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185 Texas Turns Blue Overnight
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Texas didn’t just surprise us, it rattled our assumptions. We start this late-night debrief in full disbelief, replaying the moments when the map stopped matching the polling and the “safe” narratives collapsed. From statewide races to down-ballot consequences, we keep coming back to one unglamorous question with huge explanatory power: voter turnout. Who stayed home, who showed up angry, and how much did brand, candidate quality, and ground game matter more than anyone wanted to admit?
Then we zoom out into the bigger forces shaping modern elections: Gen Z voting trends, the split between economic reality and political talking points, and why housing costs, inflation fatigue, and day-to-day affordability can overpower everything else. We also talk through party identity and internal fractures, including what 2028 could look like if the current coalition keeps splintering. Along the way, we connect institutional stakes like the Supreme Court to the way campaigns frame urgency, because even a midterm can set the board for decades.
We don’t leave foreign policy out of it either. Iran, public trust, and the politics of “half measures” come up as examples of decisions that may be militarily effective yet politically costly. Finally, we bring it back to Texas as a newly competitive battleground, with big money, big economic projects, and nonstop narrative warfare headed into the next cycle. Subscribe for more, share this with a politically obsessed friend, and leave a review with your take: what actually flipped the map?
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Sleepless Election Night Reactions
SPEAKER_00Well, howdy, Ben. How'd you sleep?
SPEAKER_03Oh, not great. I fell asleep early on in the evening and woke up and to the shit show and uh went, oh fuck.
SPEAKER_00It was not a fun time. I I was not sleeping. I started paying attention at about 7 p.m. And every every 10 minutes or so there was more bad news. And then by about 10 p.m. it was pretty obvious that this was the blue wave that never happened for Hillary. Well, the it it's the whole country socialist now, they've they've all decided what do we do now?
SPEAKER_03Well, it's apocalyptic. Like I am shocked. Like Calerico, I thought, okay, maybe that's a toss-off. But then at the same time in my mind, I was thinking when you look at the polling for Abbott versus Gina Hinahosa, and you know, Abbott had a clear lead. And all the polling showed Abbott had a clear lead. And I believe in the the hearts of Texans, Abbott had a lead. Problem is people didn't show up. Same thing with Herrera. Herrera was winning in the polls.
SPEAKER_00That was shocking to me. That was absolutely shocking.
SPEAKER_03To a horrible candidate. Horrible candidate. All I can say is we get what we deserve, man.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's always the case. But it's I'm still trying to find the stats for turnouts in the election, which I haven't really gotten a good solid stance on right now. But I don't it'll be interesting to see whether we can write this off as purely
Texas Shock And Candidate Fallout
SPEAKER_00a very one-sided people showing up compared to previous years. What I'm siloning so you can hear me twice?
SPEAKER_03I can hear you now.
SPEAKER_00Okay. No, like go on robot. Luckily, we're using Yeah, okay, I get that. But luckily we're using Zencaster, and I don't think on my local recording it would be robot voice. You're on your phone, right?
SPEAKER_03No, I'm on my computer.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Oh, you are. Oh, okay. Well, either way, I I think the there's more data to dig through, and a lot of people will have opinions.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, a lot of them are already coming out. A lot of people are saying Trump, the Trump era is over, that everyone's gonna have to.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that you know the MAGA is dead thing became huge on X last night. Yeah, but I MAGA's dead. There's no MAGA. The only the only people left are the Nick Fuentes of the world who told everyone to vote Democrat. And they're they're the ones that are the bright hope of the Republican Party are people literally that told everyone to either stay home or vote Democrat.
SPEAKER_03I I I really truly hope we are not that fucked. But we'll see. But you know what? I was the it's I was thinking who the hell runs for president in 28.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03JD's young enough, he doesn't have to. And if I'm him, I don't want to take the poison pill. Rubio isn't gonna run because if he runs against JD and loses, then that's a poison pill for him. If he stays out and JD does run, JD could still potentially choose him as VP. Whoever runs could still potentially choose him as VP that would then make him a potential heir apparent. The only one who's really gotta run this next time around is DeSantis. And uh I don't think DeSantis is gonna go well.
SPEAKER_00I don't think people vote for DeSantis. I I like DeSantis.
SPEAKER_03Like he's a good administrator, but he's not a people person.
SPEAKER_00I think DeSantis would be much better as a VP.
SPEAKER_03The only other person I can think of would be Cruz. If he thinks he's gonna lose the Senate race next time around.
SPEAKER_00I don't, yeah. I mean, that's the only way I think Cruz runs right now is if he thinks he's gonna lose the race.
SPEAKER_03But then you're giving Democrats another Senate seat, you know.
SPEAKER_00Which, yeah, which I think did we lose Marco Rubio's seat, or did that stay Republican?
SPEAKER_03I haven't looked at that specific one.
SPEAKER_00I don't even know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I don't I I think that was an appointment for the remainder of the term, so I don't think it was uh Okay. I could be wrong.
SPEAKER_00All right. Well, the the six years of having this this frankly, you know, so-called Christian, really pagan uh senator in Texas representing us is just I I don't know, man. This is crazy.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. It it's shocking. The only thing I can think that maybe, maybe, maybe, and as long as the Texas house
Recording Gremlins And Tech Fixes
SPEAKER_03uh doesn't just uh get flipped as well or something crazy, you know, maybe there's some you know the weakness of our governor in the state of Texas may be a good thing, right? So the there's possibility there, but we'll have to see.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I'm no I'm not a fan of uh what's his face of the current well our current guy. Yeah. Uh but I I think he fucked up during COVID. I think he fucked up a number of times, but then there were also positive things these that he did, like standing up to Biden with the whole river crossing.
SPEAKER_03Although to be clear, he doesn't stand up to anybody.
SPEAKER_00Well, he did better than most other characters.
SPEAKER_03He's in a wheelchair team. I'm making a joke.
SPEAKER_00I know, I know, but I'm I'm saying standing metaphorically, not literally. I mean, a guy that's in a wheelchair can stand up to somebody while being seated. I mean, a lazy person can do that while seated as well.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, no, he's an imperfect candidate for sure. Same as Paxton. I get that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he and he honestly he should have been not on the ballot, and we should have had somebody else to come in on the Republican side.
SPEAKER_03Who? Paxton or Abbott?
SPEAKER_00Brandon Herrera.
SPEAKER_03For Senate?
SPEAKER_00For governor.
SPEAKER_03Well, I mean, he didn't win his district down there, so and he has no political experience.
SPEAKER_00But to be fair, that district, that district, uh, I think that we all kind of drank the Kool-Aid on that one, man. Because that district is predominantly populated by Mexicans, not Americans.
SPEAKER_03Yes. But it has had for a few years.
SPEAKER_00I can't hear you right now.
SPEAKER_03It has had for a few years.
SPEAKER_00You sound like you're five feet away from the mic all of a sudden.
SPEAKER_03Uh it should be using my headset.
SPEAKER_00You're what?
SPEAKER_03Is it not using my headset?
SPEAKER_00You are or not?
SPEAKER_03It should be.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Yeah, it's supposedly using my headset. So I don't know, Gene.
SPEAKER_00Really? Because it sounded like you just stepped about 10 feet away from the mic.
SPEAKER_03And when I go into call settings and look at what mic Zencaster says it's using, it's my headset. Uh-huh. So regardless, uh, I won't move. I don't see how Herrera in any other position would have made any difference. I I don't get that.
SPEAKER_00Okay, you got super quiet again. I wonder if the headset's doing something.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. I haven't moved.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, that's what I mean. If you're not moving but it's getting quieter, then it's not a movement issue. It sounds like movement, but it could just be the headsets for whatever reason is turning down your volume. But go ahead. Repeat what you just said.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's all that AI noise canceling stuff. I just don't see how Herrera running for governor would have changed anything other than you know a more sure loss of the state. Well, I know.
SPEAKER_00I I I just kind of threw that in there as a you know a wild idea, but Brandon's now run twice in that district. He came, you know, very close. Well, no, I guess he ran once, but he came close to defeating the Republican candidate last time. And uh guess does that mean he would have been defeated last election? I don't know. I I'm still very curious to see if people who voted Republican in the past voted Democrat this time. What is the reason? Is this just purely a I don't like Trump anymore kind of vote? Trump didn't actually, you know, trip Trump is friends with Epstein. Is this the problem?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, is it the Epstein files? Is it the Iranian War?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Because there's the the people that voted Democrat last election probably also voted Democrat this election. There was nothing for them to change votes on. But I'm curious as to the numbers, which I haven't found yet, of the turnouts for Republicans. Maybe that's all it is, is just no Republicans actually want to vote. Everybody say don't. That could be it. Well, but that doesn't make sense because you it was busy, it was fucking busy in the polling locations.
SPEAKER_03That and then Gen Z coming in now, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, and that's the other issue, is that and we do have some of those stats that those were shown on a few shows last night, that the Gen Z females vote exclusively Democrat, and the Gen Z males are split about 50-50.
SPEAKER_01Sounds about right.
SPEAKER_00About three-quarters of the Gen Z vote goes to Democrats. And it's it the Democrats hit on the points specifically that target Gen Z, which are you can't buy a house, everything's expensive, gas never went down, it's still expensive. Inflation is crazy high.
SPEAKER_03Actually, the inflation number. This is what people don't understand.
SPEAKER_00No one gives a shit about the number when you actually know how much you're spending your right.
SPEAKER_03But here's the thing Biden, you were never gonna get back the inflation that happened during Biden. You're just gonna slow the race.
SPEAKER_00You're explaining this logically. I'm repeating the talking points the Democrats used, which totally vibe with the millennials or the Zoomers, rather. Is that Trump came in promising cheaper stuff? Nothing actually is cheaper. He's telling you the economy's great. You can't buy as much today as you did four years ago. And on top of it, you can't.
SPEAKER_03But he did get the price of eggs down. So there you go. You got the price of eggs down. Eggs.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I can't. Oh, price of eggs. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're gonna have to like enunciate with the mic doing what it's doing right now to make sure we can hear you.
SPEAKER_03Well, I have no idea what it's doing, um but okay.
SPEAKER_00It it's it's just you dropping your volume. Like you say a word and it's nice and loud. I don't know. Maybe it'll get balanced out. So if you guys listening to if you're listening to this and you don't hear any quieter passages from Ben, then that's good because that that got fixed in post. But I think that what I'm hearing is you start talking for a couple of words.
SPEAKER_03What I think the issue is is Zencaster, because it's not just me that you've been having trouble with. You've been having it on unrelenting as well.
SPEAKER_00So totally different issue, though. Okay. I'm not having any volume issues on the other show.
SPEAKER_03No, just dropping out.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, that but that that's that's fixed now. That hasn't happened for last few recordings. Anyway. And that was a motu issue.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, what was going on with your moto?
SPEAKER_00Anyway. So I unplugged the motu from if if if it matters. I unplugged the motu from USB, and that issue seems to have gone away.
SPEAKER_03What are you using it on?
SPEAKER_00Uh the motu is not plugged into USB at all anymore.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so it has network moto. Oh, you've got it running over the network.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Okay. And that that seemed to have fixed the issue. So it could be a bad USB cable, frankly. I don't know. It's the same cable it's been on forever, because it's the only one I have that's purple color. And that's always been the multi-one. So who knows?
Who Leads The GOP In 2028
SPEAKER_00Anyway, back to back to politics. So the the one I wouldn't call it a silver lining, the one area where I have a little bit of hope is that this isn't simply a blue wave because people are in sync with socialist democrats more now, but more this is the increase in volatility between each election. So, we what we had last time. Well, we had two years ago, uh, it wasn't that long ago, I remember this, was the exact opposite. We had a red wave. We had all the states which people were worried about whether they're gonna go to Trump or not. Pretty much all of them except for one, I think, went to Trump. And the same thing with local votes for local offices that the people had. It was enough of a red wave that a lot of people were talking about, you know what? We will never have the Democrats in control again because people realize this is the way forward. And you know, after Biden's four years of fucking things up, finally the people voted that against it. They don't want the Democrat policies, blah de blah de blah. This election, just two years later, is literally the exact opposite. There hasn't been a Democrat sweep like this since Nixon.
SPEAKER_03I don't think there's ever been a midterm sweep like this when you consider governors and other state positions.
SPEAKER_00Well, I'm just repeating what CNN said. This last time this happened was the after Nixon.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00So I don't know, maybe maybe that's not correct, but that's what they were saying on TV yesterday.
SPEAKER_03Well, uh, what what people have to consider though is we've got two pretty good Supreme Court justices that are getting up there and about ready to retire. And you know, it's it's not in two years that you can fix the Senate numbers. It's gonna take at least four years to fix the Senate numbers, yeah, if not long. Yes. So how long can Alito and Thomas hang on?
SPEAKER_00I know people were saying that yesterday.
SPEAKER_03Well, and then okay, then if you don't win in 28, can they hang on a minimum of six years?
SPEAKER_00No. No, I I I think that's not realistic.
SPEAKER_03So, you know, they're both in their 70s.
SPEAKER_00So and dude, it's it's not gonna matter in two years if the Democrats end up with a president. They everybody has said they will expand the Supreme Court. It's they're gonna bring in two additional Democrats, and that'll be it for the Supreme Court for the next 25 years. It's goodbye to all our gun rights and all the other rights that we cherish.
SPEAKER_03Well, at that point, you gotta decide what you're gonna do.
SPEAKER_00Um, it'd be nice if people decided what they're gonna do ahead of time before it gets to that, like during this election, for example.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, again, you can vote your way into communism, but generally you can't vote your way out.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. And the idea that we that we in Texas, who I mean, certainly damn near everybody I know, not that maybe the average person walking around Austin, but everybody I know in Texas didn't vote for the the the gay candidate. Telefrico. So yeah, telefrico, exactly. And so and I don't think the population of the cities has necessarily gotten a whole lot bigger in two years either. I really am curious to see what happened here. I mean, uh across the the rest of the country, if you look at the map of who voted, which like which states flipped and what area, like Colorado now has zero Republican senators or Congress groups.
SPEAKER_03Well, that's part of the redistrict.
SPEAKER_00And that's not Massachusetts in Massachusetts, you kind of expect that, right? That's not a surprise. Colorado? Colorado was a Republican state 20 years ago.
SPEAKER_03But they gerrymandered the hell out of it, too, though.
SPEAKER_00Well, they're doing it well. What can I say? From the the perspective of a general gerrymandering efficiency, they've done a bang of job. Yeah, and if you because they've managed to have no conservative voice at all in Congress.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and if you look at Louisiana, Louisiana picked up a Republican Congress seat from the gerrymander there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Wow. Okay.
Turnout, Gen Z, And Prices
SPEAKER_00Well, that may be the only one.
SPEAKER_03Um there was some horse trading, but no, largely. Largely this was just a sweep. And Alaska, man, what they pulled in Alaska, and that candidate's MIA now.
SPEAKER_00Like and literally Well, you saw what they did in the last case.
SPEAKER_03DMJ has to stop what's going on in Alaska. Yeah, they ran a spoiler candidate with the same fucking name. Yeah. And he got a note. That candidate has over a thousand votes. And the guy, the real candidate, is down by like 48 votes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a great strategy. Frankly, Republicans ought to be doing it in their state, too. It's not illegal.
SPEAKER_03It depends on if your purpose was to defraud.
SPEAKER_00Well, your purpose was to win. And this is again, I've said this for a long time. The the goals that the Democrats and Republicans have are different. And within each of those, you know, Republicans and Democrats, there's obviously leftist Republicans, and then there's conservative Democrats who are not liking a lot of things that like Bill Maher, for example, is on the right side of the Democrats, but he's still calling himself Democrat. So these are tents that have varying groups inside of them. But if you look at the Democrats, the one thing that they have in common is that they have had for a long time simply the goal of victory. And so they don't they don't care what kind of negatives a candidate has. They really don't. They'll run somebody who is pro-abortion and they'll run somebody who is a Muslim and will behead you for having an abortion.
SPEAKER_03They'll run both of them. Well, or in the case of Elsa, but they're looking at the pro-trans and the development.
SPEAKER_00So did you see him last night after winning? No. Yeah, you should watch some of his he did a speech last night. Basically, the first thing he said in that speech is his full name with Muhammad and Hussein in there. You know, they all have like ten name names. And he said, you know, in in all my interviews leading up to the election, I've always said, Inshallah. And today I can finally start saying Alhamdulillah. Which uh the difference because he no longer needs if God willing to be there. Because God was willing, and God is a going to make America a Muslim country. And that's the thing that again, we've talked about differences in the way Americans look at things and the way that immigrants look at things. So when I think the last conversation relating to this was you you hire one person from another country, I don't care. Russian, Indian, whatever, Pakistani. You hire that guy, and his focus is now on bringing more people of his background into that company. Until eventually you get to a point with companies like PepsiCo or Microsoft, which are C the CEOs in Indian. And it just happens to be that the Indians were focused on IT and non-IT companies, you know, maybe it would be a different thing. But either way, just about every immigrant group, and I can't think of one that doesn't do this, has a preference for people just like them. And they will help move whatever they can, whether it's a business or political agenda or candidates like in Minnesota or Michigan, towards that goal of having their people there. The other thing, it's not just based on ethnicity, because for Muslims, it's also based on Islam, which I keep telling people is not a fucking religion. Islam is an ideology that includes a religion, it includes a state religion in it, but it itself is not a religion. It is a complete ideology and way of life that includes politics, religion, business, and everything else. And courts. Like Islam doesn't need American courts, it doesn't need the Supreme Court, it has Sharia courts. And everybody can pretend it's not happening, but the reality is anywhere you have a large Muslim population, people that are Muslims don't use the American legal system. Because that's not the way they've been taught. This is not the legal system of God. God tells you what he wants, and what he wants is Sharia law. And so they effectively create these exclaves and bring the culture in. And then when they have kids here and their kids run for office and get elected because they look just like the people that are living in that exclave, all of sudden you've got candidates in well, I forgot his name again. The new guy in Wisconsin. Yeah. Like him or Mandami in New York. You've got these very American-sounding Muslims that get all of the Muslim vote because the people voting for them aren't voting for Democrats. They're not even voting for that person as an individual because they agree with their policy. They're voting because it's their way to promote their religion. This would be equivalent to having somebody say, I will only vote for a Christian candidate. You don't have a whole lot. I'm sure you have, you probably find one or two, right? There's always exceptions of people that say, Yeah, I don't, I really don't like his politics. But they could just as easily say, because they're too liberal, I want my Muslim to be more conservative than this Muslim running for office.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and used to be, you know, Christians wouldn't vote for Catholics. It was Protestants only and everything else, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03There's large. In fact, you could in at the founding of this country, you couldn't be anything other than a Protestant and hold office.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. For quite a while. Yeah. And that kind of that came to us because a number of the colonies actually had bans of Catholicism. Yes. And that you know, they didn't have a state religion in the colony. They they had a a ban on the religions that they don't want in the colony.
SPEAKER_03Well, and a ban on who could uh hold office. Right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, hold office, vote, you know, important things. But it it's and that's the way that it still works for these groups. That's the way it works for the Muslims coming from all these countries. And incidentally, I you know, I can name a Muslim that I think would vote against quite a few Muslims. Is God what's his name? The he's the fit and fresh guy. You know what I'm talking about? No. I'll tell you in a sec here. Myron Gaines. I didn't know he was a Muslim. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's Sudanese. He was born in the US, I believe. He was a he was in he was in the Department of Defense, or I believe. Or maybe he was, I don't know. But anyway, he had a government job. He is generally he's pretty damn conservative across the board. He's the guy that's probably the most popular for being a quote-unquote misogynist, you know, talking down to women or telling women what their actual value is. But I think enough people have seen him, and he is one of the guys that's definitely willing to say the things that most people are just thinking.
SPEAKER_03But he's still a Muslim. Let me ask you this. You know the drowning rat experiment? Yeah. Where if you just let a rat drown, it uh goes, let's say, an hour. But if right before it's about to drown, you pick it up, put it on a float of some kind, and give it a hope, it'll go way longer.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think you have to do that several times. I think if you if you keep saving it a number of times right before it drowns, then the last time that you don't pick it up, it's just gonna wait for you to save it. Right.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it tries. Well, uh maybe the Trump admin one and two was to to prevent the civil war. Because it gave enough hope. Trump what? The Trump admin one and two. Trump administration one and two. Oh, the administration, okay. Because it gave enough hope.
SPEAKER_00I think that's getting a little bit towards the cue conspiracy for me.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00I I think the Occam's razor is is a thing you gotta focus on here. Is like, what is the most simple explanation for what happened? And we're gonna find out once we get some more of the details in terms of how many people voted. And but like I said, the the things that were already coming out from exit polls is that what they found that that in a county, I can't remember which one, I think in Texas here, where Trump last election got like 90% of the Latino vote, which was hailed as you know, Trump break broke through and took those from Democrats. That this election, 38% of the people that voted for Trump voted for Democrats.
SPEAKER_03Well, what does this say about does this say about Trump versus Republicans in general?
SPEAKER_00Because Trump's on the ballot. You don't know. Yeah. We don't, and then was first words out of Trump's mouth. I don't know if you caught the the interview that he did last night pretty late with Politico, which was a pretty cool clip, actually. Politico's just sitting there, and you know, one of the main chicks on there says, Well, why don't we just call Trump and ask? Pulls out her phone, calls Trump, and uh he had somebody else answer the phone. I know. Oh, it's it was such a flex, dude. It's like, well, I'll just call Trump. You know, somebody answered, but then she said, This is you know, blah blah blah, whatever her name is from Politico, and they said, hang on one sec. And then Trump picked up the phone. And it's like, hey, how are you doing? Well, Miss President, you know, how are you doing tonight? Well, you know, I wasn't on the ballot. They had like first words out of his mouth were people didn't dislike me. Well, people like me.
SPEAKER_03Timpool has gone. Timpool has said, yes, you were, because
Epstein Questions And Iran Strategy
SPEAKER_03you went and said, act like I'm on the ballot. Yeah, but the fact of the matter is he's not, you know.
SPEAKER_00He's not on the ballot. But I I think this
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SPEAKER_00is there could be a lot of different explanations. So if if there was a drastic decrease in the number of Republicans voting that doesn't correspond with an increase in the number of Democrats voting, then it pr then we can pretty much say this was just lazy Republicans who thought we'd never need to worry about an election after the last one two years ago.
SPEAKER_03You know, the other thing I would say is if they've got anything in the Epstein files, it's time to use it.
SPEAKER_00There's yeah, I can't, I don't think there's anything in there. That that would have made it out a long time ago. I but I think the the the way that the Epstein files were treated was a huge negative for the whole government. Oh, I think that
(Cont.) Epstein Questions And Iran Strategy
SPEAKER_00is part of the having Pam Bandi at all in the administration was a huge negative for the administration. Having the the way that the treatment of the Iran happened, I think was poorly done. It was it was clearly showing indecisiveness. It started off with a we do a quick hit, and then you know that'll take care of everything, and then quickly turned into a well now we're gonna have to do more hits, and but we're still not gonna commit to anything. I think the US should have either completely stayed out or fully committed. And what we did was bounce back and forth to be able to do that. Fully committed because I think the naval blockade and fully committed is bring the I think the naval fully committed. I'm trying to define it.
SPEAKER_03Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00Is bring the same amount of American force as we did in Iraq.
SPEAKER_03Then that means troops on the ground.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. Yeah, that's can't win a war without troops on the ground. It's literally impossible.
SPEAKER_03Uh okay, disagree.
SPEAKER_00It's never happened in the history of man. You cannot win a war without troops.
SPEAKER_03Japan surrendered without being around.
SPEAKER_00No, you can rent troops, which is what we're doing in Ukraine in the Russo-American war that's been going on for four years. We're just using Ukrainian troops and volunteers from other countries, but those are still troops on the ground.
SPEAKER_03Still, Japan surrendered without any troops on the ground.
SPEAKER_00That's not, I wouldn't, I don't think that's a true statement, dude. Because we had Americans and Japanese fighting for two years. And if you mean, well, the the actual island of Japan, the main island, surrendered. We had troops in this all the surrounding islands, and we dropped a bomb on them.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we we had not yet gotten into the main Imperial Japanese area.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we didn't land on the the main island that we didn't go to Tokyo.
SPEAKER_01We were on even this the second island chain.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but they had captured how many islands that we took back.
SPEAKER_03Sure, but they still are they still were occupying Singapore at the time. They were still in Korea, they were still in China.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, then I think that just goes towards the intelligence of the Japanese because I don't think the Iranians would do the same thing. If we dropped a bomb right now on Tehran, I don't think Iran would surrender. Because the people that are making those decisions right now are religious fanatics that are not afraid of death. I mean, they they would prefer not to die, but if their guy sitting across the table from them dies, they're okay with that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So I think the strategy, it had it been explained, of we're gonna go in and you know, oil production is gonna slowly come back and we're gonna set the Iranians back, and this is what we're gonna do. And by the way, this is so we don't lose troops or end up having to just totally destroy the Iranian civilization. I don't know. I think the Iranian conflict has been military from a from a PR standpoint, it's trash. From a military standpoint of the winning, there's no doubt. Right? They have nothing. They have done very little damage to us at all.
SPEAKER_00Except that they just got a massive Democrat election. If you don't think there's people dancing in the streets in Iran right now, I'm sure. They won. They literally won.
SPEAKER_03I think that's a bit far to draw that conclusion that directly, but okay.
SPEAKER_00They lost a few people along the way, right? We killed some Iranians.
SPEAKER_03Uh uh quite a few, yes.
SPEAKER_00But they killed more Iranians than we did. Way more.
SPEAKER_03More Iranian civilians, sure.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So they did win. I mean, this is a victory for that. That Iran did not lose one bit of Iranian territory in this. And they just flipped an election in a different country. Well, we need to see the exit polling and see if it was, you know, yeah, and again, like we don't, first of all, we don't know which of these things is involved. So I'm just throwing darts at a dartboard right now and saying, you know, one of these will probably be the case. I don't know which one. The other thing is we also have the benefit of hindsight, which nobody has while these actions are happening. So you can't say, well, there the Trump administration made the wrong decisions here. In the hindsight, it appears that's the case. At the time, nobody knew. Nobody knows if they made the good decision or a bad decision. Or if yeah, I mean, I I said right off the get-go that Pam Bondi was definitely a bad decision for Trump. Said it as soon as he got elected. As soon as he put her in for confirmation. Like another frickin' blonde chick for a position she has no business being in. You know, she won a couple of cases for him in Florida. That does not qualify her to run that whole department. And Trump unfortunately likes his blonde, tall.
SPEAKER_03So if you look at millennials and zoomers, the millennials are 62% Democrat, 36% Republican, and then Zoomers are 73%, 25%. It doesn't hit 50-50 until you get over 65.
Voting Blocs And Party Fractures
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, it's 50-50 for men.
SPEAKER_03No. All age groups. Over 65. All sexes and groups over 65.
SPEAKER_00I know, that's why I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03If you exclude women who shouldn't be voting, well, to be clear, there shouldn't be any universal franchisement, but yes. There shouldn't be any women.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So it it's a I've and again, this is nothing new, and we've talked about it before, but if you look at the historical votes, and ever since women got the vote, there would have been zero Democrats elected if we exclude the female votes. It's not like men vote 99% Republican either. Men tend to vote somewhere around 60% Republican. But women tend to vote around 80% Democrat. And in some elections, like when Obama was running, women that had never voted Democrat, that have always voted Republican, have switched to voting for Obama because they wanted to be part of history and make that first black man president. And that's why women shouldn't vote. It's emotion-based, it's not logic-based. So that's the only reason Kennedy got in the middle.
SPEAKER_03So how you vote matters. People who called themselves Democrat were 35%. People who called themselves Republican were 32%. And independent was 33%. And only 2% of those who call themselves Democrat voted Republican. Independent was 58% Democrat, 38% Republican.
SPEAKER_01So it's Republicans not showing off. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So the Democrats gained seven seats in the House.
SPEAKER_03You mean the Senate?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, sorry, Senate in the Senate. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03They gained way more than that in the House.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I wish they only get the Yeah. That is No, and they're gonna so AOC's gonna impeach Trump. There's no doubt about that. Like we're in agreement on that, right?
SPEAKER_00100%. Now if AOC is leading the charge to impeach everybody, that's her in for being the presidential candidate.
SPEAKER_03Well, and how would this change the calculus if Trump did get impeached and was removed, and we got President Vance. And he got to tweak some of the policies and move some stuff around.
SPEAKER_00I'm very afraid of President Vance. Why? He I to me he seems like he's gonna capitulate to the Democrats on everything. Vance is, I think, more interested in his future than in staying on a particular than following through on Trump's direction. Vance is a politician. Vance thinks like all these guys. He wants to be the guy that makes, you know, that is perceived by history as a great leader. He's not gonna be doing things that are risky. He's he's risk averse, I guess that's the way I put it. And that's what we saw when he took over the whole Iran thing. That was that was a huge mess. He's gonna be risk-avered. He's gonna do what Obama did, except from a Republican standpoint.
SPEAKER_03I think there's a chance to bring the Democrats back out and show a way to moderate and not just go full woke identity politics.
SPEAKER_00Well, the problem is we have identity politics on the right now that's stronger than identity politics on the left. In what way? And what I mean by that is you got guys like like Fuentes that basically said, this is exactly going according to my plan. This is we everybody listened to me and they voted for Democrats because that we needed to get rid of the current Republicans, and then we're gonna focus on just putting in Catholics into office moving forward. Because it will like we're the only hope the Republicans have now, because they've seen MAGA's dead and everybody else is voting Democrat, and if they don't start putting in these, you know, Catholic white nationalist types, then there just will never be a Republican Party again. It's the death of the whole party otherwise. So either they either we lead it or it doesn't exist. That's I'm summarizing it, I'm not putting it into a good light. But that's essentially what he's saying.
SPEAKER_03And so they had a big uh event scheduled and not the majority of the country by any stretch of the imagination.
SPEAKER_00I don't know if they yeah, I don't know if it's today or later, but they had a huge event where it was like all the all these guys, so it was Fuentes, Alex Jones, Tucker's brother. All the people that got kicked out of their primaries that are sour grapes, Republicans, all of them were getting together for some big event that was like, you know, the the future of America is in Christ or something. Some kind of like religiously labeled event. But if you look at who all's gonna be there, it's all the all the American firsters that were anti-MAGA. It's all the people that were like MAGA needs to die.
SPEAKER_03Well, and again, what is meant by MAGA?
SPEAKER_00And they won. I mean, again, like it may not be their like you know, what is meant by MAGA? They may not be the ones responsible for this, but they got their wish. And uh watching Marjorie Taylor Green like smiling like Julia Roberts yesterday at what happened, saying, I told you guys this would happen. This is what happens when you don't listen to me, and you know, Trump was wrong, I was right.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh, has that not been uh finalized?
Texas Becomes A Real Battleground
SPEAKER_00Well, I uh Or is was he not up for election descent?
SPEAKER_03I think he was.
SPEAKER_00I thought he was. Why would they have him on the primary otherwise?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I was trying to see uh what his seat, which seat he was, because I I don't know enough about Kentucky to tell you.
SPEAKER_00But like losing Ohio, losing Texas, oh, and they get North Carolina.
SPEAKER_03They getting stomped in the governor's race in Ohio.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. I mean it it's it it was a well, it is a bloodbath. I think there was a a Republican Congress critter elected in Minnesota, which was nice to see that flipped from Democrat to Republican, because I think people out in the non-urban areas are sick and tired of.
SPEAKER_03So it looks like they held the Republican held their 54 to 40.
SPEAKER_00They did. Okay, well, that's good. So the guy that won the primary still won.
SPEAKER_03Correct.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But yeah, I mean, like, we expect all this shit from the the East Coast states and the Midwest state. Well, Midwest was always a toss-up. Well, you know, Iowa, Ohio, Missouri, we're tossing.
SPEAKER_03Well, and that's the thing, is in 2028, Texas is a toss-up state now.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. No, and and I think, you know, the other big problem with that is where do you think all the Democrat money is gonna go now?
SPEAKER_03Oh, absolutely, to Texas.
SPEAKER_00It's to make sure Texas stays blue. Like there will be more money spent on local Texas elections in two years than in the history of the state. Because the Democrats now know that if they can have Texas and California, the Republicans will never have a president.
SPEAKER_03Which, if I remind you, back before, you know, back it was We've had more democ we had more Democratic presidents in the 20th century than we had Republican, right? And part of that was because of the Blue Dog Democrats and the Southern Democrats.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_03Very much so.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, well, there's there's just a little bit of the South left that's voting conservative.
SPEAKER_03Well, hell, even Georgia. You know, Georgia outside of Atlanta is a very conservative state, but yeah, not by its politics now.
SPEAKER_00If you look at it, it's it's solidly blue.
SPEAKER_03I I gotta wonder, is this all migration? Is this distributing out from California and New York the liberals and it being enough to do it? You know, is it enough illegal immigration that has over the generations finally gotten kids that are 18? You know?
SPEAKER_00I think that's a part of it. I don't think that that's gonna be all of it. I I think uh just my gut feel. So I have nothing to back this up, but this is just gut feel. As I I feel like there's probably four or five components to this major loss. One is the Democrats, this is the Democrats responding to oh shit two years ago. This is Democrats realizing that the wave that happened two years ago that they were not prepared for, that they can't allow this to happen again. And they're gonna need to mobilize very strategically. They're gonna need to make sure that the the candidates that are being ignored by the Republicans because they think they have it locked in, are exactly the ones that Democrats focused on. That's part of it. That's not all of it. Second part is I think it's the inverse effect on the Republican side from seeing the huge red wave of two years ago. I think you're right. I think a lot of Republicans didn't bother going voting.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I think the third part of it is what I mentioned earlier that we find out that this time there were over half a million people in Texas who'd never voted in Texas before. So it's the immigration slash migration from other states voters.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, slash.
SPEAKER_00You know, it's like move to a red state, make it blue kind of stuff. Um, and then I think the fourth part of this, realistically, on the right, there were there's a contingent of the Alex Jones types who were pro-Republican, pro-Trump, and became very aggressive and anti-Trump in the last couple years. And I think that's a part of it as well. Because you can't be somebody that like listens to that message every day and then not let it affect you and still go out and vote Republican all the way across. I think the our current Republican candidates suck, they don't care about you messaging, has had an impact around the city.
SPEAKER_03I think it's had a demoralizing impact for sure, but uh again, I don't like Ken Paxton. I don't think much of Ken Paxton, but I voted for Ken Paxton, you know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I think pretty much everybody I voted for lost, because especially living here in Austin. Oh, yeah. Uh literally every every candidate I voted for was uh was a vote for a loser.
SPEAKER_03I haven't checked the tenth, which is my representation.
SPEAKER_00And I will also I noticed this time through too, looking at the map, the the blue area around Austin was wider than it had been in previous elections. Like more of the surrounding counties came in voting blue. So I think that just goes towards the population increase in Austin, where a lot of people are no longer in Travis County. They're actually starting to be the people that live in surrounding counties, but still very much vote the way that Austin.
SPEAKER_03My representative won. So yay. Oh, well, you got yeah, I still have representation.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I think it's like a mix of those four, and maybe one or two others that I haven't thought of. I don't think it's any one thing we can just point a finger and say, yep, this is why. But it is a combination of things. And I hope, and let me let me get to the silver lining or the hope part. I hope that this does two things. I hope this is a motivator for Republicans in the same way that the last election two years ago was a motivator for Democrats.
Silver Linings And Better Candidates
SPEAKER_00That that the people that thought two years ago, oh, Democrats are done, they'll never win again. Now realize, okay, I don't know what the hell we were smoking, but that was some powerful shit. Because obviously that's not reality. Not only can Democrats win, it only took two years to completely flip everything.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, if they will actually reactalize, though.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Well, and then the the second thing is I that this will probably do. I think this will separate the people that are willing to be candidates from the hey, I I'm kind of conservative, and I think I can appeal to those people versus the people that actually genuinely are gonna see this as a sacrifice to go and become a candidate. Because they have to, because they have no choice other than to try and save the country. Because I think for a long time we've kind of had the candidate, the Republican candidates kind of like what Brandon's opponent was in the primaries. I forget the guy's name now.
SPEAKER_03Brandon's was uh check. It's like no, no, no.
SPEAKER_00His primary opponent was.
SPEAKER_03Oh, his primary opponent? Uh Tony Gonzalez.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. Tony Gizal. I think that's the kind of Republicans that we've had a lot of. Guys that are Republicans in terms of their where they are labeled, right, when it comes to party affiliation, but they vote for plenty of pork and Democrat programs. They side with Democrats quite a bit. They vote against guns, against protection of gun rights. They they vote generally against conservative principles, but they sit on the right side of the house. And that's getting rid of those people is a good thing. So that that's the silver lining part that I was getting to is okay, let's look at this not as a massive loss for conservatives, but as what did we what do we have now? What what position are we currently in? And we did lose quite a few Republicans that were middle of the road or Republicans.
SPEAKER_03These are people that's not a bad thing. We've gotten rid of some of the cruft.
SPEAKER_00We're gonna have to suffer through either two or up to six years of dealing with that, but we cleared out people that were getting re-elected and not acting in the benefit of the voters that got them elected. And this like this is where I would put the guy that Paxton replaced on the ballot. Oh, Cornyn. I'm yeah, I haven't taken my fucking vitamin D. I need to do that.
SPEAKER_03Well, and yeah, I think Paxton wasn't the greatest replacement.
SPEAKER_00Getting rid of Corny was good. Getting rid of our governor was good. There's a number of there's a number of things that came out of this that are objectively good. The price for doing that, though, is two, four, or six years of having a Democratic.
SPEAKER_03It's more than that, though, because it's potentially Supreme Court changing. Um I haven't looked at the latest, but the Texas Supreme Court seats that were up were going blue as well. You know, it's does the Texas legislature go blue? What, you know, uh hopefully, because our Texas legislature elections are not, you know, in line the same, that those don't turn out the same, but we'll see.
SPEAKER_00That's because we got the railroad commission running Texas politics.
SPEAKER_03Yes. And but I uh have you seen who the railroad commissioner is?
SPEAKER_00No, I didn't.
SPEAKER_03I haven't gone through all the data. This just happened yesterday and I've been traveling.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But I mean, this there should there could be a lot of really big systemic things change.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So this the first time since 1990 that that democrats got a seat, yeah. Got they got 12.4% victories here, that were a margin of victory by 12.4 percent. In every election previous, it was the Republicans that won. And like the 2000 election by 32 percent, 2014 election by 27 percent, and this is the first time in since 90, so almost 30 years, that we have a Democrat win by 12.4%.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, first Democrat to win railroad commissioner since 1990.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, and Jimmy Carter won Texas in 1976.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00That was the last time a Democrat won Texas for president.
SPEAKER_03No, I thought Clinton took Texas.
SPEAKER_00Texas? I don't think so. Yeah, it's uh it says this. This is the guardian. So that was freaking you know, 50 years ago. So, and obviously the Democrats, now that they got this, they got a taste of blood, they're gonna do everything they can to ensure that Texas goes votes blue for president in two years. I mean, that I I think for people that are make money off politics, including like the restaurants in Austin, there's gonna be a lot of money spent here, man. The tips are gonna
Musk, Data Centers, And Backlash
SPEAKER_00be big.
SPEAKER_03Oh, the the because the the This is such a coup for the Democrats. Yeah, the the consultancy class uh for the Democrats is gonna be huge.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god. They're like they'll they're all gonna be, you know, moving into penthouses here.
SPEAKER_03But you know, that's my problem and my concern is what does this mean for my kids and their future?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and the other thing that I don't know. I mean, this is again just repeating what I saw the the pundits talking about yesterday, is what this means for data centers. They're they're they're laying part of the blame on this that is that Trump appears like, and of course, taints all the Republican candidates as somebody who cares about data centers and donors more than they do about the residents of the communities. And the so the the anticipation here is that a lot of these data center deals, including Musks, are gonna get halted. And basically used administrative tactics to cancel them effectively.
SPEAKER_03You will tank the economy.
SPEAKER_00They don't care about the economy. There have literally been people calling for the execution of Elon Musk now. A trial and execution of what? There have been people that are calling for a 95% tax on Musk specifically because of the harm that he's done to the country. I honestly made a prediction yesterday.
SPEAKER_03Is he going to Archibis or Salvador?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, right. So I made a prediction. I I bet that SpaceX leaves Texas in the next two years. I think SpaceX is gonna move to Florida.
SPEAKER_03Uh there they're already. And all the jobs, all the stuff that's happened.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think they're gonna they're already moving to Florida right now. I think they're gonna end up just having everything in Florida. Why? So I think I think there's a a big loss there for Texas. You know, uh technically, I think Tesla is still headquartered in California. Though I could be wrong. But if they're they're certainly not gonna build any more Tesla facilities in Texas.
SPEAKER_03Why? Why do you think that?
SPEAKER_00Because it's a Democrat state, and the Democrats are going after Musk. Why would he build shit that could get confiscated? The looters are out to get him, man.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. I keep thinking there's there has to be some rationality here. But, you know, if if the thought is the Democrats are just gonna go 110% in on Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know, the Democrat Party is definitely controlled by the Socialist Democrats.
SPEAKER_03Well, is that true though? I I don't know that we've seen that.
SPEAKER_00It is yeah, we've seen that based on the leaderships, we've seen that based on the people that are running the strategy for them. These are social democrats. The people that got Mundami elected, the people that just flipped Texas, these are all social democrats.
SPEAKER_03Well, then do they try to be able to do that? Who's the guy?
SPEAKER_00Used to be on Alex Jones. I don't know his first name. Something Troyer Troyer. You know what I'm talking about? Used to be on Alex Jones. Yeah. So watched a little clip of him yesterday. He didn't seem happy, which is at least good because a lot of these guys were happy at the loss because it proved them right and they don't care about the country. But he was predicting, and you know, he was always a little bit out there, but he was basically predicting that America looks like France within the next year.
SPEAKER_01So the start of the civilization.
SPEAKER_00We're gonna have major writing across the country, and it's all gonna get blamed on Trump, and they're gonna have they're gonna do the same playbook, basically. He said the color revolution has started already. Oh, that's we're gonna end up seeing America looking like France.
SPEAKER_03Glenn Beck had said that this was a start of a color revolution.
SPEAKER_00I can't hear that.
SPEAKER_03That's what Glenn Beck said as well, that this was the start of a color revolution.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think that that is probably a common theme across a number of people right now. Because and Glenn Beck, I watched him for a little bit yesterday. He definitely was also very shocked.
SPEAKER_03I don't think anyone thought Abbott was in play based off of the polling.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like we figured, okay, maybe Paxton, maybe we lose a senator, but you know Brandon Herrera was polling way ahead. Like Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The fact that this was just a straight narrow mouth loss.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Well, like I said, especially living here in Austin, I thought it's pretty like literally nobody that I voted for won.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, it's it's depressing. I don't know if we're at this stage of of getting to France here, but I think the tactics will be utilized. They're gonna, you know, they're gonna do the same thing they did in France, which is call everything a youth protest because of a lack of resources and a lack of jobs. That's the way it's gonna get described in the media. But if you start zooming into the youths, you'll notice that they're all fairly dark and wearing Islamic traditional clothing.
SPEAKER_03I I don't think there's enough of I think there's
Unrest Fears And Long-Term Trends
SPEAKER_03a big difference between the immigrant population in Europe and the immigrant population here, especially in Texas.
SPEAKER_00I don't think there's enough of the the uh of Texas is the seven second highest concentration of Muslims in the country.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00There are over five hundred mosques here. Muslims have on the average three and a half kids.
SPEAKER_03I I still think it's defined to certain population centers. Right.
SPEAKER_00It is, but it again, we're not seeing protests in France in the farmland, are we? No. We're seeing them in Paris.
SPEAKER_03I think there's some outlying cities as well, but yes, largely Paris.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So I think we're going to start seeing protests in Dallas. I guess I think that is the highest concentration. Houston has quite a large concentration as well. I don't know what other cities. I mean, it's basically going to be Dallas and Houston. And this election was the first time that Fort Worth. That is it Harris County? Is that what it is? Or no? Harris County is Houston. What's the county there? Okay, what's Fort Worth? Do you remember?
SPEAKER_02Oh, geez.
SPEAKER_00Well, whatever it is. Like, it's the first time that that county went blue in like recorded history.
SPEAKER_03In recorded history, really.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And I I'm sure, you know, again, I'm just it's what I saw yesterday being talked about. So it may be slightly exaggerated, but nonetheless, only when Dallas was remembered that because I lived in Tarrant County. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. It's the edge of it. So yeah, it's it was a a very big and unexpected wave.
SPEAKER_03I like I I think we're all in shock. A lot of people will try and say, oh, we call would have called this. Again, I think that what we're seeing here in Texas is astonishing. And wouldn't have been backed by any of the polling. Now, I think when you look at Texas as a whole and how deep red the state still is across all the counties.
SPEAKER_00I'm looking at that map right now.
SPEAKER_03Dallas, Houston.
SPEAKER_0020 Republican seats, 14 Democrat seats.
SPEAKER_03Sure, but I'm talking by county. Right? When you're looking geographically.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_03Huge.
SPEAKER_00All right.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, I think there's still some hope left. But it's not what I want it to be. Damn it.
SPEAKER_00What? The the uh railroad commissioner's Jewish. Son of a bitch.
SPEAKER_03Jewish communist.
SPEAKER_00Get more blame on the Jews. Well, two fits. Two fits.
SPEAKER_03What?
SPEAKER_00Oh god. Two fits? What? Yeah. I said if the shoe fits, yeah. Uh this is unfortunate. Yeah, I think the best thing American Jews need to do is just not be public. Don't don't run for things. Don't organize things. Let shit settle. Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_03Well, we're very much in the fourth turning, and you know, it's gonna be interesting to see what it ends up being.
SPEAKER_00Well, if we have a war with Iran, we definitely will be.
SPEAKER_03There will not be a real war with Iran. Iran has nothing that can threaten us anymore. Doing ground troops over there, yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's literally what they said about Vietnam, dude.
SPEAKER_03Putting troops on the ground in Iran would be stupid.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. I don't know. I think they've been very dangerous for the last 40 years, and again, much like what happened with why America got its navy in the first place, gotta remember that Iran's first action under the current regime was a kidnapping of American civilians.
SPEAKER_03Sure. You're talking about the Iranian hostage situation under Carter.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I watched that on TV, man.
SPEAKER_03I was not yet born.
SPEAKER_00It was uh shocking. I know. That's what I'm saying. It was shocking watching that as a kid on TV. Because at the very least, everybody thought, well, you know, obviously America's gonna respond very aggressively and quickly. And we attempted a hostage rescue and it didn't work. And then we negotiated our way out of it by basically promising to not interfere in what they're doing and trading our hostages for that.
SPEAKER_03And that may have been a mistake. Yeah, well, let me just say this though. In technological terms, in the 1970s, Iran was a much closer peer power than they are today. Like from a technological standpoint, the United States does not have a peer power.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I agree. I agree. But it was a it was shortly after the revolution, which is usually the best time to strike back. And we just let it go and let them encroach themselves in there. Again, there like that revolution had the same pattern as a lot of other revolutions, which is the communists were utilized as the useful idiots and allowed to be the sacrifices, and then an authoritarian regime that may or may not have anything to do with the communists ends up getting ingrained and you know, hard to pull them back out. The communists, the true believing communists did the same thing in Russia, they did the same thing in Cuba. You know, like the people that actually thought that communism was going to bring an empowerment to the people, like it was gonna liberate the worker. These these are always useful idiots, the true believer types are the vanguard.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and once their usefulness is over, real yeah, and that's exactly.
SPEAKER_00And uh and it's gonna happen in the US if the US keeps going down the path it is, and and the vanguard of the useful idiots who actually believe in socialism is going to be utilized by some authoritarian group and then discarded when they have achieved what they wanted from them, which is a disruption of all opposition.
SPEAKER_03That's the communist playbook and has been. So I yes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it makes for a good scenario for a novel for you know stories too. Speaking of stories, so I started listening the new uh latest book on the uh Bobaverse.
SPEAKER_03Is it? I haven't seen that. Yeah, I think uh I've got some keys, so or some tokens.
Sci-Fi Detour And Quick Wrap
SPEAKER_03I'll go do that. Well, uh isn't any good.
SPEAKER_00You know, I started listening to the first chapter and fell asleep. So I yeah, it sounds just like the other books so far. They're you know, they're off on the new little mission or new little a couple of the bobs are flying to the center of the galaxy.
SPEAKER_03Oh, that's fun. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I I've I was there two months ago.
SPEAKER_03In which game?
SPEAKER_00In uh Elite Dangerous. It's it's a bit of a jaunt to get to the center of the galaxy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'd say so.
SPEAKER_03Man, the Dan Sullivan thing.
SPEAKER_00But it's very pretty, I will say. Sagittarius A is a very pretty location. I took a bunch of pose.
SPEAKER_03Large black hole is a pretty place, huh?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's it's an awesome huge black hole called Sagittarius A star. And it's a it it creates a beautiful halo around itself. You mean we can see on telescopes from here.
SPEAKER_03What you're talking about the accretion disk at the event horizon.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Like we can literally see it from here, but it's much prettier in the game because you're you're fairly close to it. I mean, far enough to not get sucked in, but close enough to it to see the entire uh accretion disk.
SPEAKER_03Uh the Baba verse, for those who haven't listened long enough, is a very funny series that I turned Gino into a while back. That was a very it's it's good sci-fi that's very irreverent humor.
SPEAKER_00It's like sarcastic and fairly hard sci-fi. There are definitely a few things you have to just kind of take as, you know, McGevin's and and just move on. But generally speaking, it's it's written very much from a standpoint of somebody with both the sense of humor, the intelligence, and even the the job that Ben and I share in common. So somebody that that's you know, a dude named Ben type and a sarcastic fucker and opinionated.
SPEAKER_03Which by the way, so very good to read.
SPEAKER_00I enjoyed the first four books quite a bit.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, the first four were great. Look forward to the fifth, and we'll have to see how this audio experiment did with trying to just use the headset versus the travel mic. And we also need to determine if some of the issues we've had in one home is Zencaster related or not.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, I'm I don't care. We can switch off with that. That's fine. Well, do we need to? I mean, this is kind of a special episode, so I don't know that we need to keep going. We've seem to have kind of parted out of the political stuff, but we did both feel like after what happened, much like after Charlie Kirk got executed, uh very much in the same frame of mind.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we we we started talking and said we need to report.
SPEAKER_00So yeah. Yeah. So all right. Well, we're gonna publish this. Hopefully, you guys enjoyed it. We'll be back on our normal schedule after this. You know, we're gonna publish it right now as we sign off. All right, thanks.
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