Late Start And Salad Confessions

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Howdy Ben, how are you today? I'm doing alright. Gene, we're running a little late because I feel nobody knows or cares because no one listens to us live while we're recording. Yeah, I know, but it's it I I just kind of gotta own it. I was watching TV with my daughter and laying on the couch and zonged out.

SPEAKER_04 0:24

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 0:25

Old man. Soon. That's what happens. That's what happens. Soon. Soon. So while I was waiting for you, I got a salad. My doctor told me to eat salad. Well, I didn't say I was dying. His doctor was in utter horror when I told her that like a typical meal for because she knows I only eat once a day, right? She knows that much. Yeah. But when I told her that, you know, it's probably like six chicken breasts is a meal, for example. You know, cooked up tasting.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

You know, how big are the chicken breasts?

SPEAKER_05 1:09

Regular size? How big is the chicken? Not Costco size, not like a mega gigantra chicken size. Oh regular chicken size.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

So like eight ounces. Sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:21

Yeah. So like 48 ounces of chicken. And you know, that only has about 400 grams of protein there. In that entire, it's mostly water, you know. That's how chicken breast goes. So I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but she was like, oh my god, you're you're killing yourself. So I promised her I'm gonna eat salads for till next time I go to the doctor to get the blood drawn and stuff and see if it makes any difference. So now I'm eating a salad, so I got a nice Caesar salad. But I don't like Caesar dressing, so I got it with blue cheese and a little bacon, a little chicken. I got six chicken breasts in there plus the Caesar.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah, and I uh recommended a salad place for you.

SPEAKER_05 2:16

You did, yeah. So I'm actually ordering it right now for tomorrow. I'm getting they it's a good like they got a ton of ingredients here.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Yeah, for anyone who has this chain in your area, salata, it's it's pretty good. I think it's expensive. Gene thinks it's cheap. It's not cheap, dude.

SPEAKER_05 2:36

Well yeah, the the one I got today was like 40 bucks. How do you spend $40 on a salad? I don't know, man. Well, it's it's okay with delivery. I have delivery. But it's easy, dude. Put thick chicken breasts in there and you'll find out.

SPEAKER_03 2:56

There you go.

SPEAKER_05 2:58

Anyway, yeah, honestly, if I wanted to eat cheap, I would just eat Subway because Subway is probably the cheapest place to eat, but you can't eat there more than once a month.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

I don't think Subway is that good for you.

SPEAKER_05 3:11

That's what I mean. That's why you can't eat there more than once a month. Even even if I'm not trying to be all salad y, I still wouldn't eat there very often.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Yeah. But um we got some kind of interesting news today. Yeah, what's that? Someone drew a giant 8647 on the National Mall.

SPEAKER_05 3:32

And you want to explain to people what that means?

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Well, significantly. I mean, it it started with Comey, right? So to 86 something is to get rid of. You know, there's various apocryphal meanings

The 8647 Message And Threats

SPEAKER_01 3:46

on what it means, but regardless, a to 86 something needs to get rid of it. And 47 is a reference to Donald Trump.

SPEAKER_05 3:57

Yep. So it's basically it's it's a threat. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

Yep. So they're investigating it, but anyway.

SPEAKER_05 4:12

I always thought 86 was from Vegas.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Yeah, the mob and eight miles out and six feet deep.

SPEAKER_05 4:22

Turns out that's not where it's from.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

Where's it from?

SPEAKER_05 4:26

It's it's from rhyming slang or NYX to 86 is to NYX, and NYX, of course, for a long time is meant to get rid of. Yeah, yeah. So it's uh from the 1920s. Interesting. And it was commonly used in soda fountains. Like when they ran out of ingredients, they would write 86 next to the item. So anyway, from our more modern viewpoint, it's it's more something we'd see in mob movies.

SPEAKER_06 5:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 5:05

When they want to get rid of somebody and get rid of permanently or you know, with extreme prejudice. So definitely a death threat is how I would interpret it, which is the way Comey meant it, obviously. So what do you think? Comey's really.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:30

Well, I mean, we have satellites. I I'd be I would think it wouldn't be that hard to play back the video.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Uh it will be interesting to see what they say.

SPEAKER_05 5:42

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

Yeah. Of course, it could have been the aliens just doing new crop circles.

SPEAKER_05 5:48

Well, uh, of course. I mean, that's because they like to do crop circles in Roman numerals or Latin. Or I guess it wouldn't be Roman, would it? It'd be Arabic numerals. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Yes. Yeah. Ooh, maybe it's the Arabs.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Oh, we also had we also had a scare headline today at the Pentagon. A shelter did you see that?

SPEAKER_05 6:12

No.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

There was a shelter in place order and a hazmat and whole bunch of stuff. Okay, interesting.

SPEAKER_05 6:22

Didn't that actually uh didn't you didn't pay attention to shit today, did you? I kind of

Pentagon Scare And Feeling Off

SPEAKER_05 6:28

I I wasn't feeling well today, dude. I I was kinda out of it for the first half of the day. I really only kind of got my shit together around lunch. And and I I don't know why, because I got a easily 10 hours of sleep. And then I just was non-productive, very tired, very I wasn't sleepy, but I was tired, you know what I mean? Yeah. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

Anyway, I've been I've been sluggish all day because I didn't take my muscle relaxer till way late last night. And yeah, so it's just you know how that's that's true.

SPEAKER_05 7:07

Yeah. Well, it doesn't make it easier for the aliens to put in the the probes in there if you relax your muscles a little bit, so it makes total sense.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Yeah, Gene, you know this, but uh audience doesn't. I've had a very interesting week with lots of highs and lows and in-betweens. But you know, found some things out about my health that might be a solution and a way forward. So that's exciting. That's good.

SPEAKER_05 7:39

Yeah. No, it's uh you know, you never stop looking.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

That's the key, right? Well, and that that's the thing is you've got to be very active as a patient if you

Fighting For Answers In Healthcare

SPEAKER_01 7:51

want to get an answer. Like I had to really hit my doctor up, the doctor that ordered the MRI, hard to get a response on hey, what did you read here? Right. And his entire thing is talk to your primary care and get a referral to neurosurgeon. It's like fucking hey, thanks. I sent you two articles, you know, of hey, here are two case studies where this was my exact situation, you know. Right, right, right. Like down to which vertebrae are compressed, and you know, no even academic interest in oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_05 8:29

Yeah, that's the wrong doctor. You gotta get better doctors. I I I like the doctors that I can sit and bitch for a while with. Exactly. And and I did that again with this last visit, not as long as with my Cairo. I mean, he and I were just like bullshitting for a good half hour and then some, but still, you know, mostly talked about how shitty medical insurance companies are with my doctor, and then she came up with some creative ways we're gonna try and get some stuff approved.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

So we'll we shall see. Well, I anyway, so in this over a year I've been dealing with this, you know, I don't go to primary care unless something's up, right? Yeah, well, my primary care doctor retired and I didn't even know it. So I've got to get in as a new patient with that.

SPEAKER_05 9:16

You've got the Darren problem though.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 9:20

So yeah. You know, I asked mine that about a year and a half ago.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

When you're retiring?

SPEAKER_05 9:27

Yeah, I did. I said, How how long are you gonna be uh working? Well, when do you plan retiring? And he said, probably 15 to 20 years. I'm like, okay, we're good. I don't need him now. I I usually will go see the the nurse practitioner chick, which saw I saw this time, unless I have something that I need a man to figure out. But uh everything. Yeah. Very good, very good. No, it's it's more an issue of like if I want an emotional response about how frustrated I am with my insurance to help me write some crap for the insurance company to get approved, she'll do a much better job than him.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 10:14

If I need something just done, then I'll usually go to him because he doesn't require me to explain. I'll I'll just say, yeah, it looks like this. I did some searches on the internet, here's what I figured out, and here's the drug that seems to be the one that people like. What do you think? And he's like, Yan try it? I'm like, Yep, okay, here you go. So that's my typical conversation with him. Yeah. Um, and I I like a doctor that is doesn't have to feel superior to you.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

That can be one that one that can recognize, hey, I'm an intelligent person who can read a study just the way you can. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 10:57

So I may not have your specialty, but I'm not sure. You don't want to lose the yeah, and I I definitely want to hear what he has to say about it. Yeah, I don't want to just but it doesn't mean I'm gonna just do nothing, no research on my own, because I've if I'm gonna do research about something that that I'm gonna take, put it in my body, I'm gonna spend way more time researching it than he ever would. So speaking of research, so what do you think about getting the uh uh what is it? The uh yeah, it's I'm trying to remember what the hell shot it is.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

Uh it's uh it's the like Ozympic?

SPEAKER_05 11:44

No, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

Like

Vaccines, Risk, And Aging Debates

SPEAKER_01 11:46

a I sent you a whole video on that.

SPEAKER_05 11:49

On Ozempic?

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:51

Today?

SPEAKER_01 11:52

I didn't see No, a few days ago. Did you watch it?

SPEAKER_05 11:55

I've seen a bunch of them lately on Ozympic. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

It may have been one of the about the doctor talking about how horrible it is and why the hell are you doing this? That it's based off Hela Monster Venom.

SPEAKER_05 12:06

It's not based off. They've been developing stuff. No, no, no, no. I wish it was. It that would be better. The the Hila Monster is an amazing creature.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Yes, but go go watch that. I'll watch the video.

SPEAKER_05 12:20

I'll watch. There's actually a new one that just came out that's supposed to be even better than the Zempic. It also includes it includes a thermogenic.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 12:36

Which makes it even better.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Because it's forcing you to burn fat?

SPEAKER_05 12:41

Yeah, it's basically it's got three components. One makes you not hungry, another one that will burn fat, and then the third one, which will actually increase your body temperature so that you're you're gonna end up spending more calories in the heat.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Okay. So cool. But what is the shot you were talking about?

SPEAKER_05 13:02

No, it's the staff. Staff? I think it's a staff, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 13:11

What about it? Staff infection. So they're recommending I get this shot. I'm like, I'm never outside. Why why do I need this? You know, if I was digging in the dirt all the time, then that'd be different.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

Are you talking about not staff? You're you're talking about lockjaw.

SPEAKER_05 13:32

No, not lockjaw. Lockjaw? What the hell is that?

SPEAKER_01 13:36

Oh god, tetanus.

SPEAKER_05 13:37

Tetanus shot. There you go. That's what I meant. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

Which can cause lockjaw if you let it.

SPEAKER_05 13:42

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'm immune to it anyway. But either way, it's not like I'm digging in dirt, so I don't really see a reason to get a shot. And they're like, well, you know, as you get older, and especially with diabetes, harder to fight all this stuff, so you should be proactive.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Well, I I dude, I've the last time I got a techno shot was over a decade ago. Yeah. Because I was in the river and I stepped on a rusty piece of rebar that had been, you know, whatever, and went right through my watershoe. I had one as a teenager. We we talked about this.

SPEAKER_05 14:22

Yeah, I did a similar thing. And I, you know, I mean, it's if I was still jet skiing like I was five years ago, six years ago, like pre-COVID, I would have no problem getting this proactively right now. Because that that makes sense. Like you're at a higher risk exposure because you're in the water, you can't see what the hell is underneath you. And the older you get, plus the diabetes, that that does mean that it's gonna be harder for my body to fight off stuff like infections like that. So I and it's old school tech, right? This is not some mRNA bullshit, that's an old school vaccine. But it still kind of begs the question of like, do I need to just proactively start doing vaccines just because I'm getting no?

SPEAKER_01 15:10

No, no, no. What you need to do is if you get injured or something happens, you step on a rusty nail, then you consider it. Yeah. You know, and has it been 10 years or more since your last one? That sort of thing. 30. Okay. Well then, you know, if you step on a really bad rusty nail and stuff. Oh, it wouldn't be good. Yeah, I would consider it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:31

So that's one, and then there's another one that they were shingles, maybe? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

Maybe shingles. Did you have chicken pox or the chicken pox vaccine?

SPEAKER_05 15:43

Yeah, I had chicken pox when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Which I think it's supposed to last a lifetime, isn't it? Right. So chicken po the shingles is a real emergence of the chicken pox stuff. So you could end up with shingles, but again, as long as your immune system stays okay, yeah, odds are not. But here's the thing: the people who really need the shingles vaccine are the people who took the chicken pox vaccine. Because if you didn't have chicken pox, I never had the vaccine. If you took the chicken pox vaccine, yeah, and never had chicken pox naturally, and you don't take the shingles vaccine, you're at a higher likelihood of ending up with shingles than someone who just had chicken pox naturally. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 16:27

Not medical advice, but gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it that that makes some sense. My parents were the old school, you know, they're like, just go get sick. You know, they would they didn't like the vaccines. I don't I I think my last vaccine I ever had literally was that tetanus shot when I was like 19. And before that, the last vaccine, I think I was about 10 years old. So I've not gotten much since then.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

My last vaccine, other than a tetanus shot, was literally the second vaccine they gave me as a child that I had a reaction to, and my mom said no more.

SPEAKER_05 17:03

Nope, you're done with that shit. Exactly. And the the the more common thing that they they're now telling me, you know, you're in the right age where you should start doing this, is a uh vaccine for pneumonia. And like I how often do you get pneumonia?

SPEAKER_01 17:25

Well, it's easier as you get older.

SPEAKER_05 17:28

I suppose, but I I've never had it. So I don't see why I would get it. You know, I don't play with kids. I shouldn't get shit like that. So I don't know. My inclination is just to say no to all three of these, but but not because I'm like, you know, I just don't like the word vaccine, but more like they haven't really sold me on the rationale behind it. As I said, if I was still like jet skiing and stuff and I was in the water all the time, I would totally get that shot. Yeah. So but yeah, I guess I think pneumonia is something that that's more difficult to get through the older you are. Like technically, I think my mom died from the pneumonia, but you know, it was all part of that whole COVID bullshit thing.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

So do we want to talk about the black people going off or the white people going off?

SPEAKER_05 18:33

Oh, you you want to do that. Okay, I figured we'd start with the should you take the law into your own hands conversation.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

Well, I think this this kind of leads up to leads into okay, alright, that's fine. So which one? Carmelo or Ireland? Let's do the Carmelo. Well, guilty,

The Carmelo Verdict And Backlash

SPEAKER_01 18:58

two hours of deliberation, and 35 years.

SPEAKER_05 19:02

Why is it not a uh death sentence?

SPEAKER_01 19:06

Because he's 17.

SPEAKER_05 19:08

So why is it not a that's it? That's the reason?

SPEAKER_01 19:11

The the stupid the jury decided to be lenient, and here Jasmine Crockett is out there going, it's a range they could have done from five to ninety-nine years. Yeah, they could have done that. Yeah, why did they do 99 minimum? That is insane. I mean, at that point, at that I mean, really, 35 years, the kid's gonna be in his 50s by the time he gets out.

SPEAKER_05 19:34

He's not getting out, he's gonna get killed while he's in prison.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Oh, yeah. Uh, there's already been memes about him and Diddy.

SPEAKER_05 19:41

Yeah, yeah, I saw that. That one I saw.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

But people are going off and acting like this is some miscarriage of justice and everything, but the It kinda is.

SPEAKER_05 19:52

He ought to be dead.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

Yeah, I I I agree with you, but the problem is they see it as he should have walked.

SPEAKER_05 19:59

For what? For killing a dude, he should have walked? How does that work?

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Because our racial identity politics in this country has gotten that far.

SPEAKER_05 20:10

Fucking woke right. So sick of those guys.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

Woke left, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:16

Whatever. They're all they're all woke. Anybody that that bases considerations like that, a person's what's the word, immutable characteristics is fucking insane. What matters is who's the one that did the killing? That that's the bit you gotta do. For no reason.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

Like he originally tried to claim self-defense, but the testimony ended up coming out where the Medcalf, the kid, the kid that got killed, yeah, said, Dude, I'm not fighting you at a track, mate.

SPEAKER_05 20:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

And you just need to go, right? And Carmelo already had the knife out, yeah. And literally, as soon as Medcalf went to push him out of the tent and say go, just stabbed him. So yeah, I'm sorry, but no, the kid needs like 35 years, I think it's a little lenient, but at the same time, he he's still an obviously an idiot child, but this isn't a kid that was raised in the hood or something, he's in a very affluent part of Dallas.

SPEAKER_05 21:23

Oh, really? Well, I didn't know that. I thought he was a hood rat.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

No, okay. Yeah, the high school he goes to is majority white.

SPEAKER_05 21:33

Hmm. Okay. Well, so he's basically because it it's the culture he's getting from rap videos.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Well, it's not just that, it's obviously his family because they raised a shit ton of money for his legal defense. And guess what? They didn't spend it on his fucking legal defense. He had a public defender. Really? Yeah. They bought houses, they bought cars, they did all things. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 21:57

What that's crazy. That is nuts. So you know me, I'm old school, man. I I believe an eye for an eye. It just makes things simpler. And and it it's it's insane to think that people would want to try and argue for someone who got 33 years for killing the other guy, arguing for leniency. Now, mitigating circumstances can affect that, but from what I've seen and what you're selling me now, there were no mitigating circumstances. This this is just murder.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

And mid midcalf's twin brother. I I would not be surprised if he isn't going to jail in 30 some odd years. Like if you look at his body language, it is complete and utter fucking oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:53

Well, twins don't like when the other one gets killed. That's uh that's a no no good.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

Anyway, as a result of this now, we've had multiple protests, multiple attacks on individuals. One guy was riding his bike and comes across this white guy near the courthouse and says, Were you on jury selection? Not even the jury, but jury selection, which makes no sense, and goes over and punches him. And it's like, no, I wasn't, you know. But they don't care. Like, no, the I I I hope this is such a clue cut and dry case. I hope this isn't what kicks off a fucking race war, but the way the people are acting, geez.

SPEAKER_05 23:37

I mean, if we're gonna have a race war, maybe uh it ought to happen right now. Okay. Because I don't, you know, having a race war with an Obama or Biden in office, no good. Yeah. That that's basically what the UK is. The UK is basically the race war with people in charge that will do anything to God. Well, Ireland's growing some balls, some you know, right.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

But what was the precipitating incident?

SPEAKER_05 24:11

I don't even know. What was it?

SPEAKER_01 24:13

You don't know? No, I don't know. I'm not Ireland. Oh my god, in Belfast, there was a migrant who put a guy down on the street, stabbed him in the eyes with a kitchen knife, and then was trying to behead him before the guy's neighbors came and hit him.

SPEAKER_05 24:28

Oh, I guess I did hear that. That's right. He was trying to behead him. Yeah, because that's the way you're supposed to actually kill

Belfast Violence And Ireland’s Breaking Point

SPEAKER_05 24:33

people. I mean, I I like hearing that the Irish are not wanting to put up with this. I've just kind of written Europe off. Like they're so pussy about this kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

I've written most of Europe off, but I think uh the UK could be potentially okay.

SPEAKER_05 24:55

I think Ireland might be okay, and maybe Scotland. I don't think England's gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

I don't know, dude. There were protests all over the UK.

SPEAKER_05 25:04

Yeah, well, from the Irish want the English out of Ireland, so I saw that.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Well, and yeah, the Irish have kicked back up the ICA, the Irish Citizen Army, which was the predecessor to the IRA.

SPEAKER_05 25:19

Well, it was a little different than the IRA, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

Yeah, yeah. It's different, more political. And they have, you know, Belfast is burning right now. They're going to the fucking door uh in these migrant homes, telling anyone in the house to get the fuck out and torching them. Which is holding it back for the Irish because during the troubles, they wouldn't have bothered to tell them to get out.

SPEAKER_05 25:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's you know, it makes sense. I I think that the part that for me is the the most insulting as a human, as a somebody that values Western civilization, is the level of entitlement that all these foreigners have. Yeah, it's not just somebody that was, you know, sitting in a North Korean concentration camp and swam across the uh sea to Japan and then managed to get to the West and kissing the ground and now is living in the West, right? That's not who these people are. These are people that are economic migrants that bring over their entire ideologies, plus their families with their five wives and 27 kids. And that's that is not the same thing. This is not somebody who wanted to escape to the West. This is somebody that wanted to avoid the you know, poverty or not even not necessarily poverty, but just the financial hardships of living in a Muslim country, and so it's easier for them to move to a Western country and then set up shop and bring all their own little cultural customs and everything with them, like cutting a guy's you know, head off. Stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Well, I think the Irish are finally done with it and going off. And that's the thing, you know. I hope so, man. Have you seen the memes about when white people quote unquote chimp out?

SPEAKER_05 27:40

I don't I probably have, but what what are you referring to exactly?

SPEAKER_01 27:45

Just imagery of the crusades, imagery of World War II, stuff like that. Like, hey, Western civilization has is capable of the most destructive force on Earth and has been, always has been.

SPEAKER_05 28:01

Well, that's not really true. The Mongol hordes still are the most destructive force that's ever existed. The amount of not only death they brought, but the amount of genetic DNA mixing that they brought has never been accomplished by anybody in the West.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

But Yeah, until they hit the Roman Empire.

SPEAKER_05 28:23

No, no. No. The There's something like 16% of all people on Earth have DNA from Genghis Khan. It's a crazy high number. Sure. Because they they didn't just enslave the women. Well, they killed all the men, obviously. But they didn't just enslave women, they bred all the women. And not like you're gonna be my wife. No, you're gonna crank out more slaves for me. So it's an interesting thing. The the speed with which the the horde fell apart, too, is something else that is I haven't seen enough good explanations on because it certainly seems like they went from nobody could stop them to all of a sudden just kind of blending in with the locals. And I find that hard to believe. I think there's probably more to it than that. But yeah, also, so let's talk about the phrase chimping out, right? Because there was somebody, there's a video I saw of a black guy sitting in a restaurant. There's a table with like five or six white guys sitting that are at a totally separate table, different group of people sitting there. And this black dude hears one of the white

What “Chimping Out” Really Means

SPEAKER_05 29:51

guys say chimping out. And of course, he couldn't just ignore it, he had to interject himself into their conversation. What the hell you mean, chimping out, you know, that whole thing. Yeah, and so if essentially he wanted to do a demonstration, a live demo of what that means. Yeah. So uh, and of course, you know, gets the restaurant to kick out the white people, and the the white dude that said it almost immediately apologized to him. It's like, oh dude, I didn't mean anything, but I'm talking, we're literally talking about this guy we know who's not black who was chimping out, but apparently you can't say chimping out anymore because black people think that phrase means acting like a black person or a monkey.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Well, that's the insinuation at this point in time.

SPEAKER_05 30:50

Well, they're going a long way to ensure that it is. Because chimping out, I never thought chimping out was exclusive to black people. Because I've, you know, I've been to the zoo, I have seen the way that chimpanzees act in zoos. It has nothing to do with black people, it has to do with somebody, regardless of their race, who is acting like one of those chimps. That would be chimping out. You know, it's like you hear the the words, oh, that guy's a total stud. Well, okay, it stud doesn't mean you think of him as a bovine, right? Or a or a horse. You're like, he's acting macho, he's acting like he owns all the women in this area, right? It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with this is an animal that he is acting like. So for somebody to reinterpret that as somehow being racially tied means that to that black dude, he sees himself as a chimp. Because he's offended that somebody would be calling somebody else a chimp. Because, you know, to him it's not just about behavior, it's apparently it's it's a whole image-based thing.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

However, it came about, the point is the point I was making is to me, it's when someone gets angry irrationally and gets to the point of irrational anger. Yeah, I mean, that's that's why I started this conversation with have you seen the memes about what happens when white people do this, right?

SPEAKER_05 32:40

Yeah, yeah. I would not call any of that chimping out. I mean, I I think that that's that's called, you know, retaliation usually. Or or if it's not uh in response to something at least, then it's just maybe irrationally excessive anger action, but it it I don't know. Maybe maybe everybody else thinks the word the the phrase jumping out is different than what I think it is. To me, I've heard it for many years, and I always just think of the way that the monkeys act in the zoo.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

Oh so I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

I think we're uh I I've been calling this for a while. I think we're gonna see, you know, the pushback against the migrants in the UK come to a crucible level, and I think this latest incident might have been it, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_05 33:44

Well, it's long overdue. Yeah, but it can't just be against the migrants

Europe, Migration, And Government Failure

SPEAKER_05 33:52

because there's a whole class of people that are targeting politicians. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And by the way, did you see France, Paris?

SPEAKER_01 34:03

No.

SPEAKER_05 34:04

Burning. Paris is burning.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Yeah, but that was off of a football thing.

SPEAKER_05 34:09

Yeah, it was off of a football thing. But if you look at the cameras, the crowds are all fairly dark. So you're telling me they all became super fans and football hooligans. Or I don't know, they just think that'd be cool if they could burn the t the Eiffel Tower down to nothing. I'm telling you, that France, I think, in a lot of ways is worse off than the UK because they have there there's a lot more cultural baggage to France being in Africa than the UK. Okay. And they are, you know, all of North Africa, pretty much across the board, and quite a bit of deeper Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, speaks French.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

Mm-hmm. And has French citizenship.

SPEAKER_05 35:03

And exactly. And that's the problem. It's like the French used to have this attitude of like, we are the bringers of light to the dark world. You know, we we are the people that brought the enlightenment to the Europe, and and we're the ones that are bringing it to the rest of the world. That hasn't been the case for a long time, if ever. But what they do have now is a bunch of countries, mostly that are Islamic, that have a foray into France and do not exhibit an enlightened attitude one bit. Not to mention the fact that you know France was on the the border of the old conquests of Islam. So I think they're I think the English, or I guess the way I would put it is the governments of both countries are fucking morons, but the British are a little more isolated geographically and could reverse the trend. I don't think France can. I think they're fucked. Spain is absolutely fucked. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

France is also pretty damn fucked. Spain, Portugal, yeah, Greece, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_05 36:23

Um it's not just from the river to the sea, it's now from the Mediterranean to the Atlantic, is the chant.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

No, to the at least the English channel.

SPEAKER_05 36:33

Well, yeah, yeah. But I, you know, my point is that this is containment has never worked, it will never work. What you need is to have a total subjugation or eradication. And I'm not talking about people, I'm talking about culture. Like you cannot have the same people that are cutting off heads and chanting death to America be living in France or in Spain or any of the Mediterranean countries, or even further north, obviously. I mean, I think honestly, Sweden is the first the first stupidity that I recall back from the 90s when they started allowing Muslims coming in as refugees. Fucking Sweden? Are you kidding me? You know, you you it's just insanity. You you've got these beautiful blue-eyed, blonde little girls there, and you're you're letting in 20-something year old dudes with no sense of restraint and a very different view of what it means to deal with a woman, which is basically the same way they deal with shape sheep or goats. So, I mean, that's just insanity. European countries were so damn hell bent on self-destruction it makes it difficult to sympathize with their current pain.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

I mean, okay. I I I I I think it was the globalists and the politicians that that put them in that position. I don't think it was the the people.

SPEAKER_05 38:29

But they're not a separate, they're not a separate people. These are politicians from the same country.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

Sure.

SPEAKER_05 38:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But even beyond that phrase, it's it's sort of like you know, say what you will about dictators out there, but at least you know what you're getting. Because when you put one of these liberal politicians in place, you don't know what you're getting, and you're probably gonna get something worse than you would have otherwise.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

I can't argue with that based off of current results.

SPEAKER_06 39:04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:06

It's it's like it's it's kind of tied to that same idea that you know I I am better equipped to deal with the ultra socialist liberal who calls himself that. Like back in the day, there was a a guy from Minnesota who ended up dying. What the hell is his name? Well, can't remember his name, but he was he was a senator from Minnesota, he was the most liberal voting senator in the Senate. Okay, Wellstone.

SPEAKER_01 39:49

I don't know who that is, but okay.

SPEAKER_05 39:50

Yeah, it well, you can look at my it was in the 90s.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

And forgive me, so he had this knowing Minnesota politics from the 90s.

SPEAKER_05 39:58

How dare you! Super liberal, Paul Wellstone, I think, some maybe not, but it was Wellstone for sure. Anyway, my point is that somebody like that is predictable, so you can strategize around expectations knowing where they're gonna go, and you can take advantage of like there are issues where you can find common ground with somebody who's that ultra-liberal because they're going to dislike certain things as an ultra-liberal that just sort of middle-of-the-road liberals could go either way on. So, again, it's predictability and being able to take advantage of it. Whereas with rhinos and these sort of centrist liberals, you just don't know. You don't know, you you think they're you gonna go one way and then they go the exact opposite way. You think you got the votes, and then turns out last minute you don't have the votes because half these people are flipping, and that's true of because you know, lots of mail-in ballots at the last minute, but we'll get there. Yeah, but you know, those ballots don't vote in the house and senate. But the people well, the people that go to the house and senate. My point is it is more predictable and easier, I think, to navigate waters when everyone is an extremist. It's more difficult when they're on all a bunch of centrists because centrists tend to do things based on their own, like they're looking out for number one, right? They're not they they don't have that sort of party above everything else mitality that the the radicals have. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

It's maybe I'm not describing it well enough, but I I just think it's easier when you're yeah when our you know we can't we can't we're at we're at a place where we can't vote our way out of this, in my opinion. We've tried, right? We need to figure a way out. I sent you a video of Michael Malice interviewing this author, and to me, this guy's a midwit with a failed premise. You kind of defended him in our group chat. Yeah, I disagree with that view. With what view?

SPEAKER_05 42:22

That he's a midwit, he's not a midwit at all.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

Oh, I think he is. He's a midwit with a decent vocabulary

When Is Political Violence Justified

SPEAKER_01 42:30

and likes to think anyway.

SPEAKER_05 42:32

But I think you're ascribing things to him that aren't there, dude. Okay, well, I watched the video.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

Maybe let's rewatch it, but yeah. No, I I watched it. His entire premise was that as long as we have a legal means to correct the situation, i.e., vote harder, go to court, do these things, that political violence is unacceptable.

SPEAKER_05 43:03

Political violence is unacceptable in a society.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 43:10

And you support what the Irish are doing? And here's the yeah, so here's the distinction. And I think he talked about this because there's a few things that that you mentioned that I was like, dude, he covered this. He covered them back trends and went back on it over and over. This is the the same the same idea you and I have actually talked about, I think a few months back about the founding fathers, is that the success, the future success, the continuation of the United States of America through the principles that it was founded on is wholly dependent on the voting members of that uh country, of that civilization being educated. And capable of understanding the ideas of the founders. What you can't do, and this goes to the phrase of, you know, you can vote your way into socialism, but you can't vote your way back to you. You have to shoot your way out. Yeah, you have to shoot your way out. Exactly. Goes to the same idea. So maybe it wasn't apparent or clear enough in that discussion, but the parameters that were set is in a society that creates rules for that society based on mutual agreement, cannot at the same time accept and allow people to remain in the society that at their own discretion can disregard those rules.

SPEAKER_01 44:47

The problem I have is that A, we are already at where we have allowed for political violence, i.e. C. Black Lives Matter and a lot of the other protests. B we've seen that in the UK and in Ireland where immigrants are just allowed to do whatever, and others are we do not have equal tier justice here or there. The other problem I have is he was moralizing it. It wasn't a legal question for him, although he had that as his backstop. It was a moral question for him. And this is where I agree with Malice more. What I would say is I have the I have the ultimate responsibility and right to defend myself and my rights. And I do not have a moral responsibility to wait on a corrupt legal system to solve it for me. Now, I may not be successful at that. It may cost me dearly, but that is my human right to make that decision.

SPEAKER_05 45:44

But again, here I think you have to this is where I I'm on the other side of the argument for Malice here, because Malice, to his credit, is an anarchist. He's not a libertarian, he's not a conservative. I'm not quite liberal, but I'm pretty close. But he is an anarchist, and and the distinction between anarchists and non-anarchists, and it's which I wrote in text messages to you, is that an anarchist does not believe in giving any responsibility for their well-being to a third party. So I'm fine with that. In an anarchist, every argument is solved violently. And you can say, well, that's not true. They can talk to each other.

SPEAKER_00 46:29

No, no, no. That's the reality of life. That is the idea of the threat of violence.

SPEAKER_05 46:36

Ultimately, yes, and the one with the bigger ability to cause violence will win every argument in there in an anarchy. What comes out of anarchies is despotism every time. What we have in a more civilized form of government is a group of people who share common ideals, common beliefs in what is right and what is wrong. They can be grounded in the in the same God or maybe different gods or no god at all, but they're nonetheless shared ideas on that. Well, then we don't have a society exactly. That's the distinction of the thought. Let me finish the thought. So what we have is either a society of people who are at least on the most important factors, like-minded, and then those people will delegate to the society, to the leadership, to functions like putting somebody in prison, catching bad guys, having a court system, etc. They will delegate those functions to not have to be solved on the one-to-one individual level, which in anarchy they will always come down to my relationship with you. It's always a one-on-one kind of situation. There's nobody to delegate to. You can hire a bigger, badder badass to go fight on your behalf, but that's not delegation. That's just spending money that's no different than buying a bigger gun or a longer sword. But in a society, you have this mutual agreement where people say for our mutual benefit, this is what we're willing to do. Now, once we get to that point, tell me if what I'm hearing is correct. Then what you're saying is we used to have that, we no longer have that. We've gotten to a point where that society is physically living amongst a bunch of anarchists. Yes. Because there's no other way I can describe the people that don't adhere to societal laws.

SPEAKER_01 48:57

And the look at the cases we have with Caramarlo Anthony in the US and this in Belfast, and I think you're seeing two sides of that same coin. Well, I don't know, man. I mean, it's one to me is morally justified, the other is not, but that's neither here nor there. And it has nothing to do with race. It has to do with one person is a murderer and then is being through anarcho anarchical tyranny means being supported and defended. The other is I don't know what this guy did to provoke the beheading, if anything, but to see essentially a ritual killing in the world.

SPEAKER_05 49:42

There's nothing that anyone could do to provoke a beheading. There's literally nothing that could justify that.

SPEAKER_01 49:49

I mean, you know, literally drags him out in the street and is starting to do this. Maybe the guy caught him sleeping with his wife, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 49:55

Don't know. That's not enough reason.

SPEAKER_01 49:57

Yeah. I don't know, dude. You know. No, the the wife would be the one getting her head cut off in that scenario. Okay. Well, regardless, my point is seeing this act of violence and this act of evil, it is a moral response to say, okay, enough of this. We have taken too much.

SPEAKER_05 50:20

Well, enough, and that's I think that's a fair thought. However, that should not translate into the moral. That should not translate into I'm going to cast off this moral and just society and become an anarchist and deal with things myself. Um, what was that? What was that movie that Mel Gibson was in? He was in a lot of good movies, but the one, the American, the Patriot, the Patriot, right? Where basically the British just, you know, fuck his whole family up. And then he he's like, he's had enough. He's just gonna deal with them in whatever means is necessary. So that can all happen within a civilized society. You just have to agree to other but the others.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

They don't. They don't.

SPEAKER_05 51:15

And that's that's a separate issue.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

So what gives me hope that we won't come to violence of any major degree here in the US is that you have quite a few black people posting on Twitter saying, Why are you acting like this? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_06 51:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:39

And I I get it, but again, I think why not have a response that basically says mandatory death penalty from a societal standpoint instead of saying, gee, we should all become vigilantes.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

So here's the thing. If reform and restore get a coalition government, which I think they're very likely to do, I think you will see that, and I think you'll see a calming. But right now, there is no political remedy for this in Ireland. There's no satisfactory political.

SPEAKER_05 52:17

Well, okay. So rationally speaking, assuming that's the case, then it shouldn't be Belfast burning. It should be an extermination of Irish politicians.

SPEAKER_01 52:35

Belfast, I think. This j this just happened, and give it a minute.

SPEAKER_05 52:42

Well, uh no, you but again, what I'm uh what I'm trying to argue for is not hot-headed in the moment, purely irrational, but emotionally driven action.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

Can you agree that eventually you get to the place where the hot-headed response is the right response?

SPEAKER_05 53:03

I I I think that there is such a place. I'm not gonna say there isn't such a place. I think the people of Iran were pretty close to it, but didn't get over the finish line, unfortunately. But what it takes to have that response isn't just we'll get to Iran. Yeah, isn't just seeing things that you disagree with or don't like. It's the point at which you're willing, like Mel Gibson was, to trade your life for your belief. Now, I don't think the Irish are there as a country. I don't think anybody in Europe is. I sure as hell don't think any Americans are there right now. Uh maybe, maybe a handful of little tiny.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

You don't really believe in something if you're not willing to trade your life for it.

SPEAKER_05 54:02

That that sounds beautiful, and I would I would nod my head at it. It's philosophically correct. Speaking, most people are afraid to just even lose their jobs, far less their lives. You can force people to do unthinkable, harmful, harmful things merely by threatening their jobs. This is what we saw with COVID. Most people are weak. Not just most people, like the overwhelmingly huge percentage of the population.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

But as soon as you get 3% of the population that's willing to say, yeah, no, you're not crossing this line.

SPEAKER_06 54:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

You know, like me during COVID. I faced a CEO who said, I don't want to, but I think I have the authority to mandate this vaccine on you. And I went to my CISO and told them and the CEO and told Kurt Morgan at the time, you have until I find another job to reverse this policy, or I'm gone. I found another job and I moved on.

SPEAKER_05 55:07

Right.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

Because I wasn't gonna do that.

SPEAKER_05 55:09

So you're kind of making my point for me because you you said when we were chatting on through text, which I hate doing, I hate typing that shit. But you said, well, there's there's three there are three boxes.

SPEAKER_01 55:23

Boxes. Right, go ahead. Three boxes. So to stay free and independent, you have three roads of recourse that should be affected in order. You have the ballot box, you have the jury box, and ultimately, last but not least, you have the cartridge box.

SPEAKER_04 55:42

Mm-hmm.

Ballot Box, Jury Box, Cartridge Box

SPEAKER_01 55:44

So in my case, during COVID, I voted with my feet and I left the company. Right.

SPEAKER_05 55:50

And that's the fourth box that I put in there. Because I I think again, that sounds beautiful, but beyond voting, what was the second one?

SPEAKER_01 56:02

Jury. Jury nullification.

SPEAKER_05 56:04

Jury nullification, right. Beyond those two, before you get to shooting people, there's another box, and that's a ticket box, and that is you will remove yourself from that situation without violence, if possible. And this is something that both of our families have done. Well, but this is also something that's yours from Texas to Idaho.

SPEAKER_01 56:31

You have to remember, you have to remember that that statement was basically around staying out of communism, right? Because that that phrase, you know, the cartridge, the ballot box, the jury box, and the or the soap box, rather, was the original one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:51

But the soap box, so the ballot box, the soap box, you know, standing up, spouting your beliefs, and the cartridge box. That's from the 1950s. Um it's changed over the years and modified and so on, but and the meaning, and we're not applying it one for one for how it was meant. So, but I agree with you. If you're in a situation which you can remove yourself from, you should safely, you should. Yeah. However, we have stand our ground laws for a fucking reason. And to me, and to me, standing your ground, it should in in Texas, we are there have been several proposed bills of you know, right to resist arrest under certain circumstances.

SPEAKER_05 57:38

Yeah, but again, I think the my point here is that while it's fun watching Western movies with guys like Clint Eastwood being a vigilante for half the movie, and then he gets the star pinned in them for the second half of the movie, right? This is the typical formula. Is a guy who's just a farmer gets pushed by the Mexicans, the Indians, the whoever the bad guys of

Vigilantes Versus Organized Resistance

SPEAKER_05 58:03

the week were, and then has to fight back, and eventually, before the end of the movie, he ends up having support of the entire town who makes him the sheriff. So that's a very typical thing. The problem with that is you don't know which vigilante is actually the good guy because you can have plenty of people acting like vigilantes, and in their eyes, everybody's their own good guy. But from an external moral framework, only a few of them are.

SPEAKER_01 58:40

But here's the thing: you don't ever see just individual vigilanteism, like that's really not a thing historically, or what we're seeing now. Like what we're seeing in Ireland right now is a uh I don't know, man. Tell that to Guy Fox. Oh, I I I okay. So you have one-offs, and he was not successful.

SPEAKER_05 59:05

No, um, but what you see with it's amazing to me that the British celebrate his failure. Because to me, it seems like you guys would have been better off had he succeeded.

SPEAKER_01 59:16

Yeah, remember, remember the 5th of November, the gunpowder, treason, and plot. But what we're seeing in Ireland right now with the ICA is an organized group that's holding themselves and their members accountable and creating an action plan and executing on it. So to me, it's not vigilanteism that's so much resistance.

SPEAKER_05 59:40

You don't see what's been put out. You're yes, yes, exactly. That's the PR that's been put out. You don't know what's going on. You don't know if it's 25 guys or 25,000 guys. It's probably less than 25,000. But either way, you know, like any group that I've gotten involved in, like the libertarians or the NRA or anything else, what you quickly realize, or the professional organizations at the same time, right? So the um what you quickly realize is that they're all individual people that are driven by personal self-interest, and their self-interest is at various stages and various points, generally circling around the thing that they've come together on, but it's a very loosely based group. People can leave or even start fighting you at a moment's notice if they perceive that you're actually doing something that they dislike. And I think this is the problem with any shadowy group, right? Like these guys. Anybody that's like, we are the bloody blood. Well, okay, well, do you have a picture and BIOS for all of you? Or you're no, you don't? You're in hiding. Okay, well, I can't trust it then.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

I mean, that's how cell structures work and have been successful.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:09

Cell structures are successful in spite of the individuals, because the individuals in those cell structures are disposable. This is what the CIA knows how to do very well. Well, you create cell structures because you don't care about the cell structures. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:26

So well, the the entire point is you can't compromise what you don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:32

Yeah, absolutely. And you have to assume that people will compromise. Because that's human nature. That and then the big lie is that torture doesn't work because it totally works.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

Well, it works against the weak. So it works, for instance, for me within within the knowledge base of the person. So, for instance, for me, I would like to at least think I would never break under torture for a couple of reasons. One, I'm a stubborn bastard who doesn't like to see other people win, and I'm not gonna give you the win you want. But two, I know that at the end of this, my life is forfeit either way, and I am saved. I do not fear that. So you would be very easy to torture, Ben.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:26

You would flip very quickly. How so? Because you're empathic to other people, you don't not care about other people the way I don't care about other people. It you wouldn't be tortured at all. You would be sitting there with a lobster in front of you, and people you care about would be the ones getting to getting not tortured because we don't need any info from them. It's still your torture, but your torture consists of watching people you care about going through horrific acts. And you are the only one that has the power to stop it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:02

But in this scenario where my family is captured and people are threatening my daughter in front of me and to do despicable things to her and so on, I have no real control because as soon as I give them what they want, what the fuck use do they have for the rest of us?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:19

Yeah, that's true. But you're gonna buy another you're gonna buy an hour of her life with whatever knowledge you have. Not worth it. I don't believe you. I I know you too well, dude. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:31

I you you were nice to be okay. Here's a scenario where I can absolutely tell you you could never torture me or anyone I love to say this, and that is to denounce Christ.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:46

Okay, well, good. I believe that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:48

So that's that's probably no scenario where you if they were raping my four-year-old daughter in front of me. Don't even say that shit, man. I but I'm just saying I would not do that, I could not do that, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:05

Yeah, and that I believe that, but unless unless they're trying to get you to convert to Islam, I don't think that's a likely scenario.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:16

Anyway, I I I don't know, man. I think I I would be empathetic, I would feel it, it would hurt, but I I think you're underestimating how fucking stubborn I am.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:29

I that's the problem, is that in torture you always want to use what the person's strength is as the main implement of that torture. So being stubborn doesn't mean that you're good at surviving torture. Being stubborn is the lever that will be pulled. It's if somebody has a very high tolerance for pain, there's no point in giving them pain. It doesn't make any sense. What makes sense is to do the things that they have a low tolerance for. So torture isn't just physical pain.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:13

Anyway, back to the main topic.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:15

We were on a fun topic, man. Enough talking about torture.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:20

Of course you do. I I think the Irish are justified in acting out right now. I'm sure there are going to be innocent migrants caught up in some of this and things like that. But and that's that's the thing is do you draw any distinction here? No. Do you say can you? Right? How can you?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:46

But it's gonna slow the process down to an insane pace. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:50

So I I think you can't. I I think if if reform and restore get a I first of all, I think reform. Reform and restore will end up as the majority. I think they will form a coalition government, quite frankly, with the way things are going. And what will happen is you're going to see anyone who commits an act of violence at all or pushes for Sharia or certain cultural standards, you're gone. And the rest we will deal with slowly over time. Yeah. Like I really think that's the sentiment in the UK right now. I hope you're right. I do. I I mean, I talked to people about it while I was there, you know, and I can say for this Scotland's done. Scotland's pissed. You know, you've got a small country that has, and here's the thing, and this is the differentiation a lot of people don't understand. America is fucking big. Like Americans don't get how big America is. Scotland is a country of six million people that have taken in almost a million refugees. Like it's in it's the numbers

Assimilation And Earning Citizenship

SPEAKER_01 1:07:06

are insane. It may not be quite a million, but the point is, it is such a bigger percentage of their population that has been involved in this than what is ours. So we don't as much as we think we feel it here, we don't feel it the way they do, do.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:23

Yeah. Yeah. No, I I I get it. But also at the same time, there's a realism to the following statement that unfortunately you can't get it wrong. The reason America is as great as it is, or has been, is because the best of the best of the world have sacrificed to get here. Which means they left those other places. There are not Englishmen in England today that have the character of the English from the 1600s. It's just not them. They're acting more like peasants right now than even a hundred years ago. There was a there was a lot more that went along with saying that you're English, which no longer exists. And the the reason I say this, and I'm I certainly don't have the full picture, I don't live there, and I don't well, I do talk to British people at least a couple times a week. But I wouldn't say that they're prototypical of all British people. But what I do what I do see that in very, very plainly is watching Clarkson's farm. Yes. I see peasants, man. I see people that act like they're powerless. I see people that have a certain hole in life that they fill and don't imagine themselves ever being in any other hole.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:18

So what I would say is, and I want to make it clear, I'm not anti-immigrant. I'm very pro-brain drain the rest of the fucking world, but come here and assimilate. Right. Come here and assimilate. Like I I know some people who are in the UK that are not British by heritage, but are culturally very British and who are v extremely intelligent and good people. Yeah. Yeah. Those are the people you want and you want to keep.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:00

A country is exactly like a company.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:03

The low IQ peasants that have come in that have no interest in assimilation, do not see the value of your culture, are an invading army and threat.

unknown 1:10:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:19

And it's not a distinction on race.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:24

Yeah. If you think of a country being like a company, you can apply the same factors to it. So when a company brings in a new employee that'll make the company bigger, they interview them to make sure that they bring something of value, A, and that they fit the culture, B. You're not going to hire somebody if one of those two is a mismatch. If they don't really bring anything, why would you hire them?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:51

Even if they're sometimes people slip through. And the problem is A, we're not doing that same vetting process to the level that we should. But beyond that, we've got a really shitty HR department that won't allow us to fire people.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:06

Exactly. And that's the thing. And this goes to something you and I have talked about previously, which is that there should be a distinction between an American person and an American citizen.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:19

Well, and the Trump Justice Department is doing that. They are stripping citizenship, naturalized citizenship from people as we speak.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:27

I don't mean naturalized. I mean not everybody, including people born here. What qualification is it just to be born here? That's not qualification.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:35

Well, but the problem is original statuses where we're going to send you.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:40

Yeah. So this is like in Starship Troopers, we ought to have citizens, and we ought to have just, you know, people that live here.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:51

And there's different sets of expectations. Yeah, civilians, different expectations. And before everybody goes off, we're not talking about the movie, we're talking about the book. Because Heinlein Starship Troopers is a fantastic book. The movie it's entertaining, but it doesn't focus on the politics the way the book does. And the distinction's really fun, though. It is fun. Yes. And it's ripe for a reboot. But anyway. The distinction in Starship Troopers is you have to earn the right to get a vote. You have to, and service guaranteed citizenship is the slogan. And what that means is if you serve in the armed forces, if you go fight for this country, do these things, you become a citizen guaranteed. However, in the book, it goes into much more detail where there are other paths to citizenship. If you're a contributing businessman who has done well and so on, you can be adjudicated by a group of peer citizens to say, yes, this person ought to have citizenship and be given the right to vote.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:04

Service isn't the only pathway to citizenship, is what I want to make clear in the book.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:09

Well, not military service, but it's still service in one way or another.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:13

It is service to your community, is building something for your community.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:16

Yes. Yeah. So I'm I'm much more in favor of that. It's more egalitarian. It's disregarding factors that you have no control over and focusing on factors you do have control over.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:27

And by the way, in the bat in the book, you're not a second-class citizen per se. You just don't have the right to vote. Exactly. Exactly. And you have all the all laws apply the same. Citizens aren't treated differently.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:41

Like Rico's parents, his dad is very happy to not have to be involved in that process.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:46

Correct. And does not want, but in the book, unlike the the movie, Rico's dad ends up enlisting after Rico and ends up actually under him in his platoon.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:00

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:02

So, yeah, like his dad after you know Buenos Aires was destroyed and mom died and all that, dad wasn't there. He he sees what his son saw and goes out for vengeance.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:15

Well, I don't know if he saw the same thing his son did, because it took something vastly different to get him to sign up.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:21

But yeah. Rico was going after pussy, but that's a whole nother thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:29

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:31

I think that They both went for they both went for women, just for different stages, okay?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:36

Different stages, yeah, yeah, exactly. The point that I think we're both making here is that there is a in a society which separates those functions from merely being born in the particular place, it's a society that has much less risk of losing itself to communism, socialism, any ism out there, any other political system from which you have to fight your way back with a gun.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:10

As long as uh as long as the the stakes are high enough. Like what is the bar to gain that ability?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:21

Yeah. But and that nicely ties it to the beginning of the conversation, which is I think we are where we are in the US with people willing to act like anarchists when they chimp out, shall we use that word? If you want. You know, the reason that we are here, in my view, is partially because we just take anyone, both people that show up at some point and become citizens, and people that are born here but work their entire lives to disrupt and kill the American experiment, we'll give them all equan equal footing all the time. And while there is genuine, I think, voter fraud going on in California to where people that didn't vote end up showing up on voting records, but there's a different kind of voting they've legalized voter fraud in California. They basically have, but for them to legalize it, the people that got it to this point, the people that are okay with it being fraud, is

California Mail-In Voting And Process Abuse

SPEAKER_05 1:16:34

who I'm talking about. These are people that are Americans in name only. They've they were born here and that makes them American, but they're they've been working for many, many years, maybe their entire lives, against America. And that's the problem that we have in a society, which purely looks at birth as a requirement.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:59

So I think that's um and that's kind of where I was eventually going, even though we got sidetracked, is yeah, when you look at what's going on in California, the ballot box is no longer an effective measure. No, like the the the voter rules in California are you can have any mark as a signature, and as long as it's 40% the same, it's considered valid. So if you got a bunch of people putting an X down and someone says they witnessed it, that's good enough. And you know, you you can do anything you want with that. You have people paying people to vote. The the remote voting rules and the electioneering rules have not kept up with each other. And by the way, a I didn't know this until recently. Did you know a a mail-in vote doesn't even have to have a postmark? Where in California? In California, as long as the voter says writes the date on the ballot on when they say they voted, okay, then it's considered a valid vote as long as that was before election day.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:06

Hmm. That makes no sense. I think if you're gonna it's fucking evil. If you're gonna allow absentee ballots at all, which you should like the best argument for that is people in the military. They're serving overseas or whatever. Okay, so you have a military ballot. Okay, what about people that work for companies which work overseas? You might be on a business. You're not here and you can't vote.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:29

You're not here, you're not on election day. Okay. Sorry, too bad.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:34

All right, all right. I don't know. I I don't mind that type of those votes being cast beforehand, but they can't be cast afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:47

But California has a system where you cannot prove fraud because it's legal. And what happened with Spencer Pratt, like the this lady that was in third place, yeah. She'll whack job. She uh she beat out the number one can't like it. None of this math makes sense. It's it's obvious. And this is this is this is cheating through process, this is cheating through ballot harvesting. And what I love is at least we are getting to see the Republicans play some of the same games. There's a lawsuit in front of the Supreme Court that's going to drop here in June that may invalidate early voting, may invalidate voting by mail, may do a lot, depending on how narrowly or broadly the Supreme Court rules. I can see the Supreme Court saying voting day means voting day. If your ballot is really if you're doing a mail-in ballot and it is not provably in by the day of the election, yeah, too bad.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:53

Yep. I'm okay with that. Me too.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:02

So a couple things. Yeah. Since last show. I think it was partly due to my YouTube algorithm, but I started running across a whole bunch of videos on the PS90 basically being a better P90 now.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:22

Oh yeah, yeah. With the new progressive triggers that they have. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:26

The progressive trigger, the new body for it that's more ergonomic and

PS90 Upgrades And Trigger Innovation

SPEAKER_05 1:20:31

better able to have accessories put on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:34

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:36

You know, it like all that stuff ending up, and then there are just way more FSR type things for three set of triggers. Like you saw the new Hoffman one, which is just the one tiny little piece of metal that fits inside of a normal store. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:55

Yep. Which for those who don't know a progressive trigger is if I pull the trigger halfway, it fires one round. When I pull it all the way, you're in full FRT mode.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:05

It's it's the thing that those of us that play video games have on our joysticks. The high-end joysticks have progressive triggers. So it it's a really cool to see that stuff. Really cool to see the innovation and creativity to get around the absolutely asinine remnants of the NFA. And I think that this should at some point, hopefully sooner than later, flip the what is what is the majority of the people doing. What what's that phrase? Acceptable in common use or something like that?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:46

In common use.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:57

Like there's no it's difference without a distinction.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:00

It is only distinction, that's why we're getting away with it. But yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:06

No, it's a difference. But the distinction it maybe it's a distinction without a difference. The point is it achieves the thing that most people that want a fully automatic weapon, it achieves it without calling it a fully automatic weapon.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:19

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:20

So yeah, it's it's just burning through money really fast.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:24

Yep. So yeah, no, the the new PS90 is very cool. Um uh the the way you can change it now with the you know, SBR being a zero dollar talk tax stamp is incredibly tempting. The price of both especially since my 40th birthday is coming up here in eight days.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:43

Oh, is that how that goes? Okay, okay. So I'm sure you'll get one by then.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:47

No, no, I won't. It's there the the the even the PS90 is just still too expensive, man. I I can't justify it for what that gun is.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:57

I mean, the ammo cost is gonna be more than the cost of a gun within a year, guarantee you that. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:03

That's like when I took it out with the FRT.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:07

Yeah, that's what I mean. It's a with the FRT.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:10

If you'd normally go and you would go through a hundred rounds, but oh, you're gonna go through a thousand, you're gonna go through a thousand every time you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:17

And five seven is not exactly cheap. No, I think there were still what 30 cents around somewhere in that range. Oh no, they're more than that. More than that, even wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:26

But regardless, it's a very cool gun. I was a Stargate fan. I've always wanted one, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:33

Like, oh even what's his face? Pinhead. Yeah, even he was making references to Stargate.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:40

Oh, yeah. That's great. He's been putting out some good stuff lately, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't dislike the guy. I just, you know, back in the day when he was all clean shaven and everything, his his body did not match his head. It's just one of these like six foot two, very physical, well-developed body out of the military with the head of like a 12-year-old geek.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:06

Oh man. Um so Iran, have you been paying attention?

SPEAKER_05 1:24:10

Yeah. Which which aspect of Iran?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:13

Like well, they shot down one of our helicopters.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:17

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:18

And we rescued, we did the first drone rescue in military history, where one of our unmanned surface combatants went and picked him up, and we bombed, started

Iran Strikes, Peace Deals, And Regime Change

SPEAKER_01 1:24:31

bombing the hell out of them. Yeah. And now, according to Trump, we have a peace deal to be signed in the comedy.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:42

Honestly, I'm kind of getting tired of hearing the word peace. Why? Because we don't need a peace deal, we need a government to overthrow.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:50

So I think we essentially have because we fucking killed all the leadership. Like the the places they just bombed, I mean, they took out a huge portion of the IRGC.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:03

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:05

Like, that is a thing. It has been done. I I don't know, man. I think you're gonna see a very different government come out of there. Trump says we're taking Karg Island.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:17

So yeah, I think we should get a 99-year lease on Karg Island. Just make it official.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:23

I I think we're gonna end up with an Iranian regime a la Venezuela.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:28

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:29

Yeah. Like I think that's it, if not the explicit goal, the implicit goal.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:35

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, I'm all for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:39

Which, by the way, the deal supposedly includes that they will sign the Abraham Accords and they will turn over the uranium.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:47

I I know that that's a huge thing for Trump because he wants that as his legacy.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:54

Makes sense. But yeah, I uh I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:05

I I just I don't care about peace. I just need we need to get rid of IRGC out of there.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:12

Well, but here's the thing. I think we I think we're on the verge of that, or at least a very neutered IRGRC. And one of the things that I like about the way this has been conducted is realistically, other than California and the West Coast that have neutered their own oil production, gas prices haven't really been that impacted. They certainly aren't any worse than they were under Biden.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:39

And so we've avoided a lot of the domestic pain. We have lost almost no service members in this. And yeah, we've spent a bunch of money on arms, but Yeah, it's good for the economy. We had already purchased those, right? That's sunk cost, right? This is not new spending. This is this money had already been spent. Now we're gonna want to replenish those, and again, yes, it's good for the GDP. But I think the the overthrow of Lloyd's of London, the breaking of the British system in the Middle East. That's that's those are huge fucking geopolitical things.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:24

They are they're it's still a little hard to really kind of talk about that because they're we haven't seen the consequences of them yet. But it does appear that if if all this is permanent, then this'll be a much bigger legacy legacy for Trump than simply the uh getting these Arab countries into the Abraham uh Abraham Accords, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:53

Well, it'll be it'll be it will be the American Empire.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:06

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:10

Good stuff, man. Good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:14

Okay. You done?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:16

I mean, I'm kind of done. I'm I'm getting to that point. Uh how long we've been talking? About 90 minutes. Well, uh, what have we not talked about? Because I think I let me skim through the stuff I sent you. I think there's another topic or two there.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:30

Well, on a personal note, my uh cat passed away this week. Yeah, that sucks, dude. Yeah, you it's okay. You know, I I I'll admit I cried about it a little bit and the kids did too. But yesterday, my my dad made a box for her and brought brought it. They brought it and I dug a hole in the backyard, and I was worried about the kids being

Losing A Pet And Teaching Kids Grief

SPEAKER_01 1:28:54

upset and so on. But I'm really proud of them because they they weren't. They just wanted Elizabeth wanted to make sure she had a pillow and stuff in there so that she could be comfortable, and they wanted to help me put her in the hole and fill it in, and they did great.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:11

And you know, so you didn't take the opportunity to use the moments as a teaching moment for your kids for anatomy? No. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:20

You know, I dude, I had this cat for 18 years. I know. I'm just giving you shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:26

How do men communicate with each other, Ben?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you have an animal that long, though, you know, it here's the thing: they give you love, they give you comfort, they're a companion, and then they do cats. And Phoebe was a sassy cat and everything else, but you know what? The pain you feel at the end when they finally go, that's the payment for everything they gave you. Yeah, sure. And I am by no means, oh, they're part of the family type person. I'm not. Like, I had a friend of mine, like Phoebe in the last few pet visits we had and stuff like that was a few hundred dollars of stuff. Yep. And I had a friend of mine tell me his dog has to have a surgery on the zero, and oh my god, it's gonna be two grand.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:14

Oh fucking.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:15

Well, well, my immediate question was well, is it gonna kill the dog? And if not, then oh well, the dog can be disfigured. Yeah, and if it is gonna kill the dog, you know, they'll put him down for like 70. Exactly. Exactly. Like, I I am not a super emotional person on this. I'm just not.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:36

No, I I totally know what you mean. Yeah, I had my cat.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:39

They're animals, not people.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:41

No. I had uh I had a cat, big orange main coon. He's about 18 pounds. And he was awesome. I had him since I think I was it was before I got a driver's license. So I think I was probably like 14 when I got him. And then had him until I moved out of my parents' house, and I lived in with my parents until I was like 32, 33. So quite a while. I think he was about 15 years old when he died. And it is really sad because you you've seen that entire life cycle from start to finish. And it it definitely reminds you of mortality.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:27

And you know, one of the things I'll say is when we first had the kids, I was really worried about how Phoebe, my cat, was gonna do with the kids, right? Because she's pretty spicy cat to begin with, but she just immediately took to them, didn't catch her or do whatever, and she just lay there, she'd mow and stuff, but just wouldn't never scratch one of the kids or anything else. And the kids called her grandma kitty, right? And like she was just this toothless old grandma kitty, again, 18, long life for a cat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And uh it was kidney failure that just she was fine, she was fine. Yeah, like I took her to the vet a couple weeks ago because she uh was having some problems with a urinary tract infection, and her kidney levels, we tested them all that they were fine. When we took her this week, they were off the charts, they couldn't measure them, like just boom, like that. And we brought her home so everybody could say goodbye with the plan on putting her down the next day, and she didn't make it through the night. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:30

So that's the other thing I'll say about cats. Now, I think I've had five cats over my lifetime, and you know, they know, and it's almost like they can do it at their own choice. Like when a cat just feels like, oh man, I don't know if he's gonna make it. They they die that night every freaking time I've ever had.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:56

So I I should have seen this coming because for the last week, she whenever we let her outside, she wouldn't come back in, she would just lay in a certain part of the yard. And what I recognize now is she was looking for a place to die.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:09

And anyway, it it is what it is, but it it was good. I'm glad the kids were okay enough. And you know, no one said a word until today. My son came up to me and goes, I'm still sad about Phoebe. And I said, Yeah, me too. And you know, it's okay, but we loved her and she had a good life. And we move on, right? You don't teach them that loss is so overwhelming or something like that. You teach them you celebrate the life they had and you move on, right? That's true of the same thing with people too. And and pet, and I think it exactly it is, and I think pets are really good for kids for that to be the first loss in their life versus a grandparent, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:33:54

Well, it depends how the loss I I still I think have uh emotional scarring from my pet duck when I was five years old who ended up on the dinner table.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:08

Parents should not do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:10

I had a one-legged duck, dude. Mm-hmm. So he got hit by dogs, and then one leg was broken and mangled and not really usable. And so I can I can definitively say no, a one-legged duck does not swim in a circle. Oh, one other note one before we close out. A American finally published the sixth Charlie's Requiem book.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:34

Oh, okay. Yeah, I need to pick that up.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:37

So for those who haven't been listening to us for a long time, A American has a going home series and a spin-off same universe series that ties in of Charlie's Requiem that are raw, really good, really detailed books. They're a little formulaic,

Survival Fiction Books Worth Reading

SPEAKER_01 1:34:55

but they're still pretty well written. I I like them. And A stands for angry, by the way.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:03

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're they're definitely worth reading. It it's a little my main complaint about it, but a minor one, is that I do feel like he was a little too without sin. Like I would like to have seen just a couple of well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's different, serious. But I would have liked to have seen a couple of instances where he had just you know really did something that he later regretted. And it it he just kept doing the right thing over and over and over. And I get it, you know, he's the you're portraying the sort of the quiet man who no one notices until shit hits the fan. I get that.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:54

But the man who just wanted to be left alone.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But we all just make mistakes, no matter how much you try, there will be instances, especially in in circumstances that you've never practiced before, that you just are brand new to, where you just don't have all the information, and so you you you know, you end up making a mistake, then you then realize that you made a mistake, and that happens. So I would have liked to see that, but overall, a very good book series.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:27

Yeah, and I recommend the everything A American has written, I have read, save this new one. I haven't gotten to it yet. But what's it called? Do you remember? It's just the sixth book in Charlie's Requiem. I didn't even look at the title, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:43

But it's it's a it's a great, fantastic series if you haven't read it.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:48

And also one of the things I really like about what I thought you uh I thought it was another book in the first series, in the Charlie's Requiem book six.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:58

Okay, okay, okay, got it.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:00

Yeah. One of the things I really I my comment was relating to the Going Home series.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:05

Right, and that's why I said he fixed that in Charlie's Requiem. He did, yeah. Uh, because it's way more raw. Like the first book is just brutal. Um so one of the things I really like in all of his books is the survival gear he names by brand make and model, and it's yeah, and you go look it up, and he's not making any of it up.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:32

Exactly. This is something that I always liked about Clancy's books, and a lot of people dislike. They were like, Well, he spends a hundred pages on model numbers and sizes. What the hell, man? It's like, yeah, that's what I like. I I like to look up the exact shit, and he's like, and if you go to James Volume Volume 26, published in 1984 on page 127, we have a picture of the plane they saw. Like flip, flip, flip, flip. Yeah, goddammit, that isn't there. Yep, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:05

No, I've definitely bought some of the gear that he's talked about in the books.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, it is funny because then you gotta wonder, it's like paid placement. I don't think so. I don't know. Some of that stuff is very uh what did he have? He had the kitchen gadget he had that I think we both ended up buying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Yep. I'd never use it, sitting in my garage.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:37

Anyway, I had another tip of the day. Oh. Ergonomics. Yeah. So I got something that you need to check out. Okay. It's called the Carpio 2.0. Have you looked at these? Uh-uh. It's a wrist rest, it's actually palm rest that goes behind your mouse that lifts your palm up so that your wrist is not at an awkward angle. Okay. It's fantastic.

Mouse Ergonomics And Repetitive Strain

SPEAKER_05 1:39:06

Huh. So there's some there's some mice that are you know vertical and lift your wrist up and this is for a standard mouse, and it's just a little rest that sits behind in your mousing area, and it's great.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:21

So does it attach the mouse or you attach to your desk or it doesn't attach to anything, it just sits on your desk behind your mouse, and your palm rests on it first, and then you grab, and as you move it your mouse around, you can move it around. So it moves as you're moving the mouse around? With friction, yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:39

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:40

Okay. It just glides on your desk. And uh how much should uh like 20-30 bucks.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:46

Oh, okay. So it's reasonably priced.

unknown 1:39:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:50

Yeah, I I I don't think that would work for me because I I have a different system for my mouse.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:59

In what way?

SPEAKER_05 1:40:01

So I have my palm, the back edge of my palm before my wrist, but the palm itself is actually against the edge of the table. And then my fingers move the mouse. I don't really move my wrist or anything. I just use my fingers to move the mouse.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:22

Well, if your palm can rest on the table at all, it would work perfect for you.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:27

Well, yeah, but my I guess what I'm getting at is I came up with this way of doing it 20 years ago, which got me to get rid of all my pain from using the mouse a lot. So I think I'm kind of doing like I'm I'm doing a similar thing just with a different placement.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:45

Yeah, so the way the way my setup is my arm, elbow, uh, and arm is on the desk, right? Yeah. And I go to the mouse, and it's not uncomfortable unless I'm using it for a long, long period of time. Right. But with this, maintaining that purple separation, right? It makes a big difference on a long day.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:10

So, yeah, you know, I I I get that. I just what I found works is just having your utensils, both the keyboard and the mouse, right on the edge of the desk. So that there's the only thing between your like my left hand and the keyboard is air. And the same thing with the mouse.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:28

That's the way mine is. Like I have no wrist rest for my keyboard. Right. My keyboard is just sitting on the edge. My mouse is a little bit different because of the the L shape of the desk and the way I'm set up.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:38

Oh, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:39

Right. But I very much am similar in that like my elbow may hang off or whatever. Yeah. And that's really the scenarios where this helps me the most, is where my palm is still sitting on the desk. My elbow may be on the edge, but it's lifting my palm up enough that that's not an uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:58

Well, and I I think this is where the carpental carpal tunnel issues come from, is when you're putting pressure when your whole arm is on the desk, you're putting pressure down, and then you're like basically the movements of your mouse are actually, you know, they're they're like yeah, they're like struggling against the arm being in the desk. So I don't think it's as comfortable to have your hands purely in the air the way that you and I both seem to have them. But it's I think it's actually better when you do that. So it's not as comfortable, but it it's actually better for them to avoid the uh repetitive stress injuries.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:41

Yeah, we just get repetitive stress injuries in different ways.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:45

That's very true. Oh okay. I was gonna mention something else here. Let me scroll up or down or whichever direction here. Uh oh, yeah. So I wanted to mention Odysseus. This is the at home. I don't see what you see in this project. Did you watch the whole video?

SPEAKER_01 1:43:10

No, I got bored.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:12

I figured, yeah, of course he did. So PewDiePie has done a lot of things in his life. And has, in a lot of ways, an incredible

A Home AI System You Control

SPEAKER_05 1:43:23

life. Thanks to video games and YouTube. But what he's been doing for the last year is working on an at-home AI system that looks like something out of the CRT days. It's all text-based. But it it you have to see it to know what I mean. But it looks like the UI can be was something that was lifted off like a compact computer 30 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:59

Sure, which I mean it's a chatbot in a lot of ways.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:03

Well, it it's but beyond its chat, but it does all the shit that the modern AIs do without having to pay somebody for monthly use of their AI. So it you can set up agents to do automation stuff. It's got a you know an intelligence agent that you can basically ask any kind of questions, it'll take care of looking up all the sources, again, without you having to pay any kind of monthly fee. He's got AI.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:33

You still have to have the hardware, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:37

You need the hardware. But that this may be the thing that finally gets me to get Linux. Because after he goes through and it and basically explains this whole thing, I would say sells you on it, but it's free. He's giving it away for free. But then he throws this line as like you know, I I don't have a UI or a Mac or a Windows version, so somebody else can take care of doing that shit. But if you want it, it's out and available right now. So it's like Unix only, Linux only. So I think this would be very cool. And given the number of people that are fans of PewDiePie, I think this can very quickly become one of the most utilized open source projects out there, which means it's gonna have a shit ton of support of you know, people writing new code for it, basically expanding its capabilities. So I think it's very cool. If I had a Linux box running right now, I would. I mean, technically speaking, I probably should.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:48

You you can like you can run all of this, like build out a true NAS box, dude, and run it there. Throw in a GPU.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:56

I have I have another PC with even uh a 3D.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:00

Build out a true NAS box and you know, throw in one of these Tesla like P80 GPUs with 24 gigs of VRAN on it, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that you can pick up for a few hundred dollars.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:15

Dude, I have I have a GPU with 16 gigs already. Yeah, but you want more than that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, of course I want more than that, but uh this is true. If you've got it, cool, right? Well, remember I've upgraded my GPU recently. You remember that, right? Still haven't sold it, so well, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:35

Yeah, and if you go to, let me know. Because I'm hunting for a cheap GPU to throw in my NAS. But you can run VMs, you can run containers, you can run apps. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's very simple. Yeah and the performance is fantastic. There you go.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:55

Yeah, no, I I like it.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:58

I I think I again I haven't done it, I haven't pulled the trigger, but this could very easily become the thing that gets me to go to that step.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:09

Speaking of on the NAS front, I have six hard drives in my cart right now for our right at $2,000.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:22

I just would not be buying well, I wouldn't be buying anything right now. It's not the right time. But you you missed a perfect opportunity to spend two grand for SSDs that would have been way bigger

NAS Builds, Hard Drives, And Bubbles

SPEAKER_05 1:47:34

than two grand buys you today. Yeah, but these are 12 terabytes. I know, but you could have had for 12 grand, you probably could have had 100 terabytes of SSD. Okay. Because I I bought my four terabyte SSD for like 225. Right before the year in VME.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:58

What SSD or NVMe?

SPEAKER_05 1:48:05

NVMe.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:06

M4. I I can't use that much MVME. I'm taking PCI lanes and splitting it out in the SATA.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:14

Yeah, yeah. And uh here's the other thing. You know, you could buy a four NVMe card, PCI card.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:20

Sure. If you have for one 16x lot, and the rest are not gonna run at that speed.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:27

Well, it depends on which motherboard.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:31

Get a server motherboard? Okay, anyway. There's cheap, and then there's good. And then there's the middle ground for the home enthusiast that works just fine. Yeah. Like the hard drives are not a bottleneck for me with the way I have my ZFS ZFS RAIDs configured because I have a one terabyte.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:55

So it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:55

Yeah, and I have a one terabyte MVME cache drive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Plus the RAM cache, which I have 96 gigs of RAM. It's dude, I I could I probably couldn't saturate that with a single 10 gig link. Yeah. Anyway, but uh yeah, so hard drive Go hard drive on eBay has these refurbished enterprise discs for $318.99 for 12 terabytes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've researched the specific part number on like backblaze and all that. I have what Seagate published as their mean time to failure and looking at it, and it seems to be a pretty good deal. I mean, they're offering the the seller's offering a three year warranty on it as well.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:49

So yeah, well, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:56

Well, if you look at current new prices. It's like half the price, dude. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:03

I don't know what what the hell is going on. I mean, I do know what's going on, but it is the data center bubble. It is quite retarded.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:10

That Elon's about to pop.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:11

Yeah, and that's the thing is I think when that bubble pops, it's going to be time to buying all kinds of shit that people that own data centers and went under won't be able to buy, and all that shit will be sold for cheap.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:27

Yeah. So I decided not to buy the SpaceX IPO. Oh, okay. One with You gotta buy hard drives instead. I get it. No, no, no. Well, just lots of things going on in life, and I'm not gonna be able to buy a meaningful amount right this second for a couple of reasons. But the other thing is there's gonna be a hell of a dip after the IPO. I really think.

IPO Timing, NVIDIA, And ARM Gaming

SPEAKER_01 1:50:52

Oh, yeah, that always happens, yeah. Yeah. So I'm hoping that in the next three months I'll be able to buy the dip.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:59

Yep, yep, yep. Yeah. That's I would be shocked if there's no dip for sure. NVIDIA is at uh just over 200, man. If that dips below two, I might be looking to rebuy it.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:14

I don't know that I'd buy NVIDIA right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:17

They've got a new product out.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:18

Yes, the new ARC processor, I'm aware. Thank you. We'll see how good the Windows emulation is on ARM. Historically, it's been really shitty. And yes, you can technically run Windows, you know, there's the compatibility layer that's running there, but it's been crap. But here's the thing. So in gaming, Windows has a few advantages because of the things they can do with the kernel that you can't do in Linux. But all the problems that you have with gaming on Linux with Proton, you're going to have with emulation. But it's an added layer because now you're not only emulating the kernel and the software components of it, but you're emulating the hardware components of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:12

Yeah. I don't think any of that matters right now because when Steam introduced their Steam Deck, gaming on non-Windows, non-Intel became a thing. A thing, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:28

And which means everybody has got a big enough swinging dick to push it.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:32

Yeah. Every game submitted to Steam right now is compiled to run on the Steam Deck.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:39

Not everyone.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:41

It's well, they're not optimized necessarily for Steam Deck, but they are compiled.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:46

Titles with the anti-cheat and stuff like that still doesn't work.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:50

Which ones?

SPEAKER_01 1:52:51

Kernel level anti-cheat on several.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:54

No, but you don't need anti-cheat on there. What what uh what doesn't work? Which games?

SPEAKER_01 1:52:59

Oh, uh there's a list. I'd have to go look. None of the ones I play.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:03

But you play 20-year-old games.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:05

I'm surprised that doesn't work. That should totally work. I all the games I play work.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:10

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:11

I'm talking about some of the new stuff, competitive stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:16

You mean like Call of Duty kind of stuff?

SPEAKER_01 1:53:18

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:19

Yeah, I could see that. I could see that.

unknown 1:53:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:23

But I don't know, man. In in general, I would have not expected as many games to be running on Linux right now as there are, and it's absolutely Linus Tech Tips wrap up of their Linux challenge.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:41

Yep. Yep. Pretty good results.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:46

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:49

Yeah. Yeah, I I I think we're we are good to go. So, Ben, I will chat with you next week. Uh and happy upcoming birthday. Thank you, sir.