SPEAKER_04 0:00

Howdy, Ben. How are you today? Um we'll see how long I can go, Gene. My uh my back's not in the greatest of shape. I got a injection today. So uh yeah. It was an interesting experience having an active x-ray machine guiding the doctor and where to put it between my vertebra and yeah. So

Back Pain And July Fourth Mood

SPEAKER_04 0:26

but you know what? Hey, if it helps the issue I've been having going on, then all the better. Yeah, Jim.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

So I'm kinda I'm just kind of tired. I certainly didn't get my back worked out or anything like you. But how's your uh you know, it's been a while since we chatted here. How's your fourth of July?

SPEAKER_04 0:48

Oh man, I it was amazing to watch just the celebrations around the country and the displays of patriotism, like the flyovers that the military did all over the country, even in New York where Mandami said he didn't want it. Oh, I didn't see the one in New York. Oh, it it was great, dude. Like the all the displays, it was just fantastic. Our even our local fireworks show here was good and just a lot of people celebrating. And I think you mix that with all the Europeans talking about how good America is and all this, and you combine it with this 250th anniversary. And I I think that really has lifted a lot of American patriotism in spirit.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

Yeah, I think the black pilling is a little worse than it was, or I don't know, worse, better, however you want to define it, but there's less people feel depressed. Yeah. The optimism is a little higher. That's the way to say it.

SPEAKER_04 1:55

Yep. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

Which is uh very good.

SPEAKER_04 2:00

Well, and you know, we we're starting to see a lot of the investments Trump has been talking about like actually come to fruition and RFPs being issued and stuff being built, you know.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Well, a lot of things in general that we've been kind of waiting on we're we're starting to see happen, which is very good. Trump even was able to call FIFA and get one of our players back.

SPEAKER_04 2:28

Yeah, well, that didn't matter. Well, but still Belgium, yeah. That's sad.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Losing to Belgium, yeah, not even the real country. It's about Belgium, it was like it's like District of Columbia.

SPEAKER_04 2:44

Yeah, yeah, but anyway, I I think I'm the reason why they lost. Oh, how so? Because I never, ever, ever watched soccer. Oh, you watched it for the first time and I turned that game on. Okay. So I take the colour.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

I'm sure you weren't I'm sure you were not the only American turning it on. Indeed. But look, it it's it would have been fun to get into the you know, the last two teams, top two or whatever, but realistically speaking, US did way better than anybody predicted before the start. Yes, very true. I mean, it was it was in a lot of ways a unexpected victories very early on. So I don't think there's anything to be ashamed of here for the U.S. team. They did excellent. Oh no, not at all.

SPEAKER_04 3:42

As long as Great Britain, as long as England doesn't win, we're good. Who who would you like to win? Anyone but England. They don't get to win on our 250th anniversary year.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

Well, I did order a uh a coin from JM Bullion. They had an American 250 silver round that was pretty neat.

SPEAKER_03 4:07

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_04 4:08

I ordered as a keepsake.

Soccer Pride And The 250th Spirit

SPEAKER_04 4:10

And uh any uh I don't get paid by them or anything, but they they're just where I go to buy some bullion every now and then. So nice. Nice. They've got some pretty cool designs on there.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

Well, I look forward to getting to my gift, Ben. Anyway, I only bought two. What? What do you mean you only bought one? I only bought one. All that money coming into this podcast, and that's that's how you spend it. Yeah, right. Well, we should say thank you to the people that are donating to the podcast that we appreciate everyone that does that, regardless of the amount given. And I think we have about six or seven people right now, and it kind of changes. Some people drop out, other people come in, and we've never made a dime off this podcast. I'm obviously kidding.

SPEAKER_04 4:55

Here we've just lost less money.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

Yeah, we lose less money, exactly. Every every month uh the donations are offsetting the actual expenses of doing the podcast. But we enjoy doing the podcast, and it's it's fun to know that there are people that actually enjoy listening to us.

SPEAKER_04 5:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

We can still be talking regardless, but you know, right.

SPEAKER_04 5:18

But when we get the interactions and stuff like that, it's it's nice.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's another thing. Is for anybody that doesn't know, there is a mechanism on the podcast website where you can actually communicate with us. I mean, it's not that hard to talk to us like on Signal or other places either, but if you want to do it just off the podcast, I think some of the podcast apps actually have that built in. You can communicate with us right through the podcast.

SPEAKER_04 5:48

Yep. So while we're talking about feeling better and some of these investments coming in, did you see the um Mike Rowe clip I sent? Uh no. Okay. Well, Mike Rowe is talking on this podcast, and it's a great little clip. He's talking about some of these mega projects coming up, and he's talking about data centers stealing electricians from each other approaching.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Oh, he's the dirty jobs guy if you guys aren't, if you can't remember.

SPEAKER_04 6:20

Yeah. Anyway, they're looking at electricians making with this boom of manufacturing build-out, both data centers and otherwise, because they don't have enough time to build up apprentices, yeah, making around 250k a year. Yeah. That's that's about right. I mean, it it's it's it's like when the oil field's real hot and you know, welders, if you're on pipeline projects, welders, you know, they walk across the street for 50 cents an hour, but you get into bidding wars, right? And a lot of the tradesmen don't have a loyalty to the company because why would they?

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Well, electricians in particular quite often are either small business or independent guys, so their expenses are very low. And I should do I remember paying over a decade ago over a hundred dollars an hour for electricians. So right now I would guess the hourly rate's probably around 160, 180. Yeah. Which means they're easily gonna keep 200 plus K out of that.

SPEAKER_04 7:28

Yeah, if you're a you know, full on done everything apprentice-wise and all that electrician, you can make some good money right now. Yeah, now you may have to be willing to travel to a part of the nation where stuff's getting built, but okay, do it.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

I think you can just be working in the Austin making that kind of money.

SPEAKER_04 7:48

Well, we we do have some projects coming up around here, even. Elon Musk is building a chip factory out of Gibbons Creek. So, you know, there's lots of stuff coming up. Hell, Toyota has decided to move one of their plants from Mexico to Texas.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Cheaper here, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:08

Less quality issues, but yes. And no cartel extortion fees.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

That's what I mean by cheaper.

SPEAKER_04 8:16

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Yeah, their overall cost in the U.S. is actually cheaper. And there's a story about that. But it's not like the hourly rate for labor is cheaper, their cost, total cost, is cheaper. Which is which, gee, I guess tariffs work? Wait a minute. Yeah. Everyone starts actually wanting to make things in the country that has tariffs.

SPEAKER_04 8:42

Yeah, well, yeah, you know, the Promethean action girls have been on this for a while. I love how you call them girls. Combined age of 200. Probably pretty close. But yeah, okay. So anyway, they've been on this and talking about the American system and vitalizing that. And I think there's a lot of truth to what they're saying. It's I didn't call it what they are calling it, but yeah, the they they're very much in the line of thinking that I've been espousing since Trump got re-elected.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Right. Which what's hilarious is they got on this in the late 70s and have stuck with it for that long. I mean, that's the crazy part.

SPEAKER_04 9:24

It's like graded a long enough life to see it proving out.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So I I do think it's pretty damn funny. You know, something that would have been like, you're nuts, you know, 40 years ago. You're looking at it now, I was like, Holy shit, they're totally right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, well, so tying back to before I forget here, the the whole British insult thing. So one of the video games that I play is called Elite Dangerous, which is a a spaceship game shocker. It is it it's a very good game,

Listener Support And How To Reach Us

SPEAKER_01 10:00

it's been around for a damn long time. I'd say in the neighborhood of 11, 12 years of this version, but the original Elite came out 36 years ago. So a long history. It's um game by a guy named David Brayman, British guy, and it was one of the games that people were playing on the the Commodore 64. And anyway, it's a British company, the guy still runs it after all these years. They've got much bigger projects, like they're the ones that make Jurassic World Evolution and the Zoo Tycoon games and a bunch of other games. But the game that that he first started making that in its current iteration right now is called Elite Dangerous. So, anyway, that's just a a long lineup for the funny little thing that's happening right now. Funny, but not that funny, is they just the first of July, they started, they added a new DLC, essentially, and it's it's free, so there's no it's a no-charge DLC that adds a new method of on-foot combat for groups of one to four people, where you fly to an enemy ship, you get into it, then you take over the ship, or you you know, you kill the hostiles aboard, that kind of stuff. Pretty fun gameplay. I've been enjoying it. I actually made some YouTube videos on it already, which I haven't done for a long time. But the thing that's interesting here is that when this came out, we started noticing that while all the gameplay is working, the rewards that you get from finishing the mission, you aren't actually getting, or you're not getting like 80% of the time, you're only getting about 20% of the time. And you know, clearly a bug, clearly something going on that's wrong. And I play with a lot of British guys. And I don't hold it against them. You know, we're we're the same age, we can talk about Doctor Who. And what we started noticing is when the British guys are the ones like organizing the game, like you're the one that invites all the other players that are coming into your group. Then we get paid, we get rewards 80% of the time. When I do it, we get rewards 20% of the time. Like, hold what's going on here? So, like, there's there's a bias. Now, it's a bug. Everyone's acknowledged it's a bug, not a feature. But the bug seems to be working in a way where if you're an American, you ain't getting

Electrician Pay Surges With Mega Projects

SPEAKER_01 12:45

rewards. If you're British, then you're getting rewards most of the time. So it's it's like a so we were having great fun talking about that on July 4th. I was like, you bastards doing this on purpose, aren't you? Now, all kidding aside, uh, I actually turned on logging and and in their network log that I can see that there's some stuff that is timing out and multiple retries happening. So I'm sure there's a connectivity issue that that is currently happening. My best guess is that there's a the server that handles the actual transactions that happen at the end of the game. There's it's currently probably only sitting in the UK, has not been replicated to other data centers. And it's of course very busy because it's a new feature. Everyone's trying this, everyone's playing the game. And so I think the the server that's sitting in the UK is just timing out more frequently to the rest of the world than it is to people in the UK. And I'm sure that their solution is going to be to roll this out across other data centers in the US and other regions as well. But it's still funny, like without looking at any of the techie nerdy shit, it is funny that the bug seems to be based on what country you're you're in.

SPEAKER_00 14:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

So anyway, that was my story about 4th of July, you know, the Brits, me being able to accuse them of not ending the war and slowly in their own little way continuing to harass America.

SPEAKER_04 14:29

Well, yeah, they they do that in plenty of ways. Before we get too far from the fourth, did you watch Trump's speech that he waited so long to give? I I watched, I I did not watch the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

I watched clips, man.

SPEAKER_04 14:45

Oh man. At least watch the anime thing I put in the show notes. Okay. Where they the Japanese, someone in Japan did anime of it, and the way it's delivered, yeah, I saw the anime that is delivered, and it's just you realize, oh my god, what a powerful speech.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Like, anime does really cool anime.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

John and Adam were like poo-pooing it, oh, it wasn't a funny speech. No, it was a dead serious, really well delivered, good speech. Like very patriotic, potent words that should go down in if he pulls off what we hope he pulls off, then that speech needs to go down in history books as a turning point. Yeah, it really does.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

Yeah, the the anime aside, uh, yeah, it was very, very exactly what it should have been. You know, it was very patriotic, very America is the best, blah blah blah. Just, you know, Team America stuff. But that's what we want right now. That's exactly what we want. So it I think it is very, very good that he's doing it. I'm I'm still kind of waiting for something, some big surprise to happen around Iran that makes us look like we didn't just lose the war. But that aside, I I think most of the stuff Trump is doing is looking good.

SPEAKER_04 16:16

Well, I I I think he did great. You know, the way he brought up the veterans and had the different flags and tied it to it, and yeah, just it it was extremely well

Reshoring Manufacturing And Tariffs Debate

SPEAKER_04 16:30

done.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Yeah. And Trump is good at that kind of stuff. So that is definitely a skill. He's a showman. He's a showman.

SPEAKER_04 16:39

Yeah. Like there's one quote I'm trying to find the text of, but I can't find it, so we'll skip it. But you know, basically, we need to reclaim our place, realize who we are, realize that the whole world has been trying to tear us down, that so much of our industry left, but America is still the strongest nation on earth in every way. Now, I did see people the the it's interesting because the Libs were losing their shit over, you know, America's 250.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 17:16

And they one of the things I saw was an article about a new measurement of GDP based off of buying power.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

What what?

SPEAKER_04 17:28

Yeah. And it's interesting because America fell falls to number two. And it's interesting because our GDP doesn't change, but China's does, which makes this obviously an erroneous document to begin with. Right. But how you can say China has more buying power, especially when they debase their currency the way they do, yeah, makes zero sense. Yeah, that's just a stupid measurement. Exactly. Like it just means.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

What kind of buying power do they have when they can't get oil?

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Right?

SPEAKER_01 18:08

That's not power.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Yeah, it it's uh it's just silly.

SPEAKER_04 18:15

Speaking of can't get oil, Cuba, island wide blackout. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Oh, not just Cuba, also New York.

SPEAKER_04 18:23

Oh, well, they were having grid issues, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Oh, sure.

SPEAKER_04 18:27

The main grid issue is a socialist mayor. No, actually, I think it's really just load because they're having such a heat wave that they're not used to.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Yeah, I'm not letting them off that easy.

SPEAKER_04 18:41

Well, it's decades worth of but it's decades worth of policy because they don't really have a whole lot of generation inside New York City. It all has to come in on transmission lines, and they don't let them build a whole bunch of transmission lines.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

Yeah, they're they were literally encouraging people to turn off air conditioners.

SPEAKER_04 19:01

Yeah, and set it at 78.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

In in the in the biggest heat wave that they've had in a long time, that's when they decide to tell people to turn off air conditioners. They're literally our party of death. They're trying to kill people. Well, at least old people. Well, yeah, I'm approaching that, man. That's approaching. Uh okay, yeah, you know, near. But they're it's it's insanity, is what it is. It's it's like taking people that you know are otherwise fine, and then saying, well, we're we're gonna save food for all the uh migrants coming over, so you guys should just starve for a while.

unknown 19:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

That'd be exactly the same party having a policy like that.

SPEAKER_04 19:54

Trump is arriving at the this was earlier, he was arriving at the NATO dinner, and the red carpet that they rolled out for him on I mean, it is almost like the the ceremony when he landed in China.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

Mm-hmm. You're saying NATO doesn't have money?

A Video Game Bug With A Flag

SPEAKER_04 20:16

I'm sorry?

SPEAKER_01 20:17

What do you say? NATO doesn't have money.

SPEAKER_04 20:20

Well, it's just the he got a welcome that the other world leaders did not.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Oh, don't get yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:26

Yeah. And you know, the just his comments like at the G7, I'm the boss, right? Yeah. This very much shows that in a lot of ways.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Okay. I thought you were referring to the fact that the carpet they rolled out in China seemed like it wasn't really sized properly and it wasn't connected to anything. It was just kind of like a haphazard thing. Well, I mean, Chinese workmanship. Well, China's not known for carpets. I mean, that that's probably an Iranian carpet.

SPEAKER_04 20:59

Well, this was Turkish, so they did good. Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

All right, well, we got anything else on the 4th of July, otherwise you can jump around a little bit. We can jump. So, interesting thing, I just saw a video on. I don't know if you did. So the there's a new ATF proposed rule. Can be looking for comments that effectively changes the way that gun purchases work in in a way to facilitate shipping it to your door. So the way this works, and you know, it it I think they haven't worked out all the details, but basically you work with a gun store to fill out all your forms that you would normally do in person at the gun store, but you do that remotely, and then that local Meaning state gun store processes all that forms and everything, at which point the firearm then is shipped directly to you rather than to the gun store for you to pick up. So the gun store is still doing stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:18

But it's no longer transfer fee.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Yeah, but exactly. But it is no longer holding guns for somebody else's behalf. It's there, they're no longer gonna be a post office. Which they're gonna like because they're gonna it reduces their liability. Same money coming in, less liability, less storage space. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

Yeah. So like when I go to get a gun and the next one, yeah, so you just basically just do my Brady Day.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Yeah. Yeah. So you would just, you know, go online, fill out your info, and you presumably already have a login in that store, and then put all the information in on the form that you would normally be filling out and be able to do it all online. So I'm all for this. Now I I will say I've not read the rule, I've just watched a video about the rule. So I don't know what other details they might have in there that they're bringing in. But they're also looking at removing fingerprints for NFA items. Yeah, yep. Which is I think this is also part of the the new incoming ATF head that he's talked about wanting to stick to the law in things like not retaining records.

SPEAKER_04 23:39

And so he is and to to be clear, he's worked his way up through the ATF, and I don't think he's some big gun guy or conservative.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

He is both, actually. He talked about it in in an interview.

SPEAKER_04 23:53

He's also said some fairly liberal things. Well, I maybe but but what what I think what I think his motivation is more than anything is operational efficiency.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

Yeah. Yeah, operational efficiency is is there, but like he talked about how stupid the the brace rule is. And he he said, you know But he also said he was going to enforce it. Well he said that he he had to enforce it, yeah. It wasn't a choice he was making, it was what the lawyers said they they needed to do until X, Y, and Z change.

SPEAKER_04 24:26

But it's now he talked about it and how as soon as the as soon as I can't remember which manufacturer was that he also clarified that if it's a pistol lower with a brace, you're fine. Yeah. If it's a rifle lower with a brace and a short barrel, you have an SBR.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

Yeah. Which is the way the law's written, and it's stupid, and it needs to go away. But we don't want the ATF changing laws in either direction. We want them to enforce the law in the strictest sense of the law and not waver from it. Most of the problems that we've had with ATF over the last, well, really since I'd say the early 90s have dealt with their discretionary enforcement. Not the fact that they're sticking to the laws as written. And you know, we can bitch to Congress about the NFA, not the ATF. The ATF didn't create the NFA, Congress did. We just need to make sure the ATF doesn't enforce something that doesn't exist. Which unfortunately they have done quite a few times over the last 30, 40 years. So I I think he's about as good an ATF head as we could hope for. Now, we obviously have talked about how cool it would be to have somebody like a Brandon running the ATF, but from a practical standpoint, I think that would be very mean to do to a guy like Brandon. Because any any I think he'll be better off in Congress. He will, absolutely, because ultimately, again, that's who's creating the law. That's who needs to change this. If we well, the other way is if we can get it completely thrown out in court, that'd be great. Better late than never. But really, what we need to do, and so there are two things that I that I did when I was in high school, actually, and then continue talking about in college, politically speaking, and that is that the solution to most of the problems of US government has term limits and automatic sunsets for bills. If you just start putting end dates on everything, there will be less bad laws and fewer bad politicians. Because that filtration mechanism is going to take them out. Now, people immediately are yes, but what about the good politicians? What about the good laws? You're gonna get rid of them as well. Yes, you will, and that's the price you have to pay for having a better government than you currently.

SPEAKER_04 27:20

And the argument, the argument there is, you know, for every Ron Paul you get, you have way more crap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you you yes, you're gonna flush out of a few good ones who could have stayed there a little longer, but at the same time, yeah, you're gonna get rid of the bad ones faster.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

Nobody needs to be a career politician, not in one job. I mean, I don't mind as they grow into a bigger and bigger roles in politics. That's fine. I just we don't need Congress critters being Congress critters for 40 years. That's insane.

SPEAKER_04 28:01

Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, Biden.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

No, Biden. Like, none of that is good on either side. Uh, these are people that effectively don't do a job. All they do is do elections. That's their job. Just do elections. Because once the election is won, their actual payout doesn't come from their salary, it comes from lobbyists, and that's mainly who their focus is on serving. And I and I guess that's the other thing is like there are plenty of science fiction books, or fiction books, I should say, not necessarily science fiction books, political fiction books that deal with a oligarchical type political system where you don't have direct voting by people, you have voting by corporations. And as long as it's above board and legal, that's fine too. But let's not pretend that people vote when actually it's corporations that vote.

SPEAKER_04 29:12

Well, I think people vote too, but I'm not saying they do.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

I'm just saying let's not pretend. Because for some politicians, there's no way in hell that the people are voting for those politicians. Nancy Pelosi once again comes to mind. It's there has to be a separation between what people are voting or who people are voting for and the amount of money coming in when those politicians are running.

Trump Speech And GDP Spin Games

SPEAKER_01 29:46

And this is one of those topics where I think I probably differ from most of the Republicans on because I actually think that campaign reform is a good thing. I think that what we've had really mostly benefited the politicians and made it easier. It doesn't necessarily make it more difficult for average people, but it makes it easier for people that are capable of donating way more money to be able to funnel that money. The pack system of donations doesn't really empower the small donating individual like the way that it was supposed to. What it does is it lets major donors just hide their money better. Sure. They're doing they're they're basically doing political donation swaps. Like let's say I want to donate $100,000 to I don't know, pick your random politician.

unknown 30:55

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

Brandon Herrera. There you go. Let's say him, right? $100,000. And I don't want to be listed as a donor of $100,000 to Brandon Herrera. So I'm gonna do a bunch of swaps with a bunch of other people that want to donate to other candidates, where we each donate to each other's candidates at a hundred dollar level that adds up to our total donation, and we just keep that off. And all of that is mixed in through the same pack, and when the pack donates it, then it's just our names are not uh showing up as major donors to any of these guys, and we are we are you know in the fog, insulated from any spyglass being put upon us, even though Brandon well knows where the money came from. So that's an obviously a fictitious example, but the idea is I just I think there are a number of things I would change fairly radically in the way that voting works. I think we should have open voting, not closed voting. I think we should have any size donation be tracked and anybody can check who you donate money to. I think all of that would go a long way towards legitimizing elections and who the politicians are. It's this is also why I don't think there's a problem with voting on the internet because if it's public voting, it's not secret voting, you're just putting your vote on a blockchain that's publicly available. There's no problem with doing that. And I think, well, except anybody that knows me knows who I vote for because I fucking talk about it nonstop.

SPEAKER_04 32:41

Right, right, right. But the the other thing I would say is it would actually make it easier to hide voter fraud without very strong authentication of the person who's placing the vote, and that's what you need, and that's where voter ID comes in. So you would be making an argument for digital ID.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

I would make it DNA-based.

SPEAKER_04 33:04

Fuck that. No one needs my DNA. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 33:07

I think that you're if you want to vote, you have to demonstrate that you are an individual, you're not a group. It's a fingerprints is what like countries without technology use. They dip your thumbprint into a an ink, and then your thumb is placed over the box or the empty place of the candidate you're voting for. Yep. And that's superior, frankly, to what we currently have.

SPEAKER_04 33:39

It gives a visual indicator of A, that you already voted, so you can't go vote again, and B, it gives the indicator of who the hell voted. Yeah. For each vote.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Yeah, and I'm I'm sure there are people that can pretend to vote by just coloring their fingers, you know, black or whatever, but it's like I don't see a downside to doing that. And frankly, I remember during the the last elections, it might have been Bill Maher that went down the list of countries and how long their election results take. Like countries that are large, like Brazil, somehow can manage to get their and and less technical than we are, somehow yet manage to get their election results within 24 hours. California takes two months. What the fuck? So they have to have a way of knowing how many votes they need to steal. That's that's exactly right. That is literally it. And that's what we saw in the Biden campaign where we had the hockey stick effect for votes. Where it's like we have a trend line clearly showing who's gonna win. In in all of history in the past, those trend lines were correct like 90 plus percent of the time. In the Biden election, a ton of those trend lines turn out to be all of a sudden wrong because last minute after midnight, like crates and pallets of votes show up that have a distribution ratio of 99 to 1. For Biden. What the fuck? So I think voting ought to be. I mean, I don't mind that it's optional. I there's nothing with people not voting if they don't want to vote. Absolutely in support of what you and I talked about of there being a voter class of people, the actual citizens versus just residents of the country as well. But for the people that do vote, I'm greatly in favor of having real tracked voting that is tied to the individual and publicly visible.

SPEAKER_04 35:57

I agree with the publicly visible part. I agree that there should be non-universal franchisement. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

Yeah, and the problem with not using something like DNA or or fingerprints, something that's not unique is that if it's just say it's just a long ass password, right? There's there's nothing that says that that's still actually that person voting, because that person could have written that password down and given it to somebody else, and then that person votes, or that could be stolen, which obviously happens as well. Passwords get stolen all the time. So how do you ensure it's that person? Now, if you're a tech company like Google, then you probably want to go down the facial recognition route and say, Well, we have our database, we know who all these people are, or Apple, who's been using an iPhone that unlocks your phone with your face now for pushing into the phone.

SPEAKER_04 36:53

I don't know why anyone

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SPEAKER_04 36:55

would enable that.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

Everybody uses it because Canadians, it's easy. I don't. I know, but you're a minority, dude.

SPEAKER_04 37:04

And it's no, I just do this, I do cybersecurity for a living. Like when I go to the doctor's office, like I did today, the nurses are always the or the check-in staff is always shocked when I say, Yes, you can see my driver's license, do not make a copy of it.

SPEAKER_01 37:19

Yeah, but we need a copy for our records.

SPEAKER_04 37:22

No, you can ask me for it every time. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

Yeah, but our policy says we need to have a copy for our records for all our patients. Do I need to find a different doctor? I mean, you could say that. So I solved that problem a long time ago with doctors. So, and I've had the same doctor now for 15 years. But when I first was going through different doctors and stuff, and it's technically true, so I wasn't even lying, right? But my introduction with the doctor was was, you know, oh well, you know, what what brings you here? Oh, just moved here, will you work? It's like I always said, Well, I'm a HIPAA auditor. Because I was, I did HIPAA audits. And when you say the word HIPAA and the word auditor to a medical professional, whether it's at the front desk or the doctor, their back straightens. Okay. Because they don't want to be the cause of a financial outlay. Okay. So that's that's that was what I was getting at. It's like simply just you know, you you can threaten to go somewhere. Dude, if I if you call my doctor, the greeting message is if you are rude to our staff, you will be let go immediately. Like doctors are not looking for more patients right now. Not the good doctors. They're they're not taking new patients on. They're letting go of old patients. They're making plenty of money without that. So I think the threat of just going elsewhere is not one that works particularly well in a in a poorly competitive environment like medical care.

SPEAKER_04 39:10

Well, do you want to move on to a different socialist topic? So are they all socialists? Yeah. So there's a couple. We can either talk about Plattner or the New York building.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

What what's going on with Platner?

SPEAKER_04 39:27

So Plattner is about to suspend his campaign over new sex allegations. Oh, hadn't heard that. Okay. By an ex-girlfriend. So I think Maine will be safe. Like the Democrats are gonna have to walk away from the Nazi. It's not clear to me how they're gonna have a candidate since he won the primary and was this far along. You know. I I don't know, I don't know the Democrat rules enough to know how they're gonna finagle that. But whoever Really?

SPEAKER_01 39:59

You don't know the rules? You didn't see what happened with Biden? Oh, no, no, no. I I gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 40:04

But that's my point. Like they'll they'll do something. Yeah. But anyway, it's it's just interesting that the people still getting me too'd and all that are Democrats.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 40:18

Because your base is more susceptible that than ours. Because you you like I I think if someone were to try and pin a sex scandal on me, for example, I would just go, Yeah, I was young and dumb. Mm-hmm. And move on with my life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:40

Yeah, yeah. That's not a bad way of doing it. In fact, that was something that I really liked at the time in uh Tom Clancy's book. Uh oh, it was about the uh the president. What the hell is that book called? Uh I can't remember if that was Depth or Dead of Honor or another one, but it was one where the a guy that was close to the president ends up being caught for doing something illegal. And the the president is trying to think of whether he should say anything about it, and if he should say something, what should he say? And he ends up asking Ryan about his advice. What would you do, right? And Ryan's character's advice was like, well, Mr. President, I would I would just say that you know, he was a good friend and somebody that you know talk about his positive characteristics and things that you guys shared in common. And and he's like, Really? And it's like, yeah, if you lean into the things that that made you be friends, then you are just like everybody else, a human who didn't wasn't able to predict fault, and now feels betrayed. If you dump on this guy, it's gonna make people ask, Well, why were you friends with Jeffrey Epstein all those years then? If you thought he was a bad guy. If you try and ignore it, they're gonna say, Well, what are you hiding about Jeffrey Epstein? So the only solution there is to just act like this caught you off guard as much as it did everybody else, and that you genuinely thought this guy was a good guy, and you were horrified to learn that you're wrong. And I thought it was a brilliant advice in that book, the whose name I I can't remember the name of the book. And if Trump would have taken that advice with Epstein, I think he wouldn't be where he is today.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

Potentially. Potentially, sure. Oh man.

SPEAKER_04 43:11

Yeah, so anyway, Platner's gonna be out, and I think that's not a bad thing. Yeah, I mean one less Nazi. Well, and you know, more likely that the more likely that the the Republicans hold, you know, hold the Senate.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

So And then did you see that in in Colorado, in Denver, a socialist won the primary for the Democrats?

SPEAKER_04 43:41

Yeah, I did. But we saw a lot of that in New York as well.

SPEAKER_01 43:46

Yeah. Absolutely. And I I'm actually all for that. I think that it is much better to have these people with their masks off than pretending to be a middle of the road Democrat during election. Elections and then taking the mask off after elections. Like I would much prefer that they publicly right now go out there and campaign as radical socialists. Well, that's what they're doing. They are, yeah. And they will win in certain districts. And I think that's fine, because again, this is representation of the population, right? But what it's gonna do is it's gonna make sure that nobody outside those districts treats them as though they're more of a middle-of-the-road democrat who maybe you want to try and work with. You want to isolate them and you want to prevent them from achieving anything during their office stay.

SPEAKER_02 44:48

So all for it, man.

SPEAKER_04 44:52

All for it. We'll we'll we'll see. I don't know. I think it will be definitely interesting to see if those socialists win in the general election or not. I think in New York, the answer is likely yes. But, you know, who knows? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty bad. Did we talk last show? Because it's uh I know it's been a while since we're kind of catching up because we didn't do a show on our normal time last week.

SPEAKER_04 45:27

Lost my voice.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

Yeah.

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Everybody else, I'm sure, enjoyed that. Did uh did we talk about the what Congressman Ogles did with the legislation to ban pregnant foreigners?

SPEAKER_04 45:45

No, we have not.

SPEAKER_01 45:47

That's a kind of old story at this point. But I I love the creative solutions that people come up with. So when the Supreme Court fucks up and decides that there's which they did, decides that there's some kind of a birthright that exists. And I I can't remember off the top of the head, so I don't want to butcher what the the B came out in the cartoon about that, but it was it was essentially something to the effect of the Supreme Court. I I I don't want to butcher it. It was but it was funny because it was relating to their the idea of the insanity of thinking that just because someone was driving through your state that now they're a resident of your state while they were driving through there just because they, you know, did something while they were driving. It's like it it's there are interviews that I'm sure you've seen as well that were made after the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment.

SPEAKER_04 47:00

Uh there are interviews the the framer of the Fourteenth Amendment said that this should not be construed to Right, you know, it didn't even convey at the time of the at the framing of the Fourteenth Amendment, it did not even convey American citizenship to Indians living on reservations. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 47:19

So it it's a wholly created bullshit thing that exists much like Roe Wade existed in the courts and accepted as somehow a rule of law without any law being there to actually make it happen.

SPEAKER_04 47:38

So I hope that's descent was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 47:42

Oh well, dude, everything coming out of Clarence Thomas's office, and I I'm sure that he, you know, I don't I don't think he writes everything verbatim. I think he's got some really good clerks working for him there, but but he put his name on it, so it's definitely his descent. But everything that he's been writing about lately has just been top-notch. But yeah, it it's I guess we have to stick with it a little while longer. I d I think that the the blame for the current Supreme Court lies unfortunately as much with Trump as it does with the Democrat appointees who, well, what's her name? Kananji whatever the name is. Kananji Brown Jackson her name is. I don't even know. Is a moron. Okay. She that that is a number one example of DAI in law school.

SPEAKER_04 48:42

DEI, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

Yeah. Because there's okay. I meant D E I, yeah. Because if you listen to her speak, listen to her ask questions, there's no way in hell that she would have gone on and and past law school. Like, no way. She's not that bright. I mean, I don't I don't know which school she went to, but I can't imagine that that she is a typical representative from that law school. So definitely a DEI appointee and a DEI student, more than likely.

SPEAKER_04 49:21

I wonder if she went to like brown like Condoleezza Rice did.

SPEAKER_01 49:27

Where did uh what's her name? The the last VP go to school.

SPEAKER_04 49:32

Shit, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

I don't remember either.

SPEAKER_04 49:36

Kamala.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

Kamala Harris.

SPEAKER_04 49:39

Yeah. So I I saw did you see the news about the building in New York being evacuated?

SPEAKER_01 49:49

Uh no.

SPEAKER_04 49:51

So a building in New York, some of the I beams holding it on. He went to Harvard.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

That explains everything.

SPEAKER_04 49:58

Who which one?

SPEAKER_01 49:59

Katanji Brown Jackson.

SPEAKER_04 50:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:02

Yeah, that's a typical Harvard grad right there. Yeah. That school has gone to absolute shit.

SPEAKER_04 50:10

Yes, because of some of their diversity requirements.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

Yeah, like all of them.

SPEAKER_04 50:14

Yeah. Anyway, there's a building in New York where the I-beams are the one of the structural engineers said, you know, they're they're folding like cigarettes. They're bowing quite a bit and everything else. And he started blaming capitalism. They just wanted to make money. They just did this. And while that may be true, what I would say is, yes, and you have some of the strictest building code enforcement in the world. So why didn't your inspectors catch it? This is relating to what? The building in New York. Oh, the New York. You know, i i if big government works and you have put in these strict controls, why did they fail? W why is that not the question being asked? You know, did someone take a bribe? Did some like what happened there?

SPEAKER_00 51:16

Yeah, it it's um who knows.

SPEAKER_01 51:23

But I don't see how blaming a political system has anything to do with it. I do. First of all, New York is not capitalism. So if anything, if you want to blame New York, well, let's blame socialism.

SPEAKER_04 51:41

By the way, I don't know if you're paying attention, but the Iranians are describing the the retaliatory strikes that we're doing right now against them for attacking one of the ships in the Straits of Hormuz as non-proportional and a punishment. And this is exactly what we said was gonna happen. Right? As soon as they do that, we're just gonna whack them again.

SPEAKER_01 52:06

Yeah. Yeah, I just want them whacked really good. I don't like a bunch of little whackings like this. I just want one big whacking. Yeah. I I think, well, the the non-proportional thing in Iran immediately made me think of the fat electrician.

SPEAKER_04 52:23

Yeah, and when we sunk most of the navy of their navy in one day, yeah. And then we a few years later we just did it again. So there you go. Yeah. You would you would think that all the countries in the world would be paying attention to what happened in uh Venezuela and Iran, what's going on in Cuba, and go, I should really be buddy buddy with the U.S.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

Well, and that's what most of Latin America decided. With a few notable exceptions. Yep, they're very buddy. Except for Mexico. Mexico is definitely on the other side of this. Well, that's because they're run by the cartels.

SPEAKER_03 53:08

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 53:09

Yep. And Trump is very anti-drugged, so it's never gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 53:13

But if he were libertarian, cartels are no cartels would not exist in a libertarian society. The only reason cartels exist is because of prohibition. When the prost of drugs is cheap, nobody wants to do a cartel around that drug. My take on drugs is pretty libertarian. I think we've talked about it before. I I think that drugs are a positive way of reducing the population of letting essentially um what's the phrase? Uh what's the show that Brandon does every month? On screen. No, no, no, no. No, his episode. Yeah, they're worse, yeah. I I think drugs are a way for population to be naturally controlled and trimmed of the elements that probably should not reproduce. And doing it in a non-draconian, not you know, kind of dystopian future way.

SPEAKER_04 54:28

Well, and you know, there there's uh yes, as long as you do not render aid.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

Well, that's what my point you shouldn't be rendering aid. Okay. So just let the drugs take their natural course. And if you if you don't try and keep people alive, they're not gonna be alive.

SPEAKER_04 54:52

I mean, I'm fine with that.

SPEAKER_01 54:54

Yeah. So it's this is something, this is a topic I I've talked to my dad a lot over the years, is the idea that every medical advance, every sort of a expansion of of expansion, so a lengthening of human expected life, all these things, all these modern medical miracles, at least that's what they used to be called, they all work to counter the natural selection process that every other species has. So when there's too many deer, you know, you have uh several outcomes. They can starve because there's not enough food, but before they starve, they're gonna wreck large tracts of lands because they're gonna be feeding on more of the more of the the plants that are there than the the number of plants that can handle that population size of deer. But ultimately they're gonna starve. So in nature, you have these counterbalances for everything that exists where the deer population is controlled

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by predators, so that that rarely happens, occasionally still happens, but rarely, because when the deer, when there's a too many deer, they're easier to get to the predators, and then they're that population is trimmed by the predators. So a mechanism like that for humans has historically existed in two main ways. One is illnesses and diseases, I guess I should say, and then the second one is war. So when you have fewer wars and you start battling diseases and you're successful at it, you're no longer trimming the weakest of the humans off of the population pool. And what you're doing now is you're you're uh expanding a a population that is inclusive of a lot of defects. Yes. And so what we need to do is build some camps. You and your camps. What FEMA camps, yeah. For the weak populations to go to on trains.

SPEAKER_04 57:31

I I I find it hilarious that you're saying this.

SPEAKER_01 57:39

Well, I get accused of being a eugenicist, but if, but you know, if that's the definition, I'm okay with it. Because I I don't think that the human population, the human species, can survive if it does not control the problems that arise out of having defective DNA in a large percentage of the population, it's getting larger and larger every year. Like that has to get treated.

SPEAKER_04 58:07

But now that now we're at the point of not reproducing.

SPEAKER_01 58:10

So well, and this is the end result, right? This is this is this is another trigger mechanism that is built in that if there is not a war, and if there is not enough disease, not enough wars, not enough disease, then what happens in the rat experiment when you when you have rat utopia, ratopia, yeah, mouse utopia, yeah. Mouse utopia, whatever. I thought it was rats. Was it mice?

SPEAKER_04 58:35

No, it was mice.

SPEAKER_01 58:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 58:37

Well, you've got the pretty ones and all. I mean, it's very you read it and look at what's going on with our society, and you just go, oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 58:45

Yeah, yeah, you got all the influencer mice walking around there. Yep. Yeah, and and I think most people that probably listen to us know what we're talking about because that experiment's been around for a long time. Tim Poole talked about it quite a bit, other people have as well. But like that is a another built-in control mechanism is that when things are too good, then their desire to reproduce goes away.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

Yeah, agreed.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

Yeah, and in incidentally, in a number of science fiction books, this was also brought up when when cloning becomes prevalent and people are able to effectively live, if not forever, at least for a very long time, is that nobody has sex anymore. Everyone just focuses on continuing their lives. So there isn't the natural sort of inflow cycle of people that are learning, and you know you you get stuck, you get stuck in a rut, and ultimately there's not a good way to get out of this rut. And and people no longer having children is a very difficult long-term rut that is virtually impossible to get out of.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:14

Agreed.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:15

Like radical change has to happen to get out of that rut.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:18

Otherwise, I mean it'll happen in the next couple generations because we're gonna have such population collapse. It's it's games will have to change one way or the other.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:26

Now you can argue that robotics and AI might save us, but I highly doubt it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:31

But all that does is it's it's like the science fiction solution where you know, when technology advances enough that people can extend their own lives, which is effectively what you're doing with robotics, then that further removes the need for reproduction. We always kind of joke like the people that had big families.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:52

If the sex robots get here before there's a change in feminism, we're definitely screwed.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

Yeah, it's yeah, no two ways about it. Yeah, it's uh I think this is one of those things that could be an answer to the question of why haven't we met any intelligent aliens? Because they've all gone through this and they all got sex robots.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:19

Yeah. And that was it. That's the end of it. Well, then we just need to create some oxalotl tanks. There you go.

unknown 1:01:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:27

And for those who get the Dune reference, there you go. Have we talked since about the AI models I'm running at home?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:38

I mean, you and I talked briefly. I don't think we talked on the on the show.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:42

So I'm able to right now, I'm running Quinn 3.6, 35 billion parameter version of it. It's pretty good. And I'm getting 41 tokens a second on a 10-year-old GPU. Which is just astonishing to me. By the way, I uh just asked it who is Adam Curry, and it gives a brief overview of his career, and it does call out a podcasting podcasting pioneer in the early 2000s, but recognized the potential of RSS-based audio distribution. He co-created iPotter, da da da with Dave Weiner. It actually gives him credit. How about that?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:25

So you know that's a Chinese thing, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:28

Yes, Quinn is one of the Chinese open source models. They're they're pretty optimized for this type of hardware because they don't have the best chips. Right. So, you know, on some of the others, like I have an open claw that I run. It is it it does not perform as well because it's expecting more of the coup de cores than I have, but it's still useful. And Gene, I gotta tell you, the best use I've found for this, what I use it almost daily for, yep. Bible study.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:03

Oh, yeah, that's cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:04

So I have a no new data, right? Well, it's not just that. I have a I I I use a couple of them, but the one I'm using the most is the Baptist Christian Bible expert. And what I like about it, and this is what's so cool, is I can tell it, okay, I want to find verses related to this using King James and also break down each verse using the strongest concordance, giving me the Hebrew and the Greek breakout so I can really understand it. I have a strong concordance sitting on the bookshelf. It's a pain in the butt to use because you got to flip around and understanding a single verse could take a while, but having this tool there is incredibly useful.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:48

Yeah. Yeah, it's uh it should be good for that. That's actually a perfect application for it because you've got data doesn't change or shouldn't anyway, and you've got literally 2,000 years of texts that are references to it mapping relationships. And and these are perfect tasks for AI, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:12

Because it's a relational database exactly. There there shouldn't be any new information, and the subset of information that you need to go through is bound and limited, right? Yeah, versus a general purpose AI, and that's another thing I've noticed is the the models. So if you just want a general purpose AI, 35 billion parameters, which is the biggest I can really run on this hardware, is not super useful. It's okay for asking quick questions and things like that and so on. But if you go into specialized stuff, like, hey, I want an AI to help me code. So I'm gonna get one that's focused on coding and I want it to focus on this specific language or something like that, which you can find on Huggy Face all over the place. Because you're limiting your data set, it can be a way better model for that. Right. So you local AI at this point, because again, I've got 24 gigabytes of VRAM on this card, which is a lot. It is. Anyway, if you have a focused model that is bound and

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limited, it is very doable to have at home AI on a $300 graphics card.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:44

Yeah, bang for the buck that you got is very good. And the six hundred dollar card, I think, is a sweet spot.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:49

When we were looking for it, but I wanted to try it out for sure, sure, sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:53

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:54

Yeah, the the the currently uh what I have for anyone who's wondering, I have a NVIDIA. Tesla, is it G or P? Hold on. I don't remember.

unknown 1:06:05

P40.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:06

P40. Yeah. There you go. Tesla P40. So this is an old card. It was one of their first actual data center compute cards, right? That was focused on that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:16

Never meant for gaming.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:17

No, not at all. And they're, you know, coming very much to the end of life. You can still do driver support for them in the proprietary Linux drivers that NVIDIA puts out and it works. So I can just stay there. It's cool. You know, I can I can use the old driver for forever and be just fine. But what's cool about it is it was less than 300 bucks, and I have something I can play around with. And if I decide to upgrade in six months or you know, a year or whatever, or it dies, I'm not out anything. So I think for me getting into it and seeing what it's possible, that was the right step. But you knowing the success I have had, there's a $600 newer version of this car, the Tesla V100, that has 32 gigs of VRAM. Yep. For 600 bucks. And yeah, you can run some serious models there. Yeah. Well, I mean now think about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:21

You buy two of them. I buy two of them. Go ahead. I was gonna say when we looked up the speed, and I was comparing it to like what would you get if you got a the latest generation 5090 gaming card, and then you were using that for AI stuff, and that's a 32 gig card as well. Right, but it's way more expensive. Well, it's it's over $2,000 right now for a 32-gig card. Right. So you could get three of these. Right, right. And while the the speed of the 5090 is significantly bigger, the thing that really matters with AI is the amount of VRAM.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:04

Yeah, and the amount of context you can load.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:06

Right. So getting a card that has more memory is actually more important than getting a card that is just faster with the same amount of memory. It depends on what you're doing. I guess if you're doing like video or you know, images, maybe maybe it's different.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:28

So I've played around with some of the image stuff as well, some of the flux models and stuff like that. And it actually is pretty decent. Like it may it may render slower, but it's still going to render, right? So I don't know. I I think I think photorealistic image generation, even at 24 gigabytes of VRAM, is possible. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

Yeah, no, it's it's cool, and I I think we've both talked about it. I've seen now a number of people online predicting the same thing. So I think we're we're on the same page that the data center bubble is going to burst sooner rather than later. Potentially for some data centers, right about the time that the physical data centers actually finished, the bubble's gonna be bursting. Because what what I I don't think that's true for training. Well, okay, fair enough, but how many data centers do we need? And training, they're not gonna make their money back on training, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:36

You know, if they're selling usage to corporation.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:40

I think that's gonna be very difficult. I think they need like these data centers have a have a break-even point of five years or longer, seven years for some of them. So I think if all they're good for is doing large-size training, they're gonna be losing money and we're gonna be able to buy cards from those data centers.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:04

Yeah, but you're never gonna build out even in a like serious home lab, a frontier model, right? These hundreds of billions of parameter models like Claude or Chat GPT and some of these models that are up there, they're never gonna be quite as good.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:24

But what you care about is the end result as a user, not what's in the model. You care about how good of a result does it give me?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. What I think's gonna happen is companies are gonna get tired of paying the bills to the chat GPTs and the clods out there. And what they're going to do is they're gonna go to a hybrid model. So one of the things I can do inside local AI is I can set up an MPC connection or MCP connection, which allows it to go out to the internet. Yeah, and what you do is you run your basic tasks and whatever the model can do locally or on your data center hardware, and then you go to these bigger models only when you need to. Right. So you you say for you know the secretary down here, she doesn't really need it, she can just use the local stuff, but you know, our main programmer, yeah, they're probably gonna need X, Y, and Z, right? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:23

And the I guess it depends on what you're doing with it too, but you know, for most people, all they want is something to organize their their data, their thoughts that they're putting in there, and and ideally have it be able to talk and do searches on the internet so that it can bring in data that's very recent and not only old data. So if you if you ask AI about the World Cup, it'd be nice if it was up to date on who is winning, who's losing. And not just have results from last year.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:12

Well, and that's the thing is you've got to keep these things up to date.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:15

But I don't think that has to be a part of the model. I think that's just a oh it does, you know, a skill basically or the for a searching ability. Yeah. Maybe. Well, that's what that's what Grok does. It just searches for all this shit in real time.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:34

Yeah, it just still has to be. The AI part of it is the organizational part. Okay, so the the thing

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SPEAKER_04 1:12:40

there is if it's not built into the model, if it's not part of the parameters of the model, then that has to be that takes away from your context, right? And especially if you're doing an exhaustive search of the internet, you're gonna need a lot of VRAM just for the context, right? Anyway, back to our budget discussion. What I would say is for people looking at like a Mac, you know, you can get three of those V100 cards for cheaper than you can get a Mac.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:10

Yeah, did you see Apple jack their prices up?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And here's the other thing 500 bucks. Even if you get a Mac with 128 gigs of memory, yeah, the OS still needs part of that. Yeah. Right. And the the architecture of the unified memory is not as good as pure VRAM. Right, right, right. Just not. Now you have to have a con, you have to have a back end that can support going across multiple cards, but in the Linux world, that's pretty easy. So I don't know. I'm enjoying it. I think it's cool. This little true NAS server that I built out, I just replaced three hard drives in. Well, but these these were drives that had been actively running for six years in my own.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:55

It's too bad that you yeah, and that's why I was asking you why you're bothering moving them. It's too bad that the price of memory is so high that you couldn't afford to just replace them with SSDs.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:06

Sure, but um I'm already saturating my 2.5 gig networks, so what do I care? Like that will be eventually the how do I put it, the the upgrade that I do when prices come back down, right? But yeah, or at least for one of my f VDOs.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:24

It's been almost a year. We're getting close to a year here. It's actually kind of surprising.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:27

Yeah, I I actually bought my PC at the right time, dude, if you think about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:32

Yeah, you bought it late. You if you would have bought it six months sooner, it would have been quite a bit cheaper.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:37

True, but if I was trying to buy that same the same computer now, yeah, that would be even more, yeah, for sure. But anyway, you know, this TrueNAS build-out that I've done, I I've really, you know, I I liked TrueNAS, the old school version that was based off BSD, but I went with scale because of it's where they're developing, it's what they're putting their heart and love into, and it just was the right call. But having the application side and the container side make it a very nice little server to have around, right? Because I can run full-on VMs, I can run containers, I can run their app ecosystem, and it's just it's nice, it's great. You know, I've got my I've got a Plex server running on here, right? I've got a tail scale endpoint running on here. I've I've got a lot of nice features on here, yeah, that give me a lot of flexibility. So, and I did it on the cheap. So there you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's good. And I I think you getting the AI stuff going is was very good as well. Because you know, without you running in on Linux, all I have is Duran talking to me about the Mac stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:55

Right. And you can run AI on Windows as well, right? There's llama clients for Windows and so on. But the way the inefficiencies you get in Windows really kind of tend to gum things up as well. And I I would say Mac OS is much the same, right? Because if you're running a container on Mac OS, you know, a container, you're probably okay, but a VM, like passing through the GPU to the actual hardware calls and stuff like that, especially on Windows, really not going to happen, right? The other thing I like is the way the app works on here is I can split the GPU between local AI, and when I'm not when local AI isn't using it, I can give it priority. But when it's not using it, if someone's watching something on Plex and transcoding, it can use the GPU instead of the CPU. So that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:48

That's good. Very good stuff. You know, I'm scrolling here. I think we lost some of our notes here because Yeah, because you said it to a week. I said it to one week. Well, and I said it to a week. This is why I said it needs to be two. I know, but that see that encourages us to do a show weekly, though. If it was two, it'd be too easy just to drag things out. It's the price we pay.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:16

Yeah, so have you been watching the hearings around Charlie Kirk's killer?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:22

No, I haven't. I haven't didn't see Erica's talking about it, her comments. I I really haven't been following that at all.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:30

Yeah, well, there's already some interesting holes in the state story. Like the this Utah police officer who's walking around who claims certain things about Robinson, his body cam battery died right as he was moving to the on the roof.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:50

That always happens, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:52

Just magical.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:53

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:53

Yeah.

unknown 1:17:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:55

Yeah. My my my uh take on on police officer cameras is that it's good that we we have them because it shows just how much bad shit cops do. But also the rules are way too lax. Like they're it's way too easy for a cop to turn off the microphone anytime they want to. And it's not listen, they should not never be able to turn off the mic.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:19

They should not be able to the bathroom. They should not be able to take turn off the microphone. No. And they should not be able to turn off the camera. Nope. Like you you have to dock it to turn it off, right? Yeah, yeah. But what should happen is okay, if there's anything that the police department wants to censor before they send it out, yeah, then they have to have someone review the footage and make an active censorship decision, and we need to know who that is, and there needs to be a statement as to exactly why it was censored.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:49

The the way that a lot of police departments actually have, or certainly state agencies, is they say that before a camera can be deactivated, the reason for the deactivation has to be stated clearly by the police officer into the microphone saying, I'm about to deactivate my camera because I'm entering a restroom. Something like that. I've never once seen a video that shows a cop prior to deactivating a camera saying anything. Like that rule exists and nobody enforces it. Everybody just considers it like it's totally up to the cop to do whatever he wants with that. I would make if if I was running a city, I would put a policy in place or or a law, which is better than a policy, that says that policemen will earn their pay based on the camera recordings. Camera off, guess what? You're off the clock. You're not making bank. You're not making any money if the camera isn't running. And that would get cops to keep their cameras magically on all the time. There's nothing better than financial motivations to get people to act a certain way.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:02

Yeah, your your paycheck, how we decide how many hours to pay you for is.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:07

Yeah, everybody's hourly, and the proof of you actually working is your camera. End of story. And I obviously all the police unions would be totally opposed to shit like that because they're all corrupt as fuck.

unknown 1:20:19

Indeed.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:20

Well, then again, I would just get rid of unions. Unions are should be an illegal thing. It's ridiculous that some special group of people or some group of people can have special privileges that other groups of people don't have.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:34

It's just retarded. You want to bargain together?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:42

You can bargain together. It doesn't mean that you get to decide who I fire.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:48

Yeah. So did you see the uh video that the NY Strong put

Body Cams Union Power And Trust

SPEAKER_04 1:20:55

out that I sent?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:56

What what was on there?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:58

Talking about black boomers dying off.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:01

No, didn't see it.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:03

So he made the point that the white boomers are kind of the worst, right? And the black boomers are kind of the best, and the younger generation sucked. It was a very interesting take. It's worth looking at.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:18

Interesting. So, and like is he using the traditional definition of boomer or the modern definition of boomer? Traditional. Okay. So, like actually people in their 70s, 80s, 90s. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, because there's old black men, they were the heads of the family, they were religious, and they weren't afraid to use the stick. Or the the not a stick, but uh what am I thinking of a uh a rod. They weren't afraid of using the rod to discipline children. So when they got replaced in the black family by the government, by the liberals, and then put in prison instead, you know, there's nobody to teach black children how to act like civilized humans. And so what ends up happening is we see what we see on YouTube videos all day long of how these younger blacks are acting.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:28

Do you want to talk a little bit? Let's talk about the song Elon Musk posted.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:34

Oh, the the AI video one?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:38

Okay. I mean, it was I thought it was pretty good. I don't know that I have too much to say on it.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:44

Well, did you catch all the QAnon references? No. Where we go one we go all literally said like lots of things. Really? No, that totally missed all that. Tons of QAnon references. It's really uh it's the you know, quantum divide, uh, you know, can America be saved? We're at a turning point, messaging.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:05

Yeah, the quantum divide thing I didn't really understand. I was like, what the fuck is that talking about?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:09

So it's multiverse theory, right? So she's coming from a universe where America failed. And literally the only one who goes through the portal to presumably our universe is Trump. And there's uh just a ton of I've watched it a few times, as you can tell. Yeah, there's a ton of symbolism in there, a ton of you know, it's it's uh it's based off of Sweetland of Liberty in a lot of ways, right? And it's really all about choices, and the imagery is all about choices, it's it's really showing 1950s America, yeah, and then modern America and interposing,

Elon AI Music Video And Q Symbols

SPEAKER_04 1:23:45

and you know, where do you want to be America is the central question of it. And but I thought the QAnon references were really like huh. Interesting that he's going into this.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:00

Yeah, I didn't get that at all, so that's interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:03

Yeah, you you go go back and re-listen to it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:06

Well, pay attention to it. I mean, to me, nor was I. The whole, like, you know, it's all part of the plan and just wait for shit to happen around you. It never made any sense. I'm like, dude, if you don't act, you're not gonna get change. You gotta act. You can't just sit back and wait for somebody else to do something. That was always the problem I had with QAnon. I mean, I probably agree on most things with like actual desires or interests with Q people, but I never liked that attitude. It always seemed like it was a a psyop to me because it got people to just wait for somebody else to do something on their behalf.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:53

Yeah, so the one of the lines in the song is so come on, brothers, sisters, stand up tall, because guess what? Where we go one, we go all.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:06

I don't think that's exclusive to QAnon, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:10

The the QAnon saying was where we go one, we go all. That's not that's way older than QAnon. Okay, I'm just telling you, it's it's it's a link. It's 100% a link. Okay. Anyway, the other imagery was Washington, Nixon, JFK, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Biden looking feeble, Reagan, GW, Obama, Washington again, and then Trump facing all the others, and then turning and walking into the portal holding a red folder up high. Like you really need to go look at the imagery and pay attention to the imagery. Like, don't play it at two and a half times speed, just pay attention. How do you know that's what I would do? Because I know you, dude. Uh-huh. But but anyway, it it's it's I thought it was good, but I sent it to some I sent it to a bunch of people, and I was surprised at how many people like I can't listen to this, I can't watch this. Like, I thought that was an odd reaction.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:11

Yeah. Yeah, interesting. I I don't know. I uh I again that that was my take on QAnon, was what I just said. I didn't really have a whole lot more than that. And then a guy that I did a podcast with for a while claims to have been one of the people originally that website that I can't remember the name of. 4chan. Yeah, but it was even it was like split off 4chan. But it it was 8chan. No, no, no, no. I I can't remember. But anyway, it was like something awful or horrible something, or I don't know. Where like they came up with that shit, and he had a lot of a lot of old docs to show what they were doing. And it it would seem like honestly, I thought it was neither. Neither what the QAnon people believed, nor what the people claiming that they came up with QAnon was. I always just thought it was a very good status quo liberal psy-up to basically get conservatives to utilize their weakness against them, which is the fact that they believe in things that are unprovable. You know, religion. So if you want to leverage religion against somebody who actually believes and isn't just giving lip service, then this is what you would do is create a QAnon type movement that encourages people to just trust and believe without doing something themselves.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:56

So it in the end I think it was a a very negative movement in the Conservative side of politics. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:03

Did you want to talk about the debate that you posted? I forget who I was involved. It was that one goth guy, the anime avatar guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:13

Well, yeah, so I I kind of posted that sent to uh you and a few other folks as like this is the this is this is the new face of conservatism, which is hilarious, which is a goth dude with a white face, a cartoon anime character, and then I mean the other guy at least looks normal, but he he's he was a gamer. But like this is what is some of the biggest audience draw on Twitch. This is what the youth, quote unquote, is watching and live streaming these days, more and more so. And this is in my mind, it's like

Slavery Argument Twitch Politics And UK Chaos

SPEAKER_01 1:28:55

this is like the antidote to the Nick Quentis types who are also getting huge audiences because this is more traditional conservative.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:04

There are a couple times here in the last few weeks, and it's kind of made some sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:09

I I posted actually a reply to one of his videos said, I swear to God, Nick has a twin brother who occasionally comes on and makes sense. Because it's like, how can you just be this? Can you just be this guy? And then, you know, he would get massive support from everybody. Nope, he's got to go back to his other crazy Jews are responsible for everything side. I think I think at some point he's gonna frankly turn away from that mostly because he doesn't want to be on the same side as Tucker Carlson. I think that's Tucker's gonna drive further away from anti-Semitism. But anyway, so this particular clip that I sent you is Next Noor, who's the enemy dude, talking about slavery and how slavery is more moral and ethical than mass migration. And really, I mean, it is it it's slightly bending the definition of slavery.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:15

He's really talking about indentured exactly. He's talking more about indentured servitude, but as which the the I am not a free person if I do not have the right to sell myself into slavery, not my kids, not my progenitors, yeah, but myself.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:33

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And and that's exactly it. I've always made that argument when talking about slavery, is that the concept of slavery can only exist in the free society.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:48

And racial slavery is morally wrong. In enslaving any group of people, it's easier to tell them apart, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:56

Come on.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:57

What's that?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:58

It's just easier. We can tell them apart if it's based on color.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:02

Right, right. But I'm just saying, based off of okay, yeah, but I'm making a moral distinction here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is a moral distinction that enslaving someone based off of a mutable characteristic is wrong. However, indentured servitude, whether it be for penance for a crime, or I hey, I need to get to the colonies and I'm gonna sell myself as an indentured servant for 10 years to pay for it. That and that happened in America. That was the way things were, until a black man made a legal argument that he could own what was a white man. Yep. Right? That his contract was for life.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:43

Yep. Yeah, and and it's a I I think there the two aspects of slavery that I don't I don't like is the the ownership of the offspring of the slave, right? That's that gets into a moral area where it's really hard to justify, like owning somebody's children.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:08

And the reason there is because the children didn't have a voice.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:11

Yeah, they didn't they never signed a contract.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:13

No, you could argue that I could say you own my children until they reach the age of majority and become adults. Yeah, and at which point then they are they're freed.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:24

But you still have to have some conditions on that, like because I think parents, children, yeah, yeah. But I but uh but that's the thing, right? Is I don't think it's automatic that if you get a slave who has slaves themselves, that now you just subvert that relationship and you become the slave owner of the whole batch of slaves. Like I totally could see from a legal standpoint where you can have a slave who has other slaves. Sure. And you don't like you that's there's certain things you can't do with a slave, and that is to then you know subvert his other contractual obligations.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:11

Or you and you typically wouldn't gain his possessions, that would be exactly that's a good way of putting it.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:20

It's like you you may get the slave, you don't get the possessions of the family of the slave, even if he's the head of the household.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:27

What they were really talking about wasn't slavery, it was really indentured servitude.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:30

Indentured servitude. But but they're using the word slavery because that's the word that was used in the Bible. That's that a lot of the conversation was centered around is biblical slavery. And so, you know, that I I think that the fact that this is now happening on a very popular podcast, I mean it's video podcast, right? It's streamed. I don't even know if they have a version on audio because things that are called podcasts these days are all over the place.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:03

Yes, agreed. Adam Curry would not agree with the definition, but that's you know what?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:08

Actually, he does. I've asked him about that because I kind of was getting pissed off at people's calling things that in my mind were not podcasts because you couldn't download them, but it has to have an RSS feed, right? Right. And I asked him about that, and he's like, I I don't care. I don't care. So Adam actually does not have a dogmatic position on this. He's okay with podcasts being things that don't necessarily have an RSS feed anymore. I yeah, I like literally asked him about that topic, but but either way, the fact that this conversation is happening, that the word slave is being used, that you've got I mean, you look at the image of those three guys, I'd say two out of the three are extremely white.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:52

Well, I mean, how how would you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:54

I mean, they're painted white.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:57

Well, one's an anime character, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:00

Right. Well, the anime character is Jewish. I know that. Which really? So I didn't.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:06

Like, this is the first time I've never watched these people before. Like, I've seen clips of the one goth guy occasionally, and I've seen the bald guy on on uh fuck. Unsubscribe.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:19

Yeah, unsubscribe, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they all hang out together, like that's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:24

But I'm like no the anime guy was Jewish, but it's hilarious because he literally is quoting Hitler in some of his contests.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:32

Well, just just because you know he did World War II doesn't mean all his ideas were bad. No, I'm quoting the anime character, that's what he said.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:42

Well, actually, he goes on to say no, uh Hitler by losing really fucked up because he cucked the white race for 50. He did say that. Yep, exactly. Yeah. Now I will I will say though, I will say, when you've been cook kicked out of 109 countries.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:58

Here we go.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:00

You know, I mean, if you smell shit everywhere you go, at some point you check yourself.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:05

That's jealousy, man. That's the that's the main reason everyone's gonna sell it. Everyone's jealous. You know, chosen people, what do you do?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:15

Yeah, well, for that, I will just quote fiddler on the roof. God, I know where you're chosen people, but for once, won't you choose someone else?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:26

Yeah, that that is good. I like that. That was a good one. Well, anyway, the the guy in Whiteface, the goth guy, is Irish. I don't know if you picked up on that either.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:36

No, I didn't.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:37

Okay. So he's actually in Ireland. He's an Irish dude who lives two blocks away from where that that murder happened.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:46

You mean the attempted beheading?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:49

Oh, I thought it was a murder. I was it an attempted beheading. Okay. Yeah, so he's a week and a half ago.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:54

He got yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which by the way, we need to talk about the UK.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:59

Yeah, yeah. The UK isn't an interesting place. And it it I keep shifting where I think they're going based on what I'm watching happening there.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:09

I don't know, man. I've seen way too many fires and firebombings and stuff that the Scots guy running around and stabbing a bunch of Muslims with a traditional Scottish knife.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:20

Here's what I don't like is that the police force that they've got. I mean, I just recently saw a video of a I don't know if you saw this one yet, of a white 20-something younger dude walking, and then a a group of dark-looking migrants, I don't know where they're from, so I'm not discriminating. I'm just saying they all had darker looking skin. So it might have been Africa, but or maybe India, who knows? But they they were yelling at this dude who was basically walking away from them, and then clotheslined him to where he fell to the ground, and as soon as he fell to the ground, somebody started kicking him, and then as soon as he pulled himself back up to stand up to you know, put his arms up to push these guys back to fight him, a policewoman ran at full speed and put her arm against his neck, pushing him against the building to arrest him for fighting. Right. Like literally, he was the only white guy out of a group of about 15 non-white people. And somehow, miraculously, this white policewoman decides that he was clearly the the cause of the trouble here, and he's saying, Those people just attacked me, and you're letting them get away, and and she did, she let him get away. She basically physically restrained him along with other police, as the people that attacked him just walked away from an assault. This is this is where I go, yeah. I this is gonna be a long hard road for the UK because there there needs to be more people. I mean, I've said it before the UK needs a French style revolution. They look they really do. They they need to start taking scalps. Because it you can't you can't say I was just doing my job when your job is what these police people are doing. Your job is protecting rapists.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:40

Did you see what Nigel Farage did?

SPEAKER_01 1:39:44

I haven't actually seen anything from Nigel in a while.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:46

What's the latest? What's in our show notes, but he's resigning from Parliament to force a by-election.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:55

That's good. So it's very interesting, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:00

Yeah. Um interesting move.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:02

He's putting a lot of faith in the people of his district.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:05

Yeah. Well, what's his district? I don't even know what district he's in. What part of England does he represent?

SPEAKER_04 1:40:14

I dude, I would have to Google it. I do know.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:16

I know he was always the most fun guy to listen to during the whole time that England was part of the EU.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:24

Mm-hmm. Well, he was the founder of UKIP, right? So Elon was on Lex Friedman a while back, and he was talking about some of the U.S. And this is something for us to remember, and this is an interesting quote. After World War II, the U.S. could have basically taken over the world in any country. Like, we got nukes. Nobody else has got nukes. We don't even have to lose soldiers. Which country do you want? And one nation held a weapon no other no civilization had ever possessed. A total monopoly on destruction, no rival, no consequences, no limpet. Every empire in history that held that kind of power did only one thing. Empires know to do. They took until there was nothing left to take. America had a greater advantage than all of them combined.

Post War America Empire And Turkey F 35

SPEAKER_04 1:41:20

And rebuilt nations, it just defeated. And you know, I haven't ever thought about it exactly like that, but he makes a hell of a point. And it spin, it speaks greatly to what our national character was and what I hope it still is.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:39

Well, and that's the problem right there. Is we had a liberal president at the time, instead of taking over the world like we should have, we just squandered it and allowed them to fuck off and do their own thing using our money. No. For the entire history of the world, when an empire wins a war, they get the conquered land. Why didn't we get the conquered land? We should have all of Europe from the Russian border until the Spanish border. We should have large chunks of North Africa.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:14

We should have to the demarcation line of where the Russians had Germany and we had Germany and Western Germany.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:22

That would be Berlin. I mean, that was basically the Iron Curtain, right? But uh we should have, I mean, we kind of did have all of Japan for we effectively ran Japan for many years and helped them recoup.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:36

And Japan is a hell of an ally.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:38

Yeah. Well, we say that, but are they though?

SPEAKER_04 1:42:42

Yeah, I think they are.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:44

What have they done for us lately?

SPEAKER_04 1:42:46

They're building up their own navy. They're re-arming.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:49

Well, that's not doing anything for us lately. I mean, what have they done? No, that's doing something for them lately. What have they done for us lately? Well, it's gonna help us in our American tense. I I'm pretty sure I said past tense. For the last 80 years, what have they done?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:05

What's our Toyota that we talked about earlier?

SPEAKER_01 1:43:08

Which isn't built yet. Okay, what have they done? I keep you keep talking pointing to the future, dude. No, what have they?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:14

I'm saying all the manufacturing that they have outsourced to the U.S. Japan since the 80s has outsourced their manufacturing to the U.S. since they started their population decline. More Japanese tech is built in the U.S. than in Japan, quite frankly.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:31

Yeah, true, true. And it's for the U.S. market. They're just getting around tariffs.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:40

Well, they're getting around the shortage of workers.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:44

Sure, they are, but they're they're not making cars in the US to go and sell in Mexico. They're about to be. Well, they might, they might. It'd be pretty cool if they were. But I think Japan was a successful experiment in rejuvenating a country. I don't think it was a successful empirical expansion. And this is the thing that I think we could have absolutely done, and then we should have, in my opinion, but didn't because we had a liberal administration. Well, more can more concerned about limiting our powers as American citizens than they were about expanding the empire.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:28

Well, I think we're going into the expansionist phase at this point. We've already talked about that. Yeah. I think there will be nothing from Greenland to Japan, the first island chain potentially down to Australia and back over that isn't in America's sphere of influence. Like if we really do shift to a multipolar world, which I'm not clear that at this point that that's exactly what's going to happen, but at least those countries and that geography and the islands and so on will be aligned with America, if not a direct province of America.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:09

Well, and this is the thing is I think we need to look at what is best for America in the expansion of the empire and focus on that, not what what is gonna be needed to make people happy, like foreigners. Fuck foreigners. I need to focus on us. America first, goddammit. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:39

What else do you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:43

I don't know, man. I I I feel like there's been a lot of small things going on, but I don't know that there's anything that we haven't generally covered here.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:55

So Trump is opening back up the option, he's flirting with the idea publicly of bringing Turkey back into the F-35 program.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:06

Hmm. I don't like Turkey.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:09

Well, and the problem is Turkey, instead of buying our missile defense systems, bought Russian S-400s.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:16

Well, that's good. We know they don't they don't work, so that's fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:19

Well, well, if you have Turkey being able to point the F-35, you know, have having an F-35 and being able to really tune that system to be able to detect it, eventually they would be able to.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:36

Okay, then they can sell that to Russia and China.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:39

Instead, we're gonna give them our current hardware to sell to Russia and China instead. That's makes no sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:45

Our radar systems is it's different. It's it's allowing Russia and China Russia and China won't have to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:53

I trust Turkey about as far as I can throw them.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:55

Right. My point is we should not sell Turkey the F-35, is my intention.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:59

We shouldn't sell Turkey jacked shit, is what I would say. I until Turkey gets a different government, more in line with the government. Erdogan's gotta go. Yeah, Erdogan has to go. He but he doesn't look like he's going anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:13

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:14

How many presidents has he outsat there?

SPEAKER_00 1:47:18

Quite a few.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:19

Yeah. So this is this is where the Muslim Brotherhood is camped out.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:27

Well, and people need to realize there is there and also in Dallas. Yeah, there are two major Muslim movements in Turkey. The Muslim Brotherhood is the dominant one. The other was the gulanist, right? Fatella Guland, who was exiled to the US. Yeah. And by the way, started like the harmony science academies and things like that. Check your kids' schools if you're going to a charter school and make sure it's not a gulanist school. Yeah. Because not good. But Turkey was a very, very secular country, right? Atatürk was extremely secular.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:00

Yeah, absolutely. The guy that the country is named after, instead of being called the new Ottoman Empire, he was very pro-west.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:10

Mm-hmm. Which is why Turkey's a member of NATO.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:14

Yeah, he he reminded Turkey that they're Europe. So, you know, that was that was a a major component of his life is that Turkey needs to take its rightful place as one of the dominant countries of Europe. And I think they made tremendous progress towards that, and then they ended up getting this guy in office. And you know, I I I don't know, man. I Turkey is a it's always kind of been on the edge of Europe, right? It's always been the gateway to the Middle East. But for a long m for many years, Turkey was actively fighting Europe. And in fact, you could make an argument that that a good portion of Turkey was old European land that was conquered by the Arabs.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:16

Yeah, agreed.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:18

So I don't know. I again this is I'm I'm both optimistic to a certain extent and also not really pessimistic, but just realistic about the the fact that we've got way more growth of Islam happening in America and in Texas in particular than I think anybody ever expected. But also the optimistic portion portion comes from the fact that it feels like a lot more people know about it now and are talking about it than used to. to popular belief is not a religion. Islam is a it's a political system. I don't even need to use like words like cult, but it's it's it's a system of

Islam Politics Paul Debates And Red Letters

SPEAKER_01 1:50:15

of a very controlled life that includes religion, includes politics, includes certain bizarre practices, and and it's all it it's all bundled up together in a ball and it's being exported to the US where it's being treated as though it's just a religion. You look at New York right now, which elected its first Muslimist mayor and if you look at every day there are videos showing on X on YouTube showing Muslims being unafraid in the streets talking about how they've conquered New York New York will never return to being part of a non-Muslim control. And they did this with London many years ago. London is an Islamist city. London is not a British city. Not today. And New York arguably is on its way there. If if New York manages to elect a few more Muslims they will never get out of it because Islam is not a religion it's it's a very particular kind of holistic worldview system which includes conquest as one of its main tenets.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:48

Agreed you know it it's interesting because was at church and at Bible study and we were going through and you know Paul saying hey the gospels we have that's it right there is no new stuff. There is no more coming until Christ comes back there will be no new revelations. And then you look at Islam and Mormonism and so on and it was interesting to get everybody's agreement that uh kind of puts that in a different light doesn't it well I mean it it it every religion claims to be the last revelation I shouldn't say every religion all the ones you rattled off claiming to be the last revelation. Later they say it's last revelation Islam last revelation.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:44

But Islam purports to believe in the Bible and believe in Christ as a prophet of God oh sure yeah they just don't believe in Paul but they believe in Christ yeah anyway and this is this is the problem that Christianity has in my opinion is that Christianity has way too much Paulism in it. And if you look at Christianity on the denomination and I guess it depends on yeah but but overall Paul wrote over half the books that are in the the canon in the canon and so what you have is and this was always something that to me seemed weird but you know and I not really a not something that I've spent a huge amount of time worrying about because I'm not Christian or anything but the idea that if you look at Christianity as following what Christ said and did like okay I can see the argument for that but that's kind of like if Christ is and you're not gonna like this analogy but if Christ is Lenin and Paul is Stalin like Stalin never called what would happen before him with Lenin as being different. In practice he made history be rewritten in a way to justify everything he was saying being correct but he and Lenin were not saying the same thing. And here I think you have a a similar thing to where you had basically most of the disciples all coming from the same area they all had well most of them had known Jesus a long time they were with him throughout different stages of his life they they saw the miracles firsthand then you have this guy that isn't even I mean he says he's Jewish but he's not from Israel he's from Tarsus and he just like shows up and says hey I I had the vision I I had this revelation and you know my mission is now to to promote the teachings of Jesus it's it's hard to know without having been there how much of what today is called Christianity is actually Paulism and how much is authentic Christianity well I I think oh god what's the guy's name the Canadian guy Canadian guy Jordan Peterson no the the first Canadian guy I think of yeah yeah no he he does this stuff on the Bible oh yeah yeah yeah I know who you're talking about it's on the tip of my tongue he he would have some good retorts to that I I do not and I don't have my Bible AI loaded up but I don't know that your Bible AI is programmed on that particular topic of like Paulinism versus Christianity. That's a topic that doesn't come up in most church debates.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:02

You know one thing that I don't like about new Bibles a lot of new Bibles don't have red letters anymore.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:11

Brett what do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:56:13

So in my Bible and in every Bible I own Christ's words are in red. So anytime you're reading the Bible you can clearly see what is being written by the author of the book and what is attributed as a quote oh I I've never seen a Bible that had that that's interesting. Oh yeah very common that anyway that's something that bugs me okay so I've got a a little segment here I don't know how many people ended up downloading or trying the recipe that we put out yeah publish that in the show notes.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:47

Right you you you put out a little mini episode though right yes correct yeah yeah so I've got another one Sunday cool I my dad had given me some shrimp that he caught and I decided I wanted some shrimp and grits anyway I made shrimp

Shrimp And Grits Recipe Tease And Wrap

SPEAKER_01 1:57:05

and grits oh that was the tasty looking dish you sent me yeah anyway it it turned out great like it always does and I I had leftovers tonight for dinner so good stuff but kind of a the way I make my shrimp and grits is kind of a mix between a New Orleans style and a South Carolina style so it's kind of a hybrid but it always comes out give me the recipe we'll get it in there get it well I want to hear from the from the listeners if they want it they don't want I don't know now people like recipes okay well we'll I guarantee you we're gonna get at least one message coming in maybe more than one they'll say yes provide the recipe people like recipes we'll we'll we'll see if we do then I will I will say this I've never tried it but the photo you sent looked very appetizing. Do you like grits? I do but I like drier grits I don't like like super soft grits. I like grits to be a little more firm.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:08

Me too like cooked a little less so the grit the grits well you want less liquid is what you want you're still going to cook them the same amount of time but the grits I make you know use chicken stock use milk and heavy cream and then put in a ton of cheese and salt and pepper and it's a good savory grit.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:28

And then making the shrimp you know cooking the shrimp a little bit taking them out starting the andouille and then putting in all the veggies and have you tried shrimp in milk yeah yeah yeah okay it's part of the sauce totally super kosher recipe there by the sound of it no but delicious yeah no it it does sound little bacon bits on top it's perfect perfect no no no then you've got the you've got the crispy and dewy in there that's just as good as bacon yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah pork sausage is usually pretty good i think i think people will want it i mean i'm not a recipe guy like you just describing it like this to me would make me want to just source my own ingredients and kind of do a similar thing but not necessarily following a recipe but I don't most people actually like to see the the you know proportions of ingredients and stuff well and this is something that I have based off of other recipes that I've seen over the years and then just kind of made my own and yeah I like if if if if people want this I'm gonna have to write it down so that's why I want people to tell me that they want it in probably 15 years. Oh man I love I love grits.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:46

There's just so many other things I like that I I don't dislike grits it just kind of falls to the back have you ever had take me back to my childhood when my grandma would make them for me you know yep same thing my grandma used to make them but which in Sally you would think is like well wait a minute isn't that like an American thing so grits is pretty damn universal it has different names in different countries but it's basically poor people food so so you can get something that tastes like grits in in a lot of countries in Europe and and uh South America too and I'm sure that it was brought to the Americans probably by the uh creoles well I mean grits is corn right so you don't have you you have analogs but you don't have the same thing until you get to the new world right yeah yeah but but honestly you can you can make it out of other grains and it'll taste identical I mean it is very similar taste wise okay yeah it's no haven't tried gruel uh it well that's kind of what I was getting to it's like gruel and grits is is very much same thing other than the corn part but it it's it is tasty and I remember back in the late 70s like you could go into any random diner and get grits it was just uh it was it was an American kind of diner food.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:26

I remember getting a plate of grits with like butter on top like melting butter and it was it it is very much childhood memory kind of stuff. For sure you got anything else Ben I know we're kind of hitting the mark here no I'm good I wanna and then the note so I'm traveling later this week for a week so our next episode may be delayed as well but we'll get to it you traveling you you you haven't had to travel for a while now it seems uh well so Guam's kicking back up so we're gonna have to look at that and then that's real travel I'm just traveling to Seattle yeah I'll be in Dallas later this month so okay cool all right well we'll catch you next week I guess all right later