Truck Fixes And Catching Up

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Howdy Ben, how are you today? Howdy Gene, I'm doing alright. Good, good. So we're doing this show a few days later. You said you were working on your car. What's going on?

SPEAKER_04 0:40

Well, yeah. Before we get into that, I do want to say, man, we lost a good one this week.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

And I really talk a lot more about JCD afterwards, but I was gonna check in on you first, man.

SPEAKER_04 0:57

Well, all right. Well, we can we'll wait for JCD then. Yeah, yeah. Heart goes out to the family. No, my windshield washer pump went out. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

I was trying to figure out what pump could you have been referring to.

SPEAKER_04 1:12

Yeah, it's it it not too too terrible bad on the LD F-150s, but you gotta take the headlight out and everything else. But you know, $27 part and a little bit of time and effort and saved myself a couple hundred dollars on repair bill. That's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

Yeah, my uh I have a a leak in the uh the the tube that's hooked up to the pump. So the the pump is basically pumping the windshield fluid under the hood instead of onto the windshield.

SPEAKER_04 1:45

So just tape it up.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

It's it's a leak in a plastic bit, so I'm gonna have to get it replaced. It's not a leak. Why don't you just find the part and replace it? Yeah, yeah, that's that's probably what I'm gonna do. And get around. Do it yourself, man. It's not that I've been busy.

SPEAKER_03 2:02

I'm a busy man, you know, doing things playing video games.

SPEAKER_00 2:08

I mean, some people would call it play, others would call it not play, I guess, but uh, you know. Okay. All right, well, and and nothing too exciting is going on my end, so there's not a whole lot to update. You want to talk about GCD?

SPEAKER_04 2:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I first I I remember like as a kid, because I was I've been a computer enthusiast basically my whole life. Nerd. Yeah, and I I even we had in our house in Idaho, we had a a library, just tremendous amount of bookshelves. And I really wish my parents wouldn't have thrown away my collection of PC

Remembering John C. Dvorak

SPEAKER_04 2:50

magazines that I had. You know, I started reading John in PC Mag way back when, and then you know, I watched '97, '98. Oh God, no, before that. But and then I watched, you know, Cranky Geeks and you know, was a huge fan of tech TV and have followed him, obviously, been listening to Agenda for you know 18 years now.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Did you jump on that bandwagon pretty quick?

SPEAKER_04 3:23

Yeah, I I started because I I listened to daily source code before. So I started I went back and listened to episode one, but I started like in the first 10 episodes. Nice.

unknown 3:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:37

As a broke college student, you know, working working at a computer repair place.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

So yeah, it it's it is interesting because my my memory of JCD is not all that different, even though I'm quite a bit older than you. I remember he had the back page, the last page before the cover, in Mac User magazine back in the 80s. So when I was in, I think high school, maybe even junior high, but for sure in high school, I remember when that magazine showed up and it eventually got merged with or acquired by Mac World, so it hasn't existed for a long time. But originally there was the the first real Mac magazine was Mac User, and like back in the the original black and white little tiny screen Mac days, that was the magazine. And I remember I would always flip John's article first. That would be the first thing I would ever read in that magazine, and then when I would be done reading with it and calling him an idiot and disagreeing with him, then I would start reading the rest of the magazine. Because he was always the guy that was the contrarian, you know, he was the the PC guy with an article in a Mac magazine. He was the guy that would tell you that you know it's never been proven that mice are something that people actually want to use. Yeah, there's no evidence that that people want to use mice. And ironically, there were a lot of people that were agreeing with him because they were trackball advocates.

SPEAKER_04 5:19

But um trackball's still a mouse.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Dude, my mystery.

SPEAKER_04 5:24

I used to game with a trackball. Oh, God.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

I remember I used quite a few trackballs. I still have a trackball on my Mac right now, literally, on my desktop, Mac Mini. The obviously the laptop's got the touchpad, and then on the PC I have a device from the gods for playing video games.

SPEAKER_04 5:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

Yeah, not only that that's where you get the best honey, it's where you get the best mice as well. And I I'm supposed to have the new one coming any day now. They're about ready to ship them out, which is awesome. But anyway, the John was somebody that I always enjoyed, even though I often disagreed with him. Uh, I also watched him on like public television computer shows like Computer Chronicle, I think was one, where he was sometimes a guest. There's a famous video of him talking about the IBM PS2 and how awesome it is, and then completely fumbling the disassembly. He's gonna show off how easy it is to open it up and take out a component and completely fumble that whole thing. And then moving on from that to the tech TV days, where I realized it was the same guy. That was so that was pretty interesting. And I was also watching Leo Laporte quite a bit, and then I found out the story about how the only reason that Leo got into radio was because John basically pushed him into it, and that kind of led to a whole career for Leo. And and then all of a sudden, Adam started talking about how Pot Show had acquired John to be, I can't remember his exact title, but whatever it was, and I was like, Well, that's a stupid move. Why would they do that? That that he's totally the wrong guy for that. Like, what's he know about podcasting? That makes no sense. And to be fair, I think I was right because I don't think John knew a whole lot about podcasting back then. But as we all know now, that was the beginning of a very long and fruitful relationship between Adam and John that generated a tremendous amount of content that we loved and consumed and are very sad to no longer have. Maybe it was on because I got older and wiser, maybe it's because well, it probably isn't because John changed at all, but I found myself agreeing more and more with John as time went on. So the guy that I used to love to kind of make fun of and disagree about his takes on the world turned out to mostly speak the same shit I was thinking later in life. And that was very, very nice because quite often I'd be listening to No Agenda, and then Adam would say something, and I would want to instantly correct him for being wrong, and then John says exactly what I was thinking, so it was like perfect. This I'm I'm glad John is there to keep Adam honest and correct the flaws in his thinking wherever they are. And then after no Jenna was running, I happened to be in San Francisco and I had an opportunity to have dinner with John. And so that was the first time that we'd met in person. Of course, this is somebody that I, you know, had seen or heard or read literally since I was a kid in high school. And so I thought this is You were fanboying. This is gonna be very cool. I've got a ton of questions and things to talk to him about, and then get to the dinner, and John's already sitting there and he's already ordered wine. And then I

Dinner With John And Wine Advice

SPEAKER_00 9:29

start, you know, just kind of casual chit-chat conversation, and I notice there's zero eye contact. Like the guy is just looking at his plate, and I'm thinking, that's really weird. I can't I can't imagine a guy that's been in so many things being you know, being an introvert, being like not really being shy. That's probably the best way to describe it. But that's exactly what I saw in person is that John when not speaking from a stage when he didn't have a microphone, he wasn't being, you know, talking to a camera when he when there was an actual human across from him was actually very shy. And I thought that was very interesting. And it, you know, we didn't last for too long. It was probably but longer than most people, it's probably about 15 minutes of mostly me talking and trying to get him to talk and you know asking questions and trying to get him excited about something, and it wasn't until I I started talking about the wine at which point John's eyes lit up and he made eye contact, and then that from that point on, it was just like normal conversation that you and I are having for the rest of that dinner, and it it it was it was definitely I think a moment of where maybe to John at that point I became a person and not a brother. Here's another fan that wants to have dinner with me. And I mean, I was certainly a fan, but I I've never been like a I don't think anybody who I've been a fan of would ever call me a fan because I tend to have critiques. So, you know, I'm I'm on that side of fandom. I'm just like, yeah, I love you, but here's what you're saying that's wrong. But yeah, it was weird, man. It it was it was the most kind of like hyper introverted type interaction that I've had, probably in the top five of my entire life. But way, way more people are that would call themselves introverts actually act less introverted than than what I saw with John. And then the next time that I met up with him, and there was a couple occasions, like in an art show and a few other places where you know he was very normal. At that point, he knew who I was, and I I think it was you know, I I was just like no longer this unknown person that that he's gotta talk to. At that point, it it was more of a sarcastic kind of conversation. But John from that point on really became my wine guy, and and what I mean by that is and I don't drink anymore, people know this on the podcast, but I I haven't had a drink in six years now. But when I was drinking, and I I've been a fan of not cheap forms of alcohol. So I I'm a big port guy, I still own quite a bit of port, even though I don't drink anymore. Vintage port, like 30 plus year old port, stuff that's selling for at this point hundreds, if not thousands of dollars a bottle. And it is the stuff that was selling for hundreds of dollars, actually, when it was brand new. Also, of a particular whiskey or a few whiskeys that that are also very rare. And it's not that I like expensive shit, it's that the stuff that I like in a blind taste test tends to turn out to be the most expensive shit. And I wish that was not the case. Honestly, I wish that was not the case, and it's not the case with beer, incidentally. Like I'm perfectly content drinking a corona. Because to me, all beer is not very tasty. So if I'm forced to drink a beer, there's no point in spending much money on it, so I'll just drink a corona. But for other types of alcohol, that's not the case. And so when I was looking at Bordeaux, when I was looking at you know, something that's a little more exotic from Italy, not a Chiante, but something that's a little more rare, I would always send a picture of the label to John and say, buy no buy. And then usually I wouldn't just get a one-word reply, I would get like a paragraph from John talking about that particular wine and where his thoughts were in terms of value and whether like it's worth buying at Costco, but don't ever order this at a restaurant kind of thing. So interestingly, I didn't talk on the phone. I don't think I talked on the phone once to John. I think it was either in person or via text message. But as much as John always said on the no agenda and liked to joke, well, I think he was joking, but maybe people thought he wasn't joking, that he keeps his phone in the drawer. The reality is, very rarely did I ever text John at some random time, either from a restaurant or from a liquor store, that I didn't get a reply back within about five minutes.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

So he definitely was using a Google voice number, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Well, whatever he was using, he was replying to it. I mean, I use a Google voice number too, but uh yeah, but he was definitely replying to it.

SPEAKER_04 15:20

So by the way, if anyone has a torrent of all you know, all the shows, like I if I can find one torrent on the other.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

There is there was an official torrent.

SPEAKER_04 15:31

There used to be, yeah, but it's I can't I have been looking for it and I can't seem to find it. So if anyone has that, let me know. But no, yeah, it's a it's a it's sad. Interested to see how they're gonna keep it alive or what they're gonna do. I think Mimi will be in for a little while. But yeah, did you listen to the last show? I did, but not the not six hours of it. Yeah, I'm I'm a little over halfway through. It's a long donation segment. Yeah, but yeah, lots of people loved him and came in for him. You know, they had like 750 donations last show and you know, over 4,500 people listening live.

SPEAKER_00 16:14

So yeah, which is I mean, it's it it does say a lot about what people thought of John, and I think whatever happens next, and I and certainly I I think Adam's got some plans for what happens next. I think for a lot of folks, the this is definitely the end of an era. You know, John is not a replaceable character. John is very much somebody that that uh he was absolutely 50% of the show. There's no two ways about it. Yeah, and he may have talked less, but he was definitely 50%.

SPEAKER_04 16:55

There's no stepping into those shoes. It's it will be different, but you know, uh I I hope they can figure something out.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

Well, I know Darren O'Neill is pitching his hat in the ring, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_04 17:08

Well, I I was even thinking, you know, Adam could have rotating co-hosts or something, even, you know.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Well, it it sounds interesting, but it's actually more work than having one co-host. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, it's it it's interesting.

SPEAKER_04 17:24

This is gonna be a technology heavy podcast, just FYI.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

Oh, are you planning on breaking something?

SPEAKER_04 17:30

No, no, no. I uh it I've got just a few topics.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

Oh, okay. Topic-wise, got it, got it. I thought you were like actual tech that you're using. Okay, well, I've got I've got a few things here as well, but we can jump into whatever you want.

SPEAKER_04 17:46

But before we move on, in honor of JCD, I have a tip of the day. All right, there you go. So, like I said at the beginning, I've been working on my truck some, and you know, OBD2 ports have been around for forever, and readers have been for around forever. But look at the link I put

OBD2 Tools And DIY Repair Math

SPEAKER_04 18:04

in the show notes so you can see what I'm seeing. So I've been watching a lot of car content lately, and one of the guys that I watch on YouTube, he was pitching this one, and I looked into it, and it's pretty cool. It's called MuCar, M-U-C-A-R, and it's the BT200 Max. Yeah, $79. But it's that's about what I paid for my last one. It's a Bluetooth OBD2 reader, but it's not just a reader, it'll do diagnostics and all that. There's no subscriptions, you can clear codes, you can do all that free lifetime updates for 79 bucks.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

So I mean, I don't want to poo-poo this, but I'm gonna be John here and say the one I got about five years ago does all that right now as well.

SPEAKER_04 18:51

Yeah, and if you if you have one, then cool. I don't have one, so it's a cool I'm adding to my arsenal. Yeah, yeah. And you know, it seems to be a pretty good one. Yeah, and you can leave it plugged in all the time. Yeah, yeah, but you can also do injection with this one, so you can it it sits actually on the CAN bus and you can do injection stuff and everything else. And there's even some modders who have used this one for various things because again, you do have that CAM bus control. So I thought it was pretty neat and for a reasonable price.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

Yeah, it's not bad, but there are plenty of them on Amazon that are right around that price point. Or yeah, let me let's trade.

SPEAKER_04 19:30

This one has community has a community expert with AI intelligent guides to work you through diagnostics.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Ooh, AI intelligence, that's exactly what you want in your car. Oh brother. So the the one I had was so I think 79 bucks as well, but that was five years ago, which means it's probably like 150 now. Yeah. Because uh lately, all the shit that I looked the price up is more than what I paid for it years ago.

SPEAKER_04 20:01

Well, I'll give you an example of that. We're doing work for an entity over in Guam, and we gave them budgetary pricing for hardware of 300 some odd thousand for their servers that they were gonna need. Yep. It's two months later, we just re-quoted. How much do you think now?

SPEAKER_00 20:18

How much was the original?

SPEAKER_04 20:20

350k.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

So probably 480?

Hardware Price Shocks And Xeon Hype

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Over 550. Jesus. In two months.

SPEAKER_04 20:28

In two months.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:30

So much, no inflation. It well, it's not inflation, it's the RAM and actually C are starting to be it's manufacturers that are about to get their asses sued off, is what I think.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

But yeah, inflation is when there is more money than product.

SPEAKER_04 20:49

Yeah, yeah, there's more demand, sure. But it's it it's I I get your thought there, but it's not the general consumer basket of goods, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:01

So I don't know, man. Computer gear these days, I think, is the consumer basket of goods. Yeah, there's not much you could buy that doesn't have a computer in it.

SPEAKER_04 21:09

Speaking of, have you looked at Intel's new Xeon 6000 series? Yeah, I watched a video on it. I if I hadn't just bought a computer, do you have the bug now? Dude, that's a lot of PCIe. It is, yeah, and it's overclockable. Like, this is a Xeon chip that gamers can use because there are workstation boards for it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

It's uh there's one guy that showed off putting so you could buy a board that has two of them on one board, and then he put in four of those into a computer. So he's got eight of those chips running basically in parallel.

SPEAKER_04 21:53

Yeah, pretty cool. Well, the Xeon platform has been for a long time, you know, their their architecture is very multi-CPU, but hell, the memory controller on one of these can do eight lanes of DDR5 at full speed. Yep. At 6,400 megatransfers per second. Like wow. Yeah, no, it's the fact that they have uh unlocked overclockable chips, yeah. Like move over like thread rippers out of pretty much anyone's. Budget. This is within a reasonable. Way cheaper. Way cheaper. Yeah. But it's got a shit ton of cores, lot uh not just efficiency cores, but performance cores, which is a difference between Intel and AMD. Like I I seriously think you could build a hell of a gaming rig out of it.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

Well, we'll see.

SPEAKER_04 22:43

We'll see what people on the definitely a hell of an AI rig since you can put in like what I think people are looking at with gigabytes board. You can put in four GPUs on that sucker. Yeah. Yeah. All running at PCI Gen 5.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

No problem. Yeah, I think I think that will be used mostly for the AI stuff.

SPEAKER_04 23:07

So I guess. So part of the reason why we're a little late on the podcast this week, A, you cheated on me, but that's neither here.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

I did, didn't I?

SPEAKER_04 23:17

Yeah. Yeah. I haven't even listened to the episode.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

Oh, you should listen. It's great. Yeah. I threw you on the back of the page.

SPEAKER_04 23:26

But uh, hopefully he hopefully he gives us a good retweet.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

You know, it's uh yeah, but get some fresh people listening.

SPEAKER_04 23:35

Yeah, but uh my city council, I w I watched a city council meeting because they were covering the flock camera installation in Brian College Station. And now you were poo-pooing this about oh, it's just a camera system and all this. But it's not. I'm sorry. The the way Flock is the dystopian Panopticon no one wanted,

Flock Cameras And The Surveillance Business

SPEAKER_04 24:00

and they are they have done it very cheaply and effectively, and it is all over. And I would encourage anyone who's interested in this to look up D Flock and your city. We have a group here. There's the D Flock app that's available on Android and iOS that'll let you navigate around them, let you know where direction they're pointed, all those sorts of things.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

Well, there's also a video that I I watched, and I I think I put it in a regular group of a guy who was used to work for Flock talking about how to take these things down.

SPEAKER_04 24:35

Well, they're very easy to take down, but you know, not that we're condoning vandalism. Well, it's only a class C misdemeanor.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

They they're easy, but they they actually keep working after you take it down. Right.

SPEAKER_04 24:50

What but you know, here's what I think would be interesting, because all of these are solar powered, right? It's just on a pole, solar powered, and has a cell connection. Yep. It would be really interesting just to see how they would have to respond if someone, you know, theoretically took a drone and put a little bit of spray paint on the on the solar panel because you know you wouldn't want to cover it fully, so it's obvious that the solar panel just stopped working. Why but you use a drone seagull? Right, but you could if you did it partially, it would eventually drain down and not be functional. And then they got to roll a truck, get up there. They do. That's exactly what they do. They they roll a truck. Could make it kind of expensive for them. Yeah, yeah. But in Houston, we've had a lot of flock cameras cut down. Yeah, yeah. You know, people are not happy with this at all. And it was really interesting because there were only two pro-flock citizens and the complete roster of the rest, both liberal and conservative, everyone. And someone even remarked, this is uniting the far right and the far left. You maybe you want to pay attention, but our effectless city council is getting paid off or something.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

But uh Yeah, that's that's exactly what's going on.

SPEAKER_04 26:11

I'm voting for anyone but the incumbents this year.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to do it. Yeah, the the flock. So this guy was talking about how their their plan was basically to just a copy Uber, which is you put these things in as many places as cheaply as possible to have that you know top position when it comes to surveillance. Because they know if they don't do it, then somebody else will. And so their their whole plan is you use a bunch of outsource workers to put these things in. They're made to to basically just be stuck on a pole virtually anywhere, and then the only thing the guy has to do is just point the tilt of the antenna a little bit to the south, and that's that's literally it. Another one. Well, it runs on the cell. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

Uh uh, so one one one of the things that I think is so draconian about this is that Flock's cybersecurity has been total trash. And the Flock representative that was at the council meeting tried to say, Oh, well, the guy who's reporting that's just a YouTuber and this, that, and the other. Fuck you, dude. Like y'all left APIs exposed and people could do whatever the hell they want. And then our cocksucker of a chief of police here in town was saying, oh, well, this is only a license plate reader. No, dude. No, it is not just a license plate reader. That may be the only feature you have enabled, but it's certainly not a just a license plate reader. And it's a feature, it's not a licensing thing. It is not a form of the camera. And the other fucking thing that pissed me off is you had city council members sitting there going, well, but if it only stops one crime, if it only saves one child, fuck you. My rights and you surveilling me is not okay. And again, not advocating for vandalism of the use. But as long as you don't destroy the camera, no, what I would advocate for is lawsuits.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

People need to start suing their cities. That's what it comes down to. There's just not enough lawsuits right now. Yeah, we need more lawsuits for people like protesting is what socialists do. Capitalists sue. Because the lawsuit will take up way more time. A lawsuit will take way more time, way more money, and will make the city think twice about anything they do, way more than a bunch of 20, you know, or 30 people showing up to a protest. Protests don't change things, lawsuits change things. Yeah, that would be my advice. Start suing because the cameras are very generic. They can run license plate reading software or face recognition software, or looking for black people software, or looking for anything. I mean, it really doesn't matter. They could be used to let's say, in fact, I know there's one that was I'm sure it's not the only one, but there's one that was right in front of a mosque that the mosque paid for for flock to put in. Yeah, we have apartment buildings, because they're looking for dogs, dogs are evil and should be killed, right? Yeah, haram. According to Islam, and so their cameras are looking for dogs. Well, flock doesn't care who these cameras are, you know, spying for. They care about the fact that they get to bill every month because nobody owns the flock camera, it's owned by the corporation. You're only paying for data that you receive off the camera. So what happens here is the city gives Flock an exclusive permission right to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_04 30:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like your data. So for instance, City of College Station only keeps data for 30 days. Cool. Flock doesn't correct. And can use it for whatever purposes they want. And right now, Flock says their policy is this, but they can change that policy at any time.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

Yeah, there it's a private company deciding how they use the video. And that this is where the trick comes in, and this is where I think the lawsuits need to start looking at.

SPEAKER_04 30:28

The FOIA exemptions that have been done on this where people FOIA data, and the city council goes, Well, that's no, it's not public record, it's it's proprietary data. We're just a subscriber to it.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Yep. Exactly. So that this is the sort of stuff that people need to go after. It's not it's not gonna like spray painting the camera. Spray painting the cameras results in the city just having a higher bill from Flock for that month for repairs. That's it. Well, it's it doesn't change anything.

SPEAKER_04 31:03

Download the deflock app, get involved, say no.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Yeah, and I think the this comes in through your government. This the only way this is gonna leave is through your government. It's not gonna leave by any other means because what they're doing is they they found a nice little it's uh it's not even a loophole, it's just they found a way to leverage government to create something for free. What they're doing is the exact same thing that Amazon did, but in reverse. Amazon sold a product that has the functionality of surveillance tracking and a rebroadcast of a Wi-Fi signal. They sold that product to private citizens to put into their own home. Oh, and by the way, here's the 27-page agreement that you have to agree to in order to use the product that allows Amazon to do anything they want with this, including stealing your bandwidth. And then, you know, now that all these things are in, now Amazon can start selling the data to all kinds of entities, and they can provide police access, whether you want this or not, whether you agree to it or not, Amazon, by their policy, by their agreement you signed, can provide data from your ring camera to the police.

SPEAKER_04 32:24

There's opt-in and opt-out functionality on some of those. Part of the reason why I didn't go with a ring doorbell camera is because I did not want to opt in. You're opted in by default with ring, you have to go and opt out. But the blink system that I use uh does not have that. It's part of the integrated. Yeah. Yeah, it's so it's more likely a technological issue. Tim Burchett just introduced uh deuced a bill calling to ban all-flock cameras nationwide.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

Yeah, which is good. It's not gonna happen because any bill targeting a single company in the United States is automatically gonna end up thrown out in court. Yeah, the US government cannot target a single company. Just saying. Anyway, I think surveillance was inevitable, and I think fighting it is definitely a good thing. But also anybody that thought we weren't gonna get to this point hasn't been reading enough science fiction books. Oh, absolutely. But I don't want to live in those dystopian realities. Did you watch just let's quickly change topic to something fun? Did you watch the uh the the last SpaceX launch here? The uh I did not, but I saw that they had a delay. Why? No, no, no, yeah, they had a delay. You need to watch the launch was fine. There's a lot of very pretty high resolution. I think they've got 4K cameras running, and nothing was dropping signal. Okay, it was absolutely beautiful. You can watch, they have cameras

SpaceX Starship Landing Done Right

SPEAKER_00 34:03

inside the engine bay, which is awesome. So you can actually see how do those survive, right? I know.

SPEAKER_04 34:10

And by the way, before we get too far from flock, just to be clear, a lot of cities are having vandalism of the cameras, and then also LA just canceled their flock contract. I forgot that.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

Well, LA also is under budget or over budget, so that's not surprising. But anyway, it's it it is one of the prettiest like daytime, sunshining, perfect flights that I've seen them do. This particular flight also was a test of pushing the the bounds of stress, stress limits. So they they were flying with the engines running at max power for longer. Uh they were putting more stresses on every component as a result of that. They hit max Q at a higher pressure. So everything was basically designed to see if the ship would break up.

SPEAKER_02 35:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:05

And the and it was a full starship, right? So it had the the booster and the actual ship itself, the top part. And the booster came back and it was a water landing, and they're gonna recover it and check it out. But it was a water landing, and it it had almost half its engines failed at the last minute. So they're gonna have to figure out what what the cause of that was. Although I again it could have been water, could have been the cause, because it's doing a water landing, but you don't know. But it what totally redeemed this whole flight, which was insanely good, is the the starship itself performed a water landing in the Indian Ocean that was absolutely picture perfect. It slowed down and hovered at about a foot above the water, and then ever so gently laid down on its side. Nothing sank, nothing blew up. All the cameras aboard the ship were still work uh working, even though it was tipped over in the water. So you could see like images of of the camera dipping underwater and then popping back up. I mean, it is nothing was damaged, like it was a picture perfect landing, absolutely beautiful. So Elon said that the next starship they're gonna try and catch with the chopsticks. Yeah, cool. Because they've done the booster now several times, but they haven't done the starship yet. So now they're gonna do a catch of the starship as well, or attempt to at least. And if it flies as cleanly as it did this time around, I think it'll definitely come in perfectly for landing. It it was I've never seen a landing this clean ever. Like there was basically no wave generated from this thing. That's how clean it was. Wow, it it just sat down and slowly laid sideways into the water. It was amazing. So definitely check that out. The other part of it, and this you have to kind of fast forward through, about 10 minutes before the landing, when it's coming in for re-entry, there was a camera that you could actually see the plasma on the heat shield on. So they're they're fill they're filming the plasma being generated on the heat shield with a frickin' camera. And I it was just absolutely beautiful. Again, it's it's the kind of stuff that uh I'd want on a screensaver.

SPEAKER_04 37:57

Okay, I'll have to check it out.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

Yeah, it was it's a beautiful flight.

SPEAKER_04 38:01

Do you want to talk about Hendrix or Tate? Well, yeah, let's talk about Tate, sure. So the Tate brothers got arrested on an extradition warrant. In Florida? Yep, on an extradition warrant from the UK on very dubious bullshit charges. And I'm not a big fan of the Tate brothers.

SPEAKER_00 38:24

Yeah, I'm not either. I I there's occasional stuff that they'll say which I'll agree with,

Tate Brothers Extradition And Sovereignty

SPEAKER_00 38:30

but they just come across as gay douchebags, frankly. They come across as pimps.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

But like I said, gay douchebags. But they also speak some truth every now and then. Uh-huh. And, you know, it's ironic to me that the first Muslim quote unquote rapist the UK goes after is them, right? Right.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 38:58

So I don't know. It'll be interesting to see if the Trump admin actually extradites them or not.

SPEAKER_00 39:03

Yeah, and that's really the bigger question, I think, for us as Americans is like, well, not whether or not they're guilty, but whether or not, knowing what we know about the UK, whether or not we extradite somebody who is an American citizen. Yeah. Because their dad was an American. So like it or not, they're Americans.

SPEAKER_04 39:51

Well, I I I would hope that they would not, but we'll have to see. Yeah. What and it's up to Rubio, right? So Yeah, which probably means we're not gonna extradite them. We'll see. It it's a good test of his presidential candidacy, I'll put it that way.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

Yeah, yeah. But he's no fan of the UK.

SPEAKER_04 40:11

But I don't think he's a fan of the Tate Brothers.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

I don't, yeah, but fair enough. But I I think in this case, the bigger principle is is whether we extradite somebody to a corrupt government regime. And that is more important than what I don't even care if they were murdered somebody. You just don't extradite an American to the UK. Well, then we've got to get out of our extradition treaties. Yeah, or we just say no. Fuck 'em. Hey, if if if our NATO treaties don't result in being able to land on our own fucking base, yeah, fuck you. Then all treaties are null and void as far as I'm concerned. I'm down. I'm down. I am so down. So what do you think of the well before we we move off Tate though? So the the charge that they're being hit with in the UK, which is I think a different person but a similar charge to what they were in Romania, is trafficking a minor. And it's a very broad description of what actually happened. Because what they're talking about trafficking, because there was a video shot of a sexual experience. A consensual sexual experience. Yeah, and and a minor who was not a minor in their country that this happened in during the time it happened.

SPEAKER_04 41:53

Well, so there's an argument there because some people say that video was recorded at 15, which would be below the age of consent in the UK. Well, no. Some people say it was at 16. Yeah. And you know, so on. So, you know, if she was 16, then she's legally capable of consenting in the United Kingdom.

SPEAKER_00 42:15

Yeah. Exactly. She says more like nine years old in the Vatican.

SPEAKER_04 42:18

Yeah. And she says it happened when she was 16, and that it was BDSM play that they normally did.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

And not particularly that good. I mean, you know, just saying. Okay. Mm-hmm. If I have to rate it, maybe give it a six. But uh it it's it is a Trump dump charge, mostly because they're conservative. Well, and it's really not even them. I mean, like they may go for both of them, but let's face it, we know which of the brothers they're going after. Obviously. Yeah. His his his brother tends to be more on the quiet side. Uh Tristan. But it's yeah, I honestly I think becoming Muslim was sort of a defensive tactic for for them. Or I don't even think it's them. I think it's just Andrew's Muslim. I don't think Tristan's. I can't they certainly do not live a Muslim lifestyle. No, no, no. I don't think I've ever done that. But you know, the like Andrew's talked about how much he likes Dubai. So there you go. I guess that's all it takes these days. Have you ever been to Dubai? Of course not. I'm not allowed in there.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

Oh, please.

SPEAKER_04 43:40

Well, I guess if you've got your Israeli passport, you know. I I've been to Dubai, and you know, it it's in a lot of ways, okay, yeah, cool. But man, what hit me on Dubai and Qatar, uh, the UAE and and Qatar, that's the kind of panopticon

Dubai Safety Built On Monitoring

SPEAKER_04 44:05

these flock cameras are creating that I don't want to live under.

SPEAKER_00 44:08

But Tucker says it's the safest country in the world, like it's way safer than America.

SPEAKER_04 44:13

Straight up there with Singapore and everywhere else because you're under constant surveillance, and as soon as a crime is committed, you can be tracked down and done instantly. Yep. I will say, one of the coolest services that I don't know why we don't have a startup here doing it. Went out and had drinks with one of our sales reps over there. And, you know, he drove to the venue that we were at. And by the way, we're at this country club in essentially the Beverly Hills of Dubai, very expensive. And they're literally air conditioning the outside patio.

SPEAKER_02 44:51

Nice.

SPEAKER_04 44:52

But and I don't mean like a swamp cooler, so I mean air conditioner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. But we have some drinks and everything else, and he's like, all right, let me call the driver. Like, okay, so guess he's gonna have a car come get us or something. No, no, no. What it was was two guys show up, they drop the driver off, the driver drives his car home. Actually drops me off and a whole bunch of other stuff. The other guy just follows along, and then when he drop him off at his house, gets in the car with the other guy and they go on their merry way. Yeah. So it's better than calling an Uber when you're drinking because you don't have to go get your car the next day.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

Right. Yeah. Yeah, there are services similar to that in other countries, but where they use bicycles like folding bikes, where they'll ride on their folding bike to you and then put the bike in your trunk and then drive your car and the drunk you back to your house and then get on their bike and ride back. But why don't we have that here? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 45:58

And by the way, none of us were drunk, but the drunk driving laws are so draconian over there, you don't even play with them.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

I don't understand why you need drunk driving laws in a country that where nobody drinks because it's against the Quran. I don't totally don't understand that. They did makes no sense.

SPEAKER_04 46:16

Qatar, the bars close, the bars are only in the resorts and the you know non Qatari areas, and they close at 10 p.m. Dubai. Dubai is Dubai is a fucking free-for-all. I saw women more scantily clad over there than I ever would in a US City.

SPEAKER_02 46:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:42

And you know some Emirati is you know, got their passport and they're not going anywhere, but they don't realize it yet, sort of thing, you know.

SPEAKER_00 46:53

Yeah, well, and that that's the difference, is like, you know, at least there women are getting paid for that, where in other Muslim countries they're just getting raped, like the UK, for example. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:10

So while we're in the Middle East, Saudi Aramco, one of their largest refineries, just got hit by the Hooties today.

SPEAKER_00 47:20

Yeah, the Hooties are gonna learn what it's like to be on the the wrong end of a war here pretty soon. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:28

And I think Iran has learned that a lot over the last 13 days. Oh, they're getting there.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

They're still not there yet, but they're gonna be some ordinance. Yeah, yeah. It's yeah, it's gonna keep happening. And again, I don't really understand the rationale for why we needed to

Iran Strikes And Ukraine Air War

SPEAKER_00 47:49

stop for 40 days. Because it was inevitable this was gonna happen. Maybe we were supply chain issues that had to get resolved, and so we did this totally bullshit, like you know, temporary MOU bullshit thing.

SPEAKER_04 48:05

I think it was also to do justification for escalation.

SPEAKER_00 48:09

Whatever. We didn't need any but the the net result is good, which is that they're getting pounded. So the more of that happening, the better it is.

SPEAKER_04 48:22

Speaking of getting pounded, Russia took one up the butt this this last week. Which one? The F-16 shooting down the Russian fighter jet, the SU-35. Oh, no, I hadn't heard about that. Yeah, so F-16, which is a 70s airplane from the US, shot down an SU-35.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

Hold on, hold on. This is the plot of Top Gun 2. This is not real.

SPEAKER_04 48:49

It is real. They used basically the European version of an AWAC to target, and they used a combination of Patriot systems to launch at the plane and the F-16 for targeting data, and they shot it down, dude. The Pentagon, the Russians have confirmed it.

SPEAKER_00 49:11

No, I'm sure they shut it down, but I I watched that movie. I've seen that.

SPEAKER_04 49:16

I think they shut down three of them. Tom Cruise did. Yeah, well, they didn't have Tom Cruise piloting the F-16. Well, that's why. But an SU-35 is supposed to be Russia's equivalent to our F-22.

SPEAKER_00 49:30

Yeah, yeah. It's a beautiful plane.

SPEAKER_04 49:32

It's a very shot down by an F-16.

SPEAKER_00 49:35

Yeah, but I mean shit, dude. The the reality with all these planes, whether they're on any any military's planes, is the plane's capabilities and the pilot's capabilities are two completely different things.

SPEAKER_04 49:51

Russia's and sucks, their air defense, and now their airframes have been proven inferior to Western technology. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

So if you look at a good pilot flying an old plane, even if it's a 35-year-old F-16, what they're able to do is much better than flying than a young pilot flying a newer plane. And that's always been the case.

SPEAKER_04 50:18

Like that's never not been the case. But to be clear, this was not a dog fight. Yeah. Yeah. This was a beyond the horizon kill by a F-16 using uh you know using a missile that was guided by you know their equivalent of an AWAC.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

Yeah, so really give the credit to the AWAC, not the F-16. The F-16 was just a transport platform.

SPEAKER_04 50:43

But it worked. Sure. F-16s are still being produced and they're cheap. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

Well, I think in some countries it's the only plane that we sell to them.

SPEAKER_04 50:53

Well, you know, but my thought is you know, pe people have argued that the F-35 and the F-22, and now the F-47 are too expensive and too complicated.

SPEAKER_00 51:02

Iran shut down an F-22. So somewhat bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 51:06

We have not we saw the video, dude. We saw an AI-generated bullshit video. Uh that's a real video. We saw it. Not by any analyst that I've seen, but okay. Anyway, the point is if you have some of these stealthier platforms up there that have a lot of technology and surveillance capability, you can mass produce something like an F-16 or the F-16. And the way they're networking them now it provides tremendous capability.

SPEAKER_00 51:36

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it it's that that's the thing. It's really the e-war that wins here, it's not the pilots. Pilots are unnecessary, and I think that we're fast coming up, and the air forces of all countries are gonna oppose this, of course, but we are fast coming to a point where it makes zero sense to spend the money on either aircraft or pilots when that same amount of money could be used for better drone development. We need autonomous drones that are about a quarter or less the size of an airplane, can fly twice as fast, have four times the range, and have self-guidance

Autonomous Drones And Kill Decisions

SPEAKER_00 52:15

and deterministic capabilities to be able to completely shut off all communications and before we do that and exterminate other planes.

SPEAKER_04 52:22

Before we do that, everyone should go read Kill Decision by Daniel Schuarez. Yeah, that's a that that's a good book. Because do you really want to give an autonomous platform a kill decision? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

Absolutely. I don't trust humans, man. I've said this many times. I do not trust humans to make good decisions. Well, I don't know, man. I I don't know that I want to get that up. Ben, can I can I please audit your code? What code? Your brain code for making decisions. Because I'd like to audit that before I before I trust you with a gun. Yeah, sure. If you can read it. But I can but I can audit the code of a autonomous drone platform. Yeah, and see how to do that. I know when it's gonna do what. Well, that's the point of having it be autonomous is to not have it be able to be taken over. It because when you shut down that communication and it's in full autonomous mode. Yeah, you can blow it out of the sky, but you're not going to change its guidance.

SPEAKER_04 53:25

I'm talking about before you send it on a mission, you can program it with some nefarious shit, then it has no moral overriding ability to do it. Exactly. And that's the benefit of it. Whereas the pilot can go, yeah, I'm not dropping this bomb on the civilian hospital.

SPEAKER_00 53:40

Yeah, and that's what we don't want. What we want is people that execute what they're told to do. That's that's the ideal soldier. It's not somebody with morals, it's somebody that can precisely tactically execute instructions.

SPEAKER_04 53:54

Yeah, and the drones are so much better at that. You ever watch that movie Universal Soldier?

SPEAKER_00 54:00

I don't think so. I think I've seen ads for it, but I never watched it.

SPEAKER_04 54:02

It's an old 80s thing, and they're bringing back to life dead soldiers and reprogramming. Okay, programming them to be killing machines, and this one guy gets out of it, and oh my god, what's the martial artist that played him? Bruce Lee.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

80s, so it wasn't Bruce Lee. So David Cardy?

SPEAKER_04 54:25

No, no, it's 1992. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

Oh, okay. Jean-Claude Van Damme.

SPEAKER_04 54:29

Yes, Jean-Claude Van Damme.

SPEAKER_00 54:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 54:32

That's all you have to say was 92. Yeah. And Dolph Lungren is in the Oh, Dolph was awesome. I like Dolph. Yeah. It's a good flick. It really is.

unknown 54:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:45

Dolph Lungren. Do you know that Dolph Lungren has a master's in engineering? Yes. Yes. Dolph Lundgren has more is a more credentialed individual than Bill Nye the Science guy. Absolutely. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 54:58

No, he is a let that sink in for a second, everyone.

SPEAKER_00 55:03

I mean, you talk about a guy that had an unfair blessing, right? You imagine being intelligent, having, you know, clearly having no issues doing calculus, and at the same time, a body like that. Like, what the fuck, dude? That's just not fair. Okay. It's not. But apparently he was actually quite a nerd all through like high school and college and stuff. And then ended up getting his big break in the Rocky movie. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 55:41

Adrian!

SPEAKER_00 55:43

But I always liked him. I I thought he's he played obviously not a Russian, but he played a Russian with a certain intensity that was very good.

SPEAKER_04 55:54

Yep. I'm gonna have to download this to my Plex server now.

SPEAKER_00 55:57

Oh yeah. There you go. Now, as is there in an AI torrent software to make it easier for you to just be able to casually say there's a movie with Dolph Lungren in it from 1992, once you grab everyone that meets that criteria? Uh I don't know, but that's not that's not what I do. Yeah, but I mean we're kind of getting to that, right?

SPEAKER_04 56:21

I guess. I mean, sure you can if you want, but I I want to be able to pick the specific one, you know.

SPEAKER_00 56:32

Yeah. But I I think the idea with AI agents is for them to be able to execute as you, meaning they understand your decision-making progress or prior decision-making process, and then like if they know you always want like the widest screen version of a movie to always grab that, or you you know, whatever whatever it is that you're you're going for. Yeah, I guess.

AI Coding Speed Needs Human Checks

SPEAKER_00 57:00

I don't know, man. I I tell you, I've been an AI skeptic for well, uh, since I wrote my first Eliza program. But the the project that I've been telling you I've been working on a startup, then the progress that I'm seeing and so when you need a CTO. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know, I know. But the I I'll tell you what we will need before then is probably some third-party uh security check, test, audit, whatever you want to call it, something. To help. Yeah, yeah. Because I I'm obviously too close to it to be involved to do that, but will need to be done for multiple reasons. But the speed of code development is insane. It's it's I've never seen us go from a idea on paper to a visual prototype to a functional prototype in two days.

SPEAKER_04 58:01

Yeah, but look at but look at what Microsoft just did. They pulled out the like they bricked a bunch of devices, screwed up a bunch of stuff with a Windows update, yep, and had to roll back like 40%. For the second time, because yes, because of AI. Yep. Yep, absolutely. What I would say is AI is great in a lot of ways, but there has to be an invested human in the loop.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

Yeah. Or an AI, as people call them.

SPEAKER_04 58:31

An invested human in the loop, so that the human go knows, hey, if you let errors slip through, you're going to, you know, this is this treat this as if it was your code or another human's code in your assessment of it. Don't trust the AI.

SPEAKER_00 58:50

Right, right. And it it's really I I generally agree with that. The thing that I hear from my buddies at at Amazon and other large companies that have massive data centers is the the budgets have already been changed. Oh, yeah. Like development department budgets are now a fraction of what they were two years ago. Yeah, but the AI budgets are through the but the AI budgets are basically unlimited. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:28

But the problem is the CFOs are now starting to step in and go, we're spending what on what? Yeah.

unknown 59:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:34

And they're not seeing the efficiency gains that were quote unquote promised from the bottom line because you know, tokens are expensive. Yeah. But this is where we're seeing, and by the way, just to give a little bit of credibility to my opinion here, my team, and I'm directly involved with this client, is working on one of the largest AI data center build-outs in the world. So kind of close to this topic. But what we're seeing is a move to companies looking at running some of the open source models in their own data centers or even locally on the company's machine and only going out to the big expensive frontier models when necessary. So I think that's that's a shift in the dynamic that we're gonna see. Is the frontier models are still gonna be there because it requires such specialized data centers and hardware, but they're not gonna be the first use. The first use is gonna be either on the workstation of the person running the query or in a company's data center so they can control costs. So, you know, Gwen down in account in accounting probably doesn't need access to a frontier model, right? Right. But your programmer probably doesn't need access to a frontier model 80% of the time, but that 20% of the time they do, they have access to it. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:12

Yeah, it it's obviously there needs to be more optimization from a financial standpoint on that stuff, but the the frontier models are very impressive right now. And what I'm hearing from the guys using them on a regular basis is like they are getting better and better literally by the day. Oh yeah, yeah. What are you gonna call your startup, by the way? So, you know, and that's one thing I didn't want to really talk about until we have the name locked in. So it's a legal services startup. And I will I will mention the no, no, I will mention the name once it's locked in.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:55

Are you gonna have Horowitz uh get you some you know seed funding?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:02

Maybe. We'll see. We'll see. The main thing that we're gonna need for seed funding is obviously marketing. That'll be the biggest cost. Everything else is significantly cheaper.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:19

So have you followed the uh Shilo Hendricks case? I watched some videos on it, yeah. Did you see her lawyer's response? No. So this is a woman who used the N-word.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:35

What's the N-word? Damn it, Gene.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:43

I have a day job

Viral Speech Cases And Money Online

SPEAKER_03 1:02:44

that I would like to keep.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:46

I don't need clips. You could just say quote nigger unquote if you really wanted to.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:53

Uh-huh. And someone would clip it out of context. Anyway. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:57

Out of context is out of context. But and I don't think she should have called the child that, right? I see no problem with her calling the child that. Hold on. I I I've seen Chappelle calling children worse.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:10

Right. So this is a kid that rummaged through her purse and took some applesauce and then got that back, and then went and took a toy from her kid. And whether or not that child is actually autistic or whatever, we don't know. But doesn't matter. But she was recently convicted of disorderly conduct for calling the guy who is filming, not the child, but the guy who is filming the N-word. She got a thousand dollar fine and 200 hours of community service. That this is going to be overturned on appeal.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:47

Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:49

The liberal white judge that was the female judge that was presiding.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:53

Worst did the thing we have in this country is liberal females. Especially in any position of power.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:59

Yeah. But yeah, the the whole case is nonsense. It should be it cannot be disorderly context to the city.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:12

Yeah, exactly. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's like that judge belongs working for a pimp in front of a camera. It's pretty obvious.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:24

Anyway, but I love what people pointed out. So non-committal. What I love what people pointed out. I how am I non-committal? Anyway. I love how people pointed out that she's raised in her gives and go over 800K. Yeah. Almost.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:44

They're giving their money, uh, Nazis.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:47

Yeah. The whereas the the Somali immigrant who has was charged with raping. You mean a nigger? That was charged with raping an underage girl, which was dropped under suspicious circumstances, if you ask me, he only raised 300 and some odd thousand. Which is also insane, by the way. Yes. But so even if she has to complete her sentence, she's getting a hell of an hourly wage.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:17

Ah, I never thought of it as an hourly wage. Yeah, it's I I think that every time that I see a look at this point, it's inevitable that this episode's gonna be marked as adults only. Yes, because of you. Because of your topics. So every time I see one of these posters on X talking about how Oh, the white people are gonna rise up, you just wait. You're opening up a can of worms, you just wait. And then that same person can't bring themselves to say nigger. It's like, dude, you're you got nothing. You're not rising up to anything. You you have no power here. You're flapping your your mouth in the wind. Because if you're afraid to use language, you sure as fuck aren't gonna use violence. I can tell you that.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:17

I disagree. It's prove me wrong. It's okay. I think it's the more I don't want to necessarily out myself until the right time, sort of thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:27

Yeah, well, that's my point. The right time is never. Because you're sitting as a frog in a boiling pot. The pot's been boiling for a very long time, and all people are doing is just sort of complaining. And not doing are we gonna wait until the US looks like the UK? Is that gonna be the appropriate time?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:49

Gene, you're the one who chastised me on a few uh well, probably over a year ago now, on an episode for using the term Orientals.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:59

That was for fun. I use Orientals all the time, dude. It's I think it's funny because it is technically an offensive term, but it's one I grew up with. I don't see how it's offensive. You're from the Orient. Yeah, well, they're not from that's the point, is they're not from the they don't consider them to be from the Orient, they consider them to be from Asia. The Orient was a term made up by British people for Asia because they didn't know what it was. And so the Orient was not just, remember, it wasn't just like the Asian continent, it was also India. That was also part of the Orient. It's that mysterious unknown land of spices and smoke. So, you know, do you do you want to be known as being from like deepest Africa or from Saudi Arabia or you know, Nigeria or whatever?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:54

That's an actual I think we should go with Lincoln's plan and deport all the Negroes back to back to Africa.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:06

Well, we did that once. It's called Liberia. With a a country made up of ex-American black people. Well, and I think that was Monroe that did that, if I remember right. Well, we're instituting the Neo Monroe Doctrine, just saying. So the new the Neo Monroe doctrine is like we're gonna start exporting all black people. And I really don't think we should do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:35

Because again, the level of analysis that's always right is the individual.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:40

Um that's the intelligent answer, but you interrupted my joke that I was gonna say, which is boy, that's gonna be a big surprise for the Italians. And the Greeks. Uh-huh. The the non-white, no, the Greeks are white. But the well, they were until they were invaded. Well, yeah, fair enough. But they seem to have a history of being white. Yeah. But they have a darker complexion because they're in the sun all the time. But it's uh I know many Greeks. It is funny. Yeah, Greek food's great. But I think it's funny how a lot of yeah, this is this was my thing with obviously every time we see Nick Fuentes speaking up on something about white people. Like when that guy says white people, I think it's hilarious. Brown eyed, dark skinned, brown hair, Mexican with the last name Fuentes talking about white people. Okay, dude, why are you so interested in somebody that you're not?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:45

What I loved was the the leftist that was was going off that any white person speaking uh Spanish is cultural appropriation and oh right. You know, the the funniest fucking response. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:59

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:01

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So on to a funny topic that you're talking about. Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:04

I I learned something interesting. I don't see if you knew this. Do you know what Latino means? I believe so. What do you what do you think it is?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:14

Someone that is of Latin descent.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:18

And what is Latin descent? Like from Rome?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:22

No, it's more of a romance languages that are based off of that's not correct. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:28

So Latino is specifically the race of mixed people who have blood from both Native Americans and somebody from Spain or Portugal. Okay. There are no Latinos in Europe. Latinos are only in North and South America. And I didn't I did not know this. This is a new thing to me because I thought the same thing that you just said, which is Latino is just another word for Spanish descendant, right? But apparently it's only in the context of a mix between Spanish and Native American. So if you have zero Native American blood, you're not Latino.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:12

By the way, the Flock bill might pass because Thomas Massey's a co-sponsor of it. Oh, yeah. And the way they're the way they're going to do it is by withholding federal funds from those cities.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:24

I mean, that's not a bad thing, but I don't think it'll pass simply because like people are not really friendly with Thomas Massey right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:33

Yeah, we'll see. On to another fun topic. Did you see the hiker that had to get airlifted just two miles into a hike? Nope. Oh my god. I'll copy the image.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:45

Did you send the link for that? I don't remember seeing that.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:48

I forgot to, but check, take a look at this image. So her group is getting stuck with a bill of over $70,000.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:57

Oh my god. Okay. That's a hiker, huh?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:00

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well, look.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:01

This woman has to be almost a thousand pounds.

A $70K Rescue And Knowing Limits

SPEAKER_00 1:12:04

She's clearly trying to lose some weight, so that's admirable, right? I'm not gonna make fun of her for that. But I mean, maybe walk in a flat area first for two miles before you go up a hill for two miles. That's that's not good. I mean, it'd be like you trying to hike. I've hiked for a couple of miles, but I I'll tell you what. Uh hiking uphill, I did that in Seattle like six years ago, I think. I did a hike up a hill. I stopped probably every 200-300 feet just to let my heart rate go back down to normal. So, yeah, when you're carrying that much excess weight, you're just not getting enough oxygen to keep your heart supplied at full power. It's it could definitely be dangerous. But that's where you have to know your limits. And I mean again, like plenty of like it's good to get exercise, and and there's plenty of places to get it, but you don't push yourself to the point beyond your body's capacity.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:11

When I was in Hawaii and I hiked Diamond Head earlier this year, uh-huh, I was on my way back down and I saw this very overweight guy walking up, and I thought, my god, this guy's gonna have a fucking heart attack when he gets to those stairs. You know, it just not good.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:35

Yeah, dude, I remember last time I went up into the the top of St. Peter's in Rome, which I've I've been up there like six times, but the last time I did it, I was like, yeah, this will be the last time. I'm not walking up those fucking stairs again. Because it's you've never gone up there, right? No. So but you kind of know what St. Peter's cupola looks like. Like it's a big cathedral with a big, you know, cupola on top. So once you get up to the the roof layer of the main building, then you're walking along these probably several, well, for sure, several hundred-year-old. I don't know if it's 500 or 200 or a thousand-year-old, but whatever, crickety stairs that are around the they're on the inside of the cupola, right up against the cupola. So on one side, basically the wall becomes the ceiling, and you're walking with your head and your shoulders kind of bent a little bit, as you're like bent one direction while you're walking up, the opposite direction while you're walking down. But it's basically a single-person path where you, you know, groups just kind of take

Old Europe Stairs With No Guardrails

SPEAKER_00 1:14:49

turns going through, and it it is a I think you circle the cupola probably three times during the course of that while you're walking up the stairs to the very the I don't know what that thing's called in the very top, like a little platform where you can stand and look out. It's a beautiful view from there and everything, but and you could see obviously the whole Vatican, you can see a lot of Rome. But it is it like I said, that was gonna be my last time walking up there, at least until I lose a bunch of weight, because that was not a fun walk-up.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:24

All I can say is I did that at the Wallace Mall in Scotland. And you know, it's stone stairs and no railing, and I'm in pretty decent shape and I was wearing decent shoes. Yeah, but dude, it made me nervous. Yeah. Because I'm just thinking if I roll down these stairs, I don't have nothing to stop.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:47

Nothing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and I I remember thinking similar thing at the Blarney Stone in Ireland. When I I kissed, kissed the Blarney stone up there. It's like there's really nothing holding you except your arms. So the the Blarney stone is like on the underside of the what do you call it? I forget the technical term for the crinoline. It's the it's the the rock or stone circle that is on top of the tower where the archers would be shooting from. But the blunt stones on the underside of that next to a hole that you would either pour hot oil down or take a shed down. Use for both. And and you stick, you kind of hold on to this stone that's above you when your legs are on the floor, and your back and your head, there's literally nothing all the way down to the bottom of the castle. It's it literally goes down to the moat. And then while you're hanging on to it, you kiss the blarney stone. So it's like I didn't realize any of that when I when I went up there. I was like, ah, you know, Blarney Stone, probably like a rock sitting in the middle, surrounded by flowers or something, and you kind of have a little path to it, and you walk up. No, not at all. That's in Europe in general. I found that there are a lot of places that are sort of historical, like where you have to go up, you have to climb on something. Where in the US, anything resembling that would have safety ropes and guardrails and you know defined paths and you know handicapped accessible steps and all this crap. In Europe, you got none of that. No safety ropes, no guardrails, steps that somebody put there 500 years ago and are all crooked and never been changed since. And people are just walking up there. No one seems to care. I don't know if they don't have like lawsuits in Europe or what, because I don't remember signing anything that released them from any liability.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:09

Yeah, definitely not. So by the way, you've got two recipes to post. Don't forget. I do, yes. It's very true. So Gene's got the red beans and rice recipe as well as the shrimp and girds recipe to post. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:23

For those that asked for it, I took the time to and I think honestly, Ben, I think this is also the kind of thing that would make sense for us to like permanently stick like on a you know, Patreon site or something. On the RSS feed. Well,

Recipes Planned For Separate Posts

SPEAKER_00 1:18:39

no, it'll be on the RSS feed, but I mean like also stick it like in a Patreon if people want to have access to Ben's cooking book. Oh, people don't need to and his vinegar book, which is upcoming. I'm not looking to compete with the Dvorak family cookbook, dude. I I really somebody had mentioned that I wonder if Mimi's gonna release that book posthumously.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:04

Uh no, it's already so they made it a chapter in the or a section in the Dvorak family cookbook that is coming out. Yeah, but that's that's that's a section.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:14

But I thought he had a lot more than one section.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:17

Well, apparently it was enough for like a giblet, but not a full thing. Got it. Got it.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:23

Yeah, that'll that'll be good. That will be good.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:29

What else you got? Oh man, I was trying to find it. I just had it and then the page refreshed. Yeah. You gotta love that. So we've had several things happen here recently. We we've had several things happen here recently that was pretty interesting. A, the attacks on Iran and how that's going. Which what are your thoughts on some of the hits on infrastructure that was being dual use?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:08

I don't care if it's dual use. I think that the only way you get the citizenry to revolt against the government. Because look, the what why do why are they not revolting like they were six months ago? It's because they saw the net result of that revolt was 40,000 people murdered. Yep. Okay. What gets them to revolt again? Well, two things. One is a confidence that they will be on the winning side, which needs to be demonstrated that the US is routing in some manner IRGC, and routing means that they are fleeing. So there have to be either some cities that get overturned and held, or there needs to be some movement. That's one method. The other method is a little more brutal, unfortunately. But that is the Dresden firebomb. You need to start taking out civilian infrastructure in order to show people that you get you're between a rock and a hard place. Would you rather die because you did nothing?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:17

And I I don't want to do the Dresden firebombings again.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:21

I know, dude, but it it's that you don't believe in total war. I do. But that my point is we have to we have to motivate people andor convince them. Luckily, what we're doing right now accomplishes both.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:37

Well, we'll see. We haven't started bombing cities yet.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:41

No, but we will.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:43

So did you see the latest 2028 Democratic presidential poll on who's leading? I really I don't think I get that channel. It's on it was on Fox, but yeah, I don't really get that one anymore. Of likely voters, I I don't watch Fox either. But Akasa Cortez, AOC, is at 22%. Oh, I love it. Budig is at 21%.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:09

Yeah, okay. So he'll be the VP because obviously they want to give it to a girl.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:13

Kelly, Mike Kelly is at 9%. Newsom is at Newsom is at 8%, Sanders is at 6%, and Harris is at 5%. For the love of God, any of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:27

Any of them.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:28

Yeah. It will be fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:31

Oh, it will be. Yeah. I mean, having the barista with an IQ of 80 is tits, though. That would be priceless. Well, I mean, they used to be. I say I think she's gotten fat. But I I I think they got nobody.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:50

The the worst, the the saddest thing in the world is a fat girl with no titties.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:55

Yeah, that is pretty bad. That is true. Yeah. And and this is something you see is the fat chicks that get breast reductions. It's like, well, at least you used to be balanced. Now you're no longer balanced. It's just such a waste. Uh-huh. But but their backs, you know, their backs hurt from carrying all that weight.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:18

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:19

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:21

You know my feelings on this.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:23

Yeah, I know, I know. Their backs wouldn't hurt if they were on their backs. Exactly. I hear you. Oh, you got it now. You got it. All right.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:34

I got it at first. I was just trying to hold back off.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:41

Yeah, we're we're both still kind of on the last bits of being sick here.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:45

Oh yeah. Man, I I have driven almost a thousand miles this week. Oh my God. Drove up to Dallas for a client meeting sick, but I need to be there, and it was good. Wow. And then I went to Houston twice for two specialists' appointments. Okay. And getting more MRIs of my back here soon. Uh getting a full hormone panel, including cortisol, which that results will be interesting. Yeah. But yeah, it's it the medical conundrum continues. Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:22

Well, I guess if we're in medical news, so I finally had a sleep test done again. I did one about five years ago. And that one determined that I should probably get in one of those sleep things, Darth Vader masks.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:36

Well, have you looked at the the there's the there's the non-mask related CPAP stuff. So if you're if you're not

Sleep Testing And Implant Tradeoffs

SPEAKER_04 1:24:44

if you're not like really, really, really having problems if you're I want to say borderline slash slash you know mild, they have these things that can be worn externally that stimulate your lungs instead.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:02

I don't think the lungs are the issue. I think it's the throat closing up that's the issue. Uh hold on. Yeah. Well, anyway, so I did the the sleep test thing, and the way that works is they basically give you a a medical version of a ring that you put on your finger and then you sleep with it, and it's measuring your blood oxygen content, your pulse. It's also got a microphone, so it's listening to your snoring, and so it's able to like correlate when it doesn't hear you breathing with a lowering of your oxygen percent in your blood. Yeah, and then when based on that, they come up with a determination one way or the other on whether you're when my issues first started.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:56

I uh I I had something similar done, but mine was a basically like a smartwatch sort of style. Yep. But no, I I found it it's Inspire, and I see the link in the show notes.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:09

I have seen this thing, yeah. It's like the electrical thing. Yep. But I think it works on your throat, though. I don't think it works on your lungs.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:17

Well, it's implanted in your chest, so hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:21

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I I did see uh something about this. Like the idea of having something in me to me is not as I mean, it neither neither one's good, but at least the mask you take off while you're around.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:42

So I for those who don't know, I had I passed out as a teenager quite a bit, and we didn't know why.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:52

And your big brain, obviously.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:55

Well, so I have a heart condition called WPW, Wolf Parkinson White. And it's essentially to one of the chambers of my heart, I have an extra nerve pathway that intermittently engages. So what happens, or what used to happen, is the signal goes down both pathways. Well, one is inevitably shorter than the other, so the heart gets a signal to beat, so it's in midbeat, and then it gets another signal to beat, so you get with this the spasm, it's called a premature heartbeat. And as a result, your heart increases its heart rate, your heart rate, until it tries to find equilibrium. Right. Well, my stress test as a teenager when I was doing this, I did a stress test and I got up to 220 beats per minute, no problem. Like I have a very strong heart, so that was good. But they wanted to go in and ablate part of my heart, and I'm like, well, before we do that, can we do anything else? So they they put in, and I've got a scar on my chest to this day, an insertable loop recorder to monitor. I am one of the few WPW patients that A grew out of it, like over time, no longer have this issue. So the one nerve just kind of died off or whatever? Whatever, uh, by its own. And two, never required defibrillation to get out of it. So I don't know. There's all I'm saying is I've had inserted tech in me before. Yeah, yeah. It's a pain in the ass when you're going through a metal detector and uh won't march sometimes. Yeah. But far better than having the external option.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:43

Well, I don't know, man. I I'm not sure if it's far better. I mean, yeah, that's all I need is that to get a an insulin pump installed and then one of these things installed. I'm gonna turn a goddamn cyborg. And what's wrong with that? Yeah, what's wrong with that? Again, I've read enough science fiction to know that I do not want to be a sub-neuralink and you'll be fine. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:10

You know, then you won't be part of the hive mind. You won't be subject to the queen. It'll be okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:16

Just do a neuralink. Yeah. And you know that shit is gonna end up being like a uh cosmetic thing at some point.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:23

Yeah, it'll be required to be a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:25

Do you not want access to all of human knowledge? Okay, well then don't get it.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:32

Well, until work says what's your neural link in terms of right? Exactly. Exactly. And and that's yeah, there was something I was reading in one of the recent books about how companies had requirements for certain oh, it was uh around cyberpunk. So I think it was one of those like lore things I was watching on cyberpunk. The history of it and how companies started requiring certain implants either as a part of job hiring condition, or like we reserved the right to have you get an implant in the you know, in in the next five years, if if there's uh sufficient literature showing that it improves your job performance or something. So effectively, people didn't start out getting cyberware implants. They ended up having to. Yeah, they exactly. They they weren't getting them because they wanted to be different, they were getting them because they had to, and when enough people have them, that well then you're kind of like, you know, you're you're at a huge disadvantage compared to everybody else if you don't. Which reminds me of Gattaca, which was a great movie. Yes. Probably not watched by by Darren, because he seems to have not watched any of these movies.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:55

Well I I I like Gattaca. I watched it as a kid. Did you see the it was pretty viral, the Uber video? The Uber video, which Uber video? So this Uber driver picked up this mom and her daughter, elderly mom. Okay, and the mom eventually realized he was wearing a MAGA hat.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:23

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:25

And she starts flipping off, flipping out and saying, You should take off that hat. I don't want you wearing that hat. It's his car. Well, and he's he basically says, You're not gonna tell me what to wear. Um, you can get out, you can do whatever,

Political Meltdowns And Party Drift

SPEAKER_04 1:31:39

you know. Well, do you want a zero-star review? Do you want this? Do you want that? And the mom ends up having a fucking breakdown dude. She was full on TDS, breaking up.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:50

Probably banned from Uber now.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:51

You're you're causing her pain, don't you care? All this nonsense. Yeah. And yeah, it would just the the level of insanity some people have fallen into is just shocking.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:06

It is. I I totally agree. And and I think this is obviously why there's such a big backlash going on against the liberals right now. Even a lot of liberals. I watched a video this morning done by somebody that that had examples of like four different people that are self-considered liberal, like like John uh, what's his name? John the the the late show guy. What was his name? John.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:39

I have no idea who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:41

The liberal talk show host guy that used to have like the the late show or something like that. Oh my god, John, John, John Stewart. John Stewart. You don't know John Stewart?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:54

John Stewart, yes. And he wasn't a late show guy, he was the daily show guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:59

That's what I meant. You should know.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:01

Uh-huh. Well, I I not a mind reader, Gene. Uh-huh. Well, get on.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:05

Between you and the wife, like Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:09

Why do I keep being accused of being like people's wives? Anyway, John Stewart talking about how the left is going insane with all these Democrat socialist policies and tendencies. And then, of course, the other guy, the you know, the other guy.

unknown 1:33:30

God.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:30

The I haven't taken my vitamin B, goddammit. The politically incorrect guy. The politically incorrect guy. You know who I'm talking about. The guy that's got the show that's like it used to be called politically incorrect, and now it's called something else.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:49

Yes, I can visualize who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:55

Gonna do a quick Google politically incorrect American late Bill Maher. Bill Marr.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:00

Bill Maher, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:01

So Bill Maher saying the same thing, like, hey, I'm I'm you know, lefty, but these people are crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:07

Well, and even going so far as to say he could vote for Rubio or Vance in the election.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:13

Like, Jesus Christ. And then they had like four or five others that are on YouTube that I not really don't remember the names of. But there does seem to be at least a waking up of the left center group starting to realize that what the centrists like Elon Musk have been saying for a long time.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:36

Everybody, yeah. No, the the the left is gonna. I I truly believe there there's a a good amount of hope for the Republicans in the midterms and in 28 because the DSA, Mandami, and that wing of the party has gone so far in left. But dude, Telurico just so Telurico running for office in Texas here for Senate. He just is a Christian.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:08

I don't know. That's that's what the left says.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:11

Okay. First of all, there are so many things that disagree with. Yeah, I I totally disagree with him theologically on so many levels, it's not even funny. But he put out a plan to push Texas, he endorsed a plan to push Texas to pay for reparations.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:28

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:32

Uh well, it's you know, it's probably time. You could not make a more perfect candidate for South Park to make fun of. Yeah. And I don't know why they haven't. It pisses me off.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:44

Well, lately they've been on the other side of this for some reason.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:47

Right, but dude, the humor writes itself with this fucking little yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:56

No, it it is it is damn funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:59

I I'm pretty sure Talerico has a lot of the opinion. Like, I will not be surprised if Talarico comes out as biorgay at some point in time. I guarantee you he is psychocox.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:10

You know, they're they're sort of their mulligan on this is that they will insist that it is not gay to have sex with a trans woman.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:23

I mean if the giblets are there, then I don't know how you argue that. Yeah. Like if it's post op, yeah, still, you know, not what I would call straight.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:38

No. I mean, then you're just into circus freaks. But exactly. This is the adult episode, remember?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:46

Oh, this is so mature content. If we were monetized, we'd be fucked.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:51

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Although, you know, every episode of uh Unrelenting is still on YouTube and never once has it gotten a warning on anything. Which is amazing. Nobody watches. Yeah, yeah. I think that's I think I think the way YouTube at least works right now, and I think X is the same way, is that they don't have time to check everything. So they basically don't bother you until at least one person flags the video or X post, which I do all the time, by the way. I mark shit all the time as being against X policies, uh terms of service. But not until one person does it do they bother having the robot look at it. And then the robot will determine based on what it sees whether or not they're gonna flag it or not. But like they don't even have the content filtering looking at it until there's a complaint.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:52

And probably X audience size.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:56

Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:58

So I just am scrolling X while we're talking because you know, looking at the You kind of do that all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:03

I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:03

Yeah, yeah. Look at the meme I just found.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:08

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:09

We were born from a hole, then we look for a hole. When we die, we go into a hole.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:14

I guess this is the adult content episode, so might as well. Might as well. So, did you did you watch that video that I put in of China Quietly Saved the World last month?

SPEAKER_04 1:38:26

No, I saw it, but I didn't get to watch it.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:29

What's it about? The net of it is that they're talking about how China essentially stopped getting oil from its traditional oil sources in the Middle East. Yeah. And and by doing that, disaster was averted because the oil that is flowing is all going to Europe. And had China

China Oil Shifts And ICC Defiance

SPEAKER_00 1:38:58

not done this, had they been getting the same percentages of oil that they previously had, that's likely Europe would have been totally fucked. Which if they could get that oil, they would. Well, and that's the thing, right? Is you have to look at the rationale behind it. Because I it it could be a true statement saying that it was China's actions that resulted in their inability to purchase. Which is still kind of, I mean, like I get it. It look, headlines on YouTube are meant to be catchy and make people click on the video, right? It's it doesn't have to be both factually true and generally true. Like it has to that you could be factually true, but generally not true if you look at the context.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:48

But still, it was an interesting thing. I hadn't really thought about it that way, but by China being self-interest motivated in finding alternative routes for oil, they had eased pressure on oil for Europe as a result as well. That's the bottom line.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:09

Speaking of oil-producing countries, did you see that Venezuela is removing itself from the international community of criminal court?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:17

Oh, criminal court, okay. Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:19

They're following us after Rubio's state.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:21

Well, yeah, I was gonna say the hard person's speech. Oh my god. Oh, it was great. Presidential. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:28

Oh, it was a big middle fucking finger to Europe.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:32

Yeah, yeah, completely. It's like the unappointed bunch of people that we have no interest in complying with or supporting, and they're they're not legitimate. So we we hope that other countries join the US Secretary of State. Yeah, yeah. Uh future president, that uh we we hope other countries in ignoring them. What?

SPEAKER_04 1:40:59

Future emperor, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:01

Yeah, future emperor, exactly. That's that's uh that's why I've been saying that. I think Rubio for emperor.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:09

Yeah, yeah. I mean, and by the way, so everyone knows where is it? You know, Gene has taken his moniker in our group chat as Sir Gene, Marco for Emperor. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:23

Well, I I do think that America has Although I think half of our audience already knew that. I I'm pretty sure I have that exactly. But I think

Urban Versus Rural And Empire Talk

SPEAKER_00 1:41:34

I think America has had its really its republic phase, like we've done it, been there, done that, went through it. I think it's time for us to now ascend into our next phase, which is an empire. And of course, an empire has to have an emperor. And I think Rubio is a great name for an emperor.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:57

If you haven't, if you haven't read it, Empire by Orson Scott Card, it's a two-book series, is fucking fantastic, and it it is all about America having its second civil war and going into its empire phase. And he predicted in the 90s that America's second civil war would be urban versus rural. And even if we do not go into a hot civil war, what you see in the polarization today is very largely urban versus rural.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:32

Oh, yeah, yeah. A lot of people are talking about that. I think it's absolutely the case. Uh because urban is basically how what what do you need in order to live in an ant colony? And rural is what do you need to survive on your own? And I think those mentalities are becoming further and further apart as the the city dwellers are really they're not seeing the the production of anything. They're just purely in a consumptive mode and then generating the money for all that consumption by doing non-menial work, by doing things that are, you know, using AI or or doing marketing or doing other shit that that doesn't involve physical labor. Which you you just can't get away from physical labor on the rural side. And and rural, I don't just mean Appalachia, right? Places with barely any infrastructure. Rural is any place that's more than an hour away from from a city. So, or well, let's say suburbs, an hour away from suburbs. Because there are a lot of places where you still have a city mentality, even though people are living in two-story houses. But it doesn't take that far to go from that to a place where people are living in two-story houses on 20-acre lots. Like would you would you say your parents are living in a rural or urban area?

SPEAKER_04 1:44:21

Oh, they're rural.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:22

Yeah. I would definitely say so.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:24

They're an hour outside of Beaumont. Yeah. You know, they've got 20 acres, over 20 acres, and you know, they're the the nearest town, Jasper, is like 20,000 people. Yeah. And they're and they're well outside of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:41

And it's a rural town. It's not a it's not like a small city or anything. Absolutely. I mean, driving through Jasper, you're not sure exactly where it starts and where it ends. Just kind of it's one of those towns worth a couple of McDonald's or Arby's or whatever. Whatever your your fast food of choice is. And not a Starbucks on any corner, like we have here. Oh man. Yeah, I think that is a I bought that book, so I just need to move it up on my to-do wrist. I just finished reading that other other book by Orson Card Scott. Orson Scott Card. That's what I meant. And which one? Oh, I told you which one I was reading. It was Where's my phone? It was the one about the the clones. Uh what's it called?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:46

Oh, yeah, yeah. The the Walkers or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:49

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:50

Yeah, that was one of another one of my recommendations. It's good. And now I'm reading Legends by Robert Lattell. So another book recommendation, and I've made it before, but a really good one that, given your startup and what y'all are doing, you should read, and I'm not gonna give away why. But Treason by Orson Scott Card. It was his first published book.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:16

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:17

It's it and it the writing style is amateuristic in a way, right? Okay. Wait, it's not his best writing technically, but the storyline and the plot twist is very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:33

Hmm. Okay, let me find it here. Nothing more interesting on a podcast than somebody doing a book search.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:40

Yeah, yeah. Uh there's a lot of books named Treason, by the way. Treason by Orson Scott.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:46

I see it. I see it. All right. Add to library. There we go. Viewing library. Perfect.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:53

So Steam Machine.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:58

Which I think is probably gonna be our last topic. Okay. Have you been paying attention to the Steam Machine reviews and what people are finding after they actually live with it? Steam Machine?

SPEAKER_00 1:47:09

Yeah, the new Steam computer. Oh, the computer. Okay, okay. I was like, what the hell? Are you talking about a floor cleaner? No, no, you're talking about the the yeah. See, I don't like the name Steam Machine. I thought Steambox was a much better name.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:21

Yeah, yeah. But uh so, oh it

Steam Machine Linux And Everyday PCs

SPEAKER_04 1:47:24

it's a okay gaming PC. Yes, you can build your own for TV.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:29

People are a little more disappointed than that than was expected for gaming.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:32

Uh unless they're actually using it as a desktop.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:36

Which is funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:39

People have compared it to the closest thing to a Mac mini in the PC world. Yep. Linus is raving about it, right? Well, Linus has been on a Linux kick for a while now. Uh, that's the other thing, is dude. I think the Steambox, the Steam Machine, could get a lot of people who get it for a gaming PC sort of thing. Uh, it's not the greatest, but it's pretty good, and I don't have to do anything. Uh because if you go to any PC integrator, you know, you're gonna pay more for the same performance. So Steam is basically doing this at cost. Yes, you can do you can do your own build yourself, but you're not gonna have some of the features, and it certainly isn't gonna be as compact as this little thing is. Yeah, it's basically. But what I think what I think a lot of people are going to see is I can daily drive Linux.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:35

Yeah. Yeah, which really shouldn't be a big deal because when Chromebooks came out, I thought that's when people were gonna realize they could daily drive Linux.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:47

I've been daily driving Linux for years.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:49

Yeah, but you're not a people. I mean like actual people. You're you're an you know, Uber nerd. But when when enough people get their hands on this thing. So they're selling tens of thousands oh yeah, yeah, they're selling them like hotcakes for sure. And I thought I was gonna buy one as well, but now watching its gaming abilities, I'm like, there's no point.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:13

Yeah, and I'm glad I didn't wait for it given its gaming abilities.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:18

But you know, if I'm wanting a little desktop or something, or something for it's a kid's computer, and in fact, I just recommended it to my ex-wife who texted me and wanted recommendations on a computer for her kid. I'm like, you know what? You should get one of these.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:34

So she had a kid after she got rid of you. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:39

Did not know this. Yeah. Didn't I tell you? Oh, yeah, I'm surprised you didn't know that. No, she did. Yeah, she didn't want to have a kid with me, you had a kid without me.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:52

Bitch. Well, I mean, it's completely understandable why someone won't have a kid with Eugene.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:00

No jokes on her. Anyway, the I think this would be a good machine for a lot of kids with a an it would have everything they need, but also it would get them very used to Linux.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:16

Well, I I would say it differently. Anyone who isn't a hardcore gamer that wants a multi-use PC. Yeah. Right. So you can't think of it as competing with like the PS5. No. Because it quite frankly has about the same level of graphics compatibility as the PS5. It's way more expensive, but it's a general use computer. So if you're going, well, I could buy a PS5 and then the This $500, okay, dude, dude, dude, dude, stop. Buy this, right? So for people who aren't like I have a fairly decent gaming rig, you've got a fairly decent gaming rig. But for yeah, yeah. For for a college student, for example, if you're choosing between buying a PS5 and a college laptop, I would really consider this.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:13

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:14

You know, because you're gonna be cheaper overall. Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna have the compute platform that you really want, and it's gonna be all in one. Yeah, the only thing it lacks is really portability, but I think it's hilarious that Linus is chucking uh lugging this thing around.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:35

I would with USD docking bought airplane, okay? He bought an airplane. Yes, I'm pretty sure he can afford two of these things.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:43

Oh, he can afford more than that. But uh the in but my point is this thing is small enough that if you want to lug it around, you can. Yeah, but if you if you consider that this is replacing a laptop that's gonna mostly sit at your desk and a PS5, it's a great value if you look at it like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:06

Yeah, I I think for people that aren't gonna get into the Apple ecosphere, I think that this is a pretty good machine. And it is the way I look at it is again backwards. It's it's really backwards because it's a computer that is sold as a gaming machine and can work as a computer, but I would look at it the other way around that it's actually a pretty good computer for a college student, high school student, junior high school student, whatever, somebody that is not using it for work that also has better than otherwise would have been expected gaming abilities.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:48

I could vaguely drive that for work easily.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:53

Sure you could, but you know what okay. Quick, tell me again, what are the specs on your work computer?

SPEAKER_04 1:53:01

Which one?

SPEAKER_00 1:53:02

Oh, pick one. Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:04

The Windows box or the Mac? Either one. I mean, I've got a M4 MacBook Pro with 96 gigs of RAM.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:14

Uh-huh. Exactly. So it's like a $5,000 computer.

unknown 1:53:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:18

You've also got a little Dell that's not.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:21

No, that's like a $3,000 computer.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:23

No, no, no, it's cheaper than that. How much RAM's again? I I gave back the big one. Oh, you did?

SPEAKER_00 1:53:29

Oh, I didn't realize you gave back the big one. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:31

Yeah, yeah. I hold on, I gotta switch my KVM so I can see how much RAM this thing has.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:40

Because I get enough of Darren complaining about how 128 gigs of RAM is just not enough. I, you know, I don't need to hear that from you as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:50

I mean, it depends on what I'm doing. My my my main machine only has 64, which is a problem for me in a lot of ways.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:00

Yeah, because you'd like to open a couple more windows in your browser. I mean, I've got 500 some. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:08

Exactly. Hold on. I don't want system configuration. I want sys info. All right. So my Windows box for work has a weird amount of RAM because it's 38.4 gigabytes, which means it's shared, so it plus 16, so it's got six 64 gigs of RAM in it. Um what processor is in it? It's a 13th gen core i5. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:36

Oh, that's not very fancy. No, it's not. What? Not even an i9, not even an unlocked K version of an i9 in there.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:44

Well, I gave back the i9 with a shit ton of RAM in it, yeah. The big discrete GPU, and it's just I don't know I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:52

When they gave that to you, I'm like, what the hell do they think you're doing? Making gaming videos?

SPEAKER_04 1:54:57

I I'm seeing your leadership, right? I'm I I've got the Mac if I need it, cool. But when I'm flying around, I want a little light computer, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:55:07

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:09

So the Mac should be lighter than the other one. Oh fuck no.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:13

This is a little new the Mac is like three pounds, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:18

Yeah, and this is even smaller and thinner than that. This is a latitude 7440. Like it's a teeny little thing. Okay. And it it's fantastic for travel.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:34

Oh, yeah, I'm looking at it. It's pretty thin, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:37

Yeah, it's teeny. The MacBook Pro is way chunkier, which the MacBook Pro is fine. I I like the MacBook Pro in a lot of ways from a hardware standpoint. The OS is garbage. But, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, but I am still pissed at Apple for taking BSD and not giving anything back to the community.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:04

Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that's why that's my point. Is it's not that there's anything wrong with the OS. It's that you're pissed at the company for doing something which makes you then call the OS bad,

Mac OS Gripes And Better Terminals

SPEAKER_00 1:56:14

even though it's not actually bad.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:17

No, I'm sorry, but they stole it's fair and legal. Multitasking in iOS in Apple's operating system, not iOS, but Mac OS. When fucking KDE running on BSD does a better job than it's horrible. The underlying OS is rock solid from a kernel standpoint and everything else. The GUI and the user experience is just simply not for any sort of power user. It's not. Do I have the command line? Can I go down there? Sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:55

But no, the the You can even have GROK in the command line now. Okay. Did you see that? You can put Groc 4.5 into your command line. What platforms? On the Mac.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:10

Okay. Did you ever look at the the Warp terminal that I told you to? Yeah, I did. Yeah. It's it w while you're working on your little startup and doing coding, you really ought to try warp. Like it is fucking good.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:35

Yeah. Yeah, I I I need to figure something out.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:44

Yeah. In the meantime, I'll uh keep running my 35 plus billion parameter models at home.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:52

Yeah. Yeah. Which is cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:55

And I still need to get with CSV and figure out some dates.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:00

Yeah, yeah. And I know I I need to talk to him as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:06

CSV. I will try and get dates.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:09

Try and get dates? Oh, you're that's you talking to him in in his language? That's me trying, yes. Make sure he understands. Alright. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what else? There's a couple other things I think we didn't talk about here. Oh, Trump uh proposes term limits.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:32

Yep. So that would well, I think it was in the speech he was making, but basically the term limits that he proposed would wipe out 75 73% of Congress.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:45

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:46

Right? I mean, that's what I've been saying since high school. Okay. And I wrote my first political paper on solving the current political problems of 1980s politics

Term Limits And Hard Governance Takes

SPEAKER_00 1:58:59

by showing how term limits, while not popular, would be extremely effective. So I've been a big fan of term limits for a long time, and I think it is a brute force approach for sure. And the argument against term limits is always well, what about that one guy that's really good?

SPEAKER_04 1:59:21

Because we lose Rand Paul. And you know what? Yeah. Sorry, but how many Nancy Pelosi's would we get rid of? Like it's yeah, yeah. That's exactly right. You know, I had this conversation with someone the other day because they challenged me when I was I was pissed off about some of the Supreme Court decisions, and I said, Women should not be put in positions of power and this, that, and the other. And I was saying this to a fairly liberal white woman. And they said, Well, but you see female doctors, and I said, Yeah, that's fine. That's a maternal thing, right? That's a caregiving thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:01

Not if I want an expert.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:02

Well, anyway.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:05

Anyway, I'll see a female doctor if they if you know I'm not looking for an expert if I just need somebody to do a script, right? I don't, you know, it could be a specialist. Like, I'm okay with female specialists, it's just more innocuous. Like, I have no problem going and picking up a how's my sleep test kit from a chick.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:25

All right. So let me finish my story. Go ahead. But the point I was making, and I'm gonna short circuit this now because you have it anyway. Uh but the point I'm making is when we look at the impacts of first, second, third, and fourth wave feminism, yeah, and we look at all the potential amount of women who are in abusive relationships, beaten and downtrodden and everything else, and we assume all that is a hundred percent true, and we look at the impact to our society, we look at the degradation of the family and what this has wrought. I am sorry, but it would have been been better for every single one of those women, assuming it's all true and feminism stopped 100% of it, which didn't, to be beaten than what has happened.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:10

Well, that's a pretty aggressive statement.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:13

I think it's a very accurate one.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:15

Well, I didn't say I disagreed with it. I just think it's pretty pretty aggressive.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:19

But yes, and you were chewing me out earlier for not being, so there you go.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:23

I mean, yeah, no, no, I think it's it's good. This was a mature thought, the other was not. The key thing is I say this on a daily basis somewhere, and I usually on X is at one of the places, but plenty of other places, that every American problem that I can point to today all started with the 19th Amendment. Every single one. Race racism issues, and to be clear, the trans issue all started with the 19th.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:55

And to be clear, the 19th Amendment was not only about giving the right to women to vote, it was about more universal franchisement.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:05

Yeah, which is wrong.

unknown 2:02:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:07

So we've talked about that as well. There's citizenship should be totally separate from where you live. Like where you live, you don't have to be a citizen, but if you are going to be a citizen, there are more hoops to jump through. And only citizens ought to be the ones voting. So to that end, the reason that is the case, it's it's not that you know I think women are worse than men. Women are different than men, they are built different, their brains are built different, and what is important to a woman is not what is important to a nation.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:45

And here, and here's what I would say men and women, this is the religious me coming out. Men and women are equal under God. But we were given two totally different roles. And a woman, very few, if any, women can assume a man's role, and very few, if any, men can assume a woman's role and do it well or right.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:16

Yeah. And that that's fine, and I that argument works equally well without putting God in there. It just you don't need to deny reality. And the reality is that men and women make different decisions about the same issues, and what is good for a large group of people like a country corresponds more with the decisions that males make than with decisions that females make. Because you need to, as the leader, be able to always place the group that you are in charge of, the group that you hold responsibility for has to be at a higher priority than everybody else. And this is a very common thing for men and women to have disagreements on because the women will always say but every child deserves the same love, every child should be cared for the same way. And the men think my child deserves love first and foremost. My child and my family need to be taken care of first and foremost. See, for women, the idea of putting your offspring and your family above others is not natural. It's it it's forced. Whereas for men, through millions of years of evolution, or God, as you prefer, the the need to place those that are under your protection above everybody else is literally the definition of being a man. It's it it is the thing that men are made for. This is why men are disposable and women are protected. Because if there's no difference between any men or any woman, meaning my woman, my wife, my girlfriend, my daughter, my men are possessive.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:30

Men have to be possessive by design. Well, because it's mama's baby, daddy's maybe.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:37

Exactly. Exactly. Like that's really what it comes down to. You want to know, and this is this is why for every birth we ought to mandate paternity testing.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:49

Oh, 100%. I don't I don't think people should be allowed to leave the hospital without DNA testing. Anyway, continue.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:58

But I also don't think there's a there's an evolutionary reason or a a designed reason why men are and should be possessive.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:07

Yeah, yeah. And that is what you need in leadership positions, whether it's for a city, a state, a country. You need that same thing. You need ownership of the project or yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right. You you can't have a bunch of co-leaders, there's no such thing. It's a it's a joke. So, yeah, absolutely. You need to have the ability to prioritize, you need to have the ability to see the success of the thing that you own that you're in charge of, or that at least you're responsible for as having the highest priority. And women just have an extremely hard time doing this. Now, are there exceptions? Of course. Can you find women that are competitive and will meet a man at every step and act ruthlessly? Absolutely. But they are small exceptions to the rule that you can't build a government or any organization around the exceptions. You have to build them around the norm, around what typically happens. And so, give, you know, like you said at the beginning of the show, you want to work on the level of the individual merit. So you have you should treat people in a way that they should be treated based on their actions, not based on their sex, not based on any other thing. But before you know who these people are, then it's fairly safe to treat men and women differently. And this is this is why I like I said, I I'm it sounds very inflammatory to a lot of people, and people think I say this just to you know be a troll that the 19th Amendment was a mistake. No, I genuinely think it was a mistake. I think that statistics prove me right. If you look at the voter statistics of votes cast by men and women since the introduction of the 19th Amendment, since women had their first right to vote, what you will find is that no liberal candidate would have ever won the presidential seat if you take away the female vote. Literally zero. We would have had a hundred years of nothing but Republicans winning presidential elections.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:42

And if that doesn't tell you that men and women vote differently, I don't know what does. I mean, John F. Kennedy is probably the most prominent example of the female vote. Well, because he was less qualified, he had mafia tie-ins, there was rigged elections happening, but he came across as being more likable to women on television.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:05

Yeah, and this is where I would say it's not just the 19th, it's also the 17th Amendment. The 17th Amendment was ratified in 1913. Look at what else happened in 1913. The fact of the matter is the progressives of the era were pushing our country, trying to get to quite frankly, where we fucking are today.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:27

Yeah, that's it. They succeeded, man. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:32

And by the way, someone to convince me, please, that Woodrow Wilson isn't the second worst president in the United States history.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:42

Yeah, I think popular elections are bad for most things. In fact, again, you and I have been talking about literally removing all popular elections by limiting popular elections to a subset of people, effectively making them non-popular elections. You know, I think citizens that vote should be the subgroup of the people that live in America. And I don't just mean the legal versus illegal. I mean within the legal group, not everybody is going to be a citizen, and certainly not everyone should be voting.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:15

Well, and this is where, by the way, before I go any further, just so everyone knows. Ben hates women. Lincoln is the worst president in US history. And other than Woodrow Wilson being right up there, too, my top five would be Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, Peanut Farmer. Yep. Carter. Can't remember Carter. And then George Bush. And if you want a honorable mention for the top five, would be Reagan.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:54

What about Barack Obama?

SPEAKER_04 2:10:56

Boy, but the others are so much worse. I don't know, man. Obama the world. Bush is way worse because of our civil liberties. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. No, Bush is definitely bad. Reagan's worse than Obama in a lot of ways. Now, is Obama in the top ten? Yeah. Does he make it to top five? Gee, I don't know when you look across that spectrum. Yeah. Yeah, I I'd go wrong with the bigger. He didn't do as much legally as the others did, I guess, is where I'm drawing it. Was he worse for our society in a lot of ways? Yeah, because he was a very derisive character.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:34

Yeah, I mean he he basically turned around the relative stability within race that we had up to that point. And you could you could argue that the reason he was elected is because Americans no longer cared about race. Like there was not an issue anymore.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:52

I would argue that a large percentage of the population wanted to vote in a black president.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:59

I think a certain portion of the population did, but I don't think that that was the largest group that voted for him. I think the largest group that voted for him was just a vote against anybody that's similar to George Bush.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:14

Well, and let's face it, his two Republican opponents were.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:28

Absolutely. He is a horrible human being.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:30

Same thing I did when Lindsey Graham died. Same thing I did when Papa Bush died. Like and here's the thing most conservatives, most people would say Reagan was a great president. No, he fucking wasn't. The asylums, the assault weapons ban, all that. No, sorry. Reagan, bad president. JFK, bad president. Nixon, ironically, fairly good president in a lot of ways, but still got some stuff that I don't really like. The only president before Trump that I would have been happy with, the last what I would call good president, because I think our presidents are mostly trash. Take a guess who. Before before Trump, the only other pres the newest president I would call a decent president. I don't know. Eisenhower.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:21

I was thinking Eisenhower, but then I thought, well, there's plenty wrong with him, too.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:27

Yeah, but he had Operation Wetback, so that's cool.

unknown 2:13:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:33

Get it all out, Ben. Get it all out. I mean, this is gonna be the scissor episode, so we might as well. No, but Eisenhower was fairly decent. Before that, you've got to go back to like Taft and Monroe, and like you just keep going back and you realize we haven't. I kind of like Jefferson. Oh, absolutely. TJ is my favorite president and favorite founder.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:58

I'm also a fan of Teddy Roosevelt. I know you're not, but I I like a lot about Teddy.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:03

There's a lot about him I like. It's okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:05

You know he was the youngest president we had?

SPEAKER_04 2:14:08

So far.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:09

Well, yeah, that would be the same statement.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:12

Uh what I like about Teddy Roosevelt is he gets shot and continues the speech. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:18

I yes. There's certain madliness qualities about him that are.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:22

The guy had some brass fucking low-hanging balls.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:25

He he did boxing matches at the White House where he was a participant.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:30

Yes.

unknown 2:14:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:32

Teddy Roosevelt.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:33

Average avid hunter. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:36

I don't like his creation of national parks and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:39

I totally give him a pass on that because to him, they're not national parks, they're national hunting grounds. Uh, anyway. He wanted to ensure that every man, rich or poor, had a place to go hunting.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:53

Okay. Well, I think it's been abused. The the other thing I would say. For sure. For sure. The other thing I would say is I think one of the things that's wrong with our society is we don't fucking have very many men anymore. We've got a lot of boys, not men. And I'm sorry, but if you haven't been in a fist fight, you're not a fucking man.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:15

Yep.

unknown 2:15:16

True.

SPEAKER_04 2:15:17

Like if there is not enough testosterone in your body when you're an adolescent to end up with you in fights, oh, I don't know what you're doing. Like, I never fucking started a fight as a kid, but I sure as hell didn't back down from one.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:32

Yeah. Yeah, I still have a scar on my left hand finger knuckle. I have a scar in my knuckle from punching a guy in like high school. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:47

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:49

No, junior high. That was that was still in junior high.

SPEAKER_04 2:15:51

And people who sit there and say words should never escalate to violence. Fuck you. There's only so much of way I'm gonna allow someone to talk to me and I'm going to eventually say, you better stop, or you're gonna fuck around and find out. Yeah. Like and if you don't have that attitude, I'm sorry, but you're not a man, you're a boy.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:13

The problem is that that attitude that you describe as a positive thing, unfortunately, is also the attitude that most cops have, which is you will respect my authorite or I will do you bodily harm. Okay. And and this is what you know, like what we talked about that woman saying nigger, and literally being convicted of speech that that is considered bad.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:42

By the way, all I'm gonna say is jigaboo, jigaboo.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:49

Those who get the will get it.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:53

Do you know the song?

SPEAKER_00 2:16:54

No, no. I watched a movie that had that in there, but I don't know the song.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:59

I'll I'll play it for you after the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:01

All right. All right. Is it out of copyright? Do you want us to just play it on the podcast?

SPEAKER_03 2:17:06

No, we do not want to play it on the cop. No, no, no, Gene. No. Bad. Bad Gene.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:13

I mean, if we're gonna go there, let's go all the way. Oh and the weird eye podcast. Yeah, right. Well, hey, at least we both have blue eyes. Like, that's that's something that we can say that most of these white nationalists can't. All right, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:33

Anything else we want to cover since we're you know screwed on this one?

SPEAKER_00 2:17:37

Well, the the the only other thing I was gonna mention, because it's funny, is the video, actually multiple videos lately of God damn it, what's his face? The the the Mexican Nick Fuentes. Yeah, Nick Fuentes. There's been two or even more videos lately going out, and no, he broadcasts every day, so there's a lot of opportunity to get clips of him, but at least two that I've watched where he's basically saying if the guys that are right now representing the America First Crowd are these guys and the needless off, the guys that are on that side, like Cannis Owens and Tucker Carlson and stuff, then you know, convert me to a Jew now because I'm on the wrong side. You know, like you you watch that video, right? Or there's a couple of them like that.

SPEAKER_04 2:18:30

I I don't know that I've seen that one.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:31

Oh, you gotta watch it. I I put it in our in our chat thing. Yeah, it is hilarious.

SPEAKER_04 2:18:36

Do you know how many unread messages I have in our group chat?

SPEAKER_00 2:18:39

I hopefully zero because I I only put things that I want you to watch in there.

SPEAKER_04 2:18:45

Now are you talking about chat or the group chat?

SPEAKER_00 2:18:47

The group chat.

SPEAKER_04 2:18:48

Yeah, the group chat. I have like 20 unread messages in there.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:51

Oh my god. I mean I don't life. I don't think I post more than 60 times a day in there. Like, that's that's about the most you're gonna get from me 60 videos that are an hour long per day.

SPEAKER_04 2:19:02

Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 2:19:03

Anyway, I just find it so freaking funny, and this is where I I've said this before, and it's it's always been true, is that like sometimes Nick feels like he has a twin brother who has completely different opinions, but he's very funny, he's very witty, and he is trolling people with the way that he kind of presents himself. But then other times you look at Nick and he's got a very serious look on his face, and and you're like, yeah, he actually believes this shit. Like he is completely, you know, the character that he's portraying. He's not putting a mask on, he is that person of low intelligence that is quoting things that he ought to know are incorrect. So it it's hard to say one way or the other because he he does such a good job of of being both of those sometimes. Not at the same time, but you know, one day he's one character, the next day he's the other guy.

SPEAKER_04 2:20:11

Well, I think he's a very conflicted person in a lot of ways, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:14

Yeah, maybe, maybe. But I'm I'm hoping that eventually that he will kind of grow out of this phase and just become a conservative and just stay there. Maybe we'll see what happens. Alright, Ben, got anything else?

SPEAKER_04 2:20:32

No, I gotta go.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:33

We're gonna post your recipes in a separate episode so that they are not tied to an adults-only episode.

SPEAKER_04 2:20:40

Yeah, yeah. It should be two separate episodes, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:20:42

Because it's two separate recipes. I mean, yeah, we could do two. I was gonna put them both in one, but yeah, we can do it.

SPEAKER_04 2:20:47

Well, that way it's easier for someone to find out. Okay, fair enough.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:50

I'll put them in two separate episodes. Then what are the two things that we got on? What are the fruits?

SPEAKER_04 2:20:55

Shrimp and grits and red beans and rice. Two southern staples.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:58

Yep, southern

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SPEAKER_00 2:20:59

staples. Grits are good, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:21:01

I especially the way I do them.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:04

All right. We'll catch you later, Ben.

SPEAKER_04 2:21:06

Later, Gene.