boring on for first his first interview that he's done after leaving the Daily Wire?

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:36

And I didn't even know he left the Daily Wire.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:39

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's not Jewish enough.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:44

But makes sense.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:45

Yeah, I I figured that's you would you would like that one. It's the Jews. He moved on. He's he's gonna go from a very Jewish place like the Daily Wire to a much less Jewish place, Hollywood. So uh he wants to make movies.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:05

Well, I know he wanted to do the uh pin dragon.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:09

Yeah, all the all the actual cinematics, the non- all the non-political stuff they've ever done has all been him. Like that's his thing that he enjoys is the creative movie-making stuff, not politics. I mean, he is conservative and he is political, but he doesn't that's not his thing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:29

I would love for him to do, you know, the pin dragon, and you know what that's a reference to, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:37

Pin Dragon and King Arthur?

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:39

Yeah, yeah, Utter Pin Dragon.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:42

And you know, there are so many, so many stories like that that could be just so like the non-woke versions of every Disney movie, for example.

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:56

Yeah. Yeah. No, I I agree. I I don't know. I I think he'll he'll land well somewhere. He's got tons of cash. He's not that old. And I think he'll just focus on doing what what what is it called? Uh what is the social what's Tim always call it? Social follow you know, all the non-political people, like everybody else that doesn't care about politics, the way you change their minds and opinions is through social something. I can't remember what the word is culture, so or not social, culture, through culture war. Right. Is you just start making better quality everything else, and that does want to either it it makes more people watch your shit, or it forces the other guys to change what they're doing to be more like you, just to keep the audience. So culture war stuff is what I was thinking. So, yeah, but anyway, in this interview with the Brits, although the Brits are basically uh a Turkish guy and a Russian guy, but the interview with them was like I don't know what kind of a non-disclosure he has, but clearly not much of one. Because why the way it came out? Well, the filters were I mean, he just talked about Candace and all kinds of stuff. He he admitted to hiring Candace was probably his worst business decision that he's ever made. And he had some reservations when he was hiring her, but he felt like they were outweighed by the positives, but clearly sees that's not the case now. Explains how what she's doing is genuinely evil, and that she is really driven by lust for celebrity more than anything else. Like she doesn't care about the money, she's got the money, she cares about being Oprah. She wants to be Oprah. What what a life goal. Jesus Christ. I know, right? So yeah. But he also says, you know, but with that, she is extremely talented. She has charisma dialed up to 11. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on, if you actually meet with her in person, you will always walk away saying, Wow, she's really a nice person. Like she just, you know, she has that charisma tuned all the way up. And which is also, uh, one of the things that that she's got in common with Nick Quentes, is that he also has charisma turned up to eleven. Yep. And so the the content of what the these people are saying isn't what attracts others to them. It's frankly, in spite of their content, that they have so many people being attracted to him. And the other thing that was interesting to hear was how he puts Candace in a very different box from Nick and Tucker. And he says, you know, can like her drivers, what she's doing, what she's going for, very, very different than what these two other guys are doing. Because what do he thinks Tucker and Nick Fuentes have in common is that they are both working on rebuilding or creating a new it depends how you look at it a movement. Maybe not quite a political party, but very much a movement. And the way that he described it, I thought was extremely accurate and actually sent it to our group. And let me see, did I write something in here so I can quote myself or not? Jeremy Boring, yeah. Yeah, no, I didn't. Great. I should start actually writing more of these things. So he said that they are both working on this socially conservative economically liberal Christian Christian political movement. So it's it's a m it's a movement that brings in social conservatism combined with a like the inclusion of Christianity within the political sphere and also a fairly liberal or certainly what traditionally would think of as lefty economic policy. And I'd never really thought about it that way. I always just thought Tucker just went, you know, both Tucker and what's his face, just so far to the right, they've swung all the way around the backside to the left. But I I think he's absolutely right, because looking at both of these ideas and why there's more in common that they have, like Marjorie Taylor Green was another person that he mentioned in there as well, which I think is also true. Like, like all three of these people, Tucker, Marjorie Taylor Green, and Nick Fuentes, literally within the last 30 days, we have a bunch of photos of them hanging out with lefties. Because they have something in common. What they have in common is a more of a liberal viewpoint economics. And what makes this a little more complicated for people to envision because we're so used to left-right politics instead of a diamond, like the libertarian diamond, or a multidimensional, multifacetical perspectives that you know other countries tend to have with many different parties that all end up having to coexist together and create uh factions, is a faction that finds that it has a lot more in common with Democrats than you would think anybody that calls themselves conservative or America First should. But I I think it's pretty valid. And it it also reminded me of what I thought was a major problem for Trump in his first term when he brought in Amy Comey Barrett, who was by other lawyers that I you know trusted, was referred to as exactly this. Amy Comey Barrett is not a conservative. Amy Comey Barrett is a socially conservative Catholic liberal. That would be how I would have described her, and how my friends had described her, because she would always vote in a conservative way on social issues that came up, but she quite often would vote along with liberal judges on economic issues. And it kind of makes sense because people for whom religion and specifically Christianity is part of their political viewpoint, they're going to be more likely to agree with the take care of your brother mentality than somebody that's completely separating religion and politics. So for her, there is no disconnect here. Just like I think is the case for Tucker and for Nick Fuentes, is that you can interpret biblical stances and think of yourself as being completely consistent with your political views if you take socially conservative but economically liberal positions. So I thought Jeremy did a very good job on that because I'd never thought of it in those kind of senses.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:52

And we'll have to go back and watch that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:36:54

Yeah, I think it's about an hour. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:57

So for our last topic, I kind of want to hit back to the NRC topic we talked about. So I just threw a story in our in our chat if you want to go look. But so the US is now the third largest steel producer in the world. We just surpassed Japan.

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:19

Really? Interesting.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:20

And this is huge because the we're we are third only to China and India. But as power gets cheaper and these steel mills can build their own nukes the way the data centers are, yeah, the US steel price is going to plummet. And that is huge for the economy and jobs because all these power plants have to have employees, right? It's not just a data center with four employees. No, you've got quite a bit here. You've got the cheaper power enables U.S. steel to be competitive again because most people don't realize this, but steel mills don't run off of coal, they run off of electricity, right? And they're massive, massive loads. They're multi-megawatt loads, right? Like a steel mill can be over 10 megawatts pretty easily.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:19

I wouldn't be surprised if aluminum comes back. The company I used to work for, the utility, we had a we had a co-located power generation with an Alcoa facility for a long time over in Rockwall, Texas.

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:37

Well, I'm looking at a graph of of steel commodities.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:41

Its production capacity.

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:43

Yeah. But looking at the prices of cold-rolled steel, it was very flat from 1970 to about 2000. Like the price didn't really change a whole lot. And then it between 2000 and 2020, it doubled in price. Between 2020 and 2022, it it went from 2x of 1970 to seven times higher price on steel. Just a insane growth in steel prices, which would make you know production in the US be as unaffordable for anyone to buy because it was so much more expensive than the cheap steel you could buy overseas. And in the last year, that price has fallen back down, not quite to 2020 levels, but to about 350% of 1970 pricing. So I I think if you're uh if this is gonna happen the way you're describing, I think we'll see steel actually drop back down to and potentially get lower than in the real dollars, which we were in 1970.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:00

Which means construction, which means more booming, which means more industry.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:04

Well, industry in general, not just construction, it's all industry.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:08

Well, that's what I'm saying, construction of new industry, manufacturing, and so on. Like I don't think people realize how big of a boon reindustrializing this nation is going to be.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:20

And to be clear, it will be inflationary to do that, right? Because you're gonna be chasing few the input that will be that will be for the foreseeable future unable to be without importing people is people, right? So that's gonna drive inflation. You're gonna actually see real wage growth surpass inflation tremendously.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:46

Hopefully. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:48

But here's the thing. What happens what happens when people start making way better money because their real wage growth has happened? What do they do? You mean in this country or theoretically? In general, theoretically. Well, what they have more kids.

SPEAKER_03: 1:41:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's where you're going with it. Sure. Yeah. More kids. That's part of it. Yep. I mean, generally, people around the world, as their their income increases proportional or above inflationary growth, will start to increase their savings and be able to move from lower uh economic strata up to middle class and upper middle class. And really, that's how the upper middle class is created, is simply when real wages outpace inflation.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:39

I think average middle income families, if we see the continued reindustrialization of this country happen, I think we will have a very good chance of the returning to the norm of a stay-at-home mom.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41:57

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:59

And there are a lot of young girls that do not get and do not understand why the hell they ever gave them up.

SPEAKER_03: 1:42:06

They don't understand feminism. They're like, they screwed us. Why did feminists screw us?

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:11

Yeah. It's really my generation that's stuck with this feminist crap. Because here's the thing. Here's what I'll tell you Women in my generation are either falling into the feminist trap or they've been divorced and they go, you know what? Yeah. That sucked. I shouldn't have uh acted like that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:42:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think the kind of the last group of people that didn't live with you know, didn't buy into feminism, I guess, is like my parents' age or your mom's age, you know? Because um how old's your dad? Eighty eighty-six.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:57

Your dad is only six years older than my mom.

SPEAKER_03: 1:43:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:01

Yeah, my mom was the same age as your mom. There you go. Yep.

SPEAKER_03: 1:43:11

But I when I, you know, I observed it, right, as a kid, and throughout the uh late 70s, early 80s, in the change based on how many of my friends, kids' moms, were stay-at-home versus working somewhere. And in like 1980, it was probably about half. Half of my friends had moms that did not work outside the house. By high school, probably about 75% to 80% of my friends' moms worked, and only about 20% didn't work. And I think by the time you know the 90s rolled around, that number was getting a lot closer to 100%. Which makes sense because it's easy math. So you have a population of 100 million people, half of them are men, half of them are women. I'm rounding all the numbers for ease of math. Right. You have a GNP in the country based on 50% of that population working. I'm ignoring that many, you know, uh 20% are kids and 20% are retired. Just pretend it's all flat. So you have roughly 50% of the country that's responsible for creating the GNP of the country. And you've always had the opportunity for the other half to work, but it's a bad decision. And so most of them chose not to go work in industry or offices or anything, they they just worked at the home. And so if you are a globalist or even just a large corporation, and you're like, you know, if there's a whole glut of people that were available for these jobs for lower-tier jobs, we're not talking about executive levels. No, no, no, no, we can't replace those. But you know, if all of a sudden instead of having 10 people showing up to apply for a job, we had 20 people showing up to apply for an entry-level job. Well, that would maybe it wouldn't lower the salaries, it never does. But what it would do is absolutely would retard the growth in salaries because when you have that many applicants showing up, you don't really have to give raises. Hell, you don't even have to match inflation. You can have people making less in 10 years than they did when they started by only giving them 1% a year raise, and because inflation is going to be over that. So I think that's exactly what happened. The U.S. went from having uh, you know, 50 million people, men, responsible for generating the GNP to over the course of about 25 years or one generation to now having not quite double that number, but let's say 80%. So you go from 50 to 80 percent of the population, so you've just added another 30% of the population, which is really you've increased it by 60% compared to the original amount of workers. So you're you're you're gonna be able to have 1.6 people available for every one person that was available to fill a position 25 years before that date. And so you start the redardation of real dollar salaries, and that continues for that 25-year period and on after that. And so you you've effectively now been able to not pay the men as much because the women are now available to work. And you know, if someone wants to make the argument that, well, they're not competing for the same jobs, yeah, yeah, yeah, I give you all that. But over 25-year period of time, they are. Just like right now, there are more female graduates in every single university right now than male graduates. Women will represent over 50% of all workers in the United States. If they haven't already, they're gonna do that within probably 10 years, unless something drastic changes. There are more women who are qualified, more women that are taking jobs that are non-physical jobs, non-physical labor jobs, than men right now. There are more women going into computer science than men right now. You know, it's like things that traditionally were very male nerd heavy type professions are absolutely not any longer. And so the net result of all of this is that inflation for products, which is more global, it's more based around not just what happens in the US, but what happens in the whole world, since 1970. I actually don't know the numbers since 1970, but since 1980, I know we've done the math on my other podcast, unrelenting.show, but we're roughly at 3x inflation since 1980. So something like a hundred thousand dollar house in 1980 today is about, depending on where you live, anywhere between 300,000 and 600,000. In 1980, a management job in technology paid$80,000. That job today does not pay$240,000. That job today, or the equal job, pays about$150,000. Which is about a 60% reduction versus inflation of what that salary was. The buying power that my parents had, and your parents, is, or at least your mom, is vastly different than the buying power that somebody that just turned 30 has today. It's I mean, I don't I kind of discount people in their 20s because that that initial decade really, but at least a minimal of five years just after college, you don't have money for anything. I mean, you're just trying to get through and get into something. But by the time you hit 30, you're somewhat have achieved whatever you're trying to achieve, and you're you're you're showing regular increases in your wages every year. Yada yada yada. But those numbers are not comparable, you know. The the most expensive car in 1980. Well, I know what it was in 85, it was$31,000, the most expensive American-made vehicle. And it was a a Lincoln Mark 7 with every single option and a BMW turbo engine. I know that because my mom had one of those. But I I think the I can say definitely for sure, in 1980, a Cadillac was$10,000. And that that was a towards the very top end of the cars. In 82, I remember looking at Toyota trucks, and they were all in the$7,000 to$9,000 range. I never looked at the big trucks, so I don't know. I don't have a figure for Ford F-150s from back then, but I'm sure they were in that same price range. But it's the net effect of introducing 60% greater amount of people in the workforce has to, it absolutely has to lead to what we saw, which is a difference of roughly 60% between wages and inflation over the course of about 25 years.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:30

And you wonder why people can't make it on a single income unless you're oh yeah, yeah, you really can't.

SPEAKER_03: 1:51:37

I mean, it takes it takes the equivalent of two incomes. So either you're making better money than the average person and you can live on that alone, or you need two people working just to make ends meet. So effectively, what whether you want to call it globalists or corporations or whatever, what they did is they figured out that the way to make the cost of people cheaper is to incentivize more people to enter the workforce. And that's what they did. And it results in greater profitabilities for these companies. It results in all kinds of social changes as a result of that. It results in an insane uptick in divorce rates, results in majority, the vast majority of children growing up living in divorced households right now. The idea of your parents actually staying together until your 18th birthday is extremely rare right now. Everyone's got as many relatives from you know, they're not genetically related to because of marriage now. I mean, the profound changes in society, all of which tend to kind of pivot towards lefty politics. It's the same thing that happened with the breakup of the black American family a generation previous in the 1950s. You know, black Americans families used to be more they had a lower divorce rate, they were more setting up.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:15

Yeah, a lower out-of-wedlock marriage. Yep. Or out of wedlock birth.

SPEAKER_03: 1:53:19

Yeah. They were the sort of what people fondly remember as back when America was, you know, in its heyday, when it was great. It absolutely was for black families as well. And that family unit got destroyed by the U.S. government. It was in corporations this time, it got destroyed by the U.S. government thinking, and by U.S. government, I mean the Democrats working in the U.S. government, who've always seen people that have dark skin as being stupid and incapable. They they have a prejudice of there's a technical term for it that I can't remember, but basically, it's the idea that we have to take care of stupid people, and we know these people are stupid because they're black. That's the that's the thought pattern of these Democrats. And you know, that's the same ones that are all talking about how systemic racism and uh white guilt uh exist and like we're all racists whether we want to or not because we're born that way. They're talking about themselves. They're not talking about us, two of us. We make jokes that are racist, but we're not racist. Those people are actually racist. Their worldview says that a black person in 2025 is incapable of going to DMV, showing a birth certificate, and obtaining a driver's license. They're too stupid to do that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:53

I I like that going to DMV.

SPEAKER_03: 1:54:57

Well, I don't know. Where do you get a driver's license? On the DMV? Is that wrong? Uh in Texas, it's DPS. Okay, whatever. You know, Department of Motor Vehicles was what I was thinking of. But wherever different states have different places that are all you can make fun of them in the same way because they all involve long lines waiting to get serviced. But they think black people are too. Yes, you do, and then the place you show up to for your appointment has a sign on the door that says, We lost power, sorry, gone for the day. You remember that, right? Yeah, yeah. The last time I got my driver's license renewed, I made the stupid appointment, and then they weren't there. So I had to go to a different location without an appointment, and then thankfully, to my ability to project strong sympathetic type persona, I I made people feel sorry for me for having that happen and got in without an appointment. But yeah, it it's you know what would be better is like if you just had a sufficient enough number of these places that you didn't need to make an appointment. This is one thing I will say that they did right in Minnesota. It's probably the one and only time I'm gonna say that. You know what they did? They they created miniature little DMVs in all the AAA offices. So now this doesn't work today, right? This is for its time. So AAA, American Automobile Association, was the place that not only did you have towing insurance effectively from, but it was the place that put together all your triptych maps for your trips to places that you didn't know where you were going. So they had this massive catalog of the entire country down to street level on paper. And if you've never seen a triptych, this is something historical. I I actually have a uh talking to you, I'm talking to the listeners if they've never seen a triptych.

unknown: 1:57:15

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02: 1:57:16

I was saying I have I still have a paper atlas in my truck.

SPEAKER_03: 1:57:20

Okay, all right. But you know what a triptych is, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:57:23

Yeah, it's the it's the basically turn-by-turn instructions, page by page you could print out.

SPEAKER_03: 1:57:30

Exactly. It's turn by turn instructions, but remember, this was done before computers really could do this kind of thing. So they literally have the entire country's map if like on the scale of if the actual map was the size of a city block, and then that was chopped up into it wasn't even eight and a half by 11, it was smaller than the it was like half pages, so like uh probably four and a half by eleven pages, or what uh what's the other opposite? It'd be like so 11 would be five and a half, eight and a half would be four and a quarter, right? So so it'd be basically eight and a half by five point five size sheets, and then they they did a what do you call those things you where you punch the holes in and then you have the binder through them? Anyway, they did like a comb binder. No, no, like a comb binder, like the plastic binder.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58:30

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:58:30

So they would they would you would tell them, I'm going from Chicago to Cincinnati, and they would look up which pieces of those, which map maps covered that, go grab all of those for your entire trip, and then put them all into a a binder for you, and then you'd have like something that was effectively a custom trip street level atlas, but only for your trip, showing every road along the trip, and then they would just use a yellow highlighter and show you where you were going down those roads for its time, pre-computer or GPS, it was absolutely the easiest way to go down somewhere. And so they had offices, there were triple A offices, you know. Like, I don't know, there's probably at least one or two in every city. And what they where I started this whole conversation, what they did smart in Minnesota is instead of just building more Department of Vehicles offices, they deputized effectively these triple A offices so that they could process everything except for new licenses. So they couldn't do new licenses, but if you had to renew, if you had to pay something, if you wanted to change your last name because you got married, like you could do all of that at a triple A office instead of going to the DMB. So something where you take a private company and you partner with them from the corporate entity to allow them to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00:06

What company would you what company would you do that with today?

SPEAKER_03: 2:00:11

Oh, H E B. Absolutely, 100%.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00:13

I was we were thinking the same thing.

SPEAKER_03: 2:00:16

Yeah, totally. I mean, that's that's kind of what it was like is that this is a place you would go to semi-normally anyway for other things. You might as well also get your driver's license we need there, and then you just be like walking out of the grocery store and going, Oh, there's no line. I think it's a a month and a half too early, but I'm just gonna go and update my license right now. Yeah. Kind of a no brainer. And if you did it right, you could theoretically. Eventually, just phase out the entirety of the public portion of that and just have that be a government activity that was done purely by public service or private services, private industry. Just like what they should do with the US Post Office. US Post Office should have been effectively a contractual relationship between FedEx and the US government.

SPEAKER_02: 2:01:12

Well, fuck that. Not even a single company. You could spread out.

SPEAKER_03: 2:01:15

Multiple companies, yeah. Whatever it is. But the point is, the actual USPS only job should be to manage the private industry that is taking care of that function. It shouldn't be the one doing that function and creating a bunch of employees that drive around in cars. Look at what Amazon employees and contractors. Right. But but look at what what they didn't used to be. Used to be there was a very strong union in the U.S. Postal Service, and the only people that were delivering mail were actually part of the postal union. Yeah. So, but look at like when you give a problem of oh, we got to deliver a whole bunch of stuff to Uber Foods or Amazon, what do they do? They farm it out to a whole bunch of independent contractors. There's no reason that couldn't have happened with mail. Now, I think right now USPS kind of does that as well because I've seen normal vehicles showing up delivering mail, but that should have been happening a long time ago. For a company that's not not made any money, according to them.

SPEAKER_02: 2:02:18

Well, part of that is also having to prepay their pension that no other government agency has to do.

SPEAKER_03: 2:02:24

Which no they shouldn't have had it. That's the other thing. Like, I'm actually kind of happy that they prepaid their pension, which is a a better thing to do than just to say, fuck you, employees, you thought you had a pension, turns out you don't. So I think if you're gonna have something called a pension, you really should pre-fund it.

unknown: 2:02:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 2:02:47

But all these government services ought to be provided by private companies. And that's the opposite of the politics of guys like Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Green.

SPEAKER_02: 2:03:01

Well, I'm all for privatization of a lot of stuff. Alright, dude.

SPEAKER_03: 2:03:08

Alright, so we'll uh yeah, next one will be a remote, and we'll catch you all in about a week.